Phillip Seymour Hoffman, dead.

[edjr 7,034]

I have sympathy for people who struggle with drag and alcohol addiction, even if they're selfish. My brain isn't wired that way, I've dabbled in even hard stuff and not wanted to go back to it. People who know they're destroying themselves and their family and for whatever reason feel powerless to stop it, I feel bad for them.

 

Yup. Same here. I have a best friend that OD'd twice on the junk and a step bro that has been in jail.

 

When people are young, they often do stupid sh1t. Some are lucky enough they don't get addicted for life.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

To be fair, his kids were a major buzz-kill.

Good point. Still a selfish fukk.

 

At least he just offed himself and left his kids without a dad. Coulda been the worst kind of selfish fukk and offed his kids before they were born.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I have sympathy for people who struggle with drag and alcohol addiction, even if they're selfish. My brain isn't wired that way, I've dabbled in even hard stuff and not wanted to go back to it. People who know they're destroying themselves and their family and for whatever reason feel powerless to stop it, I feel bad for them.

 

You can try to understand and have compassion for addicts without condoning their behavior.

[NewbieJr 541]

Dude chose getting high over his kids.

 

Selfish fukk.

Says the guy who admitted that he doesn't bother driving to his own daughter's rodeos because they're over an hour away and she only rides a few seconds! World's Greatest Dad

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Says the guy who admitted that he doesn't bother driving to his own daughter's rodeos because they're over an hour away and she only rides a few seconds! World's Greatest Dad

You have no clue how many I go to, nor what I'm doing during the ones I miss.

 

Totally clueless, as usual.

[naomi 361]

When most anyone dies there's always that compulsion to overstate/glorify the good things about them. But I was trying to think of an actor who is/was actually better than PSH at the art of acting, and no one is coming to mind.

 

 

He could play anything.

[shotsup 836]

 

Incorrect.

 

He has been battling it for 23 years, off and on.

 

 

You sir are incorrect. He has been clean for 22 years but relapsed in May.

[NewbieJr 541]

You have no clue how many I go to, nor what I'm doing during the ones I miss.

 

Totally clueless, as usual.

Sorry Chump. Not pulling that out of my ass. Just repeating what you let slip out. Too bad so sad.

[posty 2,849]

When most anyone dies there's always that compulsion to overstate/glorify the good things about them. But I was trying to think of an actor who is/was actually better than PSH at the art of acting, and no one is coming to mind.

 

 

He could play anything.

He plays a dead guy extremely well...

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Sorry Chump. Not pulling that out of my ass. Just repeating what you let slip out. Too bad so sad.

Like I said, you are clueless.

 

It's hilarious you think anyone gives a ratsass about your opinion on parenting since your wife and kid kicked you out of their life.

 

What a failure.

 

[NewbieJr 541]

Like I said, you are clueless.

 

It's hilarious you think anyone gives a ratsass about your opinion on parenting since your wife and kid kicked you out of their life.

 

What a failure.

 

LOL. Why anyone whose ex transferred doctor's come into his mouth every night for 15+ years would bring up someone else's marriage is beyond me.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

You have no marriage, Loser.

 

[jerryskids 7,194]

Not to be that dumb pop culture guy but I certainly know who he was but really could not tell you one movie he was in. From the movies listed in this thread I think I only saw boogie nights and do not remember him in that. The only one I remember him is Catching Fire but only after reading it here.

 

He chased the dragon and lost.

+1. I looked at photos and still had nothing. Admittedly I don't watch a ton of movies, but other than knowing his name I got nuthin.

 

 

Yup. 50 unopened bags. For those that think he was merely being selfish are focking idiots. The dude was focked up and needed serious help.

Do they suspect him of dealing? That seems like a lot of stuff.

 

Good point. Still a selfish fukk.

 

At least he just offed himself and left his kids without a dad. Coulda been the worst kind of selfish fukk and offed his kids before they were born.

Ouch.

[kutulu 1,724]

From what I heard that could be less than a week's supply for a big time addict...I doubt he was dealing...maybe getting some for friends but not as a job.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

New York (CNN) - Four people thought to be connected to the drugs found in late actor Philip Seymour Hoffman's apartment were arrested Tuesday night, a law enforcement official told CNN.

 

During the raid that yielded the arrest of the three men and one woman, police recovered 350 glassine bags, the official said.

 

No additional information was released.

 

When police were called to Hoffman's fourth-floor Manhattan apartment Sunday, they found the actor lying on the bathroom floor with a syringe in his left arm. He was wearing shorts and a T-shirt, his eyeglasses still resting on his head, according to law enforcement sources familiar with the inquiry.

 

Investigators discovered close to 50 envelopes of what they believed was heroin in the apartment, the law enforcement sources said. They also found used syringes, prescription drugs and empty bags that authorities suspect are used to hold heroin, the sources said.

 

Preliminary tests Tuesday showed the heroin recovered from the apartment does not contain fentanyl, a law enforcement official told CNN.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,707]

I had a friend that was fifteen years sober from H. Lost him a few years ago. Got drunk one night and yahooed some black guys in the projects. Shot him dead when they caught him. It takes one relapse and you are dead. Motivation......I can do it one more time. Why not!

 

Sad.

[cbfalcon 828]

I've long thought him to be the best supporting actor of our generation. I just counted 18 of his films I've seen. His range was insane.

 

As for those here on their high horse about addiction.... Do you feel the same about everyone that smokes, gets drunk, doesn't wear sun screen every day, or over eats? Or are your opinions more vitriolic about an issue you have less or no experience with, and thus also know much less about?

 

Thinking it through, I suspect it's the type people that believe things like "If you have 3 kids, and that doesn't motivate you..." are likely the ones naive enough to end up as drug addicts. As they think it's as simple as an addict not wanting to be clean badly enough.

[wiffleball 4,797]

Now who's going to play the joker?

[parrot 790]

As for those here on their high horse about addiction.... Do you feel the same about everyone that smokes, gets drunk, doesn't wear sun screen every day, or over eats? Or are your opinions more vitriolic about an issue you have less or no experience with, and thus also know much less about?

 

 

 

I haven't offered any vitriolic, high-horse opinions, but the there are some pretty crappy comparisons here. Not wearing sunscreen is to shooting heroin as walking across the street is to jumping off a cliff in a wingsuit.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

 

I haven't offered any vitriolic, high-horse opinions, but the there are some pretty crappy comparisons here. Not wearing sunscreen is to shooting heroin as walking across the street is to jumping off a cliff in a wingsuit.

[peenie 2,005]

Got drunk one night and yahooed some black guys in the projects. Shot him dead when they caught him.

 

what does that mean exactly? was your friend black too?

[drobeski 3,061]

 

 

I haven't offered any vitriolic, high-horse opinions, but the there are some pretty crappy comparisons here. Not wearing sunscreen is to shooting heroin as walking across the street is to jumping off a cliff in a wingsuit.

pow

[5-Points 3,838]

I have sympathy for people who struggle with drag and alcohol addiction, I feel bad for them.

Well I guess you'd know how hard it is to put on eyeliner when you're drunk.

[rholio 340]

Enjoyed this one, fun character.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Well I guess you'd know how hard it is to put on eyeliner when you're drunk.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

I forgot about this scene. It's funny to me because I knew Claire George's daughter, and I met Claire. To meet him, you would have never known in a million years that he was the greatest intelligence agent the CIA ever had. But I guess that's why he was the best.

 

I cannot fault PSH for his drug use. Whatever made him a great actor is the same stuff that made him an addict. There are certain boundaries that many of us never cross, for better or worse he was willing to cross them all. I do not think the decision was a conscious one.

[drobeski 3,061]

do the herion addict sympathisers feel the same about, alcoholics, cigarette smokers etc. ?

[FeelingMN 273]

do the herion addict sympathisers feel the same about, alcoholics, cigarette smokers etc. ?

Lost my dad 4 months ago to a pulmonary embolism. He had just been diagnosed stage IV lung cancer and had just completed his first round of chemo.

 

He was a smoker for about 45 years. Tried to kick it multiple times but never did. It was frustrating because so many people quit smoking it seemed like he could have if he wanted to. But he never could.

 

Even after his cancer diagnosis...after having lost 55 pounds in 6 months....dude was still smoking. My brother and I think he kinda wanted to go...or at least wanted to go on his terms. But it didn't have to end like that for him.

 

He was smoking an electronic cigarette the last few days in the hospital. Hiding it from nurses/doctors. Funeral director found it on him and asked if we wanted to keep it. Nope....it's buried with him. How much of that was addiction? Stubbornness? Did he have some defect of will that made him incapable of quitting or was he so addicted that he couldn't quit? Have no idea....never been addicted to anything in my life.

 

It's a fine line. You get the sense that addicts want to quit....that they could if they just did this or that. It's really easy to talk like that on the sideline. But there is a struggle there. You see it. It's just that it must be a motherfocker to beat.

[drobeski 3,061]

Lost my dad 4 months ago to a pulmonary embolism. He had just been diagnosed stage IV lung cancer and had just completed his first round of chemo.

 

He was a smoker for about 45 years. Tried to kick it multiple times but never did. It was frustrating because so many people quit smoking it seemed like he could have if he wanted to. But he never could.

 

Even after his cancer diagnosis...after having lost 55 pounds in 6 months....dude was still smoking. My brother and I think he kinda wanted to go...or at least wanted to go on his terms. But it didn't have to end like that for him.

 

He was smoking an electronic cigarette the last few days in the hospital. Hiding it from nurses/doctors. Funeral director found it on him and asked if we wanted to keep it. Nope....it's buried with him. How much of that was addiction? Stubbornness? Did he have some defect of will that made him incapable of quitting or was he so addicted that he couldn't quit? Have no idea....never been addicted to anything in my life.

 

It's a fine line. You get the sense that addicts want to quit....that they could if they just did this or that. It's really easy to talk like that on the sideline. But there is a struggle there. You see it. It's just that it must be a motherfocker to beat.

sorry for your loss, stories like that should be major motivators for anyone to quit, same for heroin addict nightmares. I was just wondering though if those having the pity party for Hoffman feel the same about stories like your dads.

Im positive I've seen the same folks feeling bad for Phillip berating smokers viciously.

hypocrisy is a funny game

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Lost my dad 4 months ago to a pulmonary embolism. He had just been diagnosed stage IV lung cancer and had just completed his first round of chemo.

 

He was a smoker for about 45 years. Tried to kick it multiple times but never did. It was frustrating because so many people quit smoking it seemed like he could have if he wanted to. But he never could.

 

Even after his cancer diagnosis...after having lost 55 pounds in 6 months....dude was still smoking. My brother and I think he kinda wanted to go...or at least wanted to go on his terms. But it didn't have to end like that for him.

 

He was smoking an electronic cigarette the last few days in the hospital. Hiding it from nurses/doctors. Funeral director found it on him and asked if we wanted to keep it. Nope....it's buried with him. How much of that was addiction? Stubbornness? Did he have some defect of will that made him incapable of quitting or was he so addicted that he couldn't quit? Have no idea....never been addicted to anything in my life.

 

It's a fine line. You get the sense that addicts want to quit....that they could if they just did this or that. It's really easy to talk like that on the sideline. But there is a struggle there. You see it. It's just that it must be a motherfocker to beat.

 

Thanks for sharing the story FeelingMN, and sorry for your loss

[edjr 7,034]

Lost my dad 4 months ago to a pulmonary embolism. He had just been diagnosed stage IV lung cancer and had just completed his first round of chemo.

 

He was a smoker for about 45 years. Tried to kick it multiple times but never did. It was frustrating because so many people quit smoking it seemed like he could have if he wanted to. But he never could.

 

Even after his cancer diagnosis...after having lost 55 pounds in 6 months....dude was still smoking. My brother and I think he kinda wanted to go...or at least wanted to go on his terms. But it didn't have to end like that for him.

 

He was smoking an electronic cigarette the last few days in the hospital. Hiding it from nurses/doctors. Funeral director found it on him and asked if we wanted to keep it. Nope....it's buried with him. How much of that was addiction? Stubbornness? Did he have some defect of will that made him incapable of quitting or was he so addicted that he couldn't quit? Have no idea....never been addicted to anything in my life.

 

It's a fine line. You get the sense that addicts want to quit....that they could if they just did this or that. It's really easy to talk like that on the sideline. But there is a struggle there. You see it. It's just that it must be a motherfocker to beat.

 

Sorry to hear.

 

Must be nice to hear what selfish focks addicts are, right?

 

 

My mother smoked for 35 years, started at 13, stopped at 48 when she died from her 2nd bought with lung cancer.

 

1st time she had a lung removed, started smoking right when she got out of the hospital. Left behind a 12 year old son at the time.

 

Selfish fock

 

I hate smokers and people that smoke with such a passion. They sicken me to no end, just like heroin users. However, I still know it's an addiction and it's not easy to quit. To judge them as selfish is just focking moronic.

[Frank M 181]

There is a saying in 12 Step programs: There are no bad examples, only examples of what you want to be like and examples of what you don't want to be like.

 

I've seen deaths like this countless times in the 25 years I've been sober, and my feeling is always sadness because overdosing or crashing your car drunk or cirrhosis are the most preventable deaths in the world.

 

My other feeling is "Better them than me" and "Good reminder of what I don't want to do or be."

[edjr 7,034]

There is a saying in 12 Step programs: There are no bad examples, only examples of what you want to be like and examples of what you don't want to be like.

 

I've seen deaths like this countless times in the 25 years I've been sober, and my feeling is always sadness because overdosing or crashing your car drunk or cirrhosis are the most preventable deaths in the world.

 

My other feeling is "Better them than me" and "Good reminder of what I don't want to do or be."

 

[cyclone24 1,940]

If you want to call it judgmental so be it......but if you do obviously horrible things to your body and leave your children early.....yes...it's selfish. Not sure how it could be viewed any other way......IMO..every time they light up...it's essentially a middle finger to their kids.

 

And all the above examples....didn't have anyone who had quit their addiction for TWO DECADES!!! ....and then decided to go back.

 

I have compassion for those with addiction.....I don't have compassion for someone who consciously went back after kicking his habit for 20 years.

[parrot 790]

There is a saying in 12 Step programs: There are no bad examples, only examples of what you want to be like and examples of what you don't want to be like.

 

I've seen deaths like this countless times in the 25 years I've been sober, and my feeling is always sadness because overdosing or crashing your car drunk or cirrhosis are the most preventable deaths in the world.

 

My other feeling is "Better them than me" and "Good reminder of what I don't want to do or be."

[Frank M 181]

If you want to call it judgmental so be it......but if you do obviously horrible things to your body and leave your children early.....yes...it's selfish. Not sure how it could be viewed any other way......IMO..every time they light up...it's essentially a middle finger to their kids.

 

And all the above examples....didn't have anyone who had quit their addiction for TWO DECADES!!! ....and then decided to go back.

 

I have compassion for those with addiction.....I don't have compassion for someone who consciously went back after kicking his habit for 20 years.

 

Daily vigilance is hard, dude. Most people who fall off the wagon started falling long before it actually happened. It's not likely that he got up one day and decided to shoot heroin. What's more likely is that he got up a lot of days in a row and didn't do what he was supposed to do to prevent himself from shooting heroin..

 

Sobriety time means nothing if the alcoholic/addict neglects to do the necessary daily work to stay sober.

[DankNuggs 305]

Says the guy who admitted that he doesn't bother driving to his own daughter's rodeos because they're over an hour away and she only rides a few seconds! World's Greatest Dad

 

Newbie just owned RP...

[cyclone24 1,940]

Daily vigilance is hard, dude. Most people who fall off the wagon started falling long before it actually happened. It's not likely that he got up one day and decided to shoot heroin. What's more likely is that he got up a lot of days in a row and didn't do what he was supposed to do to prevent himself from shooting heroin..

 

Sobriety time means nothing if the alcoholic/addict neglects to do the necessary daily work to stay sober.

And I can understand that and can sympathize .......but to NOT do that work...when he had three kids.....id classify as selfish and irresponsible.

[edjr 7,034]

And I can understand that and can sympathize .......but to NOT do that work...when he had three kids.....id classify as selfish and irresponsible.

 

You're acting like it's a conscious decision. IT ISN'T! It's totally irrational and when things aren't going your way, some people fall back to what they know.

[Frank M 181]

And I can understand that and can sympathize .......but to NOT do that work...when he had three kids.....id classify as selfish and irresponsible.

 

The defining personality trait of the alcoholic/addict is selfishness and self-centeredness, so that's true.

 

I get where you're coming from. He knew a better way, so why go back? Speaks to the depth that addiction can get to, I suppose.