President Obama commutes the sentences of 46 drug offenders

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One of them was a guy doing 2x life sentences for selling 800$ worth of LSD as a 23 y/o Grateful Dead fan! Double life for LSD!

 

Our justice system is so focked up, in regards to drug offenses. Thanks Reagan!

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/13/politics/obama-commutes-sentences-drug-offenders/index.html

 

President Barack Obama commuted the prison sentences of 46 drug offenders, saying in a video posted online Monday that the men and women were not "hardened criminals" and their punishments didn't match the crimes they committed. Obama said the move was part of his larger attempt to reform the criminal justice system, including reviewing sentencing laws and reducing punishments for non-violent crimes."I believe that at its heart, America is a nation of second chances, and I believe these folks deserve their second chance," Obama said in the video. The move brings the number of Obama's commutations to nearly 90. Most of those have been for federal prisoners incarcerated for drug offenses, who under current sentencing guidelines would have already finished serving time in prison. The White House on Monday posted a letter Obama wrote to one of the prisoners whose sentence was commuted. "I am granting your application because you have demonstrated the potential to turn your life around," Obama wrote. "Now it is up to you to make the most of this opportunity. It will not be easy, and you will confront many who doubt people with criminal records can change. Perhaps even you are unsure of how you will adjust to your new circumstances. But remember that you have the capacity to make good choices." Later this week, Obama is expected to discuss his plans for criminal justice reform further. He travels Tuesday to Philadelphia to speak at the annual convention of the NAACP, and on Thursday will become the first president to visit a federal prison when he tours the El Reno facility in Oklahoma. "Over the last few years a lot of people have become aware of the inequities in the criminal justice system," Obama said in the video. "Right now, with our overall crime rate and incarceration rate both falling, we're at a moment when some good people in both parties, Republicans and Democrats and folks all across the country, are coming up with ideas to make the system work smarter and better."

[DankNuggs 305]

:golfclap:

[mobb_deep 920]

:golfclap:

 

You think drug addicts and non-violent criminals should do life in prison? Dude sells some acid to another deadhead and gets life without parole. You might not care, but I'm sure he does.

[cmh6476 1,126]

Another list I didn't make

[DankNuggs 305]

 

You think drug addicts and non-violent criminals should do life in prison? Dude sells some acid to another deadhead and gets life without parole. You might not care, but I'm sure he does.

no i probably agree with most of them, not knowing all the specifics...

 

Better than Arnold commuting the son of his democratic ally who is a flat out murderer and stabbed a guy to death...

[Thornton Melon 648]

Good. As long as they were non-violent, and not selling drugs to kids, they should've been out already, or not even there in the first place.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Assuming they're all in there for non-violent crimes I 100% agree. Drug sentencing laws used to be crazy stupid. Still are to some extent but much less-so

[BunnysBastatrds 2,597]

You don't get two life sentences for selling acid. There is more to this story. There is a reason they left out his name in the story.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Good. As long as they were non-violent, and not selling drugs to kids, they should've been out already, or not even there in the first place.

Bingo

[mobb_deep 920]

You don't get two life sentences for selling acid. There is more to this story. There is a reason they left out his name in the story.

 

If you watch the video on the link, it says his name and shows his charges.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_L._Tyler

[Mike Honcho 5,432]

Probably all of Barry's former dealers.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Good. As long as they were non-violent, and not selling drugs to kids, they should've been out already, or not even there in the first place.

This was my first reaction

[KSB2424 3,173]

You don't get two life sentences for selling acid. There is more to this story. There is a reason they left out his name in the story.

And this was my second reaction. Seems a bit odd. There has to be more to it.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

You don't get two life sentences for selling acid. There is more to this story. There is a reason they left out his name in the story.

He could have prior drug crimes. But not necessarily. The drug laws were unbelievably draconian for a while there

[Mike Honcho 5,432]

no i probably agree with most of them, not knowing all the specifics...

 

Better than Arnold commuting the son of his democratic ally who is a flat out murderer and stabbed a guy to death...

 

In case people aren't up on this story...it's pretty crazy.

 

Arnold Schwarzenegger's last act as governor still follows the Terminator

[Vikings4ever 568]

 

In case people aren't up on this story...it's pretty crazy.

 

Arnold Schwarzenegger's last act as governor still follows the Terminator

Presidents and governors should lose pardoning/commuting powers from election day until the beginning of the next term (or completely if they are voted out). If they believe in a pardon/commutation, they should have to face the political repercussions of it.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

And this was my second reaction. Seems a bit odd. There has to be more to it.

Perhaps the site of the sale was within so many feet of a school or church. As I recall, the drug free school zones act was pretty harsh until scotus invalidated it.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Presidents and governors should lose pardoning/commuting powers from election day until the beginning of the next term (or completely if they are voted out). If they believe in a pardon/commutation, they should have to face the political repercussions of it.

Disagree. IMO it is the responsibility of the electorate to elect only executives who will exercise their power properly.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Disagree. IMO it is the responsibility of the electorate to elect only executives who will exercise their power properly.

I agree in the spirit of what you say, but with money pulling all the strings we usually don't get a decent candidate to choose from.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,597]

Disagree. IMO it is the responsibility of the electorate to elect only executives who will exercise their power properly.

 

 

The way Clinton did with Mark Rich?

[Cloaca du jour 2,157]

Fake outrage...victimless crime

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

 

The way Clinton did with Mark Rich?

I'm not sure what you're getting at here? Did I say something that indicated to you that I supported Clinton's pardons?

[MDC 7,881]

 

 

The way Clinton did with Mark Rich?

Clinton!

[NewbieJr 541]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here? Did I say something that indicated to you that I supported Clinton's pardons?

Bunny has lost his mind. Are you really expecting him to make sense?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Bunny has lost his mind. Are you really expecting him to make sense?

Avoiding complete non-sequiturs would be a start

[posty 2,809]

Last time I checked, all Presidents pardon someone that is questionable...

[BunnysBastatrds 2,597]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here? Did I say something that indicated to you that I supported Clinton's pardons?

 

 

Just responding to your post.

 

 

Did Clinton exersize his power properly? He was a two term term president. The electorate wasn't responsible?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

 

Just responding to your post.

 

Did Clinton exersize his power properly? He was a two term term president. The electorate wasn't responsible?

If the pardon was done because of political donations, which certainly seems likely, then I would say that was an "improper" pardon.

 

It's one question that goes into the mix of who you vote for -- "will this guy properly exercise his pardon authority"? It's along the lines of whether he will nominate the right sort of jurist for the Supreme Court or whether he will use his veto or executive action powers properly.

 

I hope that helps? I'm still not quite sure what you're getting at but you seem to want some acknowledgement that Clinton did some improper things, so there you go

[BunnysBastatrds 2,597]

If the pardon was done because of political donations, which certainly seems likely, then I would say that was an "improper" pardon.

 

It's one question that goes into the mix of who you vote for -- "will this guy properly exercise his pardon authority"? It's along the lines of whether he will nominate the right sort of jurist for the Supreme Court or whether he will use his veto or executive action powers properly.

 

I hope that helps? I'm still not quite sure what you're getting at but you seem to want some acknowledgement that Clinton did some improper things, so there you go

 

 

I was agreeing with Vikings and questioning your response by giving you an example. I chose Rich because that was a great example of abusing pardoning powers.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

 

I was agreeing with Vikings and questioning your response by giving you an example. I chose Rich because that was a great example of abusing pardoning powers.

Of course it was a great one. Bet you can't name another though.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,597]

Of course it was a great one. Bet you can't name another though.

 

 

Your boy Steinbrenner?

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

 

Your boy Steinbrenner?

Very good. So why not use that one or at least mention it along with clintons?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

 

I was agreeing with Vikings and questioning your response by giving you an example. I chose Rich because that was a great example of abusing pardoning powers.

Well like I said, it's part of the mix. If I could go back and do it over again I would vote for Clinton even though he would end up pardoning Rich. I guess it just depends how much that issue matters to you in relation to the many other criteria you weigh in selecting a candidate to vote for

[ZeroTolerance 584]

You don't get two life sentences for selling acid. There is more to this story. There is a reason they left out his name in the story.

 

In 1992, at age 24, he was sentenced to life in prison without parole because his two prior drug convictions (for which he did not serve prison time) triggered the federal three-strikes law.^[2][3]The judge could not consider Tyler’s drug addiction, lack of violent conduct, mental health issues, or youth when sentencing.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

We have the highest incarceration rate of any first world country. What is criminal is that he only pardoned 46 people and not 460,000 people.

 

Even if he pardoned 460,000 people that would still leave 1.8 million in jail.

[Strike 6,018]

Always knew Barry was a closet Bronco's fan.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13250832/demaryius-thomas-mother-sentence-commuted

 

 

 

:banana:

[wiffleball 4,797]

watch the movie snitch with Dwayne Johnson. Not only is it a pretty great movie, but it really highlights the problems with mandatory minimum sentences for first time offenders.

[rholio 339]

We have the highest incarceration rate of any first world country. What is criminal is that he only pardoned 46 people and not 460,000 people.

 

Even if he pardoned 460,000 people that would still leave 1.8 million in jail.

If he pardoned 460,000 people, the thread here would be about the number of unemployed people growing by that number in a single week.

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Better than Arnold commuting the son of his democratic ally who is a flat out murderer and stabbed a guy to death...

 

As a Geek Club ambassador from Texas, I gotta ask: Did he need killin'?

[ZeroTolerance 584]

 

As a Geek Club ambassador from Texas, I gotta ask: Did he need killin'?

 

It was October 2008, and prosecutors alleged that Esteban Nunez and Ryan Jett were fueling their anger with alcohol. They had just been denied entry to a fraternity party near the campus of San Diego State University (neither were students there), and they were looking for revenge. The Sacramento natives were going to show them how it was done "in Sac town," the pair boasted, according to court records.

"They decided they were going to either burn a frat house or they were going to stab some people," Dumanis said.

Armed with knives, they walked the streets at 2 a.m. until they encountered Luis Santos and a friend. After an initial altercation, Luis called several more friends who ran to his aid.

"It was a melee basically, where two of the boys were stabbed. One went into an induced coma," Dumanis said. "Luis was stabbed, and one got smashed in the eye."

"My boy's dying, my boy's dying," Luis' friend screamed to a 911 dispatcher.

"Stay awake Luis, stay awake," another friend sobbed.

A knife pierced the left ventricle of Luis' heart. He died at the scene.

Later that same night, Nunez, Jett and two others piled into a car and headed north to Sacramento. Surveillance video at a 7-Eleven captured Jett and Nunez leaving the store with a Big Gulp cup. They filled it with $1.30 worth of gasoline and used it to burn their weapons and bloody clothes, throwing the items into the Sacramento River and agreeing to never speak of the incident.