What becomes of this world if Pocahontas becomes president in 2020?

[Gladiators 2,035]

What does MDC identify as?

[bostonlager 2,678]

Barack Hussein Obama's biggest accomplishment - First American president born on foreign soil. 

[Baker Boy 1,711]

16 minutes ago, MDC said:

Here you go fellas:

I look forward to your point by point refutation!  

There is no refutation, you said The Presidencies were very similar so you proved yourself wrong. Nice Job!

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

Here you go fellas:

Ethics:  Had ZERO scandals in office unless you count Fast and Furious, Benghazi, IRS Targeting, Uranium One, Unauthorized monies to Iran, Spygate, FISAgate, Unmasking Gate....................................

Governance: Whatever the polls told him so long as it ultimately contributed to the destruction of America.

National Security:  No classified information was released to foreign governments unless you count all the stuff on Hillary's private servers.

Iraq & Afghanistan: Absofockinglutely no progress.

 

Military & Veterans: Absofockinglutely no progress.

Foreign Policy: Capitulate to all dictators and surrender America's sovereignty. 

Economy: 'Those manufacturing jobs aren't coming back' (until Trump gets in office).

Healthcare: 'If you like your doctor...................'

Energy & Environment: Regulate the sh!t out of it to kill the economy.

Rights: Violated completely that of any of his political opponents.

[Baker Boy 1,711]

10 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

President Barack Obama Was the first president in this great country who will not have passed a budget in his first term of office. He submitted a budget that was defeated by a vote of 97-0. Not a single Democrat or Republican voted for it.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

The Trump base will never accept another democrat as president.  They will be forced to assume a democrat president means COMPLETELY open borders and the end of the nation.  You will IMMEDIATELY get widespread civil unrest as republicans arm themselves and take to the streets.  They will have nothing to lose at that point.  It will be a revolt that the democrats and military may be able to put down, but Russia and China will immediately support the republican revolt and label the democrats as war criminals if they put it down.  (It will be irrelevant to bring up Hong Kong).  Russia and China both FULLY understand that the democrat party is a malignant cancer that seeks to control not just the US, but is a huge threat to the world.  They will have no choice but to go to war because its the best opportunity to put the democrats down forever if they get the republicans on their side.

Its basically civil war and world war 3 if ANY democrat wins.

[RLLD 4,282]

13 minutes ago, riversco said:

The Trump base will never accept another democrat as president.  They will be forced to assume a democrat president means COMPLETELY open borders and the end of the nation.  You will IMMEDIATELY get widespread civil unrest as republicans arm themselves and take to the streets.  They will have nothing to lose at that point.  It will be a revolt that the democrats and military may be able to put down, but Russia and China will immediately support the republican revolt and label the democrats as war criminals if they put it down.  (It will be irrelevant to bring up Hong Kong).  Russia and China both FULLY understand that the democrat party is a malignant cancer that seeks to control not just the US, but is a huge threat to the world.  They will have no choice but to go to war because its the best opportunity to put the democrats down forever if they get the republicans on their side.

Its basically civil war and world war 3 if ANY democrat wins.

You do realize you just described the last few years of liberal response to Trump, right?

You cannot project the way you think on to others, conservatives do not behave that way.....

[Fireballer 2,693]

1 hour ago, Baker Boy said:

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot clashed with Sen. Ted Cruz over the latest burst of gun violence in the city, claiming Monday that Chicago’s decades-long crime problem is actually the fault of Republican-run states like Indiana – because they don’t have “commonsense gun legislation” in place.

The retort came after Cruz, R-Texas, tweeted that “gun control doesn’t work” and pointed to the Democrat-run city as evidence that “disarming law-abiding citizens isn’t the answer.” His tweet referenced an article reporting that at least 25 people were shot in Chicago during Labor Day weekend amid a continuing crime wave in the city.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chicago-mayor-clashes-with-cruz

 

She never mentioned that Red states like Indiana don’t have the same problems they do or how they would keep guns out of the country with no wall on our southern border.

It’s not the gun stupid!!!

 

 

Was this to be taken seriously?  Maybe AOC wrote those talking points for the mayor?

[supermike80 2,146]

28 minutes ago, riversco said:

The Trump base will never accept another democrat as president.  They will be forced to assume a democrat president means COMPLETELY open borders and the end of the nation.  You will IMMEDIATELY get widespread civil unrest as republicans arm themselves and take to the streets.  They will have nothing to lose at that point.  It will be a revolt that the democrats and military may be able to put down, but Russia and China will immediately support the republican revolt and label the democrats as war criminals if they put it down.  (It will be irrelevant to bring up Hong Kong).  Russia and China both FULLY understand that the democrat party is a malignant cancer that seeks to control not just the US, but is a huge threat to the world.  They will have no choice but to go to war because its the best opportunity to put the democrats down forever if they get the republicans on their side.

Its basically civil war and world war 3 if ANY democrat wins.

What the....

Dude.....Chill.

[MDC 8,085]

37 minutes ago, riversco said:

The Trump base will never accept another democrat as president.  They will be forced to assume a democrat president means COMPLETELY open borders and the end of the nation.  You will IMMEDIATELY get widespread civil unrest as republicans arm themselves and take to the streets.  They will have nothing to lose at that point.  It will be a revolt that the democrats and military may be able to put down, but Russia and China will immediately support the republican revolt and label the democrats as war criminals if they put it down.  (It will be irrelevant to bring up Hong Kong).  Russia and China both FULLY understand that the democrat party is a malignant cancer that seeks to control not just the US, but is a huge threat to the world.  They will have no choice but to go to war because its the best opportunity to put the democrats down forever if they get the republicans on their side.

Its basically civil war and world war 3 if ANY democrat wins.

So let me get this straight: If a Democrat wins in 2020 the Republican Party will go to war over it enlisting the help of Russia and China, but Democrats are the ones who hate America?  

[IGotWorms 4,063]

1 hour ago, MTSkiBum said:

Tax cuts for the wealthy fine, but he has not hurt the environment.

You can’t believe that. He’s opening up all kinds of wild areas to development. Rolling back all sorts of air quality and water quality rules, etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

He’s opening up all kinds of wild areas to development.

Inner cities have noticed an uptick in development.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

You do realize you just described the last few years of liberal response to Trump, right?

You cannot project the way you think on to others, conservatives do not behave that way.....

Our last civil war started the moment Lincoln won the election.  I guarantee you civil unrest if a democrat wins in 2020.  It won't be type of republicans on THIS forum that revolt.  It'll be the people going to Trump rallies.

We're kinda going on the same path as the first Civil War in our discourse.  Neither side listening.  Not many believed it would become a huge civil war back then until it started and then EVERYONE believed a huge civil war was coming.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

22 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

You can’t believe that. He’s opening up all kinds of wild areas to development. Rolling back all sorts of air quality and water quality rules, etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html

Most of that list is just as full of crap as the list that bakersboy posted in favor of trump.  Half the list is stuff that he has proposed and has not/will not be passed, etc.

 

 

[Herbivore 1,222]

52 minutes ago, MDC said:

So let me get this straight: If a Democrat wins in 2020 the Republican Party will go to war over it enlisting the help of Russia and China, but Democrats are the ones who hate America?  

And it's the dems that stoke fear....

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

27 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

You can’t believe that. He’s opening up all kinds of wild areas to development. Rolling back all sorts of air quality and water quality rules, etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html

 

Plus look at

60. Amended fishing regulations for a number of species to allow for longer seasons and higher catch rates.

The link just takes you to the below. I know our fishing seasons are being decimated down here and the opposite of that is true.

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/southeast/about-us/fishing-southeast

 

 

[MDC 8,085]

12 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

And it's the dems that stoke fear....

My hope for next year is that whoever wins, and that will probably be Trump, wins decisively. If we have another Bush / Gore type election you just know Don would sit there Twittering about election theft 24/7 and his cultish followers would go apeshiit. 

[Strike 6,032]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

Here you go fellas:

I look forward to your point by point refutation!  

Not gonna do a point by point because the first few are total bullsh*t.  I don't feel the need to go further.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=obama+transparency

 

[MDC 8,085]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Not gonna do a point by point because the first few are total bullsh*t.  I don't feel the need to go further.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=obama+transparency

 

According to GC logic if I repost a massive list of factoids you have to refute each one with links. If you don’t, I win. If you do, I either contest your links or dismiss the source outright as biased.

I don’t make the rules I’m just reporting them.  

[Strike 6,032]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

According to GC logic if I repost a massive list of factoids you have to refute each one with links. If you don’t, I win. If you do, I either contest your links or dismiss the source outright as biased.

I don’t make the rules I’m just reporting them.  

No, those are your faggity troll rules with HT, Hands, Sdumbass, and a few others that fock up each and every thread.  You can play by those rules if you want but the rest of us will just ignore you like usual.  Excuse me for trying to actually address your post rationally.

[Mungwater 601]

2 hours ago, bostonlager said:

Barack Hussein Obama's biggest accomplishment - First American president born on foreign soil. 

Did you miss every president before van buren?  

[bostonlager 2,678]

3 minutes ago, Mungwater said:

Did you miss every president before van buren?  

Big difference between land that would become the USA and Africa. 

[MDC 8,085]

34 minutes ago, Strike said:

No, those are your faggity troll rules with HT, Hands, Sdumbass, and a few others that fock up each and every thread.  You can play by those rules if you want but the rest of us will just ignore you like usual.  Excuse me for trying to actually address your post rationally.

I didn’t actually even read what I posted. I was making fun of the GC typical approach of posting a massive list of nonsense and expecting someone else to spend hours refuting it item by item. I thought that was obvious.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

1 hour ago, MTSkiBum said:

Most of that list is just as full of crap as the list that bakersboy posted in favor of trump.  Half the list is stuff that he has proposed and has not/will not be passed, etc.

 

 

Huh, surprised to hear this from you. As an avid outdoorsman I thought you would share my concern. And who doesn’t like clean air and water? Even setting aside global warming issues it’s not a good direction 

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Huh, surprised to hear this from you. As an avid outdoorsman I thought you would share my concern. And who doesn’t like clean air and water? Even setting aside global warming issues it’s not a good direction 

Go buy a Prius and stfu

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

9 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Huh, surprised to hear this from you. As an avid outdoorsman I thought you would share my concern. And who doesn’t like clean air and water? Even setting aside global warming issues it’s not a good direction 

 

I love the environment, but we still need industry. There needs to be a good balance between protecting the environment and not restricting industry.

 

While Trump will almost certainly swing the pendulum too far towards industry, that does not matter in the long run. The ones that Trump went too far on will be reversed long before any damage is done by the next democrat president.

 

The fact that we have two opposing parties is what allows our country to strike balance on these issues, just as long as one party does not stay in power too long.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

1 minute ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

I love the environment, but we still need industry. There needs to be a good balance between protecting the environment and not restricting industry.

 

While Trump will almost certainly swing the pendulum too far towards industry, that does not matter in the long run. The ones that Trump went too far on will be reversed long before any damage is done by the next democrat president.

 

The fact that we have two opposing parties on this issue is what allows our country to strike balance on these issues, just as long as one party does not stay in power too long.

With all due respect, that seems a very short-sighted take. For the most part we are talking finite resources here. You destroy Bristol bay, it’s gone and ain’t no Democrat going to do anything about it. Same with ANWR and the Tongass National Rainforest. And that’s just in Alaska. Overdevelopment and pollution is mostly a one way ticket to hell on earth 

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

10 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

With all due respect, that seems a very short-sighted take. For the most part we are talking finite resources here. You destroy Bristol bay, it’s gone and ain’t no Democrat going to do anything about it. Same with ANWR and the Tongass National Rainforest. And that’s just in Alaska. Overdevelopment and pollution is mostly a one way ticket to hell on earth 

 

I support drilling in ANWR, have you ever been up there? It is the perfect spot for drilling. North Dakota, Oklahoma, West Texas are other great spots for drilling. Low population, flat, boring country. We need oil and gas, and until that is no longer the case ANWR is a top 3 place in this country to drill.

I oppose the pebble mine as proposed, i think building the worlds largest dam as an earthen dam in an earthquake prone area is a bad idea. I would possibly support alternate plans, but have not read about any.

I do not have enough information about Tongass to comment.

 

 

We need a good balance between industry and the environment.

 

[fandandy 3,314]

4 hours ago, fandandy said:

At the end of the day, I think we are focked.  Trump is but an anomaly.  The Left owns the minds of the young who genuinely seem to want socialism.  Our system of government is not conducive for the 21st century.  We are like Sybil.  But I expect some form of Socialism and gun control sooner rather than later.  And for those who say gun control over my dead body, the government could close down the manufacture and distribution of ammo overnight.  Whoopideefockingdoo you got fifty guns and twelve bullets.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/walmart-to-stop-selling-handgun-ammunition

[Baker Boy 1,711]

33 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Huh, surprised to hear this from you. As an avid outdoorsman I thought you would share my concern. And who doesn’t like clean air and water? Even setting aside global warming issues it’s not a good direction 

Our water and air are getting cleaner every day, we’ve been working on this for decades.

We’ve lead the world in CO2 emission reduction for over a decade.

Why the Chicken Little act? 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

22 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

I support drilling in ANWR, have you ever been up there? It is the perfect spot for drilling. North Dakota, Oklahoma, West Texas are other great spots for drilling. Low population, flat, boring country. We need oil and gas, and until that is no longer the case ANWR is a top 3 place in this country to drill.

I oppose the pebble mine as proposed, i think building the worlds largest dam as an earthen dam in an earthquake prone area is a bad idea. I would possibly support alternate plans, but have not read about any.

I do not have enough information about Tongass to comment.

 

 

We need a good balance between industry and the environment.

 

Flat? There’s the Brooks Range. And altogether it’s one of the few vast expanses of untouched wilderness remaining in the world. Once they’re gone they’re gone. Remember what I said about this being a finite issue?

I don’t think you understand the gravity of the situation.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Flat? There’s the Brooks Range. And altogether it’s one of the few vast expanses of untouched wilderness remaining in the world. Once they’re gone they’re gone. Remember what I said about this being a finite issue?

I don’t think you understand the gravity of the situation.

The oil is in the flat part of ANWR, not in the mountainous part.

 

I have a different opinion. Although to be honest it does not matter. Even if they open it up they will not move in there. There is just not much drilling going on in Alaska right now, the oil in the lower 48 is more price competitive. It is just a political stunt by trumps team.

[TBayXXXVII 2,679]

I think there's only 1 good outcome of the 2020 election, and that's a decisive win for Trump.  All kinds of bad things will happen if the country goes full-retard and a Democrat wins.  Not to the extent that Riverco is suggestion, but only good things come from a Trump win.  For example...

• The country will continue to progress
• A possible split of the Democrat party to which we will have an official 3rd party.
  • The result of this will be more Republican's in the WH, which is the best thing for this country.
  • It will make the far left have less of an impact
  • It will help the normal Democrats separate themselves from the nutjobs (i.e. The Squad, Bernie, etc), and have more influence with the independents.
  • MSM Media MIGHT become normal (while the odds of that are small, they're significantly greater than what would happen if a Democrat wins)
• Common sense and logic will be the ruling guideline, not... feelings.

I don't see even a remotely positive outcome if a Democrat wins in 2020.

[sderk 1,040]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think there's only 1 good outcome of the 2020 election, and that's a decisive win for Trump.  All kinds of bad things will happen if the country goes full-retard and a Democrat wins.  Not to the extent that Riverco is suggestion, but only good things come from a Trump win.  For example...

• The country will continue to progress
• A possible split of the Democrat party to which we will have an official 3rd party.
  • The result of this will be more Republican's in the WH, which is the best thing for this country.
  • It will make the far left have less of an impact
  • It will help the normal Democrats separate themselves from the nutjobs (i.e. The Squad, Bernie, etc), and have more influence with the independents.
  • MSM Media MIGHT become normal (while the odds of that are small, they're significantly greater than what would happen if a Democrat wins)
• Common sense and logic will be the ruling guideline, not... feelings.

I don't see even a remotely positive outcome if a Democrat wins in 2020.

Amen.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

According to GC logic if I repost a massive list of factoids you have to refute each one with links. If you don’t, I win. If you do, I either contest your links or dismiss the source outright as biased.

I don’t make the rules I’m just reporting them.  

Except you, yourself, did not refute the list of Trump accomplishments - POINT BY POINT - like you're asking everyone else to do with the Obama list.  Why should anyone listen to you if you don't even follow your own advice? 

Typically leftist - do as i say, but not as I do.

[sderk 1,040]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Except you, yourself, did not refute the list of Trump accomplishments - POINT BY POINT - like you're asking everyone else to do with the Obama list.  Why should anyone listen to you if you don't even follow your own advice? 

Typically leftist - do as i say, but not as I do.

monkey death car = human garbage

[MDC 8,085]

4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Except you, yourself, did not refute the list of Trump accomplishments - POINT BY POINT - like you're asking everyone else to do with the Obama list.  Why should anyone listen to you if you don't even follow your own advice? 

Typically leftist - do as i say, but not as I do.

The point is that copying / pasting long lists of presidential “accomplishments” is dumb. They’re always loaded with bullshiit, nobody has the time to check the accuracy of them point by point, and nobody is going to change their mind even if you did. HTH.

[sderk 1,040]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

The point is that copying / pasting long lists of presidential “accomplishments” is dumb. They’re always loaded with bullshiit, nobody has the time to check the accuracy of them point by point, and nobody is going to change their mind even if you did. HTH.

If you disagree with anything posted, simply point it out. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,580]

1 hour ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

I support drilling in ANWR, have you ever been up there? It is the perfect spot for drilling. North Dakota, Oklahoma, West Texas are other great spots for drilling. Low population, flat, boring country. We need oil and gas, and until that is no longer the case ANWR is a top 3 place in this country to drill.

I oppose the pebble mine as proposed, i think building the worlds largest dam as an earthen dam in an earthquake prone area is a bad idea. I would possibly support alternate plans, but have not read about any.

I do not have enough information about Tongass to comment.

 

 

We need a good balance between industry and the environment.

 

I read this back and forth with Worms and I think, wow this is sensible

then I read Worms and its like omg I am a liberal, you are so wrong

every issue in this country is about moderation

 

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

I don’t think you understand the gravity of the situation.

Neither do you and you’re arguing with the one member who can actually give some knowledgeable insight, typical libtard.