TBayXXXVII 2,552 Posted January 6, 2021 2 hours ago, GutterBoy said: The woke stuff should go away now that bad orange man is out of the white house. We'll likely get back to pointless war too now that Biden is in. Doubt it. The woke stuff started under Obama. As long as Democrats can make white men feel guilty and get their votes, they'll keep pushing it. It won't stop until black people realize that the Democrat party is the root of all their ills and start voting Republican. I've seen voting stats, but I don't know how to tell what's real and what not, but I've heard that Trump got a bigger % of the black vote this year than he did in 2016. If that's true and it continues, then he might be starting to see the end of the woke movement, but it will take many, many years. Probably a decade to 2 before we see the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted January 7, 2021 One of the aspects I have mentioned repeatedly about the civil war was that, people didn't think it would happen, and then when it first broke out in 1861, most people thought it would be just a few skirmishes. Lincoln only called up troops for a 6 month deployment. We are going through the exact same mental states this time around. First, we think it can't happen. Now when talking about this attack on the US Capitol, people have moved to the next step, dismissing it as a one time event that will blow over and we will get on with our lives. If a real war scenario breaks out, I bet the next step will be to say it will last just a few months and that's it. To wit: 3 hours ago, Fireballer said: This. Its not an attempt to overthrow the government. Its a bunch of random d!ldos acting out. They can't figure out anything better to do on the Senate floor but take selfies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted January 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: One of the aspects I have mentioned repeatedly about the civil war was that, people didn't think it would happen, and then when it first broke out in 1861, most people thought it would be just a few skirmishes. Lincoln only called up troops for a 6 month deployment. We are going through the exact same mental states this time around. First, we think it can't happen. Now when talking about this attack on the US Capitol, people have moved to the next step, dismissing it as a one time event that will blow over and we will get on with our lives. If a real war scenario breaks out, I bet the next step will be to say it will last just a few months and that's it. Not gonna happen dude. This will blow over like anything else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,687 Posted January 7, 2021 29 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: One of the aspects I have mentioned repeatedly about the civil war was that, people didn't think it would happen, and then when it first broke out in 1861, most people thought it would be just a few skirmishes. Lincoln only called up troops for a 6 month deployment. We are going through the exact same mental states this time around. First, we think it can't happen. Now when talking about this attack on the US Capitol, people have moved to the next step, dismissing it as a one time event that will blow over and we will get on with our lives. If a real war scenario breaks out, I bet the next step will be to say it will last just a few months and that's it. To wit: I bet the first battles of the Civil War had dudes dressed up in bull hats and bear skins, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, nobody said: I bet the first battles of the Civil War had dudes dressed up in bull hats and bear skins, too. I've talked about that general notion as well repeatedly. In early days, you had the Green Mountain Boys who were just a loose confederation of rabble rousers, basically land pirates, harassing people and causing a ruckus. The bull hat and bear skin guy would fit right in. Later on they actually got more formally organized into a militia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,564 Posted January 7, 2021 31 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: Not gonna happen dude. This will blow over like anything else. This might blow over but we're headed in that direction. We're a nation divided. That's one problem with a two party system with no term limits. I don't see a third party emerging anytime soon. Our best bet to stave off a civil war is to implement term limits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted January 7, 2021 57 minutes ago, 5-Points said: This might blow over but we're headed in that direction. We're a nation divided. That's one problem with a two party system with no term limits. I don't see a third party emerging anytime soon. Our best bet to stave off a civil war is to implement term limits. It would be great if people would realize they don’t have to vote D or R for once. Stop voting for the lesser evil and vote for who you really want. If Biden keeps the economy moving along and doesn’t act like Trump, then everything will blow over. The extremists will always make a big deal out of every little thing but the rest of us will go about our lives like we always have. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldMaid 2,130 Posted January 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: It would be great if people would realize they don’t have to vote D or R for once. Stop voting for the lesser evil and vote for who you really want. If Biden keeps the economy moving along and doesn’t act like Trump, then everything will blow over. The extremists will always make a big deal out of every little thing but the rest of us will go about our lives like we always have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, OldMaid said: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: It would be great if people would realize they don’t have to vote D or R for once. Stop voting for the lesser evil and vote for who you really want. Been doing this my whole voting life. Fock these sorry-ass candidates that get nominated every four years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted January 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: It would be great if people would realize they don’t have to vote D or R for once. Stop voting for the lesser evil and vote for who you really want. If Biden keeps the economy moving along and doesn’t act like Trump, then everything will blow over. The extremists will always make a big deal out of every little thing but the rest of us will go about our lives like we always have. I prefer voting small government over big government. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: I prefer viting small government over big government. Too bad neither party is for small government. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty Syringes 478 Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, JustinCharge said: One of the aspects I have mentioned repeatedly about the civil war was that, people didn't think it would happen, and then when it first broke out in 1861, most people thought it would be just a few skirmishes. Lincoln only called up troops for a 6 month deployment. We are going through the exact same mental states this time around. First, we think it can't happen. Now when talking about this attack on the US Capitol, people have moved to the next step, dismissing it as a one time event that will blow over and we will get on with our lives. If a real war scenario breaks out, I bet the next step will be to say it will last just a few months and that's it. To wit: You also predicted hostage taking and throat slitting today. Didn't happen. At what point are you going to realize civil war isn't happening, or are you going to take this to the grave? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,564 Posted January 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: It would be great if people would realize they don’t have to vote D or R for once. Stop voting for the lesser evil and vote for who you really want. If Biden keeps the economy moving along and doesn’t act like Trump, then everything will blow over. The extremists will always make a big deal out of every little thing but the rest of us will go about our lives like we always have. That's not gonna happen, though. Both sides know that if they're the first to break ranks and vote 3rd party that it only ensures a victory for the other side. If a candidate ever emerges that appeals to the center-right and center-left, I'd expect that candidate to meet an untimely demise. Term limits is the answer to damn near all of our political problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, t.j said: Too bad neither party is for small government. You can't tell the difference between the left and the right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted January 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rusty Syringes said: You also predicted hostage taking and throat slitting today. Didn't happen. At what point are you going to realize civil war isn't happening, or are you going to take this to the grave? Dead chick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,687 Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, Utilit99 said: Dead chick. That no one cares about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: You can't tell the difference between the left and the right? You think R's are for small government? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,870 Posted January 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: If Biden keeps the economy moving along Have you not been listening to what the Democrats have been proposing ? JFC. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, t.j said: You think R's are for small government? Way more than liberals. Way more. One step at a time peanut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, shorepatrol said: Have you not been listening to what the Democrats have been proposing ? JFC. No. He hasn't been paying attention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, Utilit99 said: Way more than liberals. Way more. One step at a time peanut. Nope. Traditional conservative economic values no longer have a place in the Republican party. Perhaps you have today's elephants confused with the Libertarians. Or perhaps you're just guilty of wishful thinking. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,870 Posted January 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, t.j said: Nope. Traditional conservative economic values no longer have a place in the Republican party. Perhaps you have today's elephants confused with the Libertarians. Or perhaps you're just guilty of wishful thinking. Support the insane agenda that has been proposed by the Democrats. I'm waiting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted January 7, 2021 McConnell calls it civil war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted January 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: McConnell calls it civil war. Well, he’s a moron so... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,281 Posted January 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: McConnell calls it civil war. Oh SHlT!!!! IT'S ON!!!! JustinRiversChargeCo can I get a ride on your bunkeryacht out to international waters? I'm startin ta git skeered! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,687 Posted January 7, 2021 43 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: McConnell calls it civil war. No he didn't. "We fulfill this solemn duty every 4 years for nearly two centuries. Whether our nation has been at war or at peace under all manor of threats even during an ongoing armed rebellion and the civil war, the clockwork of our democracy has carried on." He actually called it an insurrection, but also characterized it as an unhinged crowd. Fact checking you is a full time job. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted January 7, 2021 I really think the country could use a divorce. I posted this sentiment before, it's not related to yesterday's events. The left and right hate each other. When I look at the left all I see is societal rot, degeneracy, and cancer. I have zero faith in them whatsoever. Whatever they think of us, fock I don't care, I'm sure it's not pleasant. What I am sure of is that they don't want us around either. I don't want to fight a civil war but the country does need splitting, we can't stand each other and we don't want each other in our lives. Find some legislative agreement, amending the Constitution would likely be needed, and just wish each other farewell. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted January 7, 2021 6 hours ago, nobody said: No he didn't. "We fulfill this solemn duty every 4 years for nearly two centuries. Whether our nation has been at war or at peace under all manor of threats even during an ongoing armed rebellion and the civil war, the clockwork of our democracy has carried on." He actually called it an insurrection, but also characterized it as an unhinged crowd. Fact checking you is a full time job. youll have to take that up with the guy who wrote the headline of the video. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Voltaire said: I really think the country could use a divorce. The left and right hate each other. When I look at the left all I see is societal rot, degeneracy, and cancer. I have zero faith in them whatsoever. Whatever they think of us, fock I don't care, I'm sure it's not pleasant. What I am sure of is that they don't want us around either. I don't want to fight a civil war but the country does need splitting, we can't stand each other and we don't want each other in our lives. Find some legislative agreement, amending the Constitution would likely be needed, and just wish each other farewell. we cant split. who gets the nukes? and going forward both sides would aim nukes at each other if the split was successful. but in reality, if we split, china would instantly be the world superpower and dominate both sides. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted January 7, 2021 look like republican leadership is going to condemn the storming of the Capitol. thats the worst case scenario of the events of 1/6. It won't soothe tensions. the rank and file republicans will respond by turning to the most radical voice they can find. so in the end, it radicalizes the nation even more. if some of them could broker a middle ground, they could keep the nation together maybe. but not like this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted January 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: we cant split. who gets the nukes? and going forward both sides would aim nukes at each other if the split was successful. but in reality, if we split, china would instantly be the world superpower and dominate both sides. Both sides split the nukes. They get them. We get them. I do not care. And I would not put a hard squeeze on the left if it means getting them out of our lives. I don't care what China thinks/does. Who cares about global balancing against China if your country is woke? I wrote this before in a different thread: I would storm the beaches of Normandy for the country I was born in but I would not roll out of bed to take a piss for woke Amerika. All that matters, is I don't want any of their woke to infect what's left of the good and decent people in the US. Preserve and protect the land of the free and the home of the brave. Cut the cancerous part out, it's irredeemable. Let them do their thing affecting only themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted January 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Voltaire said: Both sides split the nukes. They get them. We get them. I do not care. And I would not put a hard squeeze on the left if it means getting them out of our lives. I don't care what China thinks/does. Who cares about global balancing against China if your country is woke? I wrote this before in a different thread: I would storm the beaches of Normandy for the country I was born in but I would not roll out of bed to take a piss for woke Amerika. All that matters, is I don't want any of their woke to infect what's left of the good and decent people in the US. Preserve and protect the land of the free and the home of the brave. Cut the cancerous part out, it's irredeemable. Let them do their thing affecting only themselves. You don't understand. If we just simply split into 2 smaller nations, both of them will bend the knee to China. You don't get to choose your moral values anymore. You will obey China and follow its moral values. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted January 7, 2021 Some of you have really lost it. You may want to take a break from watching the news. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said: Some of you have really lost it. You may want to take a break from watching the news. In my case, while I wouldn't agree that I've lost it, what I have done is already reach the same conclusion about taking a break from watching the news. It's disheartening and nightmarish and your suggestion is very valid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GutterBoy 2,899 Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, JustinCharge said: youll have to take that up with the guy who wrote the headline of the video. You didn't even watch the video? Spreading misinformation doesn't help anybody. This is why we're in the mess we're in, lazy people repeating lies. It happens on both sides, left and right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted January 7, 2021 46 minutes ago, Voltaire said: In my case, while I wouldn't agree that I've lost it, what I have done is already reach the same conclusion about taking a break from watching the news. It's disheartening and nightmarish and your suggestion is very valid. Too much news media can be bad for everyone. It helps to get back out and do things that don’t involve any politics in order to see that things really aren’t so bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, JustinCharge said: You don't understand. If we just simply split into 2 smaller nations, both of them will bend the knee to China. You don't get to choose your moral values anymore. You will obey China and follow its moral values. You get good mileage on using the word "obey" and not wanting to obey China. The heavy handed authoritarianism in a society without bill of rights protections remains the worst thing about the place. The government system is problematic. But I don't want to dwell on that. You also mentioned Chinese Moral Values. Ha! You are so so very wrong. So Wong. That comes highly recommended. It's the best part of this place. China wins the 'moral values' argument simply by standing still as we dove in the toilet. Breathe deep. Exhale slowly. Ah! Fresh Air! Girls/Women on TV and movies are feminine. Boys/Men are masculine. No push for gender neutral words, 'policeman' remains entrenched as a in the vocabulary. Drug culture and promiscuity are shameful. Single moms are slut shamed and financially supported by her family, not the taxpayer. Actually, no one is supported by the taxpayers which is why taxes are so very low and family units are so important. No alphabet people around to recruit your kids. Your son is expected to marry a woman and support a family while your girl is expected to grow to marry a man and traditional gender roles are not erased. Boys don't compete in sports against your daughter. No lesbians around to recruit your athletic daughter. She doesn't have to shower afterwards next to Hairy Larry in a wig. Robin DiAngelo and Ibram Kindi's books are not on the bookshelf. Chinese moral values would be the sun coming out after a long storm. Warm, fresh air, butterflies, flowers, a rainbow in the sky, not on a flag. Russian, Hindu, Islamic, and Bhuddist moral values are all distantly superior to Woke moral values. I do admit, a few years ago, Woke may have been able to make a valid case for only being the second to last moral value system in the world, but with the collapse of the Islamic State caliphate, along with it went their competition for the bottom spot on the planet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Voltaire 46 Posted January 7, 2021 Honey come back to bed. Stop arguing with americans. I need you to lick my spot so I can sleep. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 1,134 Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Voltaire said: I really think the country could use a divorce. I posted this sentiment before, it's not related to yesterday's events. The left and right hate each other. When I look at the left all I see is societal rot, degeneracy, and cancer. I have zero faith in them whatsoever. Whatever they think of us, fock I don't care, I'm sure it's not pleasant. What I am sure of is that they don't want us around either. I don't want to fight a civil war but the country does need splitting, we can't stand each other and we don't want each other in our lives. Find some legislative agreement, amending the Constitution would likely be needed, and just wish each other farewell. you should stay in China 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites