Official President Trump Impeachment Inquiry Thread

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

BREAKING: Former FBI general counsel James Baker has reportedly ‘flipped’ and is now cooperating with the Barr-Durham investigation into the origins of the Russia investigation

[MDC 7,514]

6 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

MDC's rate? I'm certain a guy working the fries at McDonalds is paying less in taxes.

You okay today? Concerned.  

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Breaking News Update: The House is legally engaged in an impeachment inquiry, a federal judge ruled on Friday, delivering a major legal victory to House Democrats and undercutting arguments by President Trump and Republicans that the investigation is a sham.

The House Judiciary Committee is lawfully entitled to view secret grand jury evidence gathered by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, Judge Beryl A. Howell of the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia ruled in a 75-page opinion. Attorney General William P. Barr had withheld the material from lawmakers.

Typically, Congress has no right to view secret evidence gathered by a grand jury. But in 1974, the courts permitted the committee weighing whether to impeach President Richard M. Nixon to see such materials — and, Judge Howell ruled, the House is now engaged in the same process focused on Mr. Trump.

 

http://www.nytimes.com

[RLLD 4,256]

9 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Breaking News Update: The House is legally engaged in an impeachment inquiry, a federal judge ruled on Friday, delivering a major legal victory to House Democrats and undercutting arguments by President Trump and Republicans that the investigation is a sham.

The House Judiciary Committee is lawfully entitled to view secret grand jury evidence gathered by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, Judge Beryl A. Howell of the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia ruled in a 75-page opinion. Attorney General William P. Barr had withheld the material from lawmakers.

Typically, Congress has no right to view secret evidence gathered by a grand jury. But in 1974, the courts permitted the committee weighing whether to impeach President Richard M. Nixon to see such materials — and, Judge Howell ruled, the House is now engaged in the same process focused on Mr. Trump.

 

http://www.nytimes.com

I bet they will see this as a victory, but in reality they just boxed themselves in....

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

19 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Breaking News Update: The House is legally engaged in an impeachment inquiry, a federal judge ruled on Friday, delivering a major legal victory to House Democrats and undercutting arguments by President Trump and Republicans that the investigation is a sham.

The House Judiciary Committee is lawfully entitled to view secret grand jury evidence gathered by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, Judge Beryl A. Howell of the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia ruled in a 75-page opinion. Attorney General William P. Barr had withheld the material from lawmakers.

Typically, Congress has no right to view secret evidence gathered by a grand jury. But in 1974, the courts permitted the committee weighing whether to impeach President Richard M. Nixon to see such materials — and, Judge Howell ruled, the House is now engaged in the same process focused on Mr. Trump.

 

http://www.nytimes.com

It will be appealed and the SCOTUS will overrule it based on one note; the House Judiciary committee is not the committee considering impeachment right now; it's the House Intell Committee and there's no precident. No impeachment vote by the House Judiciary; no impeachment authority.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

42 minutes ago, MDC said:

You okay today? Concerned.  

I'm great. Flynn will soon have case thrown out, your boys from previous administration are going to be rocked, and Trump 2020 is a lock.

[MDC 7,514]

30 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

I'm great. Flynn will soon have case thrown out, your boys from previous administration are going to be rocked, and Trump 2020 is a lock.

The important stuff.  

[sderk 1,040]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

The important stuff.  

phag. ☺

[IGotWorms 4,059]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

I bet they will see this as a victory, but in reality they just boxed themselves in....

Sure, yeah, 8-D chess or whatever

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,158]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Sure, yeah, 8-D chess or whatever

Our chess goes up to 11

[Hawkeye21 2,404]

3 hours ago, Beaker15 said:

Looks like FBGheys may be shutting down the political forum.  A bunch of lefties got caught lying and attacking a pro Trump guy and Joe called them out.  We may see a lot more of Hawkeye here.

You should be so lucky. 

[drobeski 3,061]

2 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

BREAKING: Former FBI general counsel James Baker has reportedly ‘flipped’ and is now cooperating with the Barr-Durham investigation into the origins of the Russia investigation

Boom 

[Mr. Hand 482]

3 hours ago, Beaker15 said:

Looks like FBGheys may be shutting down the political forum.  A bunch of lefties got caught lying and attacking a pro Trump guy and Joe called them out.  We may see a lot more of Hawkeye here.

He sees how crappy the Anti Trump people are to others. He’s even said he has Republican friends that said they wouldn’t post there because of how they would be treated. 

[IGotWorms 4,059]

30 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Our chess goes up to 11

[Hawkeye21 2,404]

3 hours ago, Mr. Hand said:

He sees how crappy the Anti Trump people are to others. He’s even said he has Republican friends that said they wouldn’t post there because of how they would be treated. 

Who said that?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,158]

32 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Who said that?

Joe Bryant.

[Voltaire 5,322]

A) The reason we want to see presidential candidates release their tax info is because we want to know about any potential financial conflicts of interest whenever they make a ruling on something. If Candidate A is heavily invested in the XYZ industry, you may want to take that into consideration or you may want to know that any decisions that affect XYZ can financially benefit the president. Candidates all routinely divulge the information for full disclosure. Trump didn't, he was unwilling to do so and willing to take the arrows instead for not divulging the info. I found it troubling at the time.

B ) I hope Joe closes the political forum over at FBG, because that will fascilitate their people to come here which is more healthy for them even if they don't know it. Grow up, make your point, don't cry if somebody disagrees, there's no babysitter here to scare away the people who disagree. FBG people of whatever political affiliation are welcome here so far as I'm concerned. We've only gotten right wing posters from there until recently, and it's made this board skew heavily rightwards. As far as I'm concerned it's nice to not have an echo chamber. Sometimes it happens that somebody you disagree with makes a valid point and you have to reconsider. Here, they'll actually have to wrestle with what's being said rather than being coddled... any posters from there, left or right, that want to contribute thoughtfully, whould learn that they're able to speak freely here, as are people that disagree with them.

C) The political circus revolving around testimony in Congress is ongoing. It's all a big charade it seems to me. The Dems despise Trump and were looking for any excuse. They're so blinded byrage that they don't see that the Biden family's involvement in Ukraine is a few hundred trillion times more suspicious than Trump's involvement; it's totally lost on them. It's like Christine Blasey Ford and the other fake Kavenaugh accusers' baseless outrage-mania all over again. The Dems are are well advised to jettison Joe Biden because if Biden wins their nomination, Trump is going to care him up like a Thanksgiving turkey using his own bragging on his suspicions dealings in Ukraine against him which are infinity worse than Trump's.

[BirdGang 385]

7 hours ago, Mr. Hand said:

He sees how crappy the Anti Trump people are to others. He’s even said he has Republican friends that said they wouldn’t post there because of how they would be treated. 

He’s created a safe space protecting their behavior over there and treating others unfairly....you really think he has the stones to take that safe space from the majority of his base? He should do it, will be interesting to see. 

[BirdGang 385]

13 hours ago, lickin_starfish said:

He is seriously ass-hurt, like a little girl who didn't get a pony for her birthday.

Sho Cry Nuff alias 

[Hawkeye21 2,404]

4 hours ago, BirdGang said:

Sho Cry Nuff alias 

You, sir, are incorrect. 

[sderk 1,040]

16 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

MDC's rate? I'm certain a guy working the fries at McDonalds is paying less in taxes.

Wait. MDC was promoted? 

[drobeski 3,061]

17 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

BREAKING: Former FBI general counsel James Baker has reportedly ‘flipped’ and is now cooperating with the Barr-Durham investigation into the origins of the Russia investigation

McCabe dropped his wrongful termination case. Knowing he's screwed he's probably flipped also. How soon before Barry lawyers up ?

[Baker Boy 1,704]

20 hours ago, MDC said:

I haven’t learned much from any candidate’s tax return that I didn’t already suspect, which makes me wonder why Don is the first President in decades who won’t release his. That’s the point HTH.

He is under audit, he is doing it to show how petty and two face the Left really is. Thanks for playing along.

[Intense Observer 344]

14 hours ago, Voltaire said:

A) The reason we want to see presidential candidates release their tax info is because we want to know about any potential financial conflicts of interest whenever they make a ruling on something. If Candidate A is heavily invested in the XYZ industry, you may want to take that into consideration or you may want to know that any decisions that affect XYZ can financially benefit the president. Candidates all routinely divulge the information for full disclosure. Trump didn't, he was unwilling to do so and willing to take the arrows instead for not divulging the info. I found it troubling at the time.

B ) I hope Joe closes the political forum over at FBG, because that will fascilitate their people to come here which is more healthy for them even if they don't know it. Grow up, make your point, don't cry if somebody disagrees, there's no babysitter here to scare away the people who disagree. FBG people of whatever political affiliation are welcome here so far as I'm concerned. We've only gotten right wing posters from there until recently, and it's made this board skew heavily rightwards. As far as I'm concerned it's nice to not have an echo chamber. Sometimes it happens that somebody you disagree with makes a valid point and you have to reconsider. Here, they'll actually have to wrestle with what's being said rather than being coddled... any posters from there, left or right, that want to contribute thoughtfully, whould learn that they're able to speak freely here, as are people that disagree with them.

C) The political circus revolving around testimony in Congress is ongoing. It's all a big charade it seems to me. The Dems despise Trump and were looking for any excuse. They're so blinded byrage that they don't see that the Biden family's involvement in Ukraine is a few hundred trillion times more suspicious than Trump's involvement; it's totally lost on them. It's like Christine Blasey Ford and the other fake Kavenaugh accusers' baseless outrage-mania all over again. The Dems are are well advised to jettison Joe Biden because if Biden wins their nomination, Trump is going to care him up like a Thanksgiving turkey using his own bragging on his suspicions dealings in Ukraine against him which are infinity worse than Trump's.

Re: taxes

The only reason people want to see tax returns is so they can say "omgz!! The evil republican only paid $x in taxes!!!"

Nobody gives  fock what someone is invested in. When is the last time that was ever brought up in a presidential election? Also, tax returns don't show what industries someone is invested in unless they realized gains/losses during that particular year.

And thirdly, Trump released more financial disclosures and documents than any candidate in history. You can see every single industry he is invested in. Only a Walmart H&R Block 1040 EZ filer trying to get that prepaid card advance on their return thinks that Trump's tax returns are going to reveal something Earth shattering.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

On 10/26/2019 at 1:23 PM, drobeski said:

McCabe dropped his wrongful termination case. Knowing he's screwed he's probably flipped also. How soon before Barry lawyers up ?

Actually McCabe only dropped his FOIA suit; the wrongful termination suit remains.

He's in deep sh!t though. The newly released Strzok/Page texts reveal Andy was fully immersed in illegally editing those 302s. And that's just what the public knows. Durham/Barr have it all.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

So someone said today that Biden was not in office when he did whatever he did vis a vis his son. True or false? 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

5 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

So someone said today that Biden was not in office when he did whatever he did vis a vis his son. True or false? 

False as there's video of him admitting to it. He even says 'Call Obama; he'll tell ya'. The video incorrectly has 2006 in the beginning but it's a typo (should be 2016). 

 

[IGotWorms 4,059]

WASHINGTON — A White House national security official who is a decorated Iraq war veteran plans to tell House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that he heard President Trump appeal to Ukraine’s president to investigate one of his leading political rivals, a request the aide considered so damaging to American interests that he reported it to a superior. 

Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman of the Army, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, twice registered internal objections about how Mr. Trump and his inner circle weretreating Ukraine, out of what he called a “sense of duty,” he plans to tell the inquiry, according to a draft of his opening statement obtained by The New York Times. 

He will be the first White House official to testify who listened in on the July 25 telephone call between Mr. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine that is at the center of the impeachment inquiry, in which Mr. Trump asked Mr. Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. 

“I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine,” Colonel Vindman said in his statement. “I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained.”

Burisma Holdings is an energy company on whose board Mr. Biden’s son served while his father was vice president.

“This would all undermine U.S. national security,” Colonel Vindman added, referring to Mr. Trump’s comments in the call.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

He was to be interviewed privately on Tuesday by the House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight and Reform Committees, in defiance of a White House edict not to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry. 

 

The colonel, who is represented by Michael Volkov, a former federal prosecutor, declined to comment for this article. 

In his testimony, Colonel Vindman plans to say that he is not the whistle-blower who initially reported Mr. Trump’s pressure campaign on Ukraine. But he will provide an account that corroborates and fleshes out crucial elements in that complaint, which prompted Democrats to open their impeachment investigation.

[Cdub100 3,936]

[shorepatrol 1,871]

7 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

2020-2024 is going to be glorious. 

[Cdub100 3,936]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

WASHINGTON — A White House national security official who is a decorated Iraq war veteran plans to tell House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that he heard President Trump appeal to Ukraine’s president to investigate one of his leading political rivals, a request the aide considered so damaging to American interests that he reported it to a superior. 

Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman of the Army, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, twice registered internal objections about how Mr. Trump and his inner circle weretreating Ukraine, out of what he called a “sense of duty,” he plans to tell the inquiry, according to a draft of his opening statement obtained by The New York Times. 

He will be the first White House official to testify who listened in on the July 25 telephone call between Mr. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine that is at the center of the impeachment inquiry, in which Mr. Trump asked Mr. Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. 

“I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine,” Colonel Vindman said in his statement. “I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained.”

Burisma Holdings is an energy company on whose board Mr. Biden’s son served while his father was vice president.

“This would all undermine U.S. national security,” Colonel Vindman added, referring to Mr. Trump’s comments in the call.

If he did nothing wrong why did Biden Jr resign?

Why did Biden Sr lie about his dealings with his son and Ukraine?

Why did Biden brag on TV that he told the Ukrainian to fire the prosecutor looking into Biden Jrs job or he withhold aid?

Why can't liberals get it through their head it is perfectly okay for the president to ask an ally to look into criminal activity?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

He was to be interviewed privately on Tuesday by the House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight and Reform Committees, in defiance of a White House edict not to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry. 

 

The colonel, who is represented by Michael Volkov, a former federal prosecutor, declined to comment for this article. 

In his testimony, Colonel Vindman plans to say that he is not the whistle-blower who initially reported Mr. Trump’s pressure campaign on Ukraine. But he will provide an account that corroborates and fleshes out crucial elements in that complaint, which prompted Democrats to open their impeachment investigation.

How many times you going to fall for the same schtick?

I heard this guy was working with someone in the Ukraine (possibly ex Ukraine President), while assigned to the White House without clearance to do so. That sound like espionage to you? It should.

[Intense Observer 344]

$100 says there is video of this colonel focking underage girls or any age boys.

[Intense Observer 344]

I love how all-in the retards have gone on this Ukraine business.

They are calling for impeachment of someone who is trying to investigate admitted quid pro quo and election interference.

Reason for impeachment?

Quid pro quo and election interference.

I hope they keep it up for the next 12 months, sure fire way to guarantee a Trump 400+ EV victory.

 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Seems like working with Ukrainians behind the President's back. Same article Worms quotes from: 

Because he emigrated from Ukraine along with his family when he was a child and is fluent in Ukrainian and Russian, Ukrainian officials sought advice from him about how to deal with Mr. Giuliani, though they typically communicated in English.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/us/politics/Alexander-Vindman-trump-impeachment.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Reading through that article, the guy wanted the U.S. - Ukraine relationship to stay on track i.e. status quo. No digging into the past, no need to research Ukraine's 2016 election meddling, etc.

The sh!tshow by the Dems continues.

 

[IGotWorms 4,059]

11 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

Seems like working with Ukrainians behind the President's back. Same article Worms quotes from: 

Because he emigrated from Ukraine along with his family when he was a child and is fluent in Ukrainian and Russian, Ukrainian officials sought advice from him about how to deal with Mr. Giuliani, though they typically communicated in English.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/us/politics/Alexander-Vindman-trump-impeachment.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Reading through that article, the guy wanted the U.S. - Ukraine relationship to stay on track i.e. status quo. No digging into the past, no need to research Ukraine's 2016 election meddling, etc.

The sh!tshow by the Dems continues.

 

The guy’s a decorated war hero, with Purple Hearts and sh1t. I won’t say you can’t question him but you’ve better have a pretty focking good reason, no?

[lickin_starfish 1,942]

Lay it all out on the table and let US citizens see the evidence.

[drobeski 3,061]

22 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

The guy’s a decorated war hero, with Purple Hearts and sh1t. I won’t say you can’t question him but you’ve better have a pretty focking good reason, no?

Attempting to take down a sitting president is good reason, no ?

Why is it the left always plays the war hero card when defending or trying to shield their participants in the scheme from scrutiny.  

They seemed to fully support the unwarranted demonization of General Flynn and never brought up his military service as a defense.  

Its almost like they are complete hacks or something. 

[drobeski 3,061]

13 hours ago, Intense Observer said:

I love how all-in the retards have gone on this Ukraine business.

They are calling for impeachment of someone who is trying to investigate admitted quid pro quo and election interference.

Reason for impeachment?

Quid pro quo and election interference.

I hope they keep it up for the next 12 months, sure fire way to guarantee a Trump 400+ EV victory.

 

Its actually astounding