Anyone notice how the U.S is becoming "USA vs Anti-USA", right here in the U.S? ?

[Kanil 519]

 

Ultimately I think the US will have a system that is more socialist, I think that is natural with automation.. but why does it have to be forced and why can't it just happen naturally?

I'm not sure what you mean by forced vs happening naturally. Can you expand?

[Kanil 519]

Implementing socialistic policies does not need to be all-encompassing. It can and should be a continuum. There are some elements I appreciate, but also recognize that doing it properly with a nation as large as ours would be a challenge. I would like to see healthcare move in that direction. Privatization of hc is harmful to society... illness should not result in bankruptcy, nor be financially crippling.

 

In high school I had a friend with duel citizenship (US/Swiss). At some point he had to go back and serve in their military. I like the concept of giving back to the nation to benefit from their services.

 

I agree with this also. Especially the part about serving in the military.

[Bier Meister 1,516]

I agree with this also. Especially the part about serving in the military.

I think that is one avenue (an important one), but this could be fulfilled in other ways.... can also promote job creation.

[Sho Nuff 719]

Well said Bier

[LOD01 192]

 

You won't stop sex from occurring. Probably ought to push for abortion to be cheaper, more accessible, and even encourage it for large swaths of society.

You can dangle $5000 spade/neuter tax free cash incentives in front of these morons that are reproducing. The crack heads jump all over that. Fatties as well.

[RLLD 3,455]

I would submit that if we created incentives to urge people to say, get their GED, attend college, enter a trade, that might be a way forward for those of us currently residing on government assistance.

[jerryskids 5,213]

Why is socialism a dirty word?

 

It isn't, if you like socialism. That was my point about Sho.

[penultimatestraw 473]

What's better in these other countries (healthcare)?

Our healthcare access is poor, especially to primary care providers, as is cost containment/waste. And despite what we pay, quality metrics like infant mortality and life expectancy aren't up to snuff with other developed countries. Read this report for more detailed info: https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2017/jul/mirror-mirror-2017-international-comparison-reflects-flaws-and

[penultimatestraw 473]

Again, just answering your question academically. If you were really interested, there are plenty of lists out there to answer that can be question. But top of the head, education, postnatal mortality, life expectancy, crime rates, wellbeing, environment, Etc

Pretty much the only things we excel at are technology and innovation. And I don't know what you meant by education, but our medical training is also top notch, especially subspecialties. All these result from financial incentive.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

That's how it always starts out. Then you end up like Venezuela, Cuba, and the rest. History has proven that what you believe will happen with Socialism and what actually happens with Socialism are a night and day difference.

 

The road to hell is paved with good intentions - Socialism is the perfect example of that. Socialism has a 100+ million body count in the 20th century alone. That should be MORE than enough for people to stay as far away from it as possible.

 

And yet, we have people thinking their version of Socialism will work this time. Pro-tip: It won't. History has proven it numerous times. Your version isn't any better than Stalin's, Mao's, Castro's or the Khmer Rouge's.

No, it doesn't always end up that way. If it did, there would be many more socialist/communist countries.

 

You guys really need another argument besides the slippery slope.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

We dont need to defend the entire world. Agreed

Nor do we need so many friggin cars. Who are you to tell us how many cars we need?

And our healthcare is pretty mediocre when compared to developed countries, including those in Scandinavia.Our healthcare is just fine.

 

We have far more vehicles than elsewhere, produce more waste per capita than any other country and are getting fatter by the minute. Yeah, I know our country is spread out and we have a culture based on automobiles, but at some point we should question if all our vehicles are really necessary.

 

Our healthcare is not fine. Even if you like the quality you currently receive, the cost is unsustainable. Read the Commonwealth Fund report I linked earlier.

[penultimatestraw 473]

That's like saying that he's confusing the use of hard drugs with addiction.

Clever analogy, but it assumes anything promoted by socialism is inherently harmful. Are you suggesting we eliminate all government assistance/regulation?

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

Socialism is one of the instances where those that support it refuse to take any of the failures into account and only the successes.

The same can be said of unfettered capitalism.

 

To be clear, I'm not advocating socialism. But the whole idea that it is evil, a "dirty word", etc. is silly.

[penultimatestraw 473]

You want socialism? You need an almost perfect society. You first need to stop the uncontrolled breeding of the losers of society. You cannot have stupid people because they will drain the bank. You have to control the fatties as well. Their health problems are a drain. Only then will it work.

You're right. But we ain't doing a great job with dummies and fatties in our current system either.

[GhostofTEK 71]

You can dangle $5000 spade/neuter tax free cash incentives in front of these morons that are reproducing. The crack heads jump all over that. Fatties as well.

You just got my vote.

[GhostofTEK 71]

I would submit that if we created incentives to urge people to say, get their GED, attend college, enter a trade, that might be a way forward for those of us currently residing on government assistance.

The incentive of a pay check isn't working.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,545]

No, it doesn't always end up that way. If it did, there would be many more socialist/communist countries.

 

You guys really need another argument besides the slippery slope.

 

That is THE defining argument. You need to stop minimizing a 100+ million body count because "I'll do it better this time!" thinking.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

That is THE defining argument. You need to stop minimizing a 100+ million body count because "I'll do it better this time!" thinking.

How many have died because of capitalism?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,545]

How many have died because of capitalism?

 

Not 100+ million. Not even if you add ALL the years the US has been around, much less just the 20th century. Not even close.

[mobb_deep 917]

This presidency is the most anti-USA moment in our history.

 

Even the VP thinks so. Just look at what he said about Clinton 20 years ago, and that was just a BJ... Imagine if he was paying Russian hookers to pee on him.

 

"If you and I fall into bad moral habits, we can harm our families, our employers and our friends. The President of the United States can incinerate the planet. Seriously, the very idea that we ought to have at or less than the same moral demands placed on the Chief Executive that we place on our next door neighbor is ludicrous and dangerous. Throughout our history, we have seen the presidency as the repository of all of our highest hopes and ideals and values. To demand less is to do an injustice to the blood that bought our freedoms."

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,603]

your right, socialism is not a problem for us

 

but that doesn't stop the leftist news from reporting otherwise

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/d2f947ec-c693-36a7-b7c4-7d91d115d702/democratic-socialist-surge.html

 

If the socialist left -- not long ago considered a fringe movement -- seems as if it’s lately been bargaining from a position of power, it might be due to a recent flood of support: since 2016, the ranks of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) have swelled from 6,000 to over 45,000 dues-paying members. Interested in Midterm Elections?

 

 

which means the DSA just went from 0.000017% all the way up to 0.00012% with that huge surge

[supermike80 1,288]

No, it doesn't always end up that way. If it did, there would be many more socialist/communist countries.

 

You guys really need another argument besides the slippery slope.

It's what the tv says. You had to pick that up right??

 

Talking points. Easy

[IMMensaMind 459]

Clever analogy, but it assumes anything promoted by socialism is inherently harmful. Are you suggesting we eliminate all government assistance/regulation?

No, nor did I ever say or even imply that.

 

I think that it is entirely possible that we'd be better with none of either than too much of either, however.

[Baker Boy 1,485]

The country is experiencing nearly 1,000,000 percent inflation, food shortages and violence in the streets.

 

"Venezuela is a socialist paradise that was once rich. Meaning, if you like Bernie [sanders], this could be your future," Gutfeld said.

 

Gutfeld said someone should "page" New York democratic socialist congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and show her the "hyper-inflation [and] human rights violations" that have wrecked what was once the most prosperous country in South America.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/06/venezuela-drone-attack-nicolas-maduro-gutfeld-reacts-socialist-economic-collapse

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,545]

your right, socialism is not a problem for us

 

but that doesn't stop the leftist news from reporting otherwise

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/d2f947ec-c693-36a7-b7c4-7d91d115d702/democratic-socialist-surge.html

 

If the socialist left -- not long ago considered a fringe movement -- seems as if it’s lately been bargaining from a position of power, it might be due to a recent flood of support: since 2016, the ranks of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) have swelled from 6,000 to over 45,000 dues-paying members. Interested in Midterm Elections?

 

 

which means the DSA just went from 0.000017% all the way up to 0.00012% with that huge surge

 

"Dues-paying members"? That can't be correct. Socialists are actually paying dues? Shouldn't that sh#t be free?

 

Or maybe someone else is paying the dues for them? Has to be the case - that's how Socialism works.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

 

Not 100+ million. Not even if you add ALL the years the US has been around, much less just the 20th century. Not even close.

Oh, if you count all the people who died early from workplace toxins and poor safety and such, and all the people who died, and continue to die, because capitalism prices them out of access to healthcare, its well more than 100+ million.

 

Not even getting into things like capitalist or imperialist wars.

 

The reason Russia and China and others has massive poltical violence had little to do with socialism. It was because they were totalitarian. There are many examples of non socialist dictators with solid body counts too.

 

Btw, Im certainly not advocating communism btw. It doesnt work for entire economies.

[LOD01 192]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/how-venezuela-went-from-the-richest-economy-in-south-america-to-the-brink-of-financial-ruin-a7740616.html

 

Bunch of losers. It's how most people (who gain power) in central and south America act. Get control, live high on the hog, promise stuff and stay in power with the help of the military. That NY slut is getting a taste of it and wants more. With idiots like her in power, this is the kind of stuff that happens.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Liberals/Socialists hate capitalism, personal responsibility, achievement without burden of stifling government regulations, etc....

 

Why WOULDN'T they hate America?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,545]

Oh, if you count all the people who died early from workplace toxins and poor safety and such, and all the people who died, and continue to die, because capitalism prices them out of access to healthcare, its well more than 100+ million.

 

Not even getting into things like capitalist or imperialist wars.

 

The reason Russia and China and others has massive poltical violence had little to do with socialism. It was because they were totalitarian. There are many examples of non socialist dictators with solid body counts too.

 

Btw, Im certainly not advocating communism btw. It doesnt work for entire economies.

You're comparing apples to oranges here in an attempt to take down capitalism. I think you know exactly what I'm talking about and what I meant.

 

Comparing workplace deaths with deaths thru tyranny and oppression is a big reach. I would expect Sho or wiff to peddle that type of argument, not you.

[Kanil 519]

Question: What did socialist countries use to light their houses before candles?

 

 

 

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Answer: Electricity.

[Baker Boy 1,485]

In a little over 100 years America became the most prosperous and powerful country on earth. America rose to heights no other society had ever attained. Many of these societies had been in existence for thousands of years.

 

America was not considered a rich country because of the way the rich lived but because of the way our poor lived! The life style of the American poor exceeded the life style of the middle class in many countries.

[bandrus1 413]

In a little over 100 years America became the most prosperous and powerful country on earth. America rose to heights no other society had ever attained. Many of these societies had been in existence for thousands of years.

 

America was not considered a rich country because of the way the rich lived but because of the way our poor lived! The life style of the American poor exceeded the life style of the middle class in many countries.

 

 

pretty easy when you have an almost unlimited amount of natural resources at your disposal and a limited population. We were giving away land to people.

[Baker Boy 1,485]

pretty easy when you have an almost unlimited amount of natural resources at your disposal and a limited population. We were giving away land to people.

The same situation as Australia, what happened there?

[MTSkiBum 1,595]

The same situation as Australia, what happened there?

Median salary of 60k USD, seems it worked out well for them too.

[bandrus1 413]

The same situation as Australia, what happened there?

Reports say approximately 768,685 km2 of land is actually habitable in Australia. This means Australia's habitable land takes up approximately 10% of the actual land mass, with 90% being 'termed' uninhabitable. In comparison The Unites States is made up of 40% habitable land

 

 

 

Not to mention they have nowhere near the abundance and quality of national resources we have here along with easy trading partners due to geography

[iam90sbaby 2,128]

Reports say approximately 768,685 km2 of land is actually habitable in Australia. This means Australia's habitable land takes up approximately 10% of the actual land mass, with 90% being 'termed' uninhabitable. In comparison The Unites States is made up of 40% habitable land

 

 

 

Not to mention they have nowhere near the abundance and quality of national resources we have here along with easy trading partners due to geography

A lot of natural resources doesnt automatically translate to superpower.

[bandrus1 413]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/how-venezuela-went-from-the-richest-economy-in-south-america-to-the-brink-of-financial-ruin-a7740616.html

 

Bunch of losers. It's how most people (who gain power) in central and south America act. Get control, live high on the hog, promise stuff and stay in power with the help of the military. That NY slut is getting a taste of it and wants more. With idiots like her in power, this is the kind of stuff that happens.

Weren't many of them backed by the US?

[bandrus1 413]

Yet you live here.

Wtf are you talking about

[bandrus1 413]

A lot of natural resources doesnt automatically translate to superpower.

You can be insufferable at times here I will spell it out for you.

 

The United States extremely quick rise in status in it's first 100 years was 100 percent due to the perfect storm of low population, abundance of natural resources, fertal soils and ability to trade extremely easy.

 

If you compare that to say Brazil who was colonized till what 50 years later than what became the United States it is pretty easy to see that the United States was the perfect storm of opportunity and resource to explode economicly

[drobeski 3,061]

You can be insufferable at times here I will spell it out for you.

 

The United States extremely quick rise in status in it's first 100 years was 100 percent due to the perfect storm of low population, abundance of natural resources, fertal soils and ability to trade extremely easy.

 

If you compare that to say Brazil who was colonized till what 50 years later than what became the United States it is pretty easy to see that the United States was the perfect storm of opportunity and resource to explode economicly

the founding fathers and the constitution played no role at all.

Just luck