Bert 1,128 Posted April 30, 2020 2 hours ago, wiffleball said: What we drop? Like four trillion dollars on 2000 phony crisis actors that didn't really die on 9/11? I mean, talk about your perspective... Yeah. But we blew by 4 trillion dollars 5 weeks ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted May 1, 2020 3 hours ago, jerryskids said: I've lost track of what side I'm supposed to be on let alone what the hell we are arguing at this point , so I'll just say that I think we should keep retirement homes on lockdown, certainly in larger metro areas, and phase them in at the end phases, since as has been pointed out they are the most likely by far to die from this, and the home can't let it spread through the facility. Is this supposed to be related to opening up the rest of the economy? You're on the right side. Logically thinking through the issue without overly politicizing every decision or falling prey to FEAR journalism. I totally understood the original plan, a short term shutdown to flatten the curve as to not over-run hospitals and take a temperature check of exactly what this virus truly is....as it was new and the sense of unknown scary. 1. We've flattened the curve. Kudos America. 2. This virus, while a nasty virus, is nowhere near as deadly (by factors of 10's) than originally thought. 3. Hospitals are not run over, even in the hottest of hot spots. Obviously places like NYC and parts of NJ will be last to open, and nursing homes will be strict for the rest of the year more than likely, but for 80% of this vast country the start of opening back up should start tomorrow. Period. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,519 Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, KSB2424 said: You're on the right side. Logically thinking through the issue without overly politicizing every decision or falling prey to FEAR journalism. I totally understood the original plan, a short term shutdown to flatten the curve as to not over-run hospitals and take a temperature check of exactly what this virus truly is....as it was new and the sense of unknown scary. 1. We've flattened the curve. Kudos America. 2. This virus, while a nasty virus, is nowhere near as deadly (by factors of 10's) than originally thought. 3. Hospitals are not run over, even in the hottest of hot spots. Obviously places like NYC and parts of NJ will be last to open, and nursing homes will be strict for the rest of the year more than likely, but for 80% of this vast country the start of opening back up should start tomorrow. Period. Agree. If you take about four places in the country out of the equation, NY/NJ metro area/ Detroit/ Massachusetts, and maybe a few other smaller hot spots, this hasn’t been a huge deal, for many reasons. Use a scalpel, not a saw. Operate, don’t amputate. Let’s see how it goes. It’s not like we can’t shut it down again if need be in a certain area. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Agree. If you take about four places in the country out of the equation, NY/NJ metro area/ Detroit/ Massachusetts, and maybe a few other smaller hot spots, this hasn’t been a huge deal, for many reasons. Use a scalpel, not a saw. Operate, don’t amputate. Let’s see how it goes. It’s not like we can’t shut it down again if need be in a certain area. I am with you. Not sure that we will be able to button it up again, so we should be pretty sure that we won’t have a big 2nd wave. For the hot spots, we still need more time, but the whole country doesn’t have to wait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,519 Posted May 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: I am with you. Not sure that we will be able to button it up again, so we should be pretty sure that we won’t have a big 2nd wave. For the hot spots, we still need more time, but the whole country doesn’t have to wait. Yes. Let the rest of the country start getting back to normal. We will have to wait. I can’t see anyone having issue with that. When I say shutting things down again I mean smaller areas. I think that could be done easier now than before. But the bigger, affected areas are going to need more time. There will be an issue with people who can leaving affected areas and going to open places. It’s already happened. That has to be discouraged or prohibited. That will be hard to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted May 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Yes. Let the rest of the country start getting back to normal. We will have to wait. I can’t see anyone having issue with that. When I say shutting things down again I mean smaller areas. I think that could be done easier now than before. But the bigger, affected areas are going to need more time. There will be an issue with people who can leaving affected areas and going to open places. It’s already happened. That has to be discouraged or prohibited. That will be hard to do. and it won’t be opening up everything all at once. Phase it in and adjust. I think people will need some time before they are ready to go back to public activities where there are crowds. Schools aren’t going back until Fall. Lots of risk there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,519 Posted May 1, 2020 Just now, Patriotsfatboy1 said: and it won’t be opening up everything all at once. Phase it in and adjust. I think people will need some time before they are ready to go back to public activities where there are crowds. Schools aren’t going back until Fall. Lots of risk there. When you think about it, it’s important for re-opening now and into the summer so we can see if schools can open. That’s a big deal here. Many people won’t be able to work anyway if schools don’t open. You’ll pay more than you make for day care, who you can expect to jack up their price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted May 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: When you think about it, it’s important for re-opening now and into the summer so we can see if schools can open. That’s a big deal here. Many people won’t be able to work anyway if schools don’t open. You’ll pay more than you make for day care, who you can expect to jack up their price. Yes, kids in school is a big deal we have to address. I don’t deal with it, but 80 percent of my team does. I think school will be messy until we have a vaccine, but I hope I am wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,631 Posted May 1, 2020 https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/04/30/small-california-county-prepares-to-defy-newsom-by-opening-bars-churches-1281627 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,272 Posted May 1, 2020 On 4/30/2020 at 8:51 AM, Bert said: The numbers that get me: 30,300,000 requested unemployment since this started. 61,000 are dead. 497 people unemployed for every person that died. Crazy Imagine how many more people would be dead if we didn't do anything to slow this down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,519 Posted May 1, 2020 Like I said in the beginning, the death count, at least in NY, is bullshit. Bank on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,877 Posted May 1, 2020 13 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Yes. Let the rest of the country start getting back to normal. We will have to wait. I can’t see anyone having issue with that. When I say shutting things down again I mean smaller areas. I think that could be done easier now than before. But the bigger, affected areas are going to need more time. There will be an issue with people who can leaving affected areas and going to open places. It’s already happened. That has to be discouraged or prohibited. That will be hard to do. Yeah but... those "open places" don't have the systemic issues like the subways in NY (have they cleaned them yet? I heard they are planning on a plan). Some people might get it as a result of the exodus, but I'd be surprised if it reached pandemic levels in those areas. 13 hours ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: Yes, kids in school is a big deal we have to address. I don’t deal with it, but 80 percent of my team does. I think school will be messy until we have a vaccine, but I hope I am wrong. Agreed. Arizona State has said that they plan to have kids in classrooms in the fall. Their president, Michael Crow, is a bit of a rebel though. Also a brilliant business guy. The UC system is trying to woo him, I hope we pony up whatever we need to do to keep him. 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Like I said in the beginning, the death count, at least in NY, is bullshit. Bank on it. Yeah, I've resolved myself to the knowledge that I'm going to lose my bet to PFB. Somebody gets hit by a bus in NYC but they coughed last week, coronafied$#@! Whatever, it will be a donation to charity so all will be good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,519 Posted May 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Yeah but... those "open places" don't have the systemic issues like the subways in NY (have they cleaned them yet? I heard they are planning on a plan). Some people might get it as a result of the exodus, but I'd be surprised if it reached pandemic levels in those areas. Agreed. Arizona State has said that they plan to have kids in classrooms in the fall. Their president, Michael Crow, is a bit of a rebel though. Also a brilliant business guy. The UC system is trying to woo him, I hope we pony up whatever we need to do to keep him. Yeah, I've resolved myself to the knowledge that I'm going to lose my bet to PFB. Somebody gets hit by a bus in NYC but they coughed last week, coronafied$#@! Whatever, it will be a donation to charity so all will be good. Have a friend that works security at Princeton. They are preparing not to open in the fall, going to on-line only. Subject to change, of course. But I assume these decisions will have to be made soon. I’m wondering if their high rate of Asians/ foreign students is playing into this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted May 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Have a friend that works security at Princeton. They are preparing not to open in the fall, going to on-line only. Subject to change, of course. But I assume these decisions will have to be made soon. I’m wondering if their high rate of Asians/ foreign students is playing into this? We do lots of work for universities. Many are looking at what it will take to retrofit a lot of their space. Just think of all of the bathrooms that might need to be adjusted to have better social distancing in the dorms, changing how the cafeterias operate and scheduling changes to stagger times for classes more to prevent tons of kids all moving around at the same time. That is just the colleges. The K-12 schools have no clue what to do at this point and almost all of those kids require a parent at home during their school if they do remote learning. Uggh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,877 Posted May 1, 2020 34 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Have a friend that works security at Princeton. They are preparing not to open in the fall, going to on-line only. Subject to change, of course. But I assume these decisions will have to be made soon. I’m wondering if their high rate of Asians/ foreign students is playing into this? MIT was like that; quick to shut down graduation ceremonies and is slow-playing opening up campus next fall. I hadn't really thought of the Asian/foreign student angle, interesting thought. Unfortunately I think MIT has turned into a liberal elite NWO factory in some ways, so I think more is at play, but I'll leave it at that for now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,519 Posted May 1, 2020 NY Schools officially shutdown rest of the year. No surprise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted May 1, 2020 Quote Gov. Bill Lee's office announced on Friday that all Tennessee inmates and correction staff will be tested for the coronavirus, part of a new widespread initiative to mitigate the spread of the virus amid multiple prison outbreaks. The governor's COVID-19 Unified Command task force announced Friday that more than half of the inmates and staff tested at Trousdale Turner Correctional Center in Trousdale County were confirmed to be positive for the virus. Of the 2,450 total tests given at the facility this week, more than 1,246 came back positive, the state reports. The prison is operated by private, for-profit management firm CoreCivic. The national corporation also runs three other Tennessee state prisons. That marks the third largest prison outbreak reported in the nation, based on data compiled by the New York Times. At the Bledsoe County Correctional Complex, 583 staff and inmates out of 2,322 tested were infected. The Tennessee correction and health departments determined that 98% of the prisons' cases were asymptomatic, according to Lee's office. Wow. When all this is said and done the "true" mortality rate of getting this virus and dying is going to be closer to 0.1 % or less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted May 1, 2020 Indiana moving in the right direction, most things opened back up by 5\11 with proper phasing and guidelines of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,624 Posted May 1, 2020 DeSantis/Florida has handled it better than all of the other major states. Never really felt like anyone was panicking here and we're opening back up Monday with P1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,623 Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, KSB2424 said: Wow. When all this is said and done the "true" mortality rate of getting this virus and dying is going to be closer to 0.1 % or less. The asymptomatic period can be between 2 and 10 days. It would be good to have a follow up study of all of these individuals in 2 weeks to see how many remain asymptomatic by age. We know that the general population asymptomatic is estimated around 25%, however that is not yet broken down by age. My guess is that the prison population is younger than average and it would be good to know the asymptomatic percent of the younger population. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naomi 356 Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, iam90sbaby said: DeSantis/Florida has handled it better than all of the other major states. Never really felt like anyone was panicking here and we're opening back up Monday with P1. That's awesome. Florida officials must have been prudent on the nursing home front in particular (accounts for many state's deaths outside of NYC). I hope the state keeps setting a good example as things ease up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,335 Posted May 2, 2020 On 4/30/2020 at 4:30 AM, iam90sbaby said: Woman Who Blamed Trump after Giving Her Husband Fish-Tank Cleaner Now Under Investigation for Murder https://www.nationalreview.com/news/woman-who-blamed-trump-after-giving-her-husband-fish-tank-cleaner-now-under-investigation-for-murder/ Oh, I would have missed this if I hadn't reviewed the entire thread. I knew there was a decent chance this was what had happened. Something smelled... fishy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,877 Posted May 2, 2020 I think Voltaire's account got covidded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taco breath 424 Posted May 2, 2020 very fishy, methinks he is still upset about his fbg bannin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted May 2, 2020 3 hours ago, jerryskids said: I think Voltaire's account got covidded. The site was having problems earlier this morning. I think Voltaire’s posts were the result of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted May 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: The site was having problems earlier this morning. I think Voltaire’s posts were the result of that. The Wuhan computer virus!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted May 3, 2020 California planning commissioner ousted after saying coronavirus can cull herd He wrote on Facebook: “the World has been introduced to a new phrase Herd Immunity which is a good one. In my opinion we need to adapt a Herd Mentality. A herd gathers it ranks, it allows the sick, the old, the injured to meet its natural course in nature.” https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-planning-commissioner-ousted-after-saying-coronavirus-can-cull-herd The guy is correct, I’ve been saying this since day one. It is a law of Nature and designed to make a species stronger. Unfortunately we will exit this pandemic weaker rather than stronger. This is just the beginning expect more and more of this in the future. Imagine, a Society petrified and immobilized by a URI. Socrates Told the truth and they killed him! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,335 Posted May 4, 2020 On 5/2/2020 at 9:56 PM, jerryskids said: I think Voltaire's account got covidded. Fock, I'll delete them. When the VPN collapses you never know what went through and what didn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted May 4, 2020 On 5/2/2020 at 12:44 PM, DonS said: The Wuhan computer virus!!! Hit your keyboard with some Lysol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,335 Posted May 4, 2020 Man the bullsh*t really runs deep in China. It's Rachel Maddow on steroids over here. You'd be amazed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted May 4, 2020 I'd like to see a study on the mental health aspects of a persons life being turned upside down for three months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted May 4, 2020 What the fock are we doing here.... 373 workers tested positive, every one was asymptomatic... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted May 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Reality said: What the fock are we doing here.... 373 workers tested positive, every one was asymptomatic... I'm not a math wizard but that would be 0.000000% Mortality rate in that plant. SHUT IT DOWN!@#! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,532 Posted May 4, 2020 46 minutes ago, KSB2424 said: I'd like to see a study on the mental health aspects of a persons life being turned upside down for three months. What’s the fatality rate for cabin fever? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted May 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, MDC said: What’s the fatality rate for cabin fever? No clue. Domestic violence would probably be up, as would former addicts who relapse, but that's just the first two things that pop in my head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted May 4, 2020 Anybody else remember how the AIDS virus could make its way through even microscopic holes in condoms, but suddenly now anybody can throw a t-shirt on their face and stop the coronavirus? Wtf? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,624 Posted May 4, 2020 Anyone notice Elon Musks new Twitter picture? It's Deus Ex, which is a video game. The game is about a government agent exposing the Illuminati and their deliberate release of a virus to control society. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,631 Posted May 4, 2020 47 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said: Anyone notice Elon Musks new Twitter picture? It's Deus Ex, which is a video game. The game is about a government agent exposing the Illuminati and their deliberate release of a virus to control society. Elon Musk seems to be losing it lately. And I'm a big fan. But man, lately he's been a little Koo Koo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted May 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, Strike said: Elon Musk seems to be losing it lately. And I'm a big fan. But man, lately he's been a little Koo Koo. Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,624 Posted May 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, Strike said: Elon Musk seems to be losing it lately. And I'm a big fan. But man, lately he's been a little Koo Koo. You don't buy the Wuhan lab theory? Not sure if it was deliberate or not but the virus originating in the Wuhan lab seems more likely to me than bat soup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites