Florida Shooting

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

what part about them not being able to own a gun unless they are proven rehabilitated do you not understand. A good friend of mine was an extreme alcoholic and while putting his life together he was on anti-depressants, this was 15 years ago, he no longer needs those, but since its in his history he has to be cleared thru a psych eval to purchase a firearm

I understand that you don't have a fockin' clue about mental illness/depression. HTH

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

I understand that you don't have a fockin' clue about mental illness/depression. HTH

 

right I have a father who suffered from PTSD for 40 years, who was in and out of mental health facilities til he died. Should he have had a gun F'no

 

should this kid who has been on meds since 9 been able to buy a gun no

 

but I am talking about the every day people who suffer from depression and get paxil or some , just to cope. I am trying to divide a segment of the population, I am all for a full panel of psych eval for any weapon purchase, hell even annually as check ups

 

Sadly it seems the only person who just can't be a jackass is Sho

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

I think a lot has to do with the glorification of these events also, I mean we never see any news about single targets. Unless it fits an agenda

Agreed

[KSB2424 3,173]

There is no reason to debate expanding abortion timelines and more regulations because conservatives will keep moving the goal post towards the the full ban of abortion

 

 

See how this works.

[BLS 314]

 

And another

Fuckin low life blacks!

[SUXBNME 1,595]

Joey Chestnut can eat 1 bazillion hotdogs in 2 minutes too. Whats that got to do with the rest of us?

What this has do do with the rest of us is this - MDC called for only shotguns and revolvers being legal, and I was pointing out that anyone could shoot a revolver just as fast as a semi auto handgun.

Granted, the vid I poasted was of the extreme, but it points out that revolvers are still 1 pull / one shot. Same as the scary semi autos

 

Shotguns? Now this one could do some quick damage

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

 

There is no reason to debate expanding abortion timelines and more regulations because conservatives will keep moving the goal post towards the the full ban of abortion

 

 

 

not all, I am conservative as it comes, but I think a 12 week compromise is fair

 

even though I feel its morally wrong, its not a battle that can be won by either side. Just as full term abortions (which I have a close personal tie to this week alone) should never be the case

[SUXBNME 1,595]

 

Yes, it's blatant speculation, especially when you consider that the AR-15 is only semi automatic.

Quit feeding the troll. You of all people should know better than this

[SUXBNME 1,595]

Whenever there is a shooting I hear Of AR15s and similar weapons were banned they would just use a knife! What ch makes me wonder why there are so few mass stabbing as compared to shootings?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

[SUXBNME 1,595]

This so wrong.

Given the REAL defininition of semi auto, he is correct.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Given the REAL defininition of semi auto, he is correct.

:sigh:

 

I cant any more.

[SUXBNME 1,595]

 

 

If you have ever taken any anti-depression meds, you are required in order to purchase a firearm, be off meds and cleared additional psych evaluations

The only problem with the above is that most people who take anti depressants are much more stable while they're on them vs off them.

 

Generalized statement, ovbiously, but I'll bet it's pretty true.

In fact, I'll bet that at least 50% of the poasters here are currently taking some form of anti depressants.

[SUXBNME 1,595]

:sigh:

 

I cant any more.

Fair enough

[SUXBNME 1,595]

You do realize taking medication is voluntary, youd be promoting depressed people to stop taking their meds so they can purchase a gun.

 

Surly you see how that is a bad idea.

Aww fock...Guess I missed this.

Totally agree.

disregard my last post

[penultimatestraw 473]

No, I'm not going to do that research. Because it's predicated on the theory that the courts can't restrict someone from owning a gun if they're a threat. And they can. And that's both federal and state. If you don't want to believe that it's on you. I'm not wasting my time. If you ask me to prove water is wet I won't do that either.

 

BTW, are you still clinging to the notion that ALL AR-15 mags are high capacity?

 

Im not saying courts cant restrict gun ownership. Im asking what specific law(s) this dude violated before his gun purchase. Im not sure (anti)social media posts or harming animals qualifies, though Id love to here from someone with specific knowledge of the law.

 

Standard AR15s are sold with 20 or 30 round magazines. Ive learned that 5 and 10 round magazines exist as well, chiefly to comply with legal restrictions, but youre fooling yourself if you think the vast majority of owners dont use the high capacity ones. Since you seem so knowledgeable on this topic, how big was the magazine in the AR15 used by the FL shooter? What about other mass shooters who used assault style rifles?

[Djgb13 2,339]

I dont know if yall have seen some videos or stuff but here is a video after the shooter left one of the classrooms. Its facebook so just an FYI. And be warned....there are dead bodies in this video. Its not my first time seeing gunshot victims since I had to treat a ton of them back in the military but I promise you that you never get used to seeing th victims

 

https://www.facebook.com/JamaicanBadBoyCraig/posts/10155073129132077

[penultimatestraw 473]

So is the FACT that gun violence is way down despite the number of guns being WAY UP in America, a fact conveniently ignored by gun control proponents in every discussion about the issue.

I addressed this factoid the first time you posted it

[penultimatestraw 473]

I feel the pain, I do, honestly I am ok with an AR type ban at this point, but what you are suggesting is that we are only allowed shotguns and revolvers, cause 99% of all fire arms are semi-automatic. That term is a scare term

Although im Not advocating such a ban, why is it a scare term? Seems like you can hunt, skeet shoot and defend your home just fine with the left over guns.

[penultimatestraw 473]

how about this, if you take any kind of anti depressant you are unable to purchase a firearm until 1 year from being clean from meds

This encourages medication noncompliance, or avoiding psychiatric help altogether. Is that a good way to keep crazy people from doing crazy things?

 

ETA I see several other already pointed out the problems with your suggestion.

[SUXBNME 1,595]

This thread needs a funny video

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYgCB97wOhY

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

This encourages medication noncompliance, or avoiding psychiatric help altogether. Is that a good way to keep crazy people from doing crazy things?

 

ETA I see several other already pointed out the problems with your suggestion.

 

I am not saying my solution is perfect, but this is a mental health problem not necessarily a gun problem

 

so looking for solutions to mental health issues is just as pertinent

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

Although im Not advocating such a ban, why is it a scare term? Seems like you can hunt, skeet shoot and defend your home just fine with the left over guns.

 

its a scare term just like Assault Rifle, the majority of weapons are semi-automatic, people who aren't educated in firearms think this means big scary machine guns in general. I mean you show someone an AR-15 and a Glock and ask which is scarier, and 99% probably say the AR-15, yet 82% of gun deaths are from handguns

[wiffleball 4,797]

 

right I have a father who suffered from PTSD for 40 years, who was in and out of mental health facilities til he died. Should he have had a gun F'no

 

should this kid who has been on meds since 9 been able to buy a gun no

 

but I am talking about the every day people who suffer from depression and get paxil or some ######, just to cope. I am trying to divide a segment of the population, I am all for a full panel of psych eval for any weapon purchase, hell even annually as check ups

 

Sadly it seems the only person who just can't be a jackass is Sho

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[Mike Honcho 5,435]

what part about them not being able to own a gun unless they are proven rehabilitated do you not understand. A good friend of mine was an extreme alcoholic and while putting his life together he was on anti-depressants, this was 15 years ago, he no longer needs those, but since its in his history he has to be cleared thru a psych eval to purchase a firearm

And the psych eval is connected to anti-depressants how...or are you omitting part of this story, like a felony?

[TimmySmith 2,783]

The ACLU already fought and won the mental health battle. Not that it could be implemented or enforced anyway. It's a buzzword more than anuthing.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

 

its a scare term just like Assault Rifle, the majority of weapons are semi-automatic, people who aren't educated in firearms think this means big scary machine guns in general. I mean you show someone an AR-15 and a Glock and ask which is scarier, and 99% probably say the AR-15, yet 82% of gun deaths are from handguns

It does not sound like you are educated in firearms, many statements you have made regarding them are flat out false. The majority of firearms are not semi-automatic.

 

I own: lever action 30-30 rifle, bolt action 30-06 rifle, pump 12 gauge, single shot 20 gauge, single action .380 revolver, double action .44 revolver, and a semi auto 9mm among other guns. Only the minority of the guns I own are semi auto.

 

Only in recent years did semi auto take over as being the most popular action for a gun, most guns are years or decades old. The vast majority of guns in America are not semi automatic.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

Only in recent years did semi auto take over as being the most popular action for a gun, most guns are years or decades old. The vast majority of guns in America are not semi automatic.

Let's get away from "semi-automatic" and call it "self loading" which is what it is. Self loading pistols have been around for over 100 years. Same with rifles. A vast majority of firearms self loading and it's not even close.

[LOD01 199]

Stupid ole Alison Hammerhead on CNN blurting out 'we need to ignore 1st amendment constitutional rights in this case' (paraphrased). From the station that will scream to high heaven about constitutional rights for the 1st amendment. Classic.

 

Here's the problem with the constitution. It was written in the 1700's. I can tell you right now that if those people were alive today, a lot of it would be re-written. Unfortunately we cannot do that today because both parties can't agree on anything and would rewrite it according to their own agenda. Mass murder was not even a concept back then. It should have said 'If you commit murder, you lose all your rights.' f course, lefties love to protect murderers with the constitution.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Just wait until Crazy Bob with a 3D printer can sit at home and make his own gun, any kind.

 

I bet the Founding Fathers envisioned that.

[Alias Detective 1,459]

Stupid ole Alison Hammerhead on CNN blurting out 'we need to ignore 1st amendment constitutional rights in this case' (paraphrased). From the station that will scream to high heaven about constitutional rights for the 1st amendment. Classic.

 

Here's the problem with the constitution. It was written in the 1700's. I can tell you right now that if those people were alive today, a lot of it would be re-written. Unfortunately we cannot do that today because both parties can't agree on anything and would rewrite it according to their own agenda. Mass murder was not even a concept back then. It should have said 'If you commit murder, you lose all your rights.' f course, lefties love to protect murderers with the constitution.

I'll add to you last sentence.

 

lefties love to protect murderers with the constitution...not the law biding citizens tho..

[KSB2424 3,173]

Let's get away from "semi-automatic" and call it "self loading" which is what it is.

 

This whole conversation is dumb, its semantics at this point. We're sitting here going into the micro debate over which "exact" guns should or should not be banned and the proper term of semi-auto. This is a football message board, people (like MDC) were speaking in general terms to keep the discussion moving along. The point at hand is this:

 

We as a civilized and modern society can put more guns on the banned list, while still balancing that with the right to defend yourself, your home and hunt/sport. Whether that be magazine size, type of firearm, type of bullets, on and on.

 

But the bottom line is that the far right won't budge one inch on gun control for fear the "liberals" will take a mile. Just like the far left won't budge an inch on abortion for fear the "conservatives" will take a mile. So here we sit, with good ole common sense just flying in the wind.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

Let's get away from "semi-automatic" and call it "self loading" which is what it is. Self loading pistols have been around for over 100 years. Same with rifles. A vast majority of firearms self loading and it's not even close.

The definition of self loading is semi auto and full auto, while these have made up more than 50% of the sales in recent years they made up a small minority of the sales even going back a decade or two.

 

Since guns are something that people keep for years or decades, then it can be concluded that the minority of guns owned by the American population are "self loading".

[posty 2,809]

Huge increase of law enforcement at my daughter's high school today... A verbal threat was directed toward the school earlier in the week...

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

 

This whole conversation is dumb, its semantics at this point. We're sitting here going into the micro debate over which "exact" guns should or should not be banned and the proper term of semi-auto. This is a football message board, people (like MDC) were speaking in general terms to keep the discussion moving along. The point at hand is this:

 

We as a civilized and modern society can put more guns on the banned list, while still balancing that with the right to defend yourself, your home and hunt/sport. Whether that be magazine size, type of firearm, type of bullets, on and on.

 

But the bottom line is that the far right won't budge one inch on gun control for fear the "liberals" will take a mile. Just like the far left won't budge an inch on abortion for fear the "conservatives" will take a mile. So here we sit, with good ole common sense just flying in the wind.

 

I agree, but might amend your statement a little to keep abortion as a separate discussion as people will look for any opportunity to get off topic:

"But the bottom line is that the far right won't budge one inch on gun control for fear the "liberals" will take a mile. Just like the far left will look for an all out ban on all guns for citizens. So here we sit, with good ole common sense just flying in the wind"

[penultimatestraw 473]

I am not saying my solution is perfect, but this is a mental health problem not necessarily a gun problem

 

so looking for solutions to mental health issues is just as pertinent

OK. Mandatory psych evaluation before any gun purchase. What do we do with the bazillion guns already in circulation?

[penultimatestraw 473]

its a scare term just like Assault Rifle, the majority of weapons are semi-automatic, people who aren't educated in firearms think this means big scary machine guns in general. I mean you show someone an AR-15 and a Glock and ask which is scarier, and 99% probably say the AR-15, yet 82% of gun deaths are from handguns

Have AR15s and other assault style rifles caused a disproportionate number of mass shooting deaths?

[penultimatestraw 473]

And the psych eval is connected to anti-depressants how...or are you omitting part of this story, like a felony?

And don’t tell him antidepressants can be prescribed for indications other than mental illness.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Let's get away from "semi-automatic" and call it "self loading" which is what it is. Self loading pistols have been around for over 100 years. Same with rifles. A vast majority of firearms self loading and it's not even close.

We should avoid all terms related to classifying guns. All of them - semiautomatic, high capacity, assault style, AR15, etc. make gun aficionados fixate on semantics and exceptions to the rules, like world class marksmen who can pull a trigger rapidly. All this detracts from meaningful discussion.

 

The conversation should begin with: what firearms/ammunition should be restricted to the public? What do we do about people who already own such firearms?

 

ETA. What KSB said

[Alias Detective 1,459]

Have AR15s and other assault style rifles caused a disproportionate number of mass shooting deaths?

Have pressure cooker bombs caused a disproportionate number of mass bombing deaths? Or is it Professor Plum with the pipe?

[jerryskids 7,085]

I dont know if yall have seen some videos or stuff but here is a video after the shooter left one of the classrooms. Its facebook so just an FYI. And be warned....there are dead bodies in this video. Its not my first time seeing gunshot victims since I had to treat a ton of them back in the military but I promise you that you never get used to seeing th victims

 

https://www.facebook.com/JamaicanBadBoyCraig/posts/10155073129132077

 

You were in combat? I don't recall that. Do tell.

 

This encourages medication noncompliance, or avoiding psychiatric help altogether. Is that a good way to keep crazy people from doing crazy things?

 

 

This is part of my dilemma with the mental health angle. I'm concerned with anything which disincentivizes the mentally ill from seeking help; it is already a challenge as it is.