fandandy 3,311 Posted November 30, 2016 Hmmm. Ford, Carrier. Who's next? Trump ain't even President yet and he's getting more done than Obama ever did. Unreal. Keep up the good work President Trump! MAGA! https://www.yahoo.com/news/carrier-says-deal-trump-keep-jobs-indiana-012011271--finance.html Air conditioning company Carrier said Tuesday that it had reached a deal with President-elect Donald Trump to keep nearly 1,000 jobs in Indiana. Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence planned to travel to the state Thursday to unveil the agreement alongside company officials. Trump spent much of his campaign pledging to keep companies like Carrier from moving jobs overseas. His focus on manufacturing jobs contributed to his unexpected appeal with working-class voters in states like Michigan, which has long voted for Democrats in presidential elections. The details of the agreement were unclear. Carrier tweeted that the company was "pleased to have reached a deal" with Trump and Pence to keep the jobs in Indianapolis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,653 Posted November 30, 2016 Obama didn't give 2 shites about those people. Good job out of Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,653 Posted November 30, 2016 You know what's so great about it? He did it now, didn't back burner it till he takes over. Gave those people peace of mind. Too bad some of them will still lose their jobs (details) because Obama didn't fight it from the jump. Golfing and Jay-Zing I guess Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 1,918 Posted November 30, 2016 Middle America has spoken. And it's time to reward them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,653 Posted November 30, 2016 I have a feeling this will be a libtard free thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,560 Posted November 30, 2016 Pro-Free Trade Democrats .... hello? .... hello? ... Free trade Democrats? ... Are you taking notes? ... hello? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,653 Posted November 30, 2016 But, but he can't do anything about those jobs leaving. Remember that cry from the left? Took him what, 2 weeks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted November 30, 2016 Good move. Not all that surprising really. I'm sure Pence has been all over this for awhile. I'd like to get a better understanding of what their parent company's (United Technologies) long term goals are for keeping mfg jobs stateside. Anybody know much about their other divisions and how much is produced off shore? Elevators, aircraft etc? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 2,710 Posted November 30, 2016 Can't wait to hear the criticism on this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,035 Posted November 30, 2016 Waiting to hear details of the deal before commenting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted November 30, 2016 Good news for those hardworking families. Read a quote from a longtime employee and she was relieved to keep her job so she could help her kid through college. It'll be interesting to hear what incentive they had to keep jobs here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,091 Posted November 30, 2016 Good news for those hardworking families. Read a quote from a longtime employee and she was relieved to keep her job so she could help her kid through college. It'll be interesting to hear what incentive they had to keep jobs here. My guess would be, property tax abatements, expanded sales tax exemptions, state and federal income tax credits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fandandy 3,311 Posted November 30, 2016 My guess would be, property tax abatements, expanded sales tax exemptions, state and federal income tax credits. 10% of the parent companies profits come from government contracts, the Pentagon being their largest client, so possibly some sort of threat as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drizzay 646 Posted November 30, 2016 It's great and all, but why is Carrier "making a deal" with the President Elect? What deal could he possibly be making? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted November 30, 2016 Waiting to hear details of the deal before commenting. Bingo...on the surface its a great deal. But like the auto bailouts (which those praising this likely bashed), lets see what the details are and how it affects us as taxpayers. If they gave up the farm in tax subsidies to keep 1000 jobs was it worth it? For those workers, sure...for the rest of us, maybe not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 3,979 Posted November 30, 2016 Bingo...on the surface its a great deal. But like the auto bailouts (which those praising this likely bashed), lets see what the details are and how it affects us as taxpayers. If they gave up the farm in tax subsidies to keep 1000 jobs was it worth it? For those workers, sure...for the rest of us, maybe not. Apples and Oranges. The auto bailout used public money to pick winners and losers in the private market and therefore deserved to be criticized. This is a private citizen dealing with a company on his own and without offering public funds. He's not even President yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,035 Posted November 30, 2016 Bingo...on the surface its a great deal. But like the auto bailouts (which those praising this likely bashed), lets see what the details are and how it affects us as taxpayers. If they gave up the farm in tax subsidies to keep 1000 jobs was it worth it? For those workers, sure...for the rest of us, maybe not. The scuttlebutt I'm seeing is that Indiana taxpayers will be subsiding Carrier to save the 1000 jobs. If true, it's ironic in that DT criticized the subsidies(loan) to GM but is "winning" by subsidizing Carrier? The devil is in the details(and there are macro considerations---1000 jobs, by one company produces a lot more jobs in support), but it's tough to see how this isn't a net loss for Indiana. Also, will DT give subsidies and incentives to any business that threatens to leave for cheaper labor elsewhere...that's not sustainable. Again, this is all speculation right now, have to see the cost before anyone can accurately comment and claim this is a win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,035 Posted November 30, 2016 Apples and Oranges. The auto bailout used public money to pick winners and losers in the private market and therefore deserved to be criticized. This is a private citizen dealing with a company on his own and without offering public funds. He's not even President yet. A private citizen and the Governor of the STATE the company is located in. Cmon man, you have no clue if it's apples and oranges, cause you don't know what Trump/Pence promised(how do you know public funds aren't being used), slow your roll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted November 30, 2016 It can't be anything than a general understanding at this point...people who aren't in office can't make "deals" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,035 Posted November 30, 2016 It can't be anything than a general understanding at this point...people who aren't in office can't make "deals" Isn't Pence still in office? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted November 30, 2016 Apples and Oranges. The auto bailout used public money to pick winners and losers in the private market and therefore deserved to be criticized. This is a private citizen dealing with a company on his own and without offering public funds. He's not even President yet. Gave loans and it turned out to work out pretty well for those companies and for us. He is not a private citizen. He is the President Elect and holds power there. And we have not seen what the deal entails or how it affects public funds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted November 30, 2016 Isn't Pence still in office? Well unless Trump is going to use his own money for this, or Pence is committing state funds (tho wouldn't that require the IN legislature?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted November 30, 2016 The scuttlebutt I'm seeing is that Indiana taxpayers will be subsiding Carrier to save the 1000 jobs. If true, it's ironic in that DT criticized the subsidies(loan) to GM but is "winning" by subsidizing Carrier? The devil is in the details(and there are macro considerations---1000 jobs, by one company produces a lot more jobs in support), but it's tough to see how this isn't a net loss for Indiana. Also, will DT give subsidies and incentives to any business that threatens to leave for cheaper labor elsewhere...that's not sustainable. Again, this is all speculation right now, have to see the cost before anyone can accurately comment and claim this is a win. Thats what you get for thinking rather than falling in line like the Trump supporters do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted November 30, 2016 Tear up NAFTA - bring them all back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BLS 313 Posted November 30, 2016 Bingo...on the surface its a great deal. But like the auto bailouts (which those praising this likely bashed), lets see what the details are and how it affects us as taxpayers. If they gave up the farm in tax subsidies to keep 1000 jobs was it worth it? For those workers, sure...for the rest of us, maybe not. Well if they left, you'd get nothing from them, and some will possibly go on welfare. So there's that. You're borderline retarded. You know that, right? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted November 30, 2016 Well if they left, you'd get nothing from them, and some will possibly go on welfare. So there's that. You're borderline retarded. You know that, right? he doesn't Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BLS 313 Posted November 30, 2016 Gave loans and it turned out to work out pretty well for those companies and for us. He is not a private citizen. He is the President Elect and holds power there. And we have not seen what the deal entails or how it affects public funds. And yet you and Honco Camancho keep spewing it out of your mouths that it's probably tax breaks, etc. If you're gonna advocate not formulating an opinion because it's too early, then don't formulate an opinion yourself. Also the President Elect has NO power until his Inauguration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,035 Posted November 30, 2016 And yet you and Honco Camancho keep spewing it out of your mouths that it's probably tax breaks, etc. If you're gonna advocate not formulating an opinion because it's too early, then don't formulate an opinion yourself. Also the President Elect has NO power until his Inauguration. The scuttlebutt I'm seeing is that Indiana taxpayers will be subsiding Carrier to save the 1000 jobs. If true, it's ironic in that DT criticized the subsidies(loan) to GM but is "winning" by subsidizing Carrier? The devil is in the details(and there are macro considerations---1000 jobs, by one company produces a lot more jobs in support), but it's tough to see how this isn't a net loss for Indiana. Also, will DT give subsidies and incentives to any business that threatens to leave for cheaper labor elsewhere...that's not sustainable. Again, this is all speculation right now, have to see the cost before anyone can accurately comment and claim this is a win. Gave loans and it turned out to work out pretty well for those companies and for us. He is not a private citizen. He is the President Elect and holds power there. And we have not seen what the deal entails or how it affects public funds. Nobody is "spewing it out of your mouths that it's probably tax breaks, etc.", all we have done is say that based on limited information(leaks from Carrier, BTW) and speculated some on that particular situation all the while STATING that without knowing the details an opinion couldn't be formed. You seem to have some issues with reading comprehension. Also, I look forward to you chastising every single person who congratulated DT without knowing the details of the situation, guess you are still typing up that post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted November 30, 2016 Well if they left, you'd get nothing from them, and some will possibly go on welfare. So there's that. You're borderline retarded. You know that, right? So...if they gave up a ton in incentives that end up hurting the people of Indiana overall...while only benefiting those 1000 its worth it? Again, the devil is in the details. It could be a great deal...I will praise him if so...but I won't blindly do so without knowing the details of it. And the comparison of the bailouts is spot on...people were so against it and it saved jobs and turned out to be a pretty damn good deal for the country and our economy when all is said and done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted November 30, 2016 And yet you and Honco Camancho keep spewing it out of your mouths that it's probably tax breaks, etc. If you're gonna advocate not formulating an opinion because it's too early, then don't formulate an opinion yourself. Also the President Elect has NO power until his Inauguration. We are speculating that its possible its not a great deal if it is tax breaks or things that cost more than the jobs are worth in the end. Dumbass. And the President Elect has no official power...that is true. But if you don't see power behind that position, you are focking brain dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted November 30, 2016 Nobody is "spewing it out of your mouths that it's probably tax breaks, etc.", all we have done is say that based on limited information(leaks from Carrier, BTW) and speculated some on that particular situation all the while STATING that without knowing the details an opinion couldn't be formed. You seem to have some issues with reading comprehension. Also, I look forward to you chastising every single person who congratulated DT without knowing the details of the situation, guess you are still typing up that post. Take out the borderline...he seems to have gone full drobeski. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,653 Posted November 30, 2016 The government lost billions in the auto bailout. Wall Street made billions. Look it up. Start with Rolling Stone Magazines Matt Taibbi - "Secrets and lies of the bailout". We got took Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted November 30, 2016 So...if they gave up a ton in incentives that end up hurting the people of Indiana overall...while only benefiting those 1000 its worth it? How does 1000 people working, paying taxes and spending money in the community only benefit those 1000. How does 1000 people out of work, benefit the rest of the community? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted November 30, 2016 How does 1000 people working, paying taxes and spending money in the community only benefit those 1000. How does 1000 people out of work, benefit the rest of the community? Im talking about the net effect...again, its a good thing with jobs staying here and what they do with their money...if the net offset is worse than what they bring to the table...it shouldn't be lauded as some great deal and "WINNING" or "MAGA". But we don't know the details yet. One side is blindly applauding it...the other is saying lets wait to see what the deal will actually be. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,035 Posted November 30, 2016 The government lost billions in the auto bailout. Wall Street made billions. Look it up. Start with Rolling Stone Magazines Matt Taibbi - "Secrets and lies of the bailout". We got took I just looked up "Secrets and lies of the bailout", there isn't one FOCKING THING ABOUT THE AUTO BAILOUT. You are dismissed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,485 Posted November 30, 2016 United Technologies, Carrier's parent company, is among the country’s biggest military contractors, producing engines for the Pentagon’s most advanced fighter jets and receiving more than $5 billion annually from the federal government. That equals 10 percent of the company’s revenue. End of Thread! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,653 Posted November 30, 2016 I just looked up "Secrets and lies of the bailout", there isn't one FOCKING THING ABOUT THE AUTO BAILOUT. You are dismissed. Oh, so GM and Chrysler didn't take TARP funds? I assume a mea culpa is forthcoming. TIA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,485 Posted November 30, 2016 General Motors Bailout Cost Taxpayers $11.2 Billion http://time.com/82953/general-motors-bailout-cost-taxpayers-11-2-billion/ The Lefties are still on tilt! Priceless, what a useless bunch of pear shaped losers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BLS 313 Posted November 30, 2016 Nobody is "spewing it out of your mouths that it's probably tax breaks, etc.", all we have done is say that based on limited information(leaks from Carrier, BTW) and speculated some on that particular situation all the while STATING that without knowing the details an opinion couldn't be formed. You seem to have some issues with reading comprehension. Also, I look forward to you chastising every single person who congratulated DT without knowing the details of the situation, guess you are still typing up that post. Did you forget writing this, cockgobbler? The scuttlebutt I'm seeing is that Indiana taxpayers will be subsiding Carrier to save the 1000 jobs. If true, it's ironic in that DT criticized the subsidies(loan) to GM but is "winning" by subsidizing Carrier? The devil is in the details(and there are macro considerations---1000 jobs, by one company produces a lot more jobs in support), but it's tough to see how this isn't a net loss for Indiana. Also, will DT give subsidies and incentives to any business that threatens to leave for cheaper labor elsewhere...that's not sustainable. Again, this is all speculation right now, have to see the cost before anyone can accurately comment and claim this is a win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites