Jon Benet Ramsey

[wiffleball 4,790]

Well, we beat the hell out of the OJ re-hash, so let's move on to this.

 

 

The brother has a two parter on Dr. Phil and there's a whole series built around it coming out this fall.

 

 

[shotsup 832]

He did it ?

[tanatastic 2,062]

She would have been pretty fine by now.

[Cruzer 1,995]

There is an eye test that just doesn't add up - with the family I mean.

[fandandy 3,313]

Her brother is suing CBS for $750 Million

 

http://deadline.com/2016/12/jonbenet-ramsey-brother-sues-cbs-over-the-case-of-docuseries-1201876593/

[IGotWorms 4,058]

She would have been pretty fine by now.

I lol'd

[Djgb13 2,339]

Her brother is suing CBS for $750 Million

 

http://deadline.com/2016/12/jonbenet-ramsey-brother-sues-cbs-over-the-case-of-docuseries-1201876593/

Well that's a bit much don't you think?

[Drizzay 720]

Boulder is a focked up city.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,440]

Boulder is a focked up city.

I ate a fat chick out once from there. It was an over the shoulder bolder holder.I had more DNA on my face than that crime scene.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Not to sound uncaring, but she dead.

 

She ain't getting any un-deader.

 

If the media is going to spend their resources on an unsolved crime,

 

I'd much rather they give the airtime to solving Madelline McCann.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Count me in for the douche brother, with an assist from the psychopathic mom.

 

- Abbott and Costello wouldn't have botched the investigation as badly as the ding dongs in the Boulder PD did.

 

- Not only did the BPD allow 1/2 the neighborhood into the house, they allowed all kinds of people to handle the ransom note.

 

- Who goes to the trouble to write out a novel length ransom note, only to kill the hostage right away - before you even leave the house or give the family time to pay, or at least sweat a bit?

 

- Speaking of the note, these "killers" didn't even have a note with them, they actually took the time to compose it there? They figured, what the hell, we'll just write it up when we get there, getting away with the child right away isn't a concern?

 

- Who in the hell writes a ransom note that long to begin with? And who in the hell comes up with a $118k figure?

 

And they got away with it - unbelievable.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,264]

I remember when the parents were walking out of the crime scene and they were laughing about something with the cop who was escorting them to the police station. As a kid I thought right then they had something to do with it and they were despicable focks.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

Never followed this one. What would be the motive for the parents/brother?

[wiffleball 4,790]

I saw snippets of the interview with the brother and Dr. Phil.

 

Brother was smirking, grinning, evasive, looking away -

 

And the worst part was Phil was trying to explain it away.

 

Its been a dozen years and I sure as hell can't 'smirk'

 

when talking about my brother.

 

Civil suit won't make it anywhere.

[cyclone24 1,913]

I saw snippets of the interview with the brother and Dr. Phil.

 

Brother was smirking, grinning, evasive, looking away -

 

And the worst part was Phil was trying to explain it away.

 

Its been a dozen years and I sure as hell can't 'smirk'

 

when talking about my brother.

 

Civil suit won't make it anywhere.

 

Jesus

 

 

Focking

 

 

Christ

 

 

Wiff.

[Gepetto 1,368]

You all can say whatever theory you want based on the brother's personality quirks or affect or whatever when he answers questions about the crime; you can come to conclusions that the brother did it and the mom wrote the ransom note.

 

BUT, there is no evidence that proves the brother, mom, or father did it or covered it up for another of the family.

 

There is evidence of DNA from an unidentified white male both in the underwear and longjohns that Jonbenet was wearing when she was murdered.

 

The head wound was massive and the garrote was used to tighten the ligature very very tight around that poor little girl's neck. That to me indicates someone very evil did this. Sure, maybe it was the brother, but to me without evidence and no other criminal record on him, pretty hard to make a case. But maybe the family didn't do it. Seems more likely someone who enters homes for thrill and kills for thrill did it, to me anyway.

[wiffleball 4,790]

And what? Thrill Killer never did I before or since?

 

I'm going with Occam's Razor on this one.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Of course the killer did it before and since. Maybe he's dead, maybe he's in prison, maybe he's still free and killing. There are still killers out there that will never be brought to justice or will be decades later.

 

There have been a couple of other very high profile killings of children with ransom notes that were disguised as a kidnapping or started out as a kidnapping.

[Gepetto 1,368]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindbergh_kidnapping

[Cruzer 1,995]

The missing piece that doesn't fit is the pineapple in Jonbenet's stomach. She had to have eaten it shortly before her death - and both her parents claim to not given her any... Yet, her brother's prints were on the bowl of pineapple.. Also interesting, John Ramsey claims she came home and went straight to bed.

 

So someone lured her out of bed, fed her pineapple, w/out anyone in the house hearing or seeing anything, killed her, then the killer(s) stuck around to write a 3 page ransom note - that just happen to be for the exact amount of John Ramsey's bonus ($118k)....?

 

C'mon man.

[frank 2,306]

The missing piece that doesn't fit is the pineapple in Jonbenet's stomach. She had to have eaten it shortly before her death - and both her parents claim to not given her any... Yet, her brother's prints were on the bowl of pineapple.. Also interesting, John Ramsey claims she came home and went straight to bed.

 

So someone lured her out of bed, fed her pineapple, w/out anyone in the house hearing or seeing anything, killed her, then the killer(s) stuck around to write a 3 page ransom note - that just happen to be for the exact amount of John Ramsey's bonus ($118k)....?

 

C'mon man.

You know waaaaay too much about this.

[Cruzer 1,995]

You know waaaaay too much about this.

I know right?

 

I actually have a creepy fascination with serial killers and murderers in general.. The Green River Killer, the BTK killer, Ted Bundy, Kenneth McDuff, Richard Ramirez, Darlie Routier, the Long Island killer, Glenn Rogers, etc.. I read all I can on them, and others.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

The missing piece that doesn't fit is the pineapple in Jonbenet's stomach. She had to have eaten it shortly before her death - and both her parents claim to not given her any... Yet, her brother's prints were on the bowl of pineapple.. Also interesting, John Ramsey claims she came home and went straight to bed.

 

So someone lured her out of bed, fed her pineapple, w/out anyone in the house hearing or seeing anything, killed her, then the killer(s) stuck around to write a 3 page ransom note - that just happen to be for the exact amount of John Ramsey's bonus ($118k)....?

 

C'mon man.

What kind of parent doesn't look in on their kid before going to bed? I look in first thing when I get home, and then again when I hit the sack.

[Gepetto 1,368]

The missing piece that doesn't fit is the pineapple in Jonbenet's stomach. She had to have eaten it shortly before her death - and both her parents claim to not given her any... Yet, her brother's prints were on the bowl of pineapple.. Also interesting, John Ramsey claims she came home and went straight to bed.

 

So someone lured her out of bed, fed her pineapple, w/out anyone in the house hearing or seeing anything, killed her, then the killer(s) stuck around to write a 3 page ransom note - that just happen to be for the exact amount of John Ramsey's bonus ($118k)....?

 

C'mon man.

 

I know all of this. However, it was recently revealed there was actually more than just pineapple, there was also grape skins found and another fruit (I can't remember), like a fruit salad or fruit cocktail is what she actually ate. Maybe she had this fruit with pineapple at the Whites or even before she went to the White's around say 4:30 or 5 pm. That bowl of pineapple is in a very strange location on the table, it's not in front of a chair. All of the place mats are in front of chairs, all chairs are tucked in, and there are two ginger bread houses on the table. The bowl of pineapple in milk is completely full of pineapple and no other fruit. It could have been planted by the police, yes really, I would not even doubt the Boulder police would do that, they made up many lies or just had bad interpretations of evidence as well. Why is there no other fruit in that bowl? That is a bigger clue, and why I think the police planted it. The bowl could have been used by Burke and in the sink already and just taken out, or maybe Burke was going to have pineapple and didn't finish it because he had to go the neighbor's that morning. The bowl of pineapple could have been prepared that morning when all of those people were over there all morning and afternoon. the pineapple really proves nothing. Transit times of fruit such as pineapple have been stated by science to vary from 45 minutes to hours, depending on the weight of the person, other food they ate how much they drank and when and just variance between different individuals. JonBenet's fingerprints were NOT on the bowl or spoon.

 

There was documentation in the house about the $118,000. That could have been known by someone jealous and angry against Ramsey who had worked with him; or could have been found in the house by an intruder who had the run of the house for hours while the Ramsey's were gone for Christmas dinner at the White's. Or it could have even been a coincidence that it was a number close to his bonus.

[Gepetto 1,368]

What kind of parent doesn't look in on their kid before going to bed? I look in first thing when I get home, and then again when I hit the sack.

 

John Ramsey carried her to bed. And Patsy likely tucked her in as she always did including tying a second pony tail in her hair and putting on pajama type clothing.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

I know right?

 

I actually have a creepy fascination with serial killers and murderers in general.. The Green River Killer, the BTK killer, Ted Bundy, Kenneth McDuff, Richard Ramirez, Darlie Routier, the Long Island killer, Glenn Rogers, etc.. I read all I can on them, and others.

Great book - "whoever fights monsters" on the subject. FBI profiling of serial killers. About 25 years old but great.

[Cruzer 1,995]

I know all of this. However, it was recently revealed there was actually more than just pineapple, there was also grape skins found and another fruit (I can't remember), like a fruit salad or fruit cocktail is what she actually ate. Maybe she had this fruit with pineapple at the Whites or even before she went to the White's around say 4:30 or 5 pm. That bowl of pineapple is in a very strange location on the table, it's not in front of a chair. All of the place mats are in front of chairs, all chairs are tucked in, and there are two ginger bread houses on the table. The bowl of pineapple in milk is completely full of pineapple and no other fruit. It could have been planted by the police, yes really, I would not even doubt the Boulder police would do that, they made up many lies or just had bad interpretations of evidence as well. Why is there no other fruit in that bowl? That is a bigger clue, and why I think the police planted it. The bowl could have been used by Burke and in the sink already and just taken out, or maybe Burke was going to have pineapple and didn't finish it because he had to go the White's that morning. The bowl of pineapple could have been prepared that morning when all of those people were over there all morning and afternoon. the pineapple really proves nothing. Transit times of fruit such as pineapple have been stated by science to vary from 45 minutes to hours, depending on the weight of the person, other food they ate how much they drank and when and just variance between different individuals.

 

There was documentation in the house about the $118,000. That could have been known by someone jealous and angry against Ramsey who had worked with him; or could have been found in the house by an intruder who had the run of the house for hours while the Ramsey's were gone for Christmas dinner at the White's. Or it could have even been a coincidence that it was a number close to his bonus.

You think it's likely the Boulder PD planted evidence AND that the killer maybe just randomly pulled a figure of $118k out of thin air? Yea, not buying that either.. But since you're suggesting this, guess it makes sense to you the killer took the time to write out a 3 page ransom note, in the house, risking being seen, then said what the hell, went on ahead and killed her anyway..?

[Cruzer 1,995]

Great book - "whoever fights monsters" on the subject. FBI profiling of serial killers. About 25 years old but great.

Cool thanks. Will definitely check it out.

[Gepetto 1,368]

You think it's likely the Boulder PD planted evidence AND that the killer maybe just randomly pulled a figure of $118k out of thin air? Yea, not buying that either.. But since you're suggesting this, guess it makes sense to you the killer took the time to write out a 3 page ransom note, in the house, risking being seen, then said what the hell, went on ahead and killed her anyway..?

 

No, I'm not saying both of those things occurred. I'm just saying there are many explanations for the bowl of pineapple being on the table and there are many explanations for the $118,000 figure. Neither of those items or both of them together means the brother, mother or father had anything to do with this. Some real evidence would be needed.

[Gepetto 1,368]

I'm saying the ransom note was written in the house while the Ramsey's were out, before they got home and before she was killed.

 

The ransom note was a diversion, placed at the bottom of the stairs on the main floor so that the parents wouldn't search the basement right away.

[GobbleDog 996]

I'm saying the ransom note was written in the house while the Ramsey's were out, before they got home and before she was killed.

 

The ransom note was a diversion, placed at the bottom of the stairs on the main floor so that the parents wouldn't search the basement right away.

 

That damn ransom note screwed everything up. No ransom note - every possible scenario you can think of works and makes reasonable sense. But with the ransom note and the weird specifics stated in it, nothing makes any sense. From the brother, to mom, to the dad, to the psycho theory, to the burglar, etc.

 

The brother killer / mom and dad cover-up theory sorta fit best, but even that was hard to swallow. .

[Gepetto 1,368]

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682449/Analysis%20of%20undrtheradar

[Gepetto 1,368]

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682522/undrtheradar%20email%20to%20AP

[IGotWorms 4,058]

It's obvious the family killed her. Why is the question

[gutterslut 1]

Not that it probably has anything to do with this case but Mr Ramsey had a daughter from a previous marriage die in a car accident.

I don't remember hearing any further details concerning it.

[RLLD 4,230]

I know right?

 

I actually have a creepy fascination with serial killers and murderers in general.. The Green River Killer, the BTK killer, Ted Bundy, Kenneth McDuff, Richard Ramirez, Darlie Routier, the Long Island killer, Glenn Rogers, etc.. I read all I can on them, and others.

 

Same here, though I never got into the Ramsey case. Do you also go back and watch all the old Dateline and 48 hours episodes as well?

[Cruzer 1,995]

I'm saying the ransom note was written in the house while the Ramsey's were out, before they got home and before she was killed.

 

The ransom note was a diversion, placed at the bottom of the stairs on the main floor so that the parents wouldn't search the basement right away.

I'm all for alternative theories - but even with alternative theories, there has to be at least an ounce of reason to go along with them.

 

In your theory here you're suggesting (1) the killer broke into the house well before they got home (2) took the time to write out a 3 page ransom note and then (3) killed her anyway? That just doesn't make sense.

 

Then the note itself... Again you (as the killer) went to all the trouble of breaking in early, risked being discovered, took the painstaking time time write a 3 pager, randomly pulled the figure of $118k out of thin air, placed the note on the stairwell - all for a "diversion"? .... You already killed her and you already left the house - what purpose does a diversion serve you, why do you care? ...None of that makes any sense.

 

The pineapple meaning can be debated - but the ransom note is what completely blows up the 'rogue killer' theory. And the irony is they did it thinking it would divert attention away from the family.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Same here, though I never got into the Ramsey case. Do you also go back and watch all the old Dateline and 48 hours episodes as well?

I have the dvr set to automatically record all of them.

[gutterslut 1]

Good grief, I just read that John Ramsey dated Beth Holloway after Patsy died. Beth is the mother of Natalee Holloway who disappeared in Aruba.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Tell you another thing fishy about the ransom note... Isn't the entire point of a said ransom note to draw attention away from the house, to point it at an outsider? Isn't a ransom note going to get the police looking at any and all possible (outside) suspects? If you're goal all along was to break into a house and kill a small girl - why would you want people looking for you? Why would you invite suspicion? Are you wanting to get caught? Wouldn't you welcome the authorities looking at the family, wouldn't you want the cops as far away from you as possible? .... Again, you've already gotten away with it and left the house - why not disappear into the night, with as little trace tying you to the scene as possible, like 99% of all other killers?