TBayXXXVII 2,552 Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Guy said: true......and that's why I think he's worth less this year over last. Last year, 31 teams had a chance to extend Prescott and offer sheet and all 31 passed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,575 Posted March 8, 2021 Just in. 4 years, 160 million, 127 mil guaranteed. ROFLMAO. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,412 Posted March 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Strike said: Just in. 4 years, 160 million, 127 mil guaranteed. ROFLMAO. FOCK!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,506 Posted March 9, 2021 Holy spit. That’s a lot of dough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,490 Posted March 9, 2021 25 minutes ago, Strike said: Just in. 4 years, 160 million, 127 mil guaranteed. ROFLMAO. Bwaahahahaha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,412 Posted March 9, 2021 No Tag, No Trade 4 Guaranteed Super Bowls Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,575 Posted March 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, Big Guy said: No Tag, No Trade 4 Guaranteed Super Bowls Due to signing bonus he gets something like $75 million the first year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,945 Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Strike said: Just in. 4 years, 160 million, 127 mil guaranteed. ROFLMAO. That’s turrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted March 9, 2021 Well, Jerry caved..... Unlike the Zeke/Amari/Jaylon deals, unlike most - I'm not too terribly upset with it. Yes it's a lot of money - but I continue to say, QBs are going to get paid in today's game, it's just the way it is. And as gaudy and jaw dropping as it is, it will fall in line and seem normal in a year or two when Herbert, Allen and other rookie deals expire. If $126m is the guaranteed number, that's doable - that's not a crippling figure. Zeke/Amari/Jaylon - those are all far worst deals on the books than this. At the very least, thank Gawd we can finally move on and stop talking about it....... Now it's time to focus on the defense, and offensive line perhaps. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted March 9, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 3:07 PM, JustinCharge said: Dak is gone. Good call....... you're about 0-10 on Cowboys talk now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,506 Posted March 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cruzer said: Well, Jerry caved..... Unlike the Zeke/Amari/Jaylon deals, unlike most - I'm not too terribly upset with it. Yes it's a lot of money - but I continue to say, QBs are going to get paid in today's game, it's just the way it is. And as gaudy and jaw dropping as it is, it will fall in line and seem normal in a year or two when Herbert, Allen and others rookie deals expire. If $126m is the guaranteed number, that's doable - that's not a crippling figure. Zeke/Amari/Jaylon - those are all far worst deals on the books than this. At the very least, thank Gawd we can finally move on and stop talking about it....... Now it's time to focus on the defense, and offensive line perhaps. Just the defense and offensive line? That’s not much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: Just the defense and offensive line? That’s not much. Ha, told you - this team is mess. There are REAL concerns about Tyron Smith. Which aren't new, he's not been his old dominant self in 2 years now. With Fredrick retired - this line is all smoke and mirrors now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,506 Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Cruzer said: Ha, told you - this team is mess. There are REAL concerns about Tyron Smith. Which aren't new, he's not been his old dominant self in 2 years now. With Fredrick retired - this line is all smoke and mirrors now. Playing in the NFC East covers up a lot of stink. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted March 9, 2021 20 minutes ago, Cruzer said: Good call....... you're about 0-10 on Cowboys talk now. Its way too much for Dak. Yikes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted March 9, 2021 I read that Jerry did this because the TV revenue, and thus, the cap, is about to go up bigIy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dain11279 976 Posted March 9, 2021 Good lord can't wait to see what the Bills have to give Allen now 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,412 Posted March 9, 2021 Dallas Cowboy Salary Cap https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/dallas-cowboys/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted March 9, 2021 5 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said: I read that Jerry did this because the TV revenue, and thus, the cap, is about to go up bigIy. Yes, and Dak's camp was well aware of this too. Like I said, it seems like a gaudy number know - but it won't seem so in a couple years. And have to remember, the actual $ isn't what matters - what matters is the number as a % to the overall Cap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,575 Posted March 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Cruzer said: And have to remember, the actual $ isn't what matters - what matters is the number as a % to the overall Cap. And whether Dak comes back as his former self or not...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, Strike said: And whether Dak comes back as his former self or not...... That's a huge gamble for sure. I'm shocked they made this deal not knowing that to be honest. But his health doesn't really apply to the principal of QB salary to Cap ratio that I was referring to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,575 Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, Cruzer said: That's a huge gamble for sure. I'm shocked they made this deal not knowing that to be honest. But his health doesn't really apply to the principal of QB salary to Cap ratio that I was referring to. Of course it does. If he sucks they're stuck with him for 3 years without the ability to bring in another top level QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, Strike said: Of course it does. If he sucks they're stuck with him for 3 years without the ability to bring in another top level QB. The principal applies to all QBs, of any team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,490 Posted March 9, 2021 All joking aside the Cowboys are better with Dak even at that cap # than without him. Let him walk and you might as well blow up the entire roster and rebuild from scratch. Where they messed up was not resigning him a season or 2 ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,575 Posted March 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, Cruzer said: The principal applies to all QBs, of any team. The principal may, but this particular application of that principal is stupid. The Cowboy's GM is an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted March 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, Strike said: Of course it does. If he sucks they're stuck with him for 3 years without the ability to bring in another top level QB. No decent QBs will be FAs until 2023, so that leaves trades or the draft for the next 2 seasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, Strike said: The principal may, but this particular application of that principal is stupid. The Cowboy's GM is an idiot. Whether the signing was good or bad is admirable debate for sure. But we didn't need this signing to tell us Jerry is a horrible GM.. This deal is still far better than the one he gave Zeke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,575 Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, TimmySmith said: No decent QBs will be FAs until 2023, so that leaves trades or the draft for the next 2 seasons. And? They can't trade for an elite QB either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, Strike said: And? They can't trade for an elite QB either. So they let a high quality QB go, for a possible chance at something that might be better, for a lot more money? Seriously? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,575 Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, TimmySmith said: So they let a high quality QB go, for a possible chance at something that might be better, for a lot more money? Seriously? We have no idea how good he will be when he comes back. And there was a lot of debate about how good he was even before he got injured. Resetting the market and hamstringing your franchise for the next 3-4 years is stupid IMO. And you're assuming they couldn't have gotten him cheaper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,552 Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Big Guy said: Dallas Cowboy Salary Cap https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/dallas-cowboys/ The way the contract is set up, I think Amari Cooper will be gone after this coming season. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, TBayXXXVII said: The way the contract is set up, I think Amari Cooper will be gone after this coming season. His deal was set up for exactly this possibility. His guaranteed money ($60m) will hit this year........ Jerry can cut him in 2022 for a $6m dead cap hit. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted March 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Strike said: We have no idea how good he will be when he comes back. And there was a lot of debate about how good he was even before he got injured. Resetting the market and hamstringing your franchise for the next 3-4 years is stupid IMO. And you're assuming they couldn't have gotten him cheaper. My assumption is based on the fact that he controlled the market. He was basically the only FA available now, and would be next year also. So even if the Girls franchised him, they were only delaying their problem, with nothing available next year. You're assuming they didn't get him cheap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,575 Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, TimmySmith said: My assumption is based on the fact that he controlled the market. He was basically the only FA available now, and would be next year also. So even if the Girls franchised him, they were only delaying their problem, with nothing available next year. You're assuming they didn't get him cheap. If they franchised him and waited a year they'd at least know whether he can walk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,552 Posted March 9, 2021 If I'm Jerry Jones, I'd have franchised him again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted March 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Strike said: If they franchised him and waited a year they'd at least know whether he can walk. On the injury spectrum, a broken ankle and lower leg is way down the list. And they have full knowledge of his recovery. I don't consider it a factor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,552 Posted March 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, Cruzer said: His deal was set up for exactly this possibility. His guaranteed money ($60m) will hit this year........ Jerry can cut him in 2022 for a $6m dead cap hit. That's what it looks like. If they kept him, it would be $22M. That's a $16M cap savings for that year. I can see them drafting a WR at #10 if one of the top 3 (Chase, Waddle, Smith), fall to them. But that's what Jerry Jones would do... me, I'd draft an offensive lineman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted March 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, Strike said: Resetting the market and hamstringing your franchise for the next 3-4 years is stupid IMO. And you're assuming they couldn't have gotten him cheaper. He was not signing cheaper. The whole reason we got to this point is bcoz Dak wouldn't accept less. Offers were made, he turned them down.. If they Tagged him again, he was gone. Resetting the market isn't the phenomena that you think. It happens all the time, every time a big name player gets a new deal - they reset the market. Russell Wilson, D. Watson all did it before, Dak did it now - and a couple years J. Allen and Herbert will reset it again. And again, you are only hamstringing a franchise if the money is out of line with your cap. Salary to Cap ratio is the only thing that matters - whatever the # is.... Everyone lauds Brady and how genius TB was for only paying him $25m. And they were - but the real genius in the move is that that number was at 15% of their cap. KC and Mahomes - he was at 14% of their cap...... The 14-16% of cap ratio seems to be the sweet spot. Teams who can get their qb signed in that range are way ahead of the game. It's when you get outside of that you start to see problems. Take Atlanta and Ryan - his ratio was at 22%, and guess what - they sucked. Rodgers ate up 21% of GBs cap - it's a no wonder they didn't have much help around him. We will have to wait and see what the cap balloons to in 2 years. At that point in time we will have a better idea just how bad/good this deal was. If it turns out that his deal falls around 15%, will have been a hit......assuming he's healthy of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,552 Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Cruzer said: Everyone lauds Brady and how genius TB was for only paying him $25m. And they were - but the real genius in the move is that that number was at 15% of their cap. KC and Mahomes - he was at 14% of their cap...... The 14-16% of cap ratio seems to be the sweet spot. That wasn't the real genius (15% cap hit), there was no "genius" about that. Brady wanted to go somewhere where he could win a Super Bowl. Tampa was one of those teams. The Bucs said we can pay you $25M for 2 years (since he said he wanted to play for 2 years), and we can throw some incentives in the deal. He took it. The "genius" was that Brady was willing to take $25M. I think your numbers are off a bit with Mahomes. He only made $5.5M last year, he was still on his rookie deal. His big money starts this coming season. Something you're over looking though when you're talking about cap % is how that relates to other contracts. According to Spotrac.com, Brady accounted for almost 14% of Tampa's cap, which is what you said... but the part that you're overlooking is the fact that the next highest person (Shaquil Barrett), was about half of that. Go look at KC and see how Mahomes' $25M stacks up... which is about 13%, but there's 3 other guys over 10%. Similar to what Dallas is going to be. Simply, buy paying a QB big time money, you're going to have to either forgo one or two studs... or 3 or 4 solid players. At that point, is your team truly better off? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted March 9, 2021 I do not feel like they did a good job with Dak. They ultimately signed him at the highest price possible and they dont even have a contending team. Bad coach. Seems like a recipe to spin wheels into mediocrity. QBs get paid. I dont mind paying top dollar to keep your QB it is the nature of the business. But you have to at least have a roster that can make some noise and have a chance. I dont think they have that at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites