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3 hours ago, Mr. Hand said:

They don’t like Hillary.

alright Mr Hand..that was pretty funny

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Anyone that is retarded enough to buy into the rainbows and unicorn dreams of a nationwide rail system - - good old fashioned, not super cool bullet trains -- should take a gander at how well the democratic/liberal led SDOT works in Seattle area. For just a couple billion (with runaway cost overruns) we're hoping for about 10 miles worth of light rail between Seattle and Lynnwood. Expected to be finished in about 6 years. 

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She didn't come up with this. Someone else did and they sent their new idiot out to present it. I don't know who, but someone benefits from this being tossed out there. They know it's not even going to come close to happening. 

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20 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

She didn't come up with this. Someone else did and they sent their new idiot out to present it. I don't know who, but someone benefits from this being tossed out there. They know it's not even going to come close to happening. 

Isn't it obvious? 

 

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9 hours ago, DonS said:

Anyone that is retarded enough to buy into the rainbows and unicorn dreams of a nationwide rail system - - good old fashioned, not super cool bullet trains -- should take a gander at how well the democratic/liberal led SDOT works in Seattle area. For just a couple billion (with runaway cost overruns) we're hoping for about 10 miles worth of light rail between Seattle and Lynnwood. Expected to be finished in about 6 years. 

This Ultra Lib that worked for me, was always touting high speed rail.  I pointed out that it hasn't worked anywhere in the U.S.

The one the California has planned, projects revenue and ridership estimates that a thoroughly unrealistic, and even with those false estimates, it will be an eternal money pit.  

Simpsons nail it again.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:

This Ultra Lib that worked for me, was always touting high speed rail.  I pointed out that it hasn't worked anywhere in the U.S.

The one the California has planned, projects revenue and ridership estimates that a thoroughly unrealistic, and even with those false estimates, it will be an eternal money pit.  

Simpsons nail it again.

 

 

 

It's a boondoggle pretty much everywhere that has it. China's hemorrhages money.

Maybe it works in Europe, but Europe is small.

It seems to end up that in order to generate enough revenue to function, the prices have to be so high that it makes more sense to fly, since flying is faster. That's been my experience anyway. 

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10 hours ago, DonS said:

Anyone that is retarded enough to buy into the rainbows and unicorn dreams of a nationwide rail system - - good old fashioned, not super cool bullet trains -- should take a gander at how well the democratic/liberal led SDOT works in Seattle area. For just a couple billion (with runaway cost overruns) we're hoping for about 10 miles worth of light rail between Seattle and Lynnwood. Expected to be finished in about 6 years. 

What does that say to the mental retardation levels that Cortez is experiencing? That chick is a whacko.

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26 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

It's a boondoggle pretty much everywhere that has it. China's hemorrhages money.

Maybe it works in Europe, but Europe is small.

It seems to end up that in order to generate enough revenue to function, the prices have to be so high that it makes more sense to fly, since flying is faster. That's been my experience anyway. 

California originally projected $50 tickets, now up to $90.  Who knows what the reality will be when it's built.  Does it take a genius to see where it's going?  The poor can't afford it, so they will complain and eventually it will be fully subsidized.  The Lettuce Picker Express.

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11 hours ago, SenatorRock said:

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You have to give the big tittayed bartender credit, she already has every career Dem politician running for president sucking her clit.

She will single handedly destroy the Democratic Party. 🍿

If these people are serious about reducing co2 emissions, they should lead by example and stop exhaling. 

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2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

If these people are serious about reducing co2 emissions, they should lead by example and stop exhaling. 

Easy first step is for them to stop using planes and stick with the magical trains which already exist. 

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5 minutes ago, DonS said:

Easy first step is for them to stop using planes and stick with the magical trains which already exist. 

It's even easier to stop exhaling. All you have to do is stop inhaling and the exhaling takes care of itself.  :dunno:

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Did we find a solution to the farting cows yet?

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Its non-binding, so it is essentially hogwash.   Fake politics that they can point to for their brain dead electorate and say "look at how I am protecting you!!!"   

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19 hours ago, Bert said:

But if it is owned by the government they will be exempt from taxes.  Airlines pay a huge amount of property, Sales & Use and excise taxes.  Cortez also has no clue the amount of excise and sales taxes generated by gasoline, diesel and jet fuel. 

Aside from the socialist aspect, her ideas are terribly impractical and virtually impossible to implement.  How does anyone take her seriously?  I guess this stuff just sounds good to the greenies and free loaders. 

Let's pretend there was a way to provide free college for all.  What's the real value of that type of an education?  And, how well do people think these classes would actually be attended?

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Did we find a solution to the farting cows yet?

 

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4 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Aside from the socialist aspect, her ideas are terribly impractical and virtually impossible to implement.  How does anyone take her seriously?  I guess this stuff just sounds good to the greenies and free loaders. 

Let's pretend there was a way to provide free college for all.  What's the real value of that type of an education?  And, how well do people think these classes would actually be attended?

 

 

 

You're obviously looking at it all wrong. She said its "extremely economically strategic." What else do you need?

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2 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

 

Let's pretend there was a way to provide free college for all.  What's the real value of that type of an education?  And, how well do people think these classes would actually be attended?

 


And why would we want to?  A large percentage of our youth would be better served by a trade school education.  Pipe fitters and carpenters don't need to go to University.  FFS, AOC graduated college and look what it got us!!!  She should have gone to beauty school.

 

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12 hours ago, DonS said:

Anyone that is retarded enough to buy into the rainbows and unicorn dreams of a nationwide rail system - - good old fashioned, not super cool bullet trains -- should take a gander at how well the democratic/liberal led SDOT works in Seattle area. For just a couple billion (with runaway cost overruns) we're hoping for about 10 miles worth of light rail between Seattle and Lynnwood. Expected to be finished in about 6 years. 

Same thing is happening in LA.  

11 years behind schedule.

Original Budget $33B to connect travelers all the way from Sacramento to San Diego

Current estimate for the LA to SF run is now at $98B

https://www.city-journal.org/californias-high-speed-rail-project

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1 minute ago, vuduchile said:

Same thing is happening in LA.  

11 years behind schedule.

Original Budget $33B to connect travelers all the way from Sacramento to San Diego

Current estimate for the LA to SF run is now at $98B

https://www.city-journal.org/californias-high-speed-rail-project

They built the SunRail in Orlando a few years ago and it’s a complete waste of time and money. Last I heard only a few thousand people ride it a day and it isn’t even opened on weekends. 

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10 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

You're obviously looking at it all wrong. She said its "extremely economically strategic." What else do you need?

I stand corrected 

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10 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

You're obviously looking at it all wrong. She said its "extremely economically strategic." What else do you need?

I think that is the same thing as "strenuously object" right ....   :overhead:

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22 minutes ago, Strike said:


And why would we want to?  A large percentage of our youth would be better served by a trade school education.  Pipe fitters and carpenters don't need to go to University.  FFS, AOC graduated college and look what it got us!!!  She should have gone to beauty school.

 

Sadly, easy access to student loans has largely had the same effect as free college.  Useless degrees and a massive tax burden when we eventually have to bail them out.  

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Mass Transit works in large cities or when traveling very long distances.  Duh.   It has its place in the spectrum of all sorts of transportation.  Force feeding some single form of transit is the dumbest thing anyone has ever said.  

Pushing for reducing carbon footprint......being a global leader to reduce pollution......having local gov't provide easy access to recycling.....finding newer forms of cleaner energy.....etc etc is fantastic.

This New Green Deal is not, it's utterly ridiculous and should be mocked incessantly.   I wasnt't even going to comment but all the front running Democratic Candidates are backing it somehow.  Wow.  I want what they are smoking.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Mass Transit works in large cities or when traveling very long distances.  Duh.   It has its place in the spectrum of all sorts of transportation.  Force feeding some single form of transit is the dumbest thing anyone has ever said.  

Pushing for reducing carbon footprint......being a global leader to reduce pollution......having local gov't provide easy access to recycling.....finding newer forms of cleaner energy.....etc etc is fantastic.This New Green Deal is not, it's utterly ridiculous and should be mocked incessantly.   I wasnt't even going to comment but all the front running Democratic Candidates are backing it somehow.  Wow.  I want what they are smoking.

The libs run my county.  Sanctuary County, filled to the brim with Latinos, all of whom have both hands out all the time.

About 30 years ago they built an incinerator to handle waste. State of the art and cost a fortune. Part of the payback, was our county would start being a receiving area for many surrounding states and charge them.  Well the Lib NIMBYS found out about us receiving others garbage and said "no way".  And the county listened to them.  So it was built for a ton of money and lost money.  These people haven't the first clue on how to run anything. 

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Phoenix has a light rail which basically connects ASU main campus to downtown (where there is another campus).  It also stops at the airport.  So it provides some value, but not nearly enough to justify the cost.  Now they are talking about extending it, and when I think about it, I think it will hit other campuses, so that is probably the justification.  Somebody on the radio pointed out that the money would be better spent adding bus pull-outs in the older parts of the city, because currently the buses effectively shut down a lane of traffic when they stop.

Subways and light rail work in geographically small, dense cities like Boston.  In places like Phoenix it is a money pit.

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People taking money is corrupt, unless I do it! Also had no idea Apple was donating that much money to her campaign. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Phoenix has a light rail which basically connects ASU main campus to downtown (where there is another campus).  It also stops at the airport.  So it provides some value, but not nearly enough to justify the cost.  Now they are talking about extending it, and when I think about it, I think it will hit other campuses, so that is probably the justification.  Somebody on the radio pointed out that the money would be better spent adding bus pull-outs in the older parts of the city, because currently the buses effectively shut down a lane of traffic when they stop.

Subways and light rail work in geographically small, dense cities like Boston.  In places like Phoenix it is a money pit.

I have to disagree with you on this one Jerry.  I've been to Sydney, Australia where they have an extensive light rail system in a city the size of Los Angeles, and we have been building a pretty good light rail system here in Denver.  And I love it.  I can't specifically tell you the cost and I really don't care.  It's not all about cost. 

The problem with buses is that they use the same streets as cars.  So as traffic gets worse it impacts buses as much as cars.  Where I grew up, in Los Angeles, they started building a subway that was supposed to go from downtown LA all the way to the suburbs I grew up in at the west end of the San Fernando Valley.  They got about halfway there and for reasons I won't go in to here decided to stop at Universal City.  They said no one would get out of their cars to use a subway but the day the thing opened the parking lot was full.  Eventually they realized they shouldn't have quit at Universal City but the money wasn't there any more to build the rest of the subway line.  So they decided to build a cheap bus line along a right of way they owned.  It goes east/west and has the ability to change all the lights in it's wake to meet it's schedule.   So now this bus line basically screws up traffic for everyone going north south on every street in the west half of the valley so it can ferry people across the valley to where the subway starts.  Horribly inefficient. 

Sometimes you plan long term.  Denver's light rail system has basically been built in about 20 years.  It's not done yet but much of it is, including a line out to the airport, which is amazing.  I have a light rail station within walking distance from my house.  I use it whenever I can.  I can get dropped off right in front of Pepsi Center (Nuggets/Avs/concerts), mile high stadium (Broncos), downtown (Rockies/downtown outings), Fiddler's Green (concert ampitheatre), the airport, etc.....In Sydney I became proficient enough with their system to take it from a suburb 20 minutes outside downtown all the way across Sydney harbor to meet a business partner.  It was amazing.  The system just needs to be thought out well so it hits popular destinations. 

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56 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

I think that is the same thing as "strenuously object" right ....   :overhead:

"I strenuously object?" Is that how it works? Hm? "Objection." "Overruled." "Oh, no, no, no. No, I STRENUOUSLY object." "Oh. Well, if you strenuously object then I should take some time to reconsider."

:doh:

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While some of the specifics need to be ironed out, the plan’s authors assure us that this “massive transformation of our society” needs some “clear goals and a timeline.” The timeline is ten years. Here are some of the goals:

  • Ban affordable energy. GND calls for the elimination of all fossil fuel energy production, the lifeblood of American industry and life, which includes not only all oil but also natural gas — one of the cheapest sources of American energy, and one of the reasons the United States has been able to lead the world in carbon-emissions reduction.
  • Eliminate nuclear energy. The GND also calls for eliminating all nuclear power, one of the only productive and somewhat affordable “clean” energy sources available to us, in 11 years. This move would purge around 20 percent of American energy generation so you can rely on intermittent wind for your energy needs.
  • Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.
  • Gut and rebuild every building in America. Markey and Cortez want to “retrofit every building in America” with “state of the art energy efficiency.” I repeat, “every building in America.” That includes every home, factory, and apartment building, which will all need, for starters, to have their entire working heating and cooling systems ripped out and replaced with…well, with whatever technology Democrats are going invent in their committee hearings, I guess.
  • Eliminate air travel. GND calls for building out “highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.” Good luck Hawaii! California’s high-speed boondoggle is already in $100 billion dollars of debt, and looks to be one of the state’s biggest fiscal disasters ever. Amtrak runs billions of dollars in the red (though, as we’ll see, trains that run on fossil fuels will also be phased out). Imagine growing that business model out to every state in America?
  • A government-guaranteed job. The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.” You can imagine that those left in the private sector would be funding these through some unspecified “massive” taxation. On the bright side, when you’re foraging for food, your savings will be worthless.
  • Free education for life. GND promises free college or trade schools for every American.
  • A salubrious diet. The GND promises the government will provide “healthy food” to every American (because there are no beans or lettuce in your local supermarket, I guess).
  • A house. The GND promises that the government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen. I call dibs on an affordable Adams Morgan townhouse. Thank you, Ocasio-Cortez.
  • Free money. The GND aims to provide, and I am not making this up, “economic security” for all who are “unable or unwilling” to work. Just to reiterate: if you’re unwilling to work, the rest of us will have your back.
  • Bonus insanity: Ban meat. Ocasio-Cortez admits that we can’t get zero emissions in 10 years “because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” The only way to get rid of farting cows is to get rid of beef.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/07/ten-most-insane-requirements-green-new-deal/

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everything can run on dead baby fetuses.

 

this b;tch should go back to the bartending gig and worry about paying her rent. :rolleyes:

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I bet the people who voted for her still think they made a good choice, which I get, her stupidity resonated for them.   I love it that the Dem's have to put up with her now.... :D

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46 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

While some of the specifics need to be ironed out, the plan’s authors assure us that this “massive transformation of our society” needs some “clear goals and a timeline.” The timeline is ten years. Here are some of the goals:

  • Ban affordable energy. GND calls for the elimination of all fossil fuel energy production, the lifeblood of American industry and life, which includes not only all oil but also natural gas — one of the cheapest sources of American energy, and one of the reasons the United States has been able to lead the world in carbon-emissions reduction.
  • Eliminate nuclear energy. The GND also calls for eliminating all nuclear power, one of the only productive and somewhat affordable “clean” energy sources available to us, in 11 years. This move would purge around 20 percent of American energy generation so you can rely on intermittent wind for your energy needs.
  • Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.
  • Gut and rebuild every building in America. Markey and Cortez want to “retrofit every building in America” with “state of the art energy efficiency.” I repeat, “every building in America.” That includes every home, factory, and apartment building, which will all need, for starters, to have their entire working heating and cooling systems ripped out and replaced with…well, with whatever technology Democrats are going invent in their committee hearings, I guess.
  • Eliminate air travel. GND calls for building out “highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.” Good luck Hawaii! California’s high-speed boondoggle is already in $100 billion dollars of debt, and looks to be one of the state’s biggest fiscal disasters ever. Amtrak runs billions of dollars in the red (though, as we’ll see, trains that run on fossil fuels will also be phased out). Imagine growing that business model out to every state in America?
  • A government-guaranteed job. The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.” You can imagine that those left in the private sector would be funding these through some unspecified “massive” taxation. On the bright side, when you’re foraging for food, your savings will be worthless.
  • Free education for life. GND promises free college or trade schools for every American.
  • A salubrious diet. The GND promises the government will provide “healthy food” to every American (because there are no beans or lettuce in your local supermarket, I guess).
  • A house. The GND promises that the government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen. I call dibs on an affordable Adams Morgan townhouse. Thank you, Ocasio-Cortez.
  • Free money. The GND aims to provide, and I am not making this up, “economic security” for all who are “unable or unwilling” to work. Just to reiterate: if you’re unwilling to work, the rest of us will have your back.
  • Bonus insanity: Ban meat. Ocasio-Cortez admits that we can’t get zero emissions in 10 years “because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” The only way to get rid of farting cows is to get rid of beef.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/07/ten-most-insane-requirements-green-new-deal/

Who reads these articles and actually takes them seriously?  WHO????  I mean yes, the majority of you are not bright....But come on.   This is your "analysis"   Good God.

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

I have to disagree with you on this one Jerry.  I've been to Sydney, Australia where they have an extensive light rail system in a city the size of Los Angeles, and we have been building a pretty good light rail system here in Denver.  And I love it.  I can't specifically tell you the cost and I really don't care.  It's not all about cost. 

The problem with buses is that they use the same streets as cars.  So as traffic gets worse it impacts buses as much as cars.  Where I grew up, in Los Angeles, they started building a subway that was supposed to go from downtown LA all the way to the suburbs I grew up in at the west end of the San Fernando Valley.  They got about halfway there and for reasons I won't go in to here decided to stop at Universal City.  They said no one would get out of their cars to use a subway but the day the thing opened the parking lot was full.  Eventually they realized they shouldn't have quit at Universal City but the money wasn't there any more to build the rest of the subway line.  So they decided to build a cheap bus line along a right of way they owned.  It goes east/west and has the ability to change all the lights in it's wake to meet it's schedule.   So now this bus line basically screws up traffic for everyone going north south on every street in the west half of the valley so it can ferry people across the valley to where the subway starts.  Horribly inefficient. 

Sometimes you plan long term.  Denver's light rail system has basically been built in about 20 years.  It's not done yet but much of it is, including a line out to the airport, which is amazing.  I have a light rail station within walking distance from my house.  I use it whenever I can.  I can get dropped off right in front of Pepsi Center (Nuggets/Avs/concerts), mile high stadium (Broncos), downtown (Rockies/downtown outings), Fiddler's Green (concert ampitheatre), the airport, etc.....In Sydney I became proficient enough with their system to take it from a suburb 20 minutes outside downtown all the way across Sydney harbor to meet a business partner.  It was amazing.  The system just needs to be thought out well so it hits popular destinations. 

I'm all for local subway/light rail. Where I live, I can take the subway an hour and a half across town. Can cross the border and get right on the Hong Kong subway. There are some 25 lines between the two cities.

Another thing about good public transit... How many people in america own a vehicle that can't really afford to purchase, maintain, fuel, and insure it? But they have no choice in most American cities. Less traffic. Less pollution. Fewer dumbasses on the roads. More money in people's pockets. It's a no brainer. 

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

I have to disagree with you on this one Jerry.  I've been to Sydney, Australia where they have an extensive light rail system in a city the size of Los Angeles, and we have been building a pretty good light rail system here in Denver.  And I love it.  I can't specifically tell you the cost and I really don't care.  It's not all about cost. 

The problem with buses is that they use the same streets as cars.  So as traffic gets worse it impacts buses as much as cars.  Where I grew up, in Los Angeles, they started building a subway that was supposed to go from downtown LA all the way to the suburbs I grew up in at the west end of the San Fernando Valley.  They got about halfway there and for reasons I won't go in to here decided to stop at Universal City.  They said no one would get out of their cars to use a subway but the day the thing opened the parking lot was full.  Eventually they realized they shouldn't have quit at Universal City but the money wasn't there any more to build the rest of the subway line.  So they decided to build a cheap bus line along a right of way they owned.  It goes east/west and has the ability to change all the lights in it's wake to meet it's schedule.   So now this bus line basically screws up traffic for everyone going north south on every street in the west half of the valley so it can ferry people across the valley to where the subway starts.  Horribly inefficient. 

Sometimes you plan long term.  Denver's light rail system has basically been built in about 20 years.  It's not done yet but much of it is, including a line out to the airport, which is amazing.  I have a light rail station within walking distance from my house.  I use it whenever I can.  I can get dropped off right in front of Pepsi Center (Nuggets/Avs/concerts), mile high stadium (Broncos), downtown (Rockies/downtown outings), Fiddler's Green (concert ampitheatre), the airport, etc.....In Sydney I became proficient enough with their system to take it from a suburb 20 minutes outside downtown all the way across Sydney harbor to meet a business partner.  It was amazing.  The system just needs to be thought out well so it hits popular destinations. 

Shiot, I just typed a long response and hit a wrong button and it disappeared.  Basically:

I would agree with you if I lived a short walking distance to a stop that could take me to such places, or a short drive to a parking lot where I can do that.  I don't and most of the people in the sprawl of Phoenix will never be able to either.

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This whole thread makes me want to get into my car and take a long relaxing trip somewhere. Maybe drive cross country and visit the west. Stopping before California though.

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