Florida Shooting

[parrot 789]

This so wrong.

 

I was going to take it apart, but fock it, it's quittin' time.

[Cdub100 3,995]

 

almost every pistol and rifle are made semi-automatic, if there is a clip its semi-auto period. Even Revolvers are semi-automatic.

 

the only thing that makes a gun not semi-automatic is if you have to load 1 shot at a time, then fire and repack. Lets go back to muskets

 

again semi-automatic is a scare word

 

That's a bingo. Anti-gun people don't realize what they are truly fighting for is the repeal of the second amendment and disarm the public.

 

You know just like every dictator in history.

[LOD01 199]

Which is why we need to stop this attitude of nothing will change so why do anything.

We should be writing and calling and emailing our cingressmen. We should be speaking out about safety and mental health.

Your first sentence is the same thing as the 2nd sentence. Writing your congressman is doing nothing except wasting the remaining minutes of time that you have on this planet.

 

90% of people don't have the balls to do what it takes to solve this. 99% over at FBG. These people need to be dealt with in the harshest manner. That means swift execution. The govt needs to be able to snoop with no restrictions. Stupid people and irresponsible people are not allowed to breed. Schools need to be able to discipline students like in the 80s & before. These punks today have no common sense and no clue how to be responsible. We had a couple in school in the 70s/80s. Now its 50% or more. Friend of mine has a 3rd period class of complete idiots not capable of even functioning in society. He says its the whole class and he's never seen it this bad. Stupid people breeding more stupid lazy losers is a huge problem in this country.

[jerryskids 7,085]

Your first sentence is the same thing as the 2nd sentence. Writing your congressman is doing nothing except wasting the remaining minutes of time that you have on this planet.

 

90% of people don't have the balls to do what it takes to solve this. 99% over at FBG. These people need to be dealt with in the harshest manner. That means swift execution. The govt needs to be able to snoop with no restrictions. Stupid people and irresponsible people are not allowed to breed. Schools need to be able to discipline students like in the 80s & before. These punks today have no common sense and no clue how to be responsible. We had a couple in school in the 70s/80s. Now its 50% or more. Friend of mine has a 3rd period class of complete idiots not capable of even functioning in society. He says its the whole class and he's never seen it this bad. Stupid people breeding more stupid lazy losers is a huge problem in this country.

 

I bolded the only part of this post with which I agree. We got our asses whooped by teachers in public school during the early 80s. And we deserved it. Hell, I had a teacher who had us design paddles to maximize pain (an early intro to engineering for me).

[Sho Nuff 720]

Your first sentence is the same thing as the 2nd sentence. Writing your congressman is doing nothing except wasting the remaining minutes of time that you have on this planet.

 

90% of people don't have the balls to do what it takes to solve this. 99% over at FBG. These people need to be dealt with in the harshest manner. That means swift execution. The govt needs to be able to snoop with no restrictions. Stupid people and irresponsible people are not allowed to breed. Schools need to be able to discipline students like in the 80s & before. These punks today have no common sense and no clue how to be responsible. We had a couple in school in the 70s/80s. Now its 50% or more. Friend of mine has a 3rd period class of complete idiots not capable of even functioning in society. He says its the whole class and he's never seen it this bad. Stupid people breeding more stupid lazy losers is a huge problem in this country.

BS...and pretty much not constitutional...stop with This nonsense.

Execution isnt a deterrent.

[wiffleball 4,797]

I have a radical idea. And when I say radical I don't mean that ironically. I mean, we've tried every thing else so let's try this one.

 

So far, when we take one of these freaks alive, we hide them away and give them absolutely no access to the press and vice versa. Daddy had being, will show him! We won't make him famous!. Well guess what dumb ? He already is.

 

So let's try mandatory media availability like we do with our dumb ass NFL and NBA players. We require those stupid Fox to talk to the media, so why can't we do that with this stupid ?

 

Selena motherfuking Gomez licks a donut and she has to do a nationwide apology to her. Yet, we hide this little snowflake away? you.

 

Let's tear this dude apart. Let's let every 10 to 17 year old on the planet see what a moron this dumb is. What a mental feed this kid is. What an emotional half-wit he is.

 

You lock him away and people fantasize whatever they want about him, and the nut jobs make him into some kind of superhero. So throw him out there and let our nation's best satirist do what they do best.

 

Let's make a joke out of him the way the Trump makes a joke out of himself. Let's make this mother dude open his mouth. Oh, but that would be cruel and unusual! Yes stupid so is shooting kids.

[cbfalcon 827]

 

Why is that worth watching? I'm not trying to be an ass, just asking. If you take out the Trump and metal detector talk you get a grieving mom who is understandably distraught.

There is the hypothetical weve discussed before....Would you take $1M but it meant a random person on earth will die tomorrow? If you said yes, what if the random person that died was instead your next door neighbors daughter?

 

The point being, obviously we all know there are real dead children involved, but too often during these debates those children are subconsciously reduced to data points. The image of Alyssa Alhadeff and her grieving mother should inspire more desire to fix things than data point 1 of 17.

 

For that reason, I felt it was worth watching.

[LOD01 199]

BS...and pretty much not constitutional...stop with This nonsense.

Execution isnt a deterrent.

Bull is what you are. You know what else isn't a deterrent? Life in prison. Carry out executions swiftly and they cost way less than life in prison. And here you go with the unconstitutional BS as well. Currently the MSM is flapping their gums about why this wasn't stopped by the FBI or anyone before hand. Then if they do, you would be right there side by side with the MSM on the front lines flapping your gums about how what they did is harassment and unconstitutional.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Bull ###### is what you are. You know what else isn't a deterrent? Life in prison. Carry out executions swiftly and they cost way less than life in prison. And here you go with the unconstitutional BS as well. Currently the MSM is flapping their gums about why this wasn't stopped by the FBI or anyone before hand. Then if they do, you would be right there side by side with the MSM on the front lines flapping your gums about how what they did is harassment and unconstitutional.

Why would the death penalty be a deterrent in an action that usually leads to the shooter being shot or killing himself? Think for just a focking moment about that?

 

Swiftly executed ignores much of due process...so yes here I go with the Constitution. Rather than some straw man claim about what you are hunk I And the MSM would do.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

He couldn't buy a beer in Florida. Can we at least raise the age?

[KSB2424 3,174]

He couldn't buy a beer in Florida. Can we at least raise the age?

But he legally bought a rifle. Makes total sense.

[Cdub100 3,995]

He couldn't buy a beer in Florida. Can we at least raise the age?

 

Lower the drinking age to 18

[LOD01 199]

Why would the death penalty be a deterrent in an action that usually leads to the shooter being shot or killing himself? Think for just a focking moment about that?

 

Swiftly executed ignores much of due process...so yes here I go with the Constitution. Rather than some straw man claim about what you are hunk I And the MSM would do.

When I refer to the death penalty I refer to the obviously guilty and still alive losers like this guy and others that are not killing themselves. Due process doesn't need to take 30 years. If this happened in the 1800s, you know how long it would take to hang this terd? About a year max and yeah the constitution existed then. The reason why it takes 30 years is because the legal system and court system is a broken mess.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

these are all semi-automatic

 

http://www.cabelas.com/category/Semiautomatic-Pistols/105529680.uts

 

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/category/firearms/shotguns/semi-automatic.do

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

the debate can not begin with semi-automatic as the basis

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

how about this, if you take any kind of anti depressant you are unable to purchase a firearm until 1 year from being clean from meds

[Sho Nuff 720]

the debate can not begin with semi-automatic as the basis

Id agree with that in its own.

Can we start with mag capacity?

[KSB2424 3,174]

how about this, if you take any kind of anti depressant you are unable to purchase a firearm until 1 year from being clean from meds

So you want depressed people owning guns.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

So you want depressed people owning guns.

 

see thats the problem is someone not going to be diagnosed because they want a gun? More than guns being the issue in these stories, all of them are on some kind of anti depressant

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

Id agree with that in its own.

Can we start with mag capacity?

 

we can Sho, and I can discuss that

 

my problem is the current philosophy of the left, that they keep moving the bar

 

Lets say that number is 10 just for example

 

I can carry 4 Glocks in with 10 shots each and do damage, when that happens the first time, then we are back here discussing how 10 is too many, and then we are discussing why you have more than 1 pistol

 

to me it really boils down to

 

a complete gun ban

 

or what we have, there isn't a middle ground imo, cause we will continue to have the debate about less no matter what

[KSB2424 3,174]

 

see thats the problem is someone not going to be diagnosed because they want a gun? More than guns being the issue in these stories, all of them are on some kind of anti depressant

Probably because they arent stable. So your solution is to make them more unstable?

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

we can Sho, and I can discuss that

 

my problem is the current philosophy of the left, that they keep moving the bar

 

Lets say that number is 10 just for example

 

I can carry 4 Glocks in with 10 shots each and do damage, when that happens the first time, then we are back here discussing how 10 is too many, and then we are discussing why you have more than 1 pistol

 

to me it really boils down to

 

a complete gun ban

 

or what we have, there isn't a middle ground imo, cause we will continue to have the debate about less no matter what

Perhaps the bar moves...but if just 10 as you say. 4 glocks is possibly 4 purchases and 4 chances to catch the person. In addition...time to switch guns allows time to rush or time to escape (similar to time to relkad has helped stop some shootings).

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

Probably because they arent stable. So your solution is to make them more unstable?

 

how so, I am saying if you are on an anti depressant you cant own a gun.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

Perhaps the bar moves...but if just 10 as you say. 4 glocks is possibly 4 purchases and 4 chances to catch the person. In addition...time to switch guns allows time to rush or time to escape (similar to time to relkad has helped stop some shootings).

 

ok I can agree with that honestly, so what about AR style rifles? same number of rounds? Or a ban?

[GobbleDog 1,010]

 

how so, I am saying if you are on an anti depressant you cant own a gun.

 

That'll fix all our gun violence problems and no more mass shootings to boot! Well done Raider!

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

Probably because they arent stable. So your solution is to make them more unstable?

 

perfect example is this kid was on medication since 9, he should not be allowed to own a gun

[KSB2424 3,174]

 

how so, I am saying if you are on an anti depressant you cant own a gun.

You do realize taking medication is voluntary, youd be promoting depressed people to stop taking their meds so they can purchase a gun.

 

Surly you see how that is a bad idea.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

 

That'll fix all our gun violence problems and no more mass shootings to boot! Well done Raider!

 

I am not saying it will fix everything, I am looking for a solution, why is it 150 million gun owners never do anything like this, but the ones that do are all on some sort of pill

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

ok I can agree with that honestly, so what about AR style rifles? same number of rounds? Or a ban?

Honestly...I dont know. Quick reaction is less factual and more mental/emotional. Ban them...seems they are, in a way, the cool gun to have and shoot off many rounds (and lately the gun used in these mass casualty events)

Id have to say research...are those the easiest to mod for quicker fire? Easier to mod capacity of a capacity ban would happen?

I just int know enough to say.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

You do realize taking medication is voluntary, youd be promoting depressed people to stop taking their meds so they can purchase a gun.

 

Surly you see how that is a bad idea.

 

what I am saying is the first step here I will lay it out for you what I would do

 

1) Apply for gun

 

2) Get a psych evaluation

 

3) if cleared purchase gun

 

part 2

 

If you have ever taken any anti-depression meds, you are required in order to purchase a firearm, be off meds and cleared additional psych evaluations

[GobbleDog 1,010]

 

I am not saying it will fix everything, I am looking for a solution, why is it 150 million gun owners never do anything like this, but the ones that do are all on some sort of pill

 

Your suggestion is band-aid on a flooding damn. The solution is banning commercial firearm sales. Nothing short will do anything significant.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

Honestly...I dont know. Quick reaction is less factual and more mental/emotional. Ban them...seems they are, in a way, the cool gun to have and shoot off many rounds (and lately the gun used in these mass casualty events)

Id have to say research...are those the easiest to mod for quicker fire? Easier to mod capacity of a capacity ban would happen?

I just int know enough to say.

 

its equally easy to mod a clip for either, both can fire similar speeds (but a pro can go faster)

 

I keep coming back to this, yes mass shooting is using AR style weapons, but I still think like 82% of all shootings use a hand gun. Thats a dilemma, dead is dead, we just look at these 17, 57, 37 at once and see it but meantime more than 17 people were killed by hand guns today

[Cdub100 3,995]

There is no reason to debate because liberals will keep moving the goal post towards the repeal of the second amendment.

 

The current laws on the books work

 

The FBI failed... again.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

 

Your suggestion is band-aid on a flooding damn. The solution is banning commercial firearm sales. Nothing short will do anything significant.

 

not sure where you are going with this, so you want private sales? At least a state sanctioned gun dealer has to run a back ground check

 

also this isnt all I am discussing but answering in 2 different directions, clip limits ok

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

what I am saying is the first step here I will lay it out for you what I would do

 

1) Apply for gun

 

2) Get a psych evaluation

 

3) if cleared purchase gun

 

part 2

 

If you have ever taken any anti-depression meds, you are required in order to purchase a firearm, be off meds and cleared additional psych evaluations

yes that makes sense...people take meds to help chemical imbalances, make those people not take meds, become chemically imbalanced, then give them a gun. Great plan.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

quite frankly this was true then, and its true now. Even as an Athiest I agree with the story behind it

 

this is Darrel Scott (Father of Columbine Victim, speaking in front of congress)

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

its equally easy to mod a clip for either, both can fire similar speeds (but a pro can go faster)

 

I keep coming back to this, yes mass shooting is using AR style weapons, but I still think like 82% of all shootings use a hand gun. Thats a dilemma, dead is dead, we just look at these 17, 57, 37 at once and see it but meantime more than 17 people were killed by hand guns today

I think trying to limit mass events is a start. If we are going to allow guns (and Im not advocating any all out ban)...limiting mass events and making it difficult for many to do harm is what we can do.

[Sho Nuff 720]

There is no reason to debate because liberals will keep moving the goal post towards the repeal of the second amendment.

 

The current laws on the books work

 

The FBI failed... again.

Bullshit

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

yes that makes sense...people take meds to help chemical imbalances, make those people not take meds, become chemically imbalanced, then give them a gun. Great plan.

 

what part about them not being able to own a gun unless they are proven rehabilitated do you not understand. A good friend of mine was an extreme alcoholic and while putting his life together he was on anti-depressants, this was 15 years ago, he no longer needs those, but since its in his history he has to be cleared thru a psych eval to purchase a firearm

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

I think trying to limit mass events is a start. If we are going to allow guns (and Im not advocating any all out ban)...limiting mass events and making it difficult for many to do harm is what we can do.

 

I think a lot has to do with the glorification of these events also, I mean we never see any news about single targets. Unless it fits an agenda