Lawsuit says police stood by for 13 minutes as her 30-year-old son drowned in the Tennessee River

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Does @dogcows claim to be a centrist?  I honestly don’t know.  The only other people I notice claiming to be centrists are @Hawkeye21 (he is) and @RaiderHaters Revenge (he isn’t).

I’ll let dogcows answer if he thinks the cops should have jumped in, but as I alluded to in my follow up, based on his other posts, his concern seemed to be more with saying the cops should have helped in general (and at least not prevented other people from helping), not necessarily saying the cops should have jumped in.

 

 

You’re not a centrist. You’re MAGA all the way. Right? 

[jerryskids 6,799]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Does @dogcows claim to be a centrist?  I honestly don’t know.  The only other people I notice claiming to be centrists are @Hawkeye21 (he is) and @RaiderHaters Revenge (he isn’t).

I’ll let dogcows answer if he thinks the cops should have jumped in, but as I alluded to in my follow up, based on his other posts, his concern seemed to be more with saying the cops should have helped in general (and at least not prevented other people from helping), not necessarily saying the cops should have jumped in.

 

 

Actually I think dogcows is one of the few who owns his leftism; squistion is another.  You claim you are centrist when your posting history clearly indicates that you aren't, that's my point to you.  Sean, gutter, and Rusty/pimp all claim to be somewhere on the center or even right of center scale, all jokes.

Dogcows already answered if he thinks the cops should have jumped in, I pointed out the posts, including the one below which was in my initial quote of him.  If he says otherwise he's a lying sack.  But I don't think he will, because he seems to have more self awareness than you do.

Also the first of the two comments from dogcows you quoted started with "won't lend a helping hand."  FFS, please just stop, your inability to see your error is incredible.  But your autism will prevent it and have you yip yipping away, so have at it, I'm going to bed in a few.   

[TimHauck 2,876]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Actually I think dogcows is one of the few who owns his leftism; squistion is another.  You claim you are centrist when your posting history clearly indicates that you aren't, that's my point to you.  Sean, gutter, and Rusty/pimp all claim to be somewhere on the center or even right of center scale, all jokes.

Dogcows already answered if he thinks the cops should have jumped in, I pointed out the posts, including the one below which was in my initial quote of him.  If he says otherwise he's a lying sack.  But I don't think he will, because he seems to have more self awareness than you do.

Also the first of the two comments from dogcows you quoted started with "won't lend a helping hand."  FFS, please just stop, your inability to see your error is incredible.  But your autism will prevent it and have you yip yipping away, so have at it, I'm going to bed in a few.   

Yeah, lend a helping hand, as in reach out without actually jumping in…

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah, lend a helping hand, as in reach out without actually jumping in…

HFS

[TimHauck 2,876]

Also @jerryskids, my opinion was I don’t fault the cops for not jumping in, but they should have allowed others to.  AKA, the centrist opinion.

[RogerDodger 798]

27 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Does @dogcows claim to be a centrist?  I honestly don’t know.  The only other people I notice claiming to be centrists are @Hawkeye21 (he is) and @RaiderHaters Revenge (he isn’t).

I’ll let dogcows answer if he thinks the cops should have jumped in, but as I alluded to in my follow up, based on his other posts, his concern seemed to be more with saying the cops should have helped in general (and at least not prevented other people from helping), not necessarily saying the cops should have jumped in.

 

 

You've got the mental function of a child.  Seriously dude holy chit.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Does @dogcows claim to be a centrist?  I honestly don’t know.  The only other people I notice claiming to be centrists are @Hawkeye21 (he is) and @RaiderHaters Revenge (he isn’t).

I’ll let dogcows answer if he thinks the cops should have jumped in, but as I alluded to in my follow up, based on his other posts, his concern seemed to be more with saying the cops should have helped in general (and at least not prevented other people from helping), not necessarily saying the cops should have jumped in.

 

 

I am a focking centrist. Ffs I voted for Clinton gore Kerry Obama Romney trump trump

my stances are

Pro limited universal health care (left)

pro limited abortion (up to 15ish weeks) left

pro 2a (right)

pro free speech (right)

pro gay marriage (left)

anti war (used to be left now it’s alt right)

anti corporation and pharma (used to be left now it’s alt right)

anti union (right I guess??) I’ve been in one union and fock that racket

pro small Govt (libertarian)

pro do whatever you want date who you want cut off your junk if you are an adult (libertarian)

pro law enforcement (right)

against over regulations (libertarian)

anti taxation (Ron Paulian)

so I’m about 50/50 on topics and willing to discuss anything. But that alone it makes be a centrist so once again go get your booster or STFU

as far as anyone else that is closest to my beliefs in this forum is @Hawkeye and he will attest to it. But because I wasn’t for forcing everyone to get a useless jab you ignore everything else 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

pro free speech (right)

anti war (used to be left now it’s alt right)

anti corporation and pharma (used to be left now it’s alt right)

 

These all used to be hard left liberal views.  Times have changed since the left has moved more totalitarian.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

28 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I am a focking centrist. Ffs I voted for Clinton gore Kerry Obama Romney trump trump

my stances are

Pro limited universal health care (left)

pro limited abortion (up to 15ish weeks) left

pro 2a (right)

pro free speech (right)

pro gay marriage (left)

anti war (used to be left now it’s alt right)

anti corporation and pharma (used to be left now it’s alt right)

anti union (right I guess??) I’ve been in one union and fock that racket

pro small Govt (libertarian)

pro do whatever you want date who you want cut off your junk if you are an adult (libertarian)

pro law enforcement (right)

against over regulations (libertarian)

anti taxation (Ron Paulian)

so I’m about 50/50 on topics and willing to discuss anything. But that alone it makes be a centrist so once again go get your booster or STFU

as far as anyone else that is closest to my beliefs in this forum is @Hawkeye and he will attest to it. But because I wasn’t for forcing everyone to get a useless jab you ignore everything else 

You’re a right winger. “Pro limited universal healthcare”? Wtf even is that? It’s an oxymoron. “Pro limited abortion up to 15 weeks”—that was a right wing position up until about a year ago when extremism finally won out

[Strike 5,547]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Also @jerryskids, my opinion was I don’t fault the cops for not jumping in, but they should have allowed others to.  AKA, the centrist opinion.

Cops don't usually let civilians jump right in to the middle of an active investigation, for good reason.  It's like some of you people are incapable of seeing the issue from the cops POV.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

You’re a right winger. “Pro limited universal healthcare”? Wtf even is that? It’s an oxymoron. “Pro limited abortion up to 15 weeks”—that was a right wing position up until about a year ago when extremism finally won out

Nope Clinton Obama. Safe legal and rare. Not up til time of birth  I’m still not against abortion so how is that right wing  sounds like you know I’m kind of in the middle (centrist) on that one 

it means people should have basic care at the very least. But that govt shouldn’t control all the medical industry private companies should exist 

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2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

You’re a right winger. “Pro limited universal healthcare”? Wtf even is that? It’s an oxymoron. “Pro limited abortion up to 15 weeks”—that was a right wing position up until about a year ago when extremism finally won out

 

 

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Terry Shiiavo, please interrupt 

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2 hours ago, Strike said:

Cops don't usually let civilians jump right in to the middle of an active investigation, for good reason.  It's like some of you people are incapable of seeing the issue from the cops POV.

 

A couple of "telltale" signs of an activist radical leftist

1) The complete and total lack of any kind of basic boundaries

2) If you imagine them in charge, for example let's say Mayor of a large city, then the only outcome is misery, suffering, collapse and death. 

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10 hours ago, TimHauck said:

He said “that’s what a real man does,” he didn’t say the police “should have” done that.  
 

Edit: and like most of the other responses, he seemed most concerned with the prevention of other people trying to save the guy.  But go ahead and focus on one random link.

Wow you are annoying.   Jfc.  

[listen2me 23 1,873]

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Also @jerryskids, my opinion was I don’t fault the cops for not jumping in, but they should have allowed others to.  AKA, the centrist opinion.

Wow you are incredibly ignorant.   You need a metal helmet.  

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

15 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Not my area of law but I believe there is no duty to rescue, generally, but if rescue is undertaken there is a duty to do so with reasonable competence under the circumstances.  Also, if a rescue is apparently being undertaken such that others who might rescue therefore refrain, the attempted rescue or apparent rescue should not be abandoned.  You don't get to deter others from undertaking the rescue.  The officers here had no duty to rescue, but they may have a duty not to deter others from the attempt.

 

13 hours ago, thegeneral said:

This part of the article is where the body cam will be interesting in terms of the lawsuit:

One person, an employee of a nearby establishment, allegedly “pleaded” with one officer to use a tow strap to rescue Clabo, according to the lawsuit, but the officer said that it wasn’t safe because he might drown the employee as well. The employee persisted, according to the lawsuit, telling officers that he could get keys to a gate underneath the establishment “where flotation devices or even a small boat were stored, to throw one or more to Mika or at least try to reach him.”

“No, he’s got to cooperate and that’s not going to happen,” replied an officer.”

Agree with all of this...it will be interesting to see how the actual chain of events moved in the case of the person trying to plead for them to use a tow rope. But in the action to personally not jump in the cop was not in the wrong- he seemingly did what he is requested to do in that respect.

If someone was truly offering up "all cops are bad" opinions- they are being dumb in this case (and really every case). But equally dumb is saying that throwing a tow strap or life saver into the water is "organizing an A Team to deploy MacGyver equipment."

[TimHauck 2,876]

7 hours ago, Strike said:

Cops don't usually let civilians jump right in to the middle of an active investigation, for good reason.  It's like some of you people are incapable of seeing the issue from the cops POV.

If I’m the cop, unless I had just witnessed the guy kill someone, I would rather he be alive than deal with the paperwork of someone dying on my watch.  I probably wouldn’t jump in, but I’d like to think I would have tried to hand him something to grab onto and wouldn’t have prevented others from trying to help.  Trying to help someone that’s drowning isn’t “jumping into an active investigation.”  The cops would be free to continue their investigation once he was pulled out.

@Engorgeous George seems to agree with the opinion that they probably shouldn’t have prevented others from trying to help. And since at least one of the civilians was apparently from a nearby business, they may have been more familiar with the water in the area and thus more comfortable with attempting to help.  George are you a lawyer?

 

16 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Not my area of law but I believe there is no duty to rescue, generally, but if rescue is undertaken there is a duty to do so with reasonable competence under the circumstances.  Also, if a rescue is apparently being undertaken such that others who might rescue therefore refrain, the attempted rescue or apparent rescue should not be abandoned.  You don't get to deter others from undertaking the rescue.  The officers here had no duty to rescue, but they may have a duty not to deter others from the attempt.

 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

If I’m the cop, unless I had just witnessed the guy kill someone, I would rather he be alive than deal with the paperwork of someone dying on my watch.  I probably wouldn’t jump in, but I’d like to think I would have tried to hand him something to grab onto and wouldn’t have prevented others from trying to help.  Trying to help someone that’s drowning isn’t “jumping into an active investigation.”  The cops would be free to continue their investigation once he was pulled out.

@Engorgeous George seems to agree with the opinion that they probably shouldn’t have prevented others from trying to help. And since at least one of the civilians was apparently from a nearby business, they may have been more familiar with the water in the area and thus more comfortable with attempting to help.  George are you a lawyer?

Retired from practice.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

If I’m the cop, unless I had just witnessed the guy kill someone, I would rather he be alive than deal with the paperwork of someone dying on my watch.  I probably wouldn’t jump in, but I’d like to think I would have tried to hand him something to grab onto and wouldn’t have prevented others from trying to help.  Trying to help someone that’s drowning isn’t “jumping into an active investigation.”  The cops would be free to continue their investigation once he was pulled out.

@Engorgeous George seems to agree with the opinion that they probably shouldn’t have prevented others from trying to help. And since at least one of the civilians was apparently from a nearby business, they may have been more familiar with the water in the area and thus more comfortable with attempting to help.  George are you a lawyer?

 

 

IQ Test Question.  Read slow, think it through, you got this. 

Article says, "Cop stood around 13 minutes, did nothing". 

Poster DC says, "A real man would have jumped in to save him". 

Who is Poster DC referring to?

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

Wow you are incredibly ignorant.   You need a metal helmet.  

[seafoam1 3,025]

The same dumbass liberals who don't want police, now expect police to save their dumbass criminal drug addled lives or else get sued massively. 

 

[TimHauck 2,876]

9 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I am a focking centrist. Ffs I voted for Clinton gore Kerry Obama Romney trump trump

my stances are

Pro limited universal health care (left)

pro limited abortion (up to 15ish weeks) left

pro 2a (right)

pro free speech (right)

pro gay marriage (left)

anti war (used to be left now it’s alt right)

anti corporation and pharma (used to be left now it’s alt right)

anti union (right I guess??) I’ve been in one union and fock that racket

pro small Govt (libertarian)

pro do whatever you want date who you want cut off your junk if you are an adult (libertarian)

pro law enforcement (right)

against over regulations (libertarian)

anti taxation (Ron Paulian)

so I’m about 50/50 on topics and willing to discuss anything. But that alone it makes be a centrist so once again go get your booster or STFU

as far as anyone else that is closest to my beliefs in this forum is @Hawkeye and he will attest to it. But because I wasn’t for forcing everyone to get a useless jab you ignore everything else 

Not because you weren’t for forcing everyone to get it (I wasn’t either), because you continue to deny the mountains of evidence that it was effective at reducing deaths.  Centrists don’t do that.

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44 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

If I’m the cop, unless I had just witnessed the guy kill someone, I would rather he be alive than deal with the paperwork of someone dying on my watch.  I probably wouldn’t jump in, but I’d like to think I would have tried to hand him something to grab onto and wouldn’t have prevented others from trying to help.  Trying to help someone that’s drowning isn’t “jumping into an active investigation.”  The cops would be free to continue their investigation once he was pulled out.

@Engorgeous George seems to agree with the opinion that they probably shouldn’t have prevented others from trying to help. And since at least one of the civilians was apparently from a nearby business, they may have been more familiar with the water in the area and thus more comfortable with attempting to help.  George are you a lawyer?

 

 

Certain professions rely on everyone on the team following protocol/procedure/policy.  This is especially true in law enforcement/military.  If you don't know what the next guy is doing it puts everyone's safety at risk.  On the surface this seems like an innocuous situation where letting an "innocent" bystander intervene won't have any adverse effects, but you don't know that.  By locking the situation down you create a situation that is under control with mostly known variables.  Letting other random people insert themselves in to that situation changes that significantly.  Cops are taught to get control of the situation and not relinquish it, for everyone's benefit/safety.  You may not agree with that policy but it is the way they work.  If you don't agree with it I suggest you get off your a$$ and join a police department so you can try to implement changes to that policy/mindset from within.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Not because you weren’t for forcing everyone to get it (I wasn’t either), because you continue to deny the mountains of evidence that it was effective at reducing deaths.  Centrists don’t do that.

Centrists don’t have to agree with everything. The fact that I agree with some things right and some things left is what makes me a centrist. Just cause you get told everything to believe and follow it in lock step doesn’t mean everyone has too 

I’ve always always always said. Make that decision for yourself. I don’t think the vaccine did sh1t you’re right. So what. What does that change. That’s a single issue. 

you and a lot of people like you defend everything right or everything left from top to bottom. I don’t

Another thing I don’t do is go from thread to thread and bring in stuff that is completely irrelevant to a discussion yet here we are 

it’s sad how much you need my attention 

[Cloaca du jour 2,150]

TL:dr

Dude was 30 and cant swim????

And he jumped in a river to avoid cops.?

Seems like the problem solved itself.

Mommy still lookin out for him????  Get him swimmin lessons lol.

[thegeneral 3,214]

18 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

The same dumbass liberals who don't want police, now expect police to save their dumbass criminal drug addled lives or else get sued massively. 

I want police and respect cops.

They also should get extra scrutiny and should understand it’s part of the job. I think most cops would accept this.

In this instance I could see a scenario where these cops are in the wrong. Could also see it being a shet situation and they were reacting and trying to keep people safe. We’ll see where the lawsuit goes.

[TimHauck 2,876]

8 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Centrists don’t have to agree with everything. The fact that I agree with some things right and some things left is what makes me a centrist. Just cause you get told everything to believe and follow it in lock step doesn’t mean everyone has too 

I’ve always always always said. Make that decision for yourself. I don’t think the vaccine did sh1t you’re right. So what. What does that change. That’s a single issue. 

you and a lot of people like you defend everything right or everything left from top to bottom. I don’t

Another thing I don’t do is go from thread to thread and bring in stuff that is completely irrelevant to a discussion yet here we are 

it’s sad how much you need my attention 

I didn’t bring your specific beliefs up.  All I said was you claim to be a centrist but you’re not, which was after jerry started whining about me saying I’m a centrist.

[TimHauck 2,876]

10 minutes ago, Strike said:

Certain professions rely on everyone on the team following protocol/procedure/policy.  This is especially true in law enforcement/military.  If you don't know what the next guy is doing it puts everyone's safety at risk.  On the surface this seems like an innocuous situation where letting an "innocent" bystander intervene won't have any adverse effects, but you don't know that.  By locking the situation down you create a situation that is under control with mostly known variables.  Letting other random people insert themselves in to that situation changes that significantly.  Cops are taught to get control of the situation and not relinquish it, for everyone's benefit/safety.  You may not agree with that policy but it is the way they work.  If you don't agree with it I suggest you get off your a$$ and join a police department so you can try to implement changes to that policy/mindset from within.

I’m not sure “refusing to allow civilians to help someone that’s dying” is a “protocol” though.  Heck look at the article dogcows posted…the cops commended the kid for what he did, they could have easily said something like “while he made a heroic effort, it was extremely dangerous to do so” or whatever.    If what you’re saying is true then wouldn’t that also apply to civilians rendering aid at the scene of car accidents, or people trying to break up fights, or any number of other situations?  

And clearly the cops didn’t have the situation “locked down” in this scenario…

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Not because you weren’t for forcing everyone to get it (I wasn’t either), because you continue to deny the mountains of evidence that it was effective at reducing deaths.  Centrists don’t do that.

Raiders also seems to have every MAGA line of defense of certain things. Perhaps it is just a coincidence. 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Not because you weren’t for forcing everyone to get it (I wasn’t either), because you continue to deny the mountains of evidence that it was effective at reducing deaths.  Centrists don’t do that.

You are so full of yourself.   

 

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I didn’t bring your specific beliefs up.  All I said was you claim to be a centrist but you’re not, which was after jerry started whining about me saying I’m a centrist.

You're not a centrist.  Now quit hijacking the thread you goofball.  

[Strike 5,547]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I’m not sure “refusing to allow civilians to help someone that’s dying” is a “protocol” though.  Heck look at the article dogcows posted…the cops commended the kid for what he did, they could have easily said something like “while he made a heroic effort, it was extremely dangerous to do so” or whatever.    If what you’re saying is true then wouldn’t that also apply to civilians rendering aid at the scene of car accidents, or people trying to break up fights, or any number of other situations?  

And clearly the cops didn’t have the situation “locked down” in this scenario…

I don't read anything Dogsh*t posts unless it's quoted and I can't easily avoid it.  He/She is on ignore.   Not sure what you're suggesting regarding your scenarios.  I haven't heard of a fight happening, where police were present, and the cops didn't do anything to stop it but they let civilians do something.  When cops are called to a fight it's usually to put an end to it.  So I think you're just making up scenarios that don't exist. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I didn’t bring your specific beliefs up.  All I said was you claim to be a centrist but you’re not, which was after jerry started whining about me saying I’m a centrist.

Again how can you say I’m not a centrist and you base it on your stupid vaccine when you don’t address everything else I believe in. 
 

I’ve never seen you support anything right wing. But you say you’re a centrist now?  Why?

[TimHauck 2,876]

19 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't read anything Dogsh*t posts unless it's quoted and I can't easily avoid it.  He/She is on ignore.   Not sure what you're suggesting regarding your scenarios.  I haven't heard of a fight happening, where police were present, and the cops didn't do anything to stop it but they let civilians do something.  When cops are called to a fight it's usually to put an end to it.  So I think you're just making up scenarios that don't exist. 

How about the car accident scenario?

Here’s a Good Samaritan and a police officer helping a car accident victim.

https://www.ems1.com/ems-products/cpr-resuscitation/articles/good-samaritan-officer-help-revive-woman-in-crash-GI8hik2D4n31aMlE/
 

 

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20 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't read anything Dogsh*t posts unless it's quoted and I can't easily avoid it.  He/She is on ignore.   Not sure what you're suggesting regarding your scenarios.  I haven't heard of a fight happening, where police were present, and the cops didn't do anything to stop it but they let civilians do something.  When cops are called to a fight it's usually to put an end to it.  So I think you're just making up scenarios that don't exist. 

All kinds of chit exists solely in Hauck's brain.  It's the only way he can make sense of things.

[TimHauck 2,876]

9 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Again how can you say I’m not a centrist and you base it on your stupid vaccine when you don’t address everything else I believe in. 
 

I’ve never seen you support anything right wing. But you say you’re a centrist now?  Why?

I’ve voted the same as you in the last 4 presidential elections.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

If the “talk” that black parents give their kids included staying out of the water if you can’t swim, many lives could be saved. 

[Strike 5,547]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

How about the car accident scenario?

Here’s a Good Samaritan and a police officer helping a car accident victim.

https://www.ems1.com/ems-products/cpr-resuscitation/articles/good-samaritan-officer-help-revive-woman-in-crash-GI8hik2D4n31aMlE/
 

 

Was that an active criminal investigation?   Do you REALLY not see the distinction between the two situations?

[Strike 5,547]

8 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

All kinds of chit exists solely in Hauck's brain.  It's the only way he can make sense of things.

If Tim Hauck was a cop and assigned to this incident, with the dude drowning in the water, he'd be like "I'll jump in and save you but only if you show me your Covid vaccination card first." 

[TimHauck 2,876]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Was that an active criminal investigation?   Do you REALLY not see the distinction between the two situations?

The story in the OP wasn’t an “active criminal investigation” either.  They were asking a guy in his underwear what he was doing.