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#1 supermike80

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 11:45 AM

Alabama was finally able to execute a man who was convicted of murder in 1982. 35 years later.
One comment from the attorney general said:


"Thirty-four years after he was first sentenced to death for the murder of a Colbert County man, Thomas Arthurs protracted attempt to escape justice is finally at an end," state Attorney General Steve Marshall said. "Most importantly, tonight, the family of Troy Wicker can begin the long-delayed process of recovery from a painful loss."

I guess my question is does this really start the process of recovery?
God forbid something happened to my wife or another family member and I would Hope they were caught. But for me execution solves nothing. It doesn't bring the person back.

Seems strange to me to need an execution to begin the recovery process.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 11:46 AM

That cliche is always used...

#3 Sho Nuff

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 11:53 AM

Agreed...the word closure sounds nice in the papers. But having met families that lost loved ones to murder...there is no real closure.

#4 12th Man

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 11:55 AM

Agreed...the word closure sounds nice in the papers. But having met families that lost loved ones to murder...there is no real closure.

BS. You never met any family that dealt with Murder

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:48 AM

We need to get this fixed and start processing these losers quickly. There is no reason some of these turds can't be eliminated within a week of conviction. In fact it really shouldn't even take hours in some cases like this one: http://wkbn.com/2018...olice-officers/

 

I mean look at that pile of ######. He's worthless and should have been executed yesterday.


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#6 NorthernVike

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:54 AM

We need to get this fixed and start processing these losers quickly. There is no reason some of these turds can't be eliminated within a week of conviction. In fact it really shouldn't even take hours in some cases like this one: http://wkbn.com/2018...olice-officers/

 

I mean look at that pile of ######. He's worthless and should have been executed yesterday.

 

 

They say execution is a deterrent yet they have put it behind closed doors and barley even report about it.   

 

 

I say make it public once again.  You want some punk to know what will happen if he takes an innocent life?  Put it out there for all to see.  This bullshat of deciding what is allowed for lethal injections has to come to an end also.  We put down pets every focking day in this world yet we wipe the arm of a piece of shiot with an alcohol swab before we inject them and then  tell states what they can and can't use to kill someone.  :wacko:


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#7 Herbivore

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:57 AM

1 no vote for the death penalty.  That AG is an ahole.  and so is 12th man.  


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:58 AM

I don't think it brings closure and I don't think it should be used to provide closure.

 

That being said, I'm for the death penalty and think it should be used more often and without 35 years of appeals.



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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:59 AM

1 no vote for the death penalty. 

What's your opinion on abortion?

 

 

 That AG is an ahole.  and so is 12th man.  

 

 

Don't know the AG but you're spot on on Flahawker  :thumbsup:


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:01 AM

I don't think it brings closure and I don't think it should be used to provide closure.

 

That being said, I'm for the death penalty and think it should be used more often and without 35 years of appeals.

 

Mostly agree.  I do think that it needs to help provide some sort of comfort to the victim's family that this ###### will never be able to take the life of another human being. 


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:03 AM

I am not sure what my opinion on the death penalty is. In the past I have been both for it and against it.
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#12 Kanil

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:04 AM

 

Mostly agree.  I do think that it needs to help provide some sort of comfort to the victim's family that this ###### will never be able to take the life of another human being. 

 

My thought is that it currently takes so damn long that most everyone has made peace with their loss by the time it happens.



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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:06 AM

 

My thought is that it currently takes so damn long that most everyone has made peace with their loss by the time it happens.

 

No doubt about that.  We do need to put in an express lane. 


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#14 Filthy Fernadez

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:08 AM

Odd the same people who'd argue for the life of a murderer wouldn't think TWICE (mandatory wait period for abortion) about killing an unborn child.

So the mother (1 person) doesn't want that person (baby) alive yet millions don't want the convicted killer alive.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:10 AM

Odd the same people who'd argue for the life of a murderer wouldn't think TWICE (mandatory wait period for abortion) about killing an unborn child.

So the mother (1 person) doesn't want that person (baby) alive yet millions don't want the convicted killer alive.

:wacko:

 

I am good with both the death penalty and abortions. 


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:12 AM

 

I am good with both the death penalty and abortions. 

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:21 AM

I don't think it brings closure and I don't think it should be used to provide closure.

 

That being said, I'm for the death penalty and think it should be used more often and without 35 years of appeals.

This

 

We had a local bartender stabbed to death last weekend by a 26 year old upset because it was closing time.She left five children behind and this focking POS will probably ride on the public dime with three meals a day,HBO etc, when he deserves to be put down like the mad animal he is today.


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#18 NorthernVike

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:23 AM

This

 

We had a local bartender stabbed to death last weekend by a 26 year old upset because it was closing time.She left five children behind and this focking POS will probably ride on the public dime with three meals a day,HBO etc, when he deserves to be put down like the mad animal he is today.

I really hate to say this but...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can Size?  :mellow:


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#19 fandandy

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:23 AM

I am not sure what my opinion on the death penalty is. In the past I have been both for it and against it.

This is kinda where I'm at.  If proven beyond a shadow of a doubt then there should be a mandatory time limit before you are executed.  One or two years and you're dead.  That will never be the case in this country be in general, we suck.  Currently it is more expensive to execute someone that to keep them in prison for life.



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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:25 AM

This is kinda where I'm at.  If proven beyond a shadow of a doubt then there should be a mandatory time limit before you are executed.  One or two years and you're dead.  That will never be the case in this country be in general, we suck.  Currently it is more expensive to execute someone that to keep them in prison for life.

As true as that is, sometimes it's still worth it. 


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#21 edjr

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:29 AM

As true as that is, sometimes it's still worth it. 

 

especially if dey dark


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:32 AM

As a man if you can't see that you've been neutered into believing that killing murderers is wrong, please go get a sex change to complete the poosification.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:40 AM

I am not sure what my opinion on the death penalty is. In the past I have been both for it and against it.

This is kind of where I'm at too.

 

And to be clear, my (sometimes) hesitation has nothing to do with self righteous, moralistic values - it has to do with proof positive evidence. I'm all for frying the truly guilty bastards - if they suffer, too bad..... But there are so many innocent people sitting in jail, wrongly convicted for crimes they did not commit... Groups such as the Innocence Project have proven time and time again that the system is just not  fail-safe enuff to be trusted... According to the latest #'s, the Innocence Project has exonerated and freed 351 previously convicted inmates, 20 who were on Death Row (Wiki).

 

In cases where there's not irrefutable, concrete DNA/Photographic/other evidence - I just don't know how we can be sure we don't accidentally terminate the wrong person.



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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:47 AM

This is kind of where I'm at too.

 

And to be clear, my (sometimes) hesitation has nothing to do with self righteous, moralistic values - it has to do with proof positive evidence. I'm all for frying the truly guilty bastards - if they suffer, too bad..... But there are so many innocent people sitting in jail, wrongly convicted for crimes they did not commit... Groups such as the Innocence Project have proven time and time again that the system is just not  fail-safe enuff to be trusted... According to the latest #'s, the Innocence Project has exonerated and freed 351 previously convicted inmates, 20 who were on Death Row (Wiki).

 

In cases where there's not irrefutable, concrete DNA/Photographic/other evidence - I just don't know how we can be sure we don't accidentally terminate the wrong person.

 

What about this one?  You for or against it for him?

 

http://www.foxnews.c...-more-cops.html


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#25 Herbivore

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:49 AM

This is kind of where I'm at too.

 

And to be clear, my (sometimes) hesitation has nothing to do with self righteous, moralistic values - it has to do with proof positive evidence. I'm all for frying the truly guilty bastards - if they suffer, too bad..... But there are so many innocent people sitting in jail, wrongly convicted for crimes they did not commit... Groups such as the Innocence Project have proven time and time again that the system is just not  fail-safe enuff to be trusted... According to the latest #'s, the Innocence Project has exonerated and freed 351 previously convicted inmates, 20 who were on Death Row (Wiki).

 

In cases where there's not irrefutable, concrete DNA/Photographic/other evidence - I just don't know how we can be sure we don't accidentally terminate the wrong person.

 

This is where I am coming from with the death penalty.  Filthy, do you understand this concept?  

 

Vike - I don't believe that you should be able to tell someone what they should do with their body, and therefore believe abortion should be legal.  I understand not everyone agrees on this, so for society sake having time limits should be a reasonable compromise.  


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:50 AM

I don't consider myself, pro or anti DP.  I am not sure how caging a human being for 50 years is any more or less humane.  There is no right answer.


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#27 Filthy Fernadez

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:51 AM

According to the latest #'s, the Innocence Project has exonerated and freed 351 previously convicted inmates, 20 who were on Death Row (Wiki).


A drop in the bucket compared to the innocent victims of the murderers/rapists set free back into society by those thinking rehabilitation is possible.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:51 AM

 

What about this one?  You for or against it for him?

 

http://www.foxnews.c...-more-cops.html

You're trying too hard.

 

This p.o.s. clearly falls under the umbrella of what I laid out - for those irrefutably guilty......... Fry his ass, and make it hurt.



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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:52 AM

A drop in the bucket compared to the innocent victims of the murderers/rapists set free back into society by those thinking rehabilitation is possible.

You don't replant a bad seed; you dispose of it.

I'm sure you'd feel different if it were you on the hook, or a family member - wrongly convicted... Those aren't just "drop in the bucket" statistics, they're real people - and that's not right.



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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:00 AM

I believe most murderers can never be fully rehabilitated.  That particular crime crosses a line that there's no coming back from. 

 

But our current system of administering the death penalty has made this form of punishment almost useless in deterring the crime. 

 

I'm not a big eye for an eye" fan, as I don't think it really solves anything, and it feels a little antiquated.  On the other hand, I don't like the idea of US tax dollars being used to incarcerate these animals for life either.  

 

So, I don't exactly support the death penalty, but I can abide it for the most heinous criminals if it's expedited.  For others, I'd prefer to see solitary confinement with zero amenities or entertainment, no exercise time, no social interaction, no phone calls, no physical contact, and a strict diet of tofu and water for their remaining days.  



#31 Filthy Fernadez

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:05 AM

I'm sure you'd feel different if it were you on the hook, or a family member - wrongly convicted... Those aren't just "drop in the bucket" statistics, they're real people - and that's not right.


You'd feel different too if one of the murderers escaped and raped then killed a loved one of yours.

Problem with the anti-death penalty crowd is they don't want ANY of them killed. Also, they want more lenient sentencing as well for those not given the death penalty.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:09 AM

 

What about this one?  You for or against it for him?

 

http://www.foxnews.c...-more-cops.html

Personally I'd be for taking that POS out back of the courthouse that day to face a firing squad consisting of other officers from that department.


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:12 AM

You're trying too hard.

 

This p.o.s. clearly falls under the umbrella of what I laid out - for those irrefutably guilty......... Fry his ass, and make it hurt.

 

Not sure what you mean.  I was just providing a case that met your criteria to see if you meant what you said.  I'm glad you responded the way you did. 


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#34 Cruzer

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:17 AM

You'd feel different too if one of the murderers escaped and raped then killed a loved one of yours.

If there is irrefutable, concrete evidence to convict these p.o.s. - fry him - problem solved.



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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:22 AM

I'm torn on it also. I don't like giving the government that kind of power, but some of these bastards need to be put down other wise they find some freak chick that marries them and they continue the bloodline. 


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:29 AM

It may be a reach, but I have personally experienced a life altering event that put me squarely in the crosshairs of Justice... I've detailed it here before - long story short, I was a frog's ass hair away from being indicted and charged for the Capital Murder of my best friend (1991).. I was as far removed from the events that happened that night and couldn't be more innocent if God dropped down and told them himself - but it didn't matter... The Detectives and Tarrant County DA needed to clear a case, and I was going to be there man.

 

Entirely circumstantial, I was this close to being wrongly accused, and possibly convicted - I could have very easily ended up being one of those "drop in the bucket" statistics.

 

BTW - they eventually caught and convicted those 2 guys - they are both doing 40 years to life.



#37 NorthernVike

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:34 AM

It may be a reach, but I have personally experienced a life altering event that put me squarely in the crosshairs of Justice... I've detailed it here before - long story short, I was a frog's ass hair away from being indicted and charged for the Capital Murder of my best friend (1991).. I was as far removed from the events that happened that night and couldn't be more innocent if God dropped down and told them himself - but it didn't matter... The Detectives and Tarrant County DA needed to clear a case, and I was going to be there man.

 

Entirely circumstantial, I was this close to being wrongly accused, and possibly convicted - I could have very easily ended up being one of those "drop in the bucket" statistics.

 

BTW - they eventually caught and convicted those 2 guys - they are both doing 40 years to life.

To be fair, you all look alike.  :P


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#38 Cruzer

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:38 AM

To be fair, you all look alike.  :P

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:38 AM

What's your opinion on abortion?


Abort them, and avoid having to abort them in prison 50 years later.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:42 AM

To be fair, you all look alike.  :P

 

Also to be fair, there is no indication that he would actually have been convicted.  What evidence did they have?   Did he have an alibi?  And, if convicted, he still may not have gotten the death penalty.  Apparently, the guys who actually did it didn't.  So, not sure the relevance to the death penalty.


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