Why is there so much anti-gay hatred? Woman shot and killed for having a rainbow flag in her store.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Keep your eyes closed, whatever.

If one group of people is at a disadvantage, then other groups are at an advantage compared to them.

Where do you come up with this tripe?

Just because one group may have it hard doesn't mean any other group has it easier.   What f'n pretzel logic did you have to use to come up with that statement?  That's one of the dumbest - and INCORRECT - statements I have ever heard. 

[League Champion 1,896]

5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

one group of people is at a disadvantage, then other groups are at an advantage compared to them.

Excuses. 

Do you think my situation was perfect? Please stop making excuses for people. Your situation is what you make it. 

[BuckSwope 654]

3 hours ago, HellToupee said:

I feel most of the trans problems out there stem from non trans people pushing a trans agenda. If they left kids out of it things in the public forum would be a lot better 

This is part of it, but also SM amplifies the hell out of this issue as well. Do you think that is part of the issue?

 

 

[Cdub100 3,825]

17 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Come on man , this reads like BS. Snopes got nothing?

It's disproven because it's actually worse than the stats indicate. 

[seafoam1 2,799]

14 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Talk about ugly and oblivious. You’re one of the  biggest trolls here and there’s a lot of competition for that title. 

You are so self unaware. It's mind boggling.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

I spent time disproving the interpretation of the data and it was all for naught as it was just repeated again. Not going down that road a second time and then seeing in a few months, that same false figure claim once again. 

Wait...aren't you the same guy who DEMANDS that everyone provide YOU links to your post on the other forum where you seriously believed the Rainbow Mob didn't have any Civil Rights protections at all? Like ZERO?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

Links from people who were there and saw it with their own eyes when Ivan K had to put you down like lame mule?  From people in here who can corroborate the story?

And now you don't want to provide links? 

[jerryskids 6,557]

15 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Bullsh!t. Hypersensitivity my a$$. 

@Voltairedescribed it quite eloquently, but you are the guy who blames right wing hate on a gay guy losing his shiot and going at another guy at a gas station.

8 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Well, before it was just people who were victims. Now it's "GAY PEOPLE ARE VICTIMS!!!"  "BLACK PEOPLE ARE VICTIMS!!" "WOMEN ARE VICTIMS!!"

Why does the left think they are saviors of minorities or certain other groups? Answer: Because liberals just align themselves with whatever groups they personally think are the most pitiful and weak and announce that conservatives are out to get them and that they, the liberals. are their knights in shining armor. 

This is a pretty good way of looking at liberals.  I'll add that they need to keep these groups down, because if they become successful, they become conservatives.

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Yup, in other words, “white privilege” is a real thing

No, "black disadvantage" is a real thing.  And self-made.  Every other ethnicity, including Asian/Hispanic/European, benefits relatively from it.

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

He did offer proof actually.

Strike wrong again, are you gonna actually admit it this time?

He offered it, but it wasn't very good.  I thought you only liked solid data?

Quote

This isn’t the first time the FBI has published 2021 hate crime statistics. The agency initially released a report in December, but because of a recent change in how the federal government collects crime data, nearly 40% of police agencies did not participate.

Facing harsh criticism from experts, and from both Democratic and Republican lawmakers, the FBI went back to police departments that didn’t report data and asked them to use the old system to report hate crimes. Nearly 5,000 more agencies, including in New York City and most of California, submitted data for the updated report.

“The updated report still raises a lot of questions about the overall credibility of the FBI’s hate crime statistics,” said Steven Freeman, director of legal affairs at the Anti-Defamation League. Nevertheless, he said it undoubtedly offers “a more complete picture” of what some communities face.

...

While hate crimes against Black people went up by a much smaller percentage than some other groups, it remains the largest category by far, making up nearly one-third of reported incidents. In recent polling, more than half of Black respondents said they fear becoming the victim of a hate crime.

On this last point, does it seem reasonable for 1/2 of all black people to fear something that happens to a fraction of a percent of people?  Or are they maybe, I dunno, spun up to think it is worse than it really is?  

[TimHauck 2,602]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

1)  I didn't want to discuss this data at all.  YOU brought it up.

2)  I don't dispute that the trend may be increasing.  I dispute the notion that it's because America is suddenly deciding to target the alphabet people.  I suspect that over the last decade or so things that wouldn't have been classified as "hate crimes" previously now are.  Because EVERYTHING nowadays seems to be a hate crime.

3)  As to specific trends within the last year or two, I would attribute that to the general lawless attitude that has become prevalent, especially in lib run cities.   When you choose not to hold people accountable, you tend to see people pushing the limits more.

If you didn’t want to discuss the data, then why did you whine about RealTim using anecdotes in 6 different posts?

As to your 2nd and 3rd points, those would be overall trends regarding hate crimes or crimes in general.  It doesn’t explain why crimes against LGBTQ people are increasing at a faster rate than all but 1 other group.

[HellToupee 1,583]

46 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

This is part of it, but also SM amplifies the hell out of this issue as well. Do you think that is part of the issue?

 

 

Absolutely 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,919]

The stats are bad.  Real bad. And believe me, much, much more either get shitcanned or not reported. Fact. 

[TimHauck 2,602]

55 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Where do you come up with this tripe?

Just because one group may have it hard doesn't mean any other group has it easier.   What f'n pretzel logic did you have to use to come up with that statement?  That's one of the dumbest - and INCORRECT - statements I have ever heard. 

Actually that’s exactly what it means.  It’s common sense, not pretzel logic. Jesus you guys are dumb.  

I guess we’re making progress though with multiple people here acknowledging blacks are at a disadvantage.  And if blacks are at a disadvantage, then whites (and yes, other races) are at an advantage over blacks.  To think otherwise would be like the pretzel logic of thinking the Covid vaccines are killing more people than they saved but not putting any of the blame on Trump.

[seafoam1 2,799]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Actually that’s exactly what it means.  It’s common sense, not pretzel logic. Jesus you guys are dumb.  

I guess we’re making progress though with multiple people here acknowledging blacks are at a disadvantage.  And if blacks are at a disadvantage, then whites (and yes, other races) are at an advantage over blacks.  To think otherwise would be like the pretzel logic of thinking the Covid vaccines are killing more people than they saved but not putting any of the blame on Trump.

Who? Name them. Or else go away and cry. 

And after you cry, why do you think blacks are at a disadvantage at whatever random shlt you are talking about.

[TimHauck 2,602]

2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Who? Name them. Or else go away and cry. 

And after you cry, why do you think blacks are at a disadvantage at whatever random shlt you are talking about.

@Mike Hunt and @jerryskids, and @EternalShinyAndChrome said they “may” be

 

[League Champion 1,896]

She was a Mother of 9? I wonder if she changed the gender of any of her kids? That's not a joke. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/california-store-owner-mother-nine-shot-killed-pride-flag-displayed-sh-rcna100849

[seafoam1 2,799]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@Mike Hunt and @jerryskids, and @EternalShinyAndChrome said they “may” be

 

Ok. So you are just naming people. Got it. 

All I was asking you was why are blacks at a disadvantage? Is it that hard?

[BuckSwope 654]

11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Actually that’s exactly what it means.  It’s common sense, not pretzel logic. Jesus you guys are dumb.  

I guess we’re making progress though with multiple people here acknowledging blacks are at a disadvantage.  And if blacks are at a disadvantage, then whites (and yes, other races) are at an advantage over blacks.  To think otherwise would be like the pretzel logic of thinking the Covid vaccines are killing more people than they saved but not putting any of the blame on Trump.

  Never thought of it that way.  

[League Champion 1,896]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@Mike Hunt and @jerryskids, and @EternalShinyAndChrome said they “may” be

 

Saying "Black People are at a disadvantage" is quite frankly, insulting. Do you think that blacks are the only ones to struggle? 

So how exactly are blacks different? 

[seafoam1 2,799]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Ok. So you are just naming people. Got it. 

All I was asking you was why are blacks at a disadvantage? Is it that hard?

Simple question. How are blacks "disadvantaged"? Any of you liberal nut jobs got anything?

[seafoam1 2,799]

1 minute ago, League Champion said:

Saying "Black People are at a disadvantage" is quite frankly, insulting. Do you think that blacks are the only ones to struggle? 

So how exactly are blacks different? 

Because liberals think they are stupid and can't take care of themselves. 

[League Champion 1,896]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Simple question. How are blacks "disadvantaged"? Any of you liberal nut jobs got anything?

They don't even know what the hell they're talking about. By saying "Blacks", they are implying that all blacks are at a disadvantage, not true at all. That's insulting to every black person who has worked their asses off, just like WHITE PEOPLE. 

AND IF YOU THINK THAT SOME WHITE PEOPLE AREN'T AT A DISADVANTAGE, THEN LETS GO FOR A RIDE. ILL TAKE YOU TO RURAL SC WHERE THESE FOLKS HAVE NOTHING, AND I MEAN NOTHING. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,919]

21 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Actually that’s exactly what it means.  It’s common sense, not pretzel logic. Jesus you guys are dumb.  

I guess we’re making progress though with multiple people here acknowledging blacks are at a disadvantage.  And if blacks are at a disadvantage, then whites (and yes, other races) are at an advantage over blacks.  To think otherwise would be like the pretzel logic of thinking the Covid vaccines are killing more people than they saved but not putting any of the blame on Trump.

Trump isn’t a biologist. I failed to see how he could be to blame when he listened to the science like all you were screeching for him to do. 

[League Champion 1,896]

23 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

and yes, other races) are at an advantage over blacks

That is insulting and very racist. 

Do you think Blacks can't be successful without the white man??? What are you saying, because I know a lot of very successful Gullah, Geechie and Blacks here in SC. You won't hear them complaining, but here you are. A white man telling me how it is?? WTF IS THAT??? 

You may need to Google Gullah & Geechee, because I know you have no idea what I'm talking about. It's a black thing. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

32 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Actually that’s exactly what it means.  It’s common sense, not pretzel logic. Jesus you guys are dumb.  

I guess we’re making progress though with multiple people here acknowledging blacks are at a disadvantage.  And if blacks are at a disadvantage, then whites (and yes, other races) are at an advantage over blacks.  To think otherwise would be like the pretzel logic of thinking the Covid vaccines are killing more people than they saved but not putting any of the blame on Trump.

It's not common sense, you moron.  It's f'n pretzel logic.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

33 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@Mike Hunt and @jerryskids, and @EternalShinyAndChrome said they “may” be

I never said that.  That was YOU creating strawmen.  I simply said that the pretzel logic of "X group is disadvantaged so that means Y group is advantaged" is simply that - pretzel logic.  Both groups X AND Y could also both be disadvantaged or they both could also be advantaged.  THAT is common sense logic, not the liberal shiat logic you're trying to push off on everyone.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 hour ago, kilroy69 said:

Absolutely. Live and let live. Get them help. 

It's a shame you don't have the balls to answer my question.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

It's a shame you don't have the balls to answer my question.

No, you can't go to Pedo Island anymore.  Satisfied your question was finally answered?

[Ultra Max Power 214]

The suspect (whom is dead) is yet to be identified two days later.   We know what that code means.  

[League Champion 1,896]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No, you can't go to Pedo Island anymore.  Satisfied your question was finally answered?

Don't worry about GUTTERBOY, he's a racist to 

[League Champion 1,896]

Just now, Ultra Max Power said:

The suspect (whom is dead) is yet to be identified two days later.   We know what that code means.  

It's definitely going to be an African American, then what? They are just praying to God that it's  some Redneck Conservative. 

It's what Liberals live for. 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

3 minutes ago, League Champion said:

It's definitely going to be an African American, then what? They are just praying to God that it's  some Redneck Conservative. 

It's what Liberals live for. 

Homophobia is more prevalent in minority communities. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

20 hours ago, Strike said:

He has his marching orders and he's gonna follow them, no matter how hypocritical he looks.

Has his marching orders?

you nobody’s take your politics way too seriously 

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

23 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

Homophobia is more prevalent in minority communities. 

Based on this thread it seems to be prevalent everywhere. 
I really don’t care if this murderer was white or black, Christian or Muslim or Jewish. I want the anti-gay stuff to stop. 

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Simple question. How are blacks "disadvantaged"? Any of you liberal nut jobs got anything?

It’s a simple question because only a simple person would ask it. 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Based on this thread it seems to be prevalent everywhere. 
I really don’t care if this murderer was white or black, Christian or Muslim or Jewish. I want the anti-gay stuff to stop. 

Violence comes in all shapes, sizes and colors.  The root problem is culture rot. 

[crackattack 520]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Based on this thread it seems to be prevalent everywhere. 
I really don’t care if this murderer was white or black, Christian or Muslim or Jewish. I want the anti-gay stuff to stop. 

Then why are you constantly blaming rhetoric from conservatives? Minority groups typically are overwhelming liberal. If you truly just want it to stop, then I would suggest stop casting blame on one segment of the population. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

I would argue that a large issue is peoples incessant need to let others know their stances. 
Why can’t you be pro lbgtqabcdefg without flying a flag? Why can’t you be a republican or democrat with a trump or Biden bumper sticker? Why do you need political signs on your lawns? 
 

If you want to proudly display your maga hat in your house, that’s cool. The lock of your kids hair that Joe sniffed at a rally displayed proudly on your mantle? Also cool. 
 

im not defending violence against any group of people but let’s be honest, there are many people that can’t live without letting others know their beliefs and they get very annoying about it. 

[crackattack 520]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

I would argue that a large part of the problem is peoples incessant need to let others know their stances. 
Why can’t you be pro lbgtqabcdefg without flying a flag? Why can’t you be a republican or democrat with a trump or Biden bumper sticker? Why do you need political signs on your lawns? 
 

If you want to proudly display your maga hat in your house, that’s cool. The lock of your kids hair that Joe sniffed at a rally displayed proudly on your mantle? Also cool. 
 

im not defending violence against any group of people but let’s be honest, there are many people that can’t live without letting others know their beliefs and they get very annoying about it. 

Because in the age of social media, everyone believes their opinions matter. We need to go back to the days where people kept their opinions on politics and religion to themselves. I think society would benefit greatly if we went back to that.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,919]

50 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Don't worry about GUTTERBOY, he's a racist to 

You mean too. Or as well. 

[TimHauck 2,602]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

No, "black disadvantage" is a real thing.  And self-made.  Every other ethnicity, including Asian/Hispanic/European, benefits relatively from it.

He offered it, but it wasn't very good.  I thought you only liked solid data?

On this last point, does it seem reasonable for 1/2 of all black people to fear something that happens to a fraction of a percent of people?  Or are they maybe, I dunno, spun up to think it is worse than it really is?  

By “self-made,” you mean some black people are making it harder for other black people that they may have nothing in common with other than the color of their skin?  Yes, there’s some of that, but there’s also racism that has been passed down among families.   Yes, fortunately most of the true “systemic racism” in the form of government policies racist against blacks no longer exists, but it wasn’t that long ago that it did, so many of the people that instituted those policies could still be racist themselves and then taught their kids to be racist, intentionally or not.  Just look at the open racism from several (albeit fortunately not the majority) on this board.   So there’s probably still a bit of tossing resumes in the trash if their name is Jamal and that sort of thing going on.

There’s also subconscious racism.  I’ll give an example that relates to your last point.  It’s likely harder for blacks to make friends with strangers of other races for example. One thing that I know has been talked about in here is walking down the street, many people may put their guard up a bit if they pass a black person, afraid they might get mugged.  Does it seem reasonable to fear something that happens to a small % of people (sure, albeit higher than a “fraction”)?

The data is from the FBI, and again, that guy complaining about it is implying the numbers should be higher, so this is a weird flex from you and Strike.  And again, even if the total numbers may not be exact, there would still be consistency when comparing the % change in the different groups.