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7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok. But this one is political as you all are saying.  So let’s nit here any complaints about politically motivated prosecutions in the future. Mmmmkay? 

Nah, Trump has 4,095 lawsuits over the past three decades. Some of which are still open. I have a strong hunch he's been found guilty of fraud in NY because he IS a fraud and always has been. How about we DON'T have any politically motivated prosecutions in the future. Or better, let's at least not hope for them on either side.

Let's quit muddying up this thread. There's plenty of specific Trump threads. This is supposed to be about the war in Israel.

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4 minutes ago, Rabbit Range said:

Nah, Trump has 4,095 lawsuits over the past three decades. Some of which are still open. I have a strong hunch he's been found guilty of fraud in NY because he IS a fraud and always has been. How about we DON'T have any politically motivated prosecutions in the future. Or better, let's at least not hope for them on either side.

Let's quit muddying up this thread. There's plenty of specific Trump threads. This is supposed to be about the war in Israel.

Oh, so you’re of the belief this isn’t politically motivated? And stop acting like this is a “lawsuit”.  This is the state bringing charges, not civilians suing each other. Bit of a difference.  So don’t be complaining about the can of worms that’s been opened. This along with the two bullshit impeachments. You think anything is justified when it comes to Trump because he’s literally Hitler. In your head. 

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2 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

I’m railing against two politicians from both parties who are speaking publicly about taking away American liberties and right to privacy.  And I’m the communist?

JFC :doh:

There is no American liberty related to hate speech, and there is no right to be an anon troll in the Constitution.  Try again.

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1 minute ago, McBonokon said:

There is no American liberty related to hate speech, and there is no right to be an anon troll in the Constitution.  Try again.

Wow.  

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8 minutes ago, McBonokon said:

There is no American liberty related to hate speech, and there is no right to be an anon troll in the Constitution.  Try again.

:o I see dead people!

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46 minutes ago, McBonokon said:

There is no American liberty related to hate speech, and there is no right to be an anon troll in the Constitution.  Try again.

The government mandating private tech companies to “hand over” personal data of ALL citizens doesn’t even raise an eyebrow?  Civil liberties, right to privacy concerns?  

I don’t think you listened to the two ladies speech's of what they want.  

ETA: Also define “hate speech”.  Because in 2023 it’s probably considered hate speech if one don’t use somebody’s preferred pronouns.  We’re 10 years away from that being an arrestable offense.  

 

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2 hours ago, League Champion said:

 

We need to have a new federal law and it should be absolute: anyone who protests in front of a private home should be arrested. Period. I don’t care if it’s Joe Biden or Brett Kavanaugh or whoever. Protesting at a private home should be completely illegal. 

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13 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

The government mandating private tech companies to “hand over” personal data of ALL citizens doesn’t even raise an eyebrow?  Civil liberties, right to privacy concerns?  

I don’t think you listened to the two ladies speech's of what they want.  

ETA: Also define “hate speech”.  Because in 2023 it’s probably considered hate speech if one don’t use somebody’s preferred pronouns.  We’re 10 years away from that being an arrestable offense.  

 

I’m not in favor of it. I would vote against any such restriction. Also I suspect the SC wouldn’t allow it. 
 

My comments toward you weren’t about the specific issue, but about your use of the word “uniparty”. I compared you to a Communist in terms of your antipathy to big banks, big tech, etc. 

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Hundreds of thousands of Jewish people marched in DC today. Not mostly, peaceful, completely peaceful.  No vandalism, no flags burned, no calls for genocide. Unlike the Fockin animals that were there last week in defense of the desert Nazis. 

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45 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

The government mandating private tech companies to “hand over” personal data of ALL citizens doesn’t even raise an eyebrow?  Civil liberties, right to privacy concerns?  

I don’t think you listened to the two ladies speech's of what they want.  

ETA: Also define “hate speech”.  Because in 2023 it’s probably considered hate speech if one don’t use somebody’s preferred pronouns.  We’re 10 years away from that being an arrestable offense.  

 

I listened and there was no mention of the government mandating private tech companies to “hand over” personal data of ALL citizens.

The first women is talking about monitoring social media for hate crimes.  The second is about using your real name only on social media to reduce bots and disinformation, and also hate speech.  Both are good.

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14 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So it is political.  Thanks for being honest. 

I'm not going to state that unequivocally. But same goes with the opposite. 

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12 hours ago, McBonokon said:

I listened and there was no mention of the government mandating private tech companies to “hand over” personal data of ALL citizens.

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, McBonokon said:

I listened and there was no mention of the government mandating private tech companies to “hand over” personal data of ALL citizens.

 

 

 

 

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Back to Israel: 

Below is my latest Pod I'm pimping from the FP -- this time it is a Sam Harris pod that Bari Weiss just played in entirety.  Her description:

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For today’s episode, we’re thrilled to share the most recent episode of our friend Sam Harris’s podcast, Making Sense

Moral confusion is plaguing this moment like never before. It’s everywhere: from college campuses to congress. Sam, better than almost anyone, is able to speak to that confusion, with facts, nuance and moral clarity. Importantly, he doesn’t just visit this topic with the narrow lens of this particular war between Hamas and Israel, but with a bird’s eye view of history. But according to Sam, it’s not the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that matters so much right now, but rather the history—and enduring global problem—of jihadism. And that’s what this episode is about.

The episode, aptly titled, The Bright Line Between Good and Evil, is sobering, illuminating and well worth your time. Please listen.

https://www.thefp.com/p/sam-harris-the-bright-line-between-8c9

I disagree with Sam often:  for instance, his TDS is legendary and worse than anyone on this board.  Not this time though.  This is a great 60 minutes which encapsulates the fundamental problem we are facing:  a movement (jihadism) foundationally supported by a religion and its teaching (Islam, Koran, chronicles of Muhammed).  He addresses topics like moral equivalence, assigning western rationale to jihadist thinking, and negotiating with a belief system which wants nothing but death to infidels.

One example:  think of the heinous child abuse atrocities performed by some Catholic priests, and the justifiable outrage we as a society react with.  Now imagine that the Bible and Catholic doctrine specifically call for such child abuse; how would our culture react?  Yet, that is jihadism within Islam.

I highly, highly recommend this, especially to folks like @The Real timschochet, @GutterBoy, and anyone else struggling with the moral equivalency on this topic.

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3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Back to Israel: 

Below is my latest Pod I'm pimping from the FP -- this time it is a Sam Harris pod that Bari Weiss just played in entirety.  Her description:

https://www.thefp.com/p/sam-harris-the-bright-line-between-8c9

I disagree with Sam often:  for instance, his TDS is legendary and worse than anyone on this board.  Not this time though.  This is a great 60 minutes which encapsulates the fundamental problem we are facing:  a movement (jihadism) foundationally supported by a religion and its teaching (Islam, Koran, chronicles of Muhammed).  He addresses topics like moral equivalence, assigning western rationale to jihadist thinking, and negotiating with a belief system which wants nothing but death to infidels.

One example:  think of the heinous child abuse atrocities performed by some Catholic priests, and the justifiable outrage we as a society react with.  Now imagine that the Bible and Catholic doctrine specifically call for such child abuse; how would our culture react?  Yet, that is jihadism within Islam.

I highly, highly recommend this, especially to folks like @The Real timschochet, @GutterBoy, and anyone else struggling with the moral equivalency on this topic.

Thanks. I generally like Sam Harris (not so much Bari Weiss) and I will listen when I have a chance. 
 

But I don’t struggle with moral equivalency. When I see something wrong I call it out. 

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4 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Releasing the 200+ Israeli hostages would be a major move in coming to a cease fire. 

:dunno:

Has there been any recent proof that they're actually still alive? 

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thanks. I generally like Sam Harris (not so much Bari Weiss) and I will listen when I have a chance. 
 

But I don’t struggle with moral equivalency. When I see something wrong I call it out. 

Except Roman Polanski.  Then you defend pedophilia.

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thanks. I generally like Sam Harris (not so much Bari Weiss) and I will listen when I have a chance. 
 

This makes perfect sense. I generally like Bari Weiss and not so much Sam Harris

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7 minutes ago, Strike said:

Except Roman Polanski.  Then you defend pedophilia.

Listen , I believe tim said she was a slut, what was Roman to do

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6 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Listen , I believe tim said she was a slut, what was Roman to do

Didn’t he say she had a great body too? 

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38 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Didn’t he say she had a great body too? 

She was well developed for her age.  Tim thinks that if she looks 18 it's all good.  The actual age is irrelevant.  Oh, and drugging her up is ok too.

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

But I don’t struggle with moral equivalency. When I see something wrong I call it out. 

 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22688046

timschochet Posted April 29, 2020: Your argument here is based on two false premises: 1. In late April of 2020, with the coronavirus causing a nearly national sheltering in place, thousands of deaths and total chaos, there is no time to replace Joe Biden as the nominee even if it were clear that he is guilty of this charge (which it is not and never will be.) There’s no public will or desire to do so and no time to build up such a desire. Even a serious attempt to do so would not succeed in removing Biden; it would only serve to weaken his candidacy.  2. I am not dismissing Ms. Reade’s claim. My argument is that, given the issues at stake, it’s not relevant to pursue. She claims it happened; he denies it, there’s nowhere to go. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22681890

timschochet Posted April 26, 2020: Not really laughing. I’m certainly not laughing at Ms. Reade. I’ve no doubt that Joe Biden touched her inappropriately, talked to her inappropriately, and that the incident stuck with her. Unfortunately it appears that Joe, like so many men of his age, exhibited chauvinist tendencies. Hopefully, largely thanks to the #metoo movement, that behavior is no longer acceptable. I have grave doubts that he hand raped her as she is now claiming. I don’t find that to be consistent with anything we know about him or her. And I think the media has behaved correctly and without hypocrisy, and I am without hypocrisy on this subject.  So what I was laughing at was all your “shames!” Obviously I don’t find a single one of them warranted. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22682007

timschochet Posted April 26, 2020: ....And now we have this situation in which I tell you I don’t believe Reade, and you accuse me of feeling that way because I am for Joe Biden and you call it disgusting. I would expect to read that sort of thing from other folks around here, especially those who don’t know me very well and are always quick to take sides, but I didn’t expect that to come from you, jon. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22682019

timschochet Posted April 26, 2020 (edited): That’s never been my standard. My standard is to give all accusations careful consideration, period. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22684117

timschochet Posted April 27, 2020: As for Biden- as I wrote, this new information troubles me greatly. I still don’t immediately assume he did what’s he’s being accused of. I now guess I lean in that direction but I don’t know. That being said I see no hypocrisy in supporting him no matter what because it’s an either/or situation. If Kavanaugh had been in an either/ or choice with a truly awful, incompetent person l would have supported him easily as well. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22685130

timschochet Posted April 28, 2020: You guys will have plenty of time to pursue this once Biden is President. I might even join you at that point, probably will. If the evidence is clear I’ll demand his resignation. But all that comes later. First we deal with the greater threat. This whole issue should be dismissed, swept under the rug, until after November. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22686245

timschochet Posted April 28, 2020: Of course he will survive it. If you guys have trouble with this story and you can’t vote for Biden- well that’s up to you. But if you honestly believe this story will result in his stepping down as a nominee- that’s not gonna happen. Or if you think this story will in some way seriously hurt Biden’s chances- that’s delusional as well IMO. In the real world right now, Hillary Clinton is endorsing Joe Biden. Biden is spending his time tweeting about coronavirus testing and differences between him and Trump on that issue, which will brings the ONLY issue that matters to folks in the fall. This story will continue to be internet fodder. But in the real world it won’t make the slightest bit of difference. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22680972

timschochet Posted April 26, 2020: It really isn’t apples to apples. When Blasey Ford testified I found her believable. This woman I don’t for various reasons which I’ve now explained several times. You guys can and probably will continue to accuse me and others of hypocrisy and the media of a coverup. I don’t expect to ever convince you otherwise. But you’re completely wrong on both counts. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22681188

timschochet Posted April 26, 2020: She opened up with more details? Seriously? You mean she invented more details. And how do you know who she voted for?  Everything I wrote was based on what I’ve read on the mainstream media, which is the only media I trust. If you have a link to dispute what I wrote, Ill consider it so long as it’s from the mainstream media. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22678189

timschochet Posted April 25, 2020: It actually was for me. It convinced me that she was touched inappropriately, but that the “rape by hand” accusation is a lie. And that since Biden has already apologized for touching women inappropriately, there’s nowhere for this story to go. 

******

Tim says sexual assault should be a reasonable standard for destroying one's life work. Which should also include professional politics. But when it came to Joe Biden and Tara Reade, it was, "But all that comes later. First we deal with the greater threat. This whole issue should be dismissed, swept under the rug, until after November. "

But, Tim admits in the open, that Biden "touched Read inappropriately", inferring without her consent.... wait for it... that's SEXUAL ASSAULT. But magically, Tim assesses that "No", Biden's career shouldn't be ruined over it. As it won't make, "the slightest bit of difference" Tim thinks it's sad that people think Ford was "making it all up", and that sometimes all you have is a woman's own testimony,  but he's called Reade a liar in the open. It's apparently not very sad when Tim decides someone is making it all up. And what's more critical is Biden's denials, since there is "nowhere to go"  However Kavanaugh is not given the same regard by Tim. Funny how the side Tim protects is always the one that benefits the radical left and the current Democratic Party.

That's great, Tim. In your unfiltered misogynistic words, this all should be "swept under the rug"  Well, until the mainstream media tells you otherwise, since they are the only ones you trust. Do you want to talk to everyone here some more about "Moral Equivalency"?

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55 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22688046

timschochet Posted April 29, 2020: Your argument here is based on two false premises: 1. In late April of 2020, with the coronavirus causing a nearly national sheltering in place, thousands of deaths and total chaos, there is no time to replace Joe Biden as the nominee even if it were clear that he is guilty of this charge (which it is not and never will be.) There’s no public will or desire to do so and no time to build up such a desire. Even a serious attempt to do so would not succeed in removing Biden; it would only serve to weaken his candidacy.  2. I am not dismissing Ms. Reade’s claim. My argument is that, given the issues at stake, it’s not relevant to pursue. She claims it happened; he denies it, there’s nowhere to go. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22681890

timschochet Posted April 26, 2020: Not really laughing. I’m certainly not laughing at Ms. Reade. I’ve no doubt that Joe Biden touched her inappropriately, talked to her inappropriately, and that the incident stuck with her. Unfortunately it appears that Joe, like so many men of his age, exhibited chauvinist tendencies. Hopefully, largely thanks to the #metoo movement, that behavior is no longer acceptable. I have grave doubts that he hand raped her as she is now claiming. I don’t find that to be consistent with anything we know about him or her. And I think the media has behaved correctly and without hypocrisy, and I am without hypocrisy on this subject.  So what I was laughing at was all your “shames!” Obviously I don’t find a single one of them warranted. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22682007

timschochet Posted April 26, 2020: ....And now we have this situation in which I tell you I don’t believe Reade, and you accuse me of feeling that way because I am for Joe Biden and you call it disgusting. I would expect to read that sort of thing from other folks around here, especially those who don’t know me very well and are always quick to take sides, but I didn’t expect that to come from you, jon. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22682019

timschochet Posted April 26, 2020 (edited): That’s never been my standard. My standard is to give all accusations careful consideration, period. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22684117

timschochet Posted April 27, 2020: As for Biden- as I wrote, this new information troubles me greatly. I still don’t immediately assume he did what’s he’s being accused of. I now guess I lean in that direction but I don’t know. That being said I see no hypocrisy in supporting him no matter what because it’s an either/or situation. If Kavanaugh had been in an either/ or choice with a truly awful, incompetent person l would have supported him easily as well. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22685130

timschochet Posted April 28, 2020: You guys will have plenty of time to pursue this once Biden is President. I might even join you at that point, probably will. If the evidence is clear I’ll demand his resignation. But all that comes later. First we deal with the greater threat. This whole issue should be dismissed, swept under the rug, until after November. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22686245

timschochet Posted April 28, 2020: Of course he will survive it. If you guys have trouble with this story and you can’t vote for Biden- well that’s up to you. But if you honestly believe this story will result in his stepping down as a nominee- that’s not gonna happen. Or if you think this story will in some way seriously hurt Biden’s chances- that’s delusional as well IMO. In the real world right now, Hillary Clinton is endorsing Joe Biden. Biden is spending his time tweeting about coronavirus testing and differences between him and Trump on that issue, which will brings the ONLY issue that matters to folks in the fall. This story will continue to be internet fodder. But in the real world it won’t make the slightest bit of difference. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22680972

timschochet Posted April 26, 2020: It really isn’t apples to apples. When Blasey Ford testified I found her believable. This woman I don’t for various reasons which I’ve now explained several times. You guys can and probably will continue to accuse me and others of hypocrisy and the media of a coverup. I don’t expect to ever convince you otherwise. But you’re completely wrong on both counts. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22681188

timschochet Posted April 26, 2020: She opened up with more details? Seriously? You mean she invented more details. And how do you know who she voted for?  Everything I wrote was based on what I’ve read on the mainstream media, which is the only media I trust. If you have a link to dispute what I wrote, Ill consider it so long as it’s from the mainstream media. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/784560-former-staffer-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault/?do=findComment&comment=22678189

timschochet Posted April 25, 2020: It actually was for me. It convinced me that she was touched inappropriately, but that the “rape by hand” accusation is a lie. And that since Biden has already apologized for touching women inappropriately, there’s nowhere for this story to go. 

******

Tim says sexual assault should be a reasonable standard for destroying one's life work. Which should also include professional politics. But when it came to Joe Biden and Tara Reade, it was, "But all that comes later. First we deal with the greater threat. This whole issue should be dismissed, swept under the rug, until after November. "

But, Tim admits in the open, that Biden "touched Read inappropriately", inferring without her consent.... wait for it... that's SEXUAL ASSAULT. But magically, Tim assesses that "No", Biden's career shouldn't be ruined over it. As it won't make, "the slightest bit of difference" Tim thinks it's sad that people think Ford was "making it all up", and that sometimes all you have is a woman's own testimony,  but he's called Reade a liar in the open. It's apparently not very sad when Tim decides someone is making it all up. And what's more critical is Biden's denials, since there is "nowhere to go"  However Kavanaugh is not given the same regard by Tim. Funny how the side Tim protects is always the one that benefits the radical left and the current Democratic Party.

That's great, Tim. In your unfiltered misogynistic words, this all should be "swept under the rug"  Well, until the mainstream media tells you otherwise, since they are the only ones you trust. Do you want to talk to everyone here some more about "Moral Equivalency"?

Thanks I love these posts

:lol: I get a lot of enjoyment out of these.  👍for  the links and seeing the comments.

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2 hours ago, Strike said:

She was well developed for her age.  Tim thinks that if she looks 18 it's all good.  The actual age is irrelevant.  Oh, and drugging her up is ok too.

That POS tries to point a finger at me for a hypothetical and meanwhile he’s justifying an actual rape.  I wonder how he would feel if it were his daughter? 

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8 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

The barbarians are at the gate

 

 

I wonder what Brad had to say during the DNC sanctioned riots of 2020 and peoples places of work were being broke into by rioters? 

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The disenfranchised on the Left need something, anything to fight for.  Seems we've moved onto the "evil, soulless terrorist group" support phase.  It's gotta be uphill from here, right?

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1 hour ago, Mark Davis said:

The barbarians are at the gate

 

The DNC doesn't care about working class people protesting and rioting and looting. They care about losing Pennsylvania and Michigan down the ticket. The demographic breakdowns there will not lean in their favor come the 2024 general cycle. 

Also small dollar political donations have cratered. The overall fundraising has cratered for all the non brand name politicians. All the spending in 2020 to use dark money for ballot harvesting and ballot chasing, that's not something that can be repeated easily. Once you "buy a voter", you are stuck having to buy that vote forever if you want it again. 

This will also cause a massive rise, again, for Nikki Haley from the other side. In a VPOTUS debate, Haley will completely run over Kamala Harris. 

The establishment Democrats are getting finger cuffed here. The GOP will reap the cash infusion from all the big hitter Jewish donors who are infuriated by the appeasement of the hard left section of Team Blue. While the Progressive base will egg on this non stop barrage against everyone, targeting the establishment Democrats, to try to salvage their own fundraising and to try to primary out whomever Hakeem Jeffries sends forward now. 

Leftists are literally cannibalizing themselves and there isn't enough Orange Man Bad to paint over this for 2024. Team Blue is now completely reliant, not just on low information voters, but those who don't even go outside  their individual bubbles ( the elderly voters who watch one news channel every night and young white college educated women in Big Blue Cities) 

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In the mind of the leftist any action they choose is "justified", this is something they share with terrorists.....

Its an immature view, but no one has apparently stepped up in their lives to teach them anything other than hate.

So when your position is that YOU are good.....and those who do not conform to your world view are evil.....anything you choose to do to harm your opponents is therefore fine.  And then anything THEY do....is the worst evil possible....even if they are doing they very act you just completed.

Its really is a terrible way to think, but this is the modern liberal doctrine.

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On 11/14/2023 at 5:39 PM, The Real timschochet said:

We need to have a new federal law and it should be absolute: anyone who protests in front of a private home should be arrested. Period. I don’t care if it’s Joe Biden or Brett Kavanaugh or whoever. Protesting at a private home should be completely illegal. 

It already is illegal to protest in front of a scotus house. But garland doesn’t care

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