Official President Trump Impeachment Inquiry Thread

[Baker Boy 1,703]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Link? Would have to be back before the Obama Administration, I’d imagine 

Yup, you sure backed a loser there, and it took you almost 3 years to recover when Trump won.

 

 

[sderk 1,040]

58 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Yup, you sure backed a loser there, and it took you almost 3 years to recover when Trump won.

 

 

I don't think he recovered at all.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

KIEV, Ukraine — To Democrats who say that President Trump’s decision to freeze a $391 million military aid package to Ukraine was intended to bully Ukraine’s leader into carrying out investigations for Mr. Trump’s political benefit, the president and his allies have had a simple response: There could not have been any quid pro quo because the Ukrainians did not know the assistance had been blocked. 

Following testimony by William B. Taylor Jr., the top United States diplomat in Ukraine, to House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that the freezing of the aid was directly linked to Mr. Trump’s demand for the investigations, the president took to Twitter on Wednesday morning to approvingly quote a Republican member of Congress saying neither Mr. Taylor nor any other witness had “provided testimony that the Ukrainians were aware that military aid was being withheld.” 

But in fact, word of the aid freeze had gotten to high-level Ukrainian officials by the first week in August, according to interviews and documents obtained by The New York Times.

The problem was not a bureaucratic glitch, the Ukrainians were told then. To address it, they were advised, they should reach out to Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, according to the interviews and records.

The timing of the communications about the issue, which have not previously been reported, shows that Ukraine was aware the White House was holding up the funds weeks earlier than United States and Ukrainian officials had acknowledged. And it means that the Ukrainian government was aware of the freeze during most of the period in August when Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, and two American diplomats were pressing President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine to make a public commitment to the investigations being sought by Mr. Trump.

[drobeski 3,061]

3 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

KIEV, Ukraine — To Democrats who say that President Trump’s decision to freeze a $391 million military aid package to Ukraine was intended to bully Ukraine’s leader into carrying out investigations for Mr. Trump’s political benefit, the president and his allies have had a simple response: There could not have been any quid pro quo because the Ukrainians did not know the assistance had been blocked. 

Following testimony by William B. Taylor Jr., the top United States diplomat in Ukraine, to House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that the freezing of the aid was directly linked to Mr. Trump’s demand for the investigations, the president took to Twitter on Wednesday morning to approvingly quote a Republican member of Congress saying neither Mr. Taylor nor any other witness had “provided testimony that the Ukrainians were aware that military aid was being withheld.” 

But in fact, word of the aid freeze had gotten to high-level Ukrainian officials by the first week in August, according to interviews and documents obtained by The New York Times.

The problem was not a bureaucratic glitch, the Ukrainians were told then. To address it, they were advised, they should reach out to Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, according to the interviews and records.

The timing of the communications about the issue, which have not previously been reported, shows that Ukraine was aware the White House was holding up the funds weeks earlier than United States and Ukrainian officials had acknowledged. And it means that the Ukrainian government was aware of the freeze during most of the period in August when Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, and two American diplomats were pressing President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine to make a public commitment to the investigations being sought by Mr. Trump.

Russia too!

[Intense Observer 344]

Question for the libs:

Is it acceptable for Biden to withhold a billion dollars from Ukraine unless they fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma?

[drobeski 3,061]

9 minutes ago, Intense Observer said:

Question for the libs:

Is it acceptable for Biden to withhold a billion dollars from Ukraine unless they fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma?

I think I can answer for them. 

Yes, this other guy wanted him fired too. Duh!

[Voltaire 5,322]

13 hours ago, Herbivore said:

Did Biden do that on his own?  Not just saying he was doing the talking, but were other entities behind removing Shokin?

Biden did it on his own... according to him. Dude was in the middle of investigating his son's oil/gas firm for corruption and Biden brags about how he pressured Ukraine to fire him.

If it was one of Turmp's kids who did this, you'd hear about it 24/7/365.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

9 hours ago, drobeski said:

Until he gets the nomination,  he cannot be considered Trumps opponent.  This is a scientific fact totally ignored by the ignorant.  

I'll agree with some of the gripes about this process.

This one is just ridiculous. Of course he is an opponent. You don't actually have to have your name under someone else's on a ballot to be considered an opponent. Replace Biden with Pelosi... She's still a political OPPONENT, and she's not running. 

[Voltaire 5,322]

Democrats are trying to impeach a man for wanting to investigate a crime and replace him with the guy who committed the crime.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,142]

9 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Democrats want to impeach a man for wanting to investigate a crime and replace him with the guy who committed the crime.

Bingo!

It's insane.  The left has completely snapped after 2016.  If there is going to be another Civil War in this country it's going to be started by the left.  They are already laying the groundwork.

[lickin_starfish 1,942]

You can commit a crime and get away with it, as long as you run for office. Liberals are okay with this scenario.

[drobeski 3,061]

5 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

I'll agree with some of the gripes about this process.

This one is just ridiculous. Of course he is an opponent. You don't actually have to have your name under someone else's on a ballot to be considered an opponent. Replace Biden with Pelosi... She's still a political OPPONENT, and she's not running. 

Well I'll be darned, Trump is their opponent,  they better stop this illegal investigation pronto !

Jesus ...so focking stupid

[drobeski 3,061]

49 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

You can commit a crime and get away with it, as long as you run for office. Liberals are okay with this scenario.

Yep, but you have to be a democrat to attain this privilege. 

[drobeski 3,061]

5 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Democrats are trying to impeach a man for wanting to investigate a crime and replace him with the guy who committed the crime.

This.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

52 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Yep, but you have to be a democrat to attain this privilege. 

Isn’t this exactly what Trump has been saying about himself?

[drobeski 3,061]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Isn’t this exactly what Trump has been saying about himself?

Not at all, have the halted the investigation into their political opponent?

[Mike Honcho 5,297]

6 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Biden did it on his own... according to him. Dude was in the middle of investigating his son's oil/gas firm for corruption and Biden brags about how he pressured Ukraine to fire him.

If it was one of Turmp's kids who did this, you'd hear about it 24/7/365.

You should consider some other sources when investigating this...try this from May 7---way before POTUS got personally involved.

Timeline in Ukraine Probe Casts Doubt on Giuliani’s Biden Claim

 

[vuduchile 1,945]

1 hour ago, drobeski said:

Well I'll be darned, Trump is their opponent,  they better stop this illegal investigation pronto !

Jesus ...so focking stupid

This is the asanine part. 

Every single politician in the world can’t be exempt from investigation just because they have political opponents.  They all have them  

If wrongdoing is suspected, anyone should be investigated, at any time at the request of anyone else.  

 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

35 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Not at all, have the halted the investigation into their political opponent?

Trump’s admin has been saying he’s above the law. 

[Gladiators 1,995]

18 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

This is the asanine part. 

Every single politician in the world can’t be exempt from investigation just because they have political opponents.  They all have them  

If wrongdoing is suspected, anyone should be investigated, at any time at the request of anyone else.  

 

Nonstop for 3 years straight by the left...

[12th Man 884]

20 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Trump’s admin has been saying he’s above the law. 

Link?

[Voltaire 5,322]

48 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

You should consider some other sources when investigating this...try this from May 7---way before POTUS got personally involved.

Timeline in Ukraine Probe Casts Doubt on Giuliani’s Biden Claim

 

First of all, this is confusing as heck and it's impossible to figure out who's the crooks in Ukraine. We know the US MSM is in the back pocket of Biden, so we take that witha grain of salt, that's how they lead the story.... but then... buried in you own link... a few nuggets...

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Shokin has denied any accusations of wrongdoing and declined to provide immediate comment for this article. In an interview with the Ukrainian website Strana.ua published on May 6, Shokin said he believes he was fired because of his Burisma investigation, which he said had been active at the time.

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So, I don't know if he's the crook the other guys are the crooks... I am a layman far away and not qualified to determine anything.... but the guy Biden pressured to fire says explicitly that he was fired for investigating Burisma and Burisma was an ongoing investigation. This condradicts the MSM hack who wrote the piece and did the little video at the top. At least she had enough integrity to bury it 85% of the way to the bottom of her story.

Here's something else also from your link....------

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Ukraine’s incoming president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, is likely to appoint his own top prosecutor to replace Lutsenko. Under Poroshenko, Ukraine hasn’t convicted any high-ranking officials of corruption.

 

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So we don't know if Shokin, the guy Biden wanted fired was a crook. What we do know for sure is that the replaced him. The guy Biden who says was dependable, the guy he pushed for, was really good at sitting on his ass and not finding any corruption anywhere.

If you take the story and rearrange it a bit, you can make Biden look guilty or innocent without lying, just by prioritizing the right parts.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

15 minutes ago, 12th Man said:

Link?

Seriously?  You haven't seen or heard anything about this?  Just a simple google search my friend.

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+above+the+law&sxsrf=ACYBGNSj10x3soz12k8si8kwsfAMNGeCLg:1571919277357&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivpJHR77TlAhURd6wKHZjTC64Q_AUIEigB&biw=1600&bih=789

[Voltaire 5,322]

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Seriously?  You haven't seen or heard anything about this?  Just a simple google search my friend.

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+above+the+law&sxsrf=ACYBGNSj10x3soz12k8si8kwsfAMNGeCLg:1571919277357&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivpJHR77TlAhURd6wKHZjTC64Q_AUIEigB&biw=1600&bih=789

Yeah, that's been making the rounds like the last 24 hours or so. Or at least when I became aware of it.

The local NY authorities (NYC Democrats) want to get ahold of Trump's tax recods, the court case is going on now. This is from that....

https://meaww.com/trump-lawyers-say-president-cannot-be-charged-if-he-shoots-someone

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The most colorful exchange of the hearing occurred when Judge Denny Chin confronted Trump attorney William S. Consovoy over whether he thought local authorities could go after Trump if he shot somebody on Fifth Avenue.

"Nothing could be done? That's your position?" Chin asked.

 

"That's correct. Yes," Consovoy answered, saying that the president would have to be impeached first.

The exchange was a reference to a claim made by Trump when he was campaigning for president in January 2016 and said support for his campaign would not waver even if he shot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue.

[vuduchile 1,945]

Where’s the whistleblower?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/president-trump-says-wheres-whistleblower-081607245--abc-news-topstories.html

In a letter on Wednesday to Schiff, Reps. Jim Jordan, Devin Nunes and Michael McCaul said that they were surprised by his announcement that they will not receive testimony from the "anonymous intelligence community employee whose complaint initiated the so-called impeachment inquiry."

"You had earlier committed that the employee would provide 'unfiltered' testimony 'very soon,' only to reverse course following revelations that the employee had a bias against President Donald Trump and that you had received a secret, early account of the allegations," the letter from the ranking members of the oversight, intelligence and foreign affairs committees said. "As the so-called impeachment inquiry gathers information that contradicts the employee's allegations, we ask that you arrange for the Committees to receive public testimony from the employee and all individuals he or she relied upon in formulating the complaint."

An aide to Schiff declined to comment when contacted by ABC News.

[RLLD 4,254]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

You should consider some other sources when investigating this...try this from May 7---way before POTUS got personally involved.

Timeline in Ukraine Probe Casts Doubt on Giuliani’s Biden Claim

 

I know it almost a trope at this stage, but if you cannot acknowledge that Trump or Pence saying this would become an impeachable offense, then you are intellectually dishonest....

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

16 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

More than Occupy Democrats or Breitbart.  I trust CNN about as much as I trust Fox News, which is more than I trust the other two listed.

Please post a link to a Brietbart story that is incorrect. No excuses....put up or shut up.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Whistleblower admits to Intel I.G. third thing that shows anti-Trump bias.

Focking clown show

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,142]

Adam Schiff is a lying, corrupt piece of s***.  

How anyone believes him is beyond me. You have to be f****** insane to trust a word that comes out of his mouth.

This guy is dirty as they come.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

7 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

Please post a link to a Brietbart story that is incorrect. No excuses....put up or shut up.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/breitbart-fake-news-alex-marlow/

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/breitbart/statements/by/

I'm not saying that everything Breitbart says is untruthful, my point has been that they are an extremely biased news source just like Occupy Democrats is.

[Reality 3,121]

2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

First of all, this is confusing as heck and it's impossible to figure out who's the crooks in Ukraine. We know the US MSM is in the back pocket of Biden, so we take that witha grain of salt, that's how they lead the story.... but then... buried in you own link... a few nuggets...

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So, I don't know if he's the crook the other guys are the crooks... I am a layman far away and not qualified to determine anything.... but the guy Biden pressured to fire says explicitly that he was fired for investigating Burisma and Burisma was an ongoing investigation. This condradicts the MSM hack who wrote the piece and did the little video at the top. At least she had enough integrity to bury it 85% of the way to the bottom of her story.

Here's something else also from your link....------

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So we don't know if Shokin, the guy Biden wanted fired was a crook. What we do know for sure is that the replaced him. The guy Biden who says was dependable, the guy he pushed for, was really good at sitting on his ass and not finding any corruption anywhere.

If you take the story and rearrange it a bit, you can make Biden look guilty or innocent without lying, just by prioritizing the right parts.

You aren't supposed to actually read honcho's article...

All joking aside, you would have to be the most naive person on that planet to take the stance honcho has taken. It's absurd on every level, that's why most people ignore his replies. He's consistent though, I'll give him that.

[drobeski 3,061]

1 hour ago, vuduchile said:

Where’s the whistleblower?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/president-trump-says-wheres-whistleblower-081607245--abc-news-topstories.html

In a letter on Wednesday to Schiff, Reps. Jim Jordan, Devin Nunes and Michael McCaul said that they were surprised by his announcement that they will not receive testimony from the "anonymous intelligence community employee whose complaint initiated the so-called impeachment inquiry."

"You had earlier committed that the employee would provide 'unfiltered' testimony 'very soon,' only to reverse course following revelations that the employee had a bias against President Donald Trump and that you had received a secret, early account of the allegations," the letter from the ranking members of the oversight, intelligence and foreign affairs committees said. "As the so-called impeachment inquiry gathers information that contradicts the employee's allegations, we ask that you arrange for the Committees to receive public testimony from the employee and all individuals he or she relied upon in formulating the complaint."

An aide to Schiff declined to comment when contacted by ABC News.

Safe the say the whistleblower blower was fabricated.  

[drobeski 3,061]

2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

First of all, this is confusing as heck and it's impossible to figure out who's the crooks in Ukraine. We know the US MSM is in the back pocket of Biden, so we take that witha grain of salt, that's how they lead the story.... but then... buried in you own link... a few nuggets...

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So, I don't know if he's the crook the other guys are the crooks... I am a layman far away and not qualified to determine anything.... but the guy Biden pressured to fire says explicitly that he was fired for investigating Burisma and Burisma was an ongoing investigation. This condradicts the MSM hack who wrote the piece and did the little video at the top. At least she had enough integrity to bury it 85% of the way to the bottom of her story.

Here's something else also from your link....------

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So we don't know if Shokin, the guy Biden wanted fired was a crook. What we do know for sure is that the replaced him. The guy Biden who says was dependable, the guy he pushed for, was really good at sitting on his ass and not finding any corruption anywhere.

If you take the story and rearrange it a bit, you can make Biden look guilty or innocent without lying, just by prioritizing the right parts.

Schooled

[Mike Honcho 5,297]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

I know it almost a trope at this stage, but if you cannot acknowledge that Trump or Pence saying this would become an impeachable offense, then you are intellectually dishonest....

Sorry, but in the ACTUAL context that it happened, involving the Ukraine parliament, our state dept, other countries, IMF and so-on, it is not an impeachable offense no matter who said it.   It's only impeachable when you make up a false narrative that it was said to stop an investigation into the VP's son---which is  intellectually dishonest.

[Mike Honcho 5,297]

1 hour ago, Reality said:

You aren't supposed to actually read honcho's article...

All joking aside, you would have to be the most naive person on that planet to take the stance honcho has taken. It's absurd on every level, that's why most people ignore his replies. He's consistent though, I'll give him that.

I'm consistent because I stick to the facts and truth., makes thing a hell of a lot easier than trying revise and spin the story every time the President lies about something new.   

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

What the hell are the republicans doing right now?  What a mess.

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1187339967300812800?s=20

[Baker Boy 1,703]

 And still no action on the US/Mexico/Canada trade agreement.

 

[Mr. Hand 482]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What the hell are the republicans doing right now?  What a mess.

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1187339967300812800?s=20

According to you we shouldn't believe Fox News because they are biased.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,142]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What the hell are the republicans doing right now?  What a mess.

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1187339967300812800?s=20

This is kind of like when Harry Reid changed the rules and then it in a backfiring on them too.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, Mr. Hand said:

According to you we shouldn't believe Fox News because they are biased.

You can believe whatever you want to, I was just sharing the info.