University presidents won’t condemn antisemitism

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

The whole education system needs to back the Fock up. People are fed up with the overstepping. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The whole education system needs to back the Fock up. People are fed up with the overstepping. 

Actually, the whole education system needs to be burned to the ground and built up again, properly and with actual subjects and topics that help kids in real life.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Actually, the whole education system needs to be burned to the ground and built up again, properly and with actual subjects and topics that help kids in real life.

It’s a simple question: Who the Fock do you people think you are? Limit your scope and enjoy the benefits of a good job. That’s all. 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

The only problem with our education system is it’s not woke enough, 

[seafoam1 2,803]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The only problem with our education system is it’s not woke enough, 

You should move to Mexico. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The only problem with our education system is it’s not woke enough, 

And the kids that can’t read. And the teachers being assaulted left and right by students. I bet if some pissed off father hit a teacher a crack for talking to his kid about sex, pansies like you wouid have a fit.  But if it’s students doing it you DGAF. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

29 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Actually, the whole education system needs to be burned to the ground and built up again, properly and with actual subjects and topics that help kids in real life.

Math, reading, science? Those don’t help kids in real life?

[Mark Davis 339]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I weep for this country. 

We don't even need China to take us down, we are doing it to ourselves.  If their economy wasn't doomed to failure due to communism, we would be down sooner.  Instead we are just going to watch Western culture rot due to hatred from within from not stopping these Marxist ideologies.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

The only problem with our education system is it’s not woke enough, 

I'm convinced you're just in here to troll.

No one ever says that.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

50 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Math, reading, science? Those don’t help kids in real life?

You continue to play the obtuse f****** idiot.  It's what you do best because you clearly can't think on your own.

Do us all a favor and take a long walk off a short pier.

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

39 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I'm convinced you're just in here to troll.

No one ever says that.

I’m not trying to troll. I’ve written before that I approve very much of most woke ideas, which are about treating everyone with dignity and respect. I like living in a woke society and I’d like our schools to have more of this, not less. And yes I’m dead serious. 
Are there exceptions when woke can go too far? Sure, and you guys love pointing them out. When you do I will probably agree with you in that particular instance. But overall what are we talking about when it comes to woke? Respect for gays and trans. The Me Too movement. Acknowledging the dangers of man-made climate change. Teaching the truth about the history of American race relations, and recognizing that some institutional racism still exists today. These are all good positive things. I’m for them, and I want woke to win out. 

[Voltaire 5,202]

7 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

You are fixated on this idea that I am opposite of you on this issue. I am not. 

This started when Buck wondered why people on the right were only upset when explicit sex scenes occur in books for gay teens and not hetero ones, I said they would be if books like that were targeting teenagers. That was when you gave us a list of books aimed at teens, and while some did have passages that were dubious and have proven controversial in the past, we learned that there are none nearly as sexually explicit as the books written that target gay teens, books that our corporate media shower with praise and paint opponents as book burners and sensors. 

I thought maybe a good case could be made against me that I was being a hypocrite. I like Fast Times at Ridgemont High for example wheras I do indeed find gay sex personally disgusting and repugnant. So, since I wanted the gay books Senator Kennedy read passages from not available on school library shelves, I left myself quite vulnerable when occurrences of such themes occur in books aimed at straight teens. Come to find out... even the most risque of books aimed at straight teens aren't nearly so graphic (which is what I expected all along.

The books that target gay teens with sexual themes cross way, way more lines than the ones that target straight teens. We can't find anything the equivalent of Some Boys Aren't Blue and Gender Queer in the straight teen literature. Thus far not one. And ... the ones that bother to try have been criticized.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Liberals like taking a concept, like treating people with dignity and respect, slapping their childish label on it by calling it woke, and acting as if they came up with it and only they are doing it right. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Remember all that dignity and respect the woke mob were treating people and places with a few years ago? 

[BuckSwope 654]

35 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

This started when Buck wondered why people on the right were only upset when explicit sex scenes occur in books for gay teens and not hetero ones, I said they would be if books like that were targeting teenagers. That was when you gave us a list of books aimed at teens, and while some did have passages that were dubious and have proven controversial in the past, we learned that there are none nearly as sexually explicit as the books written that target gay teens, books that our corporate media shower with praise and paint opponents as book burners and sensors. 

I thought maybe a good case could be made against me that I was being a hypocrite. I like Fast Times at Ridgemont High for example wheras I do indeed find gay sex personally disgusting and repugnant. So, since I wanted the gay books Senator Kennedy read passages from not available on school library shelves, I left myself quite vulnerable when occurrences of such themes occur in books aimed at straight teens. Come to find out... even the most risque of books aimed at straight teens aren't nearly so graphic (which is what I expected all along.

The books that target gay teens with sexual themes cross way, way more lines than the ones that target straight teens. We can't find anything the equivalent of Some Boys Aren't Blue and Gender Queer in the straight teen literature. Thus far not one. And ... the ones that bother to try have been criticized.

 

I will repeat that it shouldn't be so hard to find what is in books.    Since IT keeps getting brought up, I tried to find an exerpt from the book online since I don't have the book, and couldn't during morning coffee.  I got a lot of general outlines of the plot, but no examples straight from the text.   THIS is about as close as I got:   

This chapter infamously ends with Love and Desire.  As the seven children make their way back, they become lost in the sewers.  With no idea what to do, and feeling that their strength is wearing off now that they have confronted It, Beverly suggests that they make love.  What follows is very surreal; as with the risque content in the Patrick Hockstetter chapter, it is awkward for the reader and King is again tap-dancing on the line of what is appropriate.  Yet he proceeds with the scene confidently, showing no shame in what he's writing.  As Beverly engages in prepubescent sex with Eddie, Mike, Richie, and Stan, one senses that this act is the true threshold, the final dance of the Ritual of Chud.  "It" no longer refers to the monster but to the act of sex.  Now they are truly adults and will share a bond that is beyond mere romantic love.  It is King's way of showing us that while childhood is a positive thing, so is the act of coming of age.  It also is a purification for Beverly; her father has verbally and emotionally abused her, making her feel ashamed of sex.  Now she reinvents sex and makes it a positive thing.  She continues to think of birds during the act, as if to her this sensation is more amusing and lovely than it is stimulating.  Finally she makes love to Ben and Bill, both of whom have stronger feelings for.  Ben is described as being very "big" and being the the first one to actually make Beverly climax.  We know Ben has had this crush for months.  Bill also makes Beverly climax as he will years later, a sign that her love is communal. 

 

Paired with my recollection of the stuff and the ages of the kids being talked about, I did find it odd that this book and some other  King was in a school library - which is why I commonly fall back to that example.  To me this isn't hard.  There should be some commonsense line for what is in a school library, and it should be equally applied.  Sexual content is sexual content.   So I raise an eyebrow when somebody thinks your examples are OK and I raise one when it's all about sexual content, but stuff like we are talking about are missing from the discussion.   

[Sean Mooney 1,938]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

This started when Buck wondered why people on the right were only upset when explicit sex scenes occur in books for gay teens and not hetero ones, I said they would be if books like that were targeting teenagers. That was when you gave us a list of books aimed at teens, and while some did have passages that were dubious and have proven controversial in the past, we learned that there are none nearly as sexually explicit as the books written that target gay teens, books that our corporate media shower with praise and paint opponents as book burners and sensors. 

I thought maybe a good case could be made against me that I was being a hypocrite. I like Fast Times at Ridgemont High for example wheras I do indeed find gay sex personally disgusting and repugnant. So, since I wanted the gay books Senator Kennedy read passages from not available on school library shelves, I left myself quite vulnerable when occurrences of such themes occur in books aimed at straight teens. Come to find out... even the most risque of books aimed at straight teens aren't nearly so graphic (which is what I expected all along.

The books that target gay teens with sexual themes cross way, way more lines than the ones that target straight teens. We can't find anything the equivalent of Some Boys Aren't Blue and Gender Queer in the straight teen literature. Thus far not one. And ... the ones that bother to try have been criticized.

 

#1.) I'm not the authority of all young adult novels. I gave you an initial list of books that have been criticized in the past for being too sexual for teens. Are their heavier examples than what I mentioned? Probably. Again- my larger point was in these cases there are people stretching their beliefs onto others. I'm against that. Would I personally read All Boys Aren't Blue or Gender Queer? No I wouldn't. I'm not gay and I'm just not that interested. I would assume someone who is gay and is interested would want to read it. I'm also not going to get overly upset about reading passages of the book stripped of context. For all I know- that blurb you read is a small part where the person is talking about an initial sexual experience. Plenty of books deal with the awkwardness of the first time be it more graphic or sensual. However, if the book is not in a curriculum (and to be clear- it absolutely shouldn't be) and is something a kid is deciding to pick up off the book shelves- so be it. 

#2.) It's not about someone being a hypocrite to me and if you took that as me implying that about you I apologize. It is about how what people want banned in books is a moving target and is more about them having their way over someone else. I may not like a particular book for whatever reason but if you do you should be able to read it. It should not matter what I think. Likewise- if a gay kid wants to read something that speaks to their experience they should be able to read it. The book shouldn't be forced on people or forced into their hands but if they pick it up so be it. In many schools across the country those two books are not even on shelves- they are in an online catalog that kids have to actively seek out to find. 

#3.) Again to be clear- I'm not saying "Screw it, this stuff should all be out there for everyone." I'm also not saying "We need to eliminate it all." I'm saying- "Let's let kids teenagers have some autonomy in what they read and let's let parents have some say in that discussion." If teachers are forcing kids to read a book with strongly graphic gay sex passages they should face consequences. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m not trying to troll. I’ve written before that I approve very much of most woke ideas, which are about treating everyone with dignity and respect. I like living in a woke society and I’d like our schools to have more of this, not less. And yes I’m dead serious. 
Are there exceptions when woke can go too far? Sure, and you guys love pointing them out. When you do I will probably agree with you in that particular instance. But overall what are we talking about when it comes to woke? Respect for gays and trans. The Me Too movement. Acknowledging the dangers of man-made climate change. Teaching the truth about the history of American race relations, and recognizing that some institutional racism still exists today. These are all good positive things. I’m for them, and I want woke to win out. 

That's not what that is and "wokeness" has it's roots in Marxism/Communism (see Mao's Cultural Revolution).  You have a complete misunderstanding (either deliberately or ignorantly) of what "wokeness" is and what it's trying to do.

The American left is moving further and further left.  Your party is going to need a name change pretty soon.

[seafoam1 2,803]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

That's not what that is and "wokeness" has it's roots in Marxism/Communism (see Mao's Cultural Revolution).  You have a complete misunderstanding (either deliberately or ignorantly) of what "wokeness" is and what it's trying to do.

The American left is moving further and further left.  Your party is going to need a name change pretty soon.

"Nazi" has already been taken. Poop.

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

I seem to recall discussion back in the 1970's of whether Henry Miller's works should have been included in our high school's library.  They were.

[kilroy69 1,216]

What is crazy to me is that because Claudine Gay is a DEI hire there will never be any repercussions for her. Anything she does will be swept under the rug or just flat out ignored. It would appear she plagiarized her thesis. Using the same exact phrasing but changing "black" to the more politically correct "African American" and that was it. Harvard students would be kicked out of they were caught plagiarizing their work.  But it is ok if captain DEI does it? 

[seafoam1 2,803]

1 minute ago, kilroy69 said:

What is crazy to me is that because Claudine Gay is a DEI hire there will never be any repercussions for her. Anything she does will be swept under the rug or just flat out ignored. It would appear she plagiarized her thesis. Using the same exact phrasing but changing "black" to the more politically correct "African American" and that was it. Harvard students would be kicked out of they were caught plagiarizing their work.  But it is ok if captain DEI does it? 

Joe Biden anyone? He's focking president.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

47 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I seem to recall discussion back in the 1970's of whether Henry Miller's works should have been included in our high school's library.  They were.

Oh. I guess we can go ahead with the pictures of blowjobs then. Never mind. 

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh. I guess we can go ahead with the pictures of blowjobs then. Never mind. 

Is that what you took from my post?  Fascinating!

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

13 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Is that what you took from my post?  Fascinating!

What was I supposed to take from it? Why did you bring it up? Sounds like you’re comparing that to what’s going on now. No? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

13 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

I guess you have to. 

[MDC 7,130]

2 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

I seem to recall discussion back in the 1970's of whether Henry Miller's works should have been included in our high school's library.  They were.

You had literal PORN in school libraries???  

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

13 minutes ago, MDC said:

You had literal PORN in school libraries???  

In California we had Playboy and Penthouse back issues but no Hustler. And no gay porn outside of the video section- you could get just about anything there. (only high school though; middle school was more limited.) 

[MDC 7,130]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

In California we had Playboy and Penthouse back issues but no Hustler. And no gay porn outside of the video section- you could get just about anything there. (only high school though; middle school was more limited.) 

I’m so jealous! All I had was a comic called Gender Queer that had 2 panels showing a diik in someone’s mouth. I must have fapped it to that page a thousand times.  

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

I’m so jealous! All I had was a comic called Gender Queer that had 2 panels showing a diik in someone’s mouth. I must have fapped it to that page a thousand times.  

Dude I was reading Gender Queer in third grade. Thats baby stuff in Cali. 

[Alias Detective 1,389]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

Is that what you took from my post?  Fascinating!

 

38 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

oopsie!

[IGotWorms 4,057]

12 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You continue to play the obtuse f****** idiot. 

Some might say I’m pointing out your stupidity

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

44 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

 

oopsie!

Wow.  How pathetic    .  What’s the matter with these people? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

50 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Some might say I’m pointing out your stupidity

Uhm...no.  No one says that.  

[weepaws 3,157]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh. I guess we can go ahead with the pictures of blowjobs then. Never mind. 

Does your wife know that you keep pictures of blowjobs around?

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Some might say I’m pointing out your stupidity

Could thing you are here.  Now BR can know what his opinion on this issue is!! 

[League Champion 1,896]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Dude I was reading Gender Queer in third grade. Thats baby stuff in Cali. 

That explains everything 

[RLLD 4,143]

 

[BuckSwope 654]

17 minutes ago, League Champion said:

That explains everything 

We should start a book club!

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

2 hours ago, weepaws said:

Does your wife know that you keep pictures of blowjobs around?

Did your cell mate? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Did your cell mate? 

Not cool - His cell mate was Buck Dope.