Trump's NY Election Interference Trial - Trump is found guilty on all 34 counts

[squistion 1,947]

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1796583710990401627

Biden-Harris 2024 Communications Director Michael Tyler:

"America just witnessed a confused, desperate, and defeated Donald Trump ramble about his own personal grievances and lie about the American justice system, leaving anyone watching with one obvious conclusion: This man cannot be president of the United States. Unhinged by his 2020 election loss and spiraling from his criminal convictions, Trump is consumed by his own thirst for revenge and retribution. He thinks this election is about him. But it's not. It's about the American people: lowering their costs, protecting their freedoms, defending their democracy."

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

Trump's comments on the charges are basically

"Yeah I screwed up....but all you dummies missed the first part....so vote for me anyway."

[listen2me 23 1,825]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

If you thought the trial was a sham, then you were already voting for him.

I don't think this does much for the election either way, but again, that wasn't the intent.  I know all the Trump minions think it was, that's what they were told.

But it's pretty clear this isn't going to have much of an effect on the polls.  Maybe sway some independents off him that have a conscience.

Interesting.   Wouldnt the real centrists with a vote in thr air be swayed and in these close elections that would be easily enough?

You are saying all republicans thought it was a sham and all libs thought it was legit.  The centrists wont be enough to matter?  

[jerryskids 6,559]

9 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I'm guess you are asking me and the answer is no.  He was not charged with "Conspiracy to promote or prevent election" nor did he need to be for the falsification records charges to be bumped to a felony.  If the records were falsified in the 'effort to commit a different' crime, the falsification charge is bumped to a felony.  Regardless if he succeeded or not in a 2nd crime, or is even charged with it.

It seems that is still quite a bit of confusion about how this works. 

 

I'm confused on multiple fronts.

One, in the absence of named "different crimes," the charges were misdemeanors.  How could a grand jury bring an indictment for felony charges?

Two, if specific charges are never brought, or defined, or argued in court, how is a jury supposed to reliably conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed such uncharged, undefined, unargued crimes?

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

10 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Interesting.   Wouldnt the real centrists with a vote in thr air be swayed and in these close elections that would be easily enough?

You are saying all republicans thought it was a sham and all libs thought it was legit.  The centrists wont be enough to matter?  

Total guess from me but-

I think Trump got a lot of swing voters out in 2016 in swing states that wouldn't normally vote.

In 2020 I think a lot of those same voters said "I'm done with Trump" and many new swing voters in swing states said "Let's get rid of Trump."

In 2024, I think a lot of those swing voters in swing states say "Why the hell did I start voting 8 years ago?" and just sit it out. 

[Engorgeous George 2,126]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/AhmedBaba_/status/1796561491694620718

Trump just called Judge Merchan, who will decide his sentence, “a devil.” Trump is still under a gag order.

So like a minor imp or demon, something short of The Devil.

[Engorgeous George 2,126]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I thinking you're losing it.  If he wanted to, he could have.  Trump is full of crap.

He clearly needs more water and more ruffage in his diet.  Definately not a spinach and kale sort of fella.

[Strike 5,186]

From a lawyer and CNN legal analyst.   This sounds like it could have been written by our own @Engorgeous George:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-was-convicted-but-prosecutors-contorted-the-law.html

[Hardcore troubadour 14,927]

35 million unless than 24 hours.  Wow 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

35 million unless than 24 hours.  Wow 

Where do they get this money?  Isn't the economy a disaster?  Do they know about Red Lobster?

[squistion 1,947]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Where do they get this money?  Isn't the economy a disaster?  Do they know about Red Lobster?

And all those fast food joints in California going out of business because of the $20 minimum wage? 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, squistion said:

And all those fast food joints in California going out of business because of the $20 minimum wage? 

credit card debt is at an all time high.  Groceries are 5 times as much now than they were last week.  Dollar General is bankrupt!

[The Real timschochet 6,410]

56 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm confused on multiple fronts.

One, in the absence of named "different crimes," the charges were misdemeanors.  How could a grand jury bring an indictment for felony charges?

Two, if specific charges are never brought, or defined, or argued in court, how is a jury supposed to reliably conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed such uncharged, undefined, unargued crimes?

These are fair questions. Let me offer a layman’s answer based entirely on my albeit limited understanding of attorneys that I’ve watched and listened to on CNN and MSNBC: 

1. There is a New York law that states that falsifying bank records can be a felony rather than a misdemeanor IF it’s done with the purpose of concealing another crime. 

2. The law purposefully does not require the prosecutor to define what the crime is being concealed, only to determine that another crime was in fact being concealed. 

3. Point #2 allows the prosecutor to offer the jury several different options as to exactly which crime is concealed- the jury needn’t pick between them, all they have to do is decide that at least one of the choices applies to this case. Thats what the law says and it’s the reason Bragg didn’t have to define what crime was being committed last year at the time of the indictment. It also means that, contrary to @Jon_mx’s claim, the judge acted properly by giving the jury choices to make. 
 

4. In this case, despite several technical choices being offered, they all basically came down to the same thing- Trump falsified records in order to conceal that he was reimbursing Cohen for payments to Daniels that were made to conceal her affair with Trump from the public in order to help him win the election. That is some kind of election interference (there are several choices to choose from) which turns the falsifying business records from a misdemeanor to a felony. 

5. Bragg’s decision to charge this sort of crime as a felony is a novel prosecution- it’s never been done before in terms of election interference. That’s the main reason some attorneys, even some liberal ones, believe this conviction will eventually be overturned. But other legal experts point out that the law is on the books and just because Bragg was the first to apply it doesn’t mean he was incorrect to do so. 
 

Again that is my limited understanding. If I got something wrong I’m sure somebody will correct me. 

[thegeneral 2,896]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

From a lawyer and CNN legal analyst.   This sounds like it could have been written by our own @Engorgeous George:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-was-convicted-but-prosecutors-contorted-the-law.html

This has been said about these charges since day one.

When the next candidate gets busted for how he paid off the porn star they can elevate those charges too. 

Fair!

[Engorgeous George 2,126]

Standards for the Prosecution Function (americanbar.org)

[IGotWorms 4,057]

All this stuff about the charges was already argued and decided in the motions to dismiss.

I am sure there will be an appeal but until that’s heard and decided, these are really moot points

[The Real timschochet 6,410]

20 minutes ago, Strike said:

From a lawyer and CNN legal analyst.   This sounds like it could have been written by our own @Engorgeous George:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-was-convicted-but-prosecutors-contorted-the-law.html

Well actually I think George is a better writer. This woman is not particularly compelling: 

1. Her first point about the judge  refusing to recuse himself misses the fact that Merchan actually submitted the question to a state ethics review board which unanimously determined there was no need for him to recuse. 
 

2. Her second point, that Bragg campaigned on prosecuting Trump, is irrelevant because all district attorneys campaign on promises in terms of who they will prosecute. One could argue that this is a poor system and DAs should be appointed rather than run in elections and I might agree, but that is the system New York has had for over a century. (For example, Rudy Giuliani promised to prosecute John Gotti if elected and he did.) 

3. After the two irrelevancies she finally gets to the main point that no state prosecutor has ever prosecuted a federal election crime in this manner. But she never offers any reasoning as to why this shouldn’t be done. As I just pointed out, doing something for the first time doesn’t make it wrong. 

[Engorgeous George 2,126]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well actually I think George is a better writer. This woman is not particularly compelling: 

1. Her first point about the judge  refusing to recuse himself misses the fact that Merchan actually submitted the question to a state ethics review board which unanimously determined there was no need for him to recuse. 
 

2. Her second point, that Bragg campaigned on prosecuting Trump, is irrelevant because all district attorneys campaign on promises in terms of who they will prosecute. One could argue that this is a poor system and DAs should be appointed rather than run in elections and I might agree, but that is the system New York has had for over a century. (For example, Rudy Giuliani promised to prosecute John Gotta if elected and he did.) 

3. After the two irrelevancies she finally gets to the main point that no state prosecutor has ever prosecuted a federal election crime in this manner. But she never offers any reasoning as to why this shouldn’t be done. As I just pointed out, doing something for the first time doesn’t make it wrong. 

Unless you are catholic, then its wrong and shameful unless first blessed by the church in an archaic sacrament.

[Dozer FBG 324]

Kat Abu with a take on the Fox News Cry-fest after Trump was found guilty:

Cry on losers!

From calls for revolution to discussing Greek tragedies, here’s how Fox News coped with yesterday’s Trump verdict:

[Strike 5,186]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well actually I think George is a better writer. This woman is not particularly compelling: 

1. Her first point about the judge  refusing to recuse himself misses the fact that Merchan actually submitted the question to a state ethics review board which unanimously determined there was no need for him to recuse. 
 

2. Her second point, that Bragg campaigned on prosecuting Trump, is irrelevant because all district attorneys campaign on promises in terms of who they will prosecute. One could argue that this is a poor system and DAs should be appointed rather than run in elections and I might agree, but that is the system New York has had for over a century. (For example, Rudy Giuliani promised to prosecute John Gotti if elected and he did.) 

3. After the two irrelevancies she finally gets to the main point that no state prosecutor has ever prosecuted a federal election crime in this manner. But she never offers any reasoning as to why this shouldn’t be done. As I just pointed out, doing something for the first time doesn’t make it wrong. 

I stopped reading at Her.  Show some respect for people's pronouns Nepoboy.

[5-Points 3,387]

16 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

If he'd just shot someone, Alvin Bragg likely wouldn't have prosecuted him.

I don’t think shooting someone is a crime in NY anymore. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-supporters-call-riots-violent-retribution-after-verdict-2024-05-31/

Clownzo cultists call for violence.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-supporters-call-riots-violent-retribution-after-verdict-2024-05-31/

Clownzo cultists call for violence.

Well I would say they’re not serious and to just ignore them… but there was January 6  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

7 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-supporters-call-riots-violent-retribution-after-verdict-2024-05-31/

Clownzo cultists call for violence.

Taking their cues from the left's Summer of Love and any number of the riots your side has started. 

Sorry, pal, you and your girlfriends don't get to cry about "violence" when you've featured it in every riot and protest for the last decade.  You even burned down neighborhoods, looted businesses, assaulted and murdered citizens and taken over city blocks of major cities.  GFY. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,699]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1796583710990401627

Biden-Harris 2024 Communications Director Michael Tyler:

"America just witnessed a confused, desperate, and defeated Donald Trump ramble about his own personal grievances and lie about the American justice system, leaving anyone watching with one obvious conclusion: This man cannot be president of the United States. Unhinged by his 2020 election loss and spiraling from his criminal convictions, Trump is consumed by his own thirst for revenge and retribution. He thinks this election is about him. But it's not. It's about the American people: lowering their costs, protecting their freedoms, defending their democracy."

Cowards are already planting the seeds to avoid a debate

[BeachGuy23 642]

22 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Taking their cues from the left's Summer of Love and any number of the riots your side has started. 

Sorry, pal, you and your girlfriends don't get to cry about "violence" when you've featured it in every riot and protest for the last decade.  You even burned down neighborhoods, looted businesses, assaulted and murdered citizens and taken over city blocks of major cities.  GFY. 

LOLOLOLOLOL

Which politician did "the left" riot for that bears any resemblance to the cult of Trump's absolute and complete cuckery to the fat, orange turd?

Is your Trump's head on Rambo's body still in good shape cuck?

LMFAO

[squistion 1,947]

One would think that Kyle Rittenhouse, of all people, should have a healthy appreciation for our jury system.

https://x.com/ThisIsKyleR/status/1796290361817457115

Today is a miscarriage of justice. Donald Trump should NOT of been found guilty.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,699]

33 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Well I would say they’re not serious and to just ignore them… but there was January 6  

Just Feds trolling so they can arrest people for liking those posts.  MAGA Patriots are playing the long game.  Nobody is falling for another trap like 1/6.  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,699]

4 minutes ago, squistion said:

One would think that Kyle Rittenhouse, of all people, would have a healthy appreciation for our jury system.

https://x.com/ThisIsKyleR/status/1796290361817457115

Today is a miscarriage of justice. Donald Trump should NOT of been found guilty.

Honest question.  Have you seen 5 minutes of sunlight in the last two weeks?

[squistion 1,947]

https://x.com/BidenHQ/status/1796598389213159514 (video clip at link).

President Biden:

The American principle that no one is above the law was reaffirmed. Donald Trump was given every opportunity to defend himself. It was a state case, not a federal case. And it was heard by a jury of 12 citizens. 12 Americans, 12 people like you. Like millions of Americans who served on juries, this jury is chosen the same way every jury in America is chosen. It was a process that Donald Trump's attorney was part of. The jury heard five weeks of evidence. After careful deliberation, the jury reached a unanimous verdict. They found Donald Trump guilty on all 34 felony counts. Now he’ll be given the opportunity as he should to appeal that decision just like everyone else has that opportunity. That's how the American system of justice works. And it's reckless, it's dangerous, and it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict. Our justice system has endured for nearly 250 years and it literally is the cornerstone of America. The justice system should be respected, and we should never allow anyone to tear it down. That's America. That's who we are. And that's who we will always be, God willing

[Hardcore troubadour 14,927]

Trump raised a million for every felony count. Lol. 

[The Real timschochet 6,410]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump raised a million for every felony count. Lol. 

Both Biden and Trump raised a ton of money last night. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,927]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Both Biden and Trump raised a ton of money last night. 

Yeah it’s the same. Lol. 

[Mark Davis 339]

1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

I don’t think shooting someone is a crime in NY anymore. 

In his defense, you have to admit it took Bragg awhile to come up with this one.  He didn't have time for the petty criminals.

[MDC 7,124]

Trump has been three other criminal trials upcoming. What are the odds he says all three of them are ALSO rigged partisan witch hunts with biased judges, prosecutors and juries?  

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

2 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Taking their cues from the left's Summer of Love and any number of the riots your side has started. 

Sorry, pal, you and your girlfriends don't get to cry about "violence" when you've featured it in every riot and protest for the last decade.  You even burned down neighborhoods, looted businesses, assaulted and murdered citizens and taken over city blocks of major cities.  GFY. 

This is an idiotic comparison. You assume all of those involved were leftists because they were black.

Police brutality, racism and opportunism were behind those riots.

What we have here is convicted felon running for president and his supporters calling for violence.

You're so focking stupid.

[gas 128]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump raised a million for every felony count. Lol. 

Yup.   Every time you give Trump $ you pwn a lib.    So please, give him your $.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

17 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

This is an idiotic comparison. You assume all of those involved were leftists because they were black.

Police brutality, racism and opportunism were behind those riots.

What we have here is convicted felon running for president and his supporters calling for violence.

You're so focking stupid.

Okay, so in summary: "It's different when my side is violent and murderous because, well, it's my side.  Then it's okay." 

YOUR side not only called for violence, but also made good on that promise by burning cities, looting businesses and assaulting/murdering innocents.  

I'd call you a retard, but I think I would be giving retards a bad name.  I think you've been lobotomized - no one can be as dumb as you are naturally. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

10 minutes ago, gas said:

Yup.   Every time you give Trump $ you pwn a lib.    So please, give him your $.

Right?  Just like when you all gave BLM your cash! 

[The Real timschochet 6,410]

32 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trump has been three other criminal trials upcoming. What are the odds he says all three of them are ALSO rigged partisan witch hunts with biased judges, prosecutors and juries?  

Pretty sure the odds are good that he won’t slam the judge in at least one of those three cases.