Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Fireballer 2,642]

 

[Fireballer 2,642]

This could have all been prevented if he wore a mask.  Wait, I mean if someone else he was in contact with wore a mask, he would be OK because masks are for asymptomatic people. I'm so confused.

 

[TimHauck 2,905]

19 hours ago, Strike said:

Tim,

Let me be very clear about where I stand regarding masks since you chose to cherry pick ONE post from a thread with almost 10,000 posts in it as representative of what you seem to think I believe.

Masks may, on some technical level, be helpful.  There are a lot of variables, and I will detail the ones that come to mind below, and you tell me if you think society in general is following best practices regarding masks.  Also, unfortunately there are no standards and everyone is using their own judgment on what they think is adequate.  That's stupid.

For masks to be effective:

- The mask itself needs to do something.  There are commercial masks available that should help but most of those have to be thrown away after use and I don't think most people are using those.  Most people are using some form of reusable cloth mask.  But what is a cloth mask?  No one has said what type of cloth to use.  Every type of cloth will have different characteristics regarding stopping things from getting through it.  You see all sorts of them when you go out.  We've been given multiple cloth masks from friends who made their own out of whatever cloth they had laying around.  Alyssa focking Milano got caught wearing a mask that was crocheted together with big old gaps in it.  The point is, you can't know how effective any given mask is since there are not standards.

-  Unless you're using a disposable mask and throwing them away after each use, you need to be washing your cloth mask before each use.  Do you think people are doing that?  I'm sure as hell not.  I'd guess we wash our masks every couple weeks but it's not on any kind of schedule. 

- Many of the masks people wear don't fit really well.  So, the virus is still getting out.  It may not be as direct as not wearing a mask at all but this idea of "wear a mask" but not defining what that mask should entail, how well it should contain the virus, etc......makes this a really poor preventative measure that is giving people who buy in to it a false sense of security (see pic posted earlier today).

- In order for masks to be effective you can't touch them.  Once you touch it in the area that contacts your mouth/nose you've compromised it's effectiveness.  Do you think ANYONE is NOT touching their mask after putting it on?  They may be LESS effective if you contaminate it with Covid because now the Covid is on the mask and when you breath you just push it towards anyone in front of you.

For the reasons above, and I'm sure others I'm not thinking of at the moment, I don't believe masks are EFFECTIVE even though on a technical level they may be capable of helping.

As others have said as well, I wear my mask for the comfort level of others.  But I don't believe they're actually helping prevent the spread of this thing. 

Please save the above to a text file so that the next time you want to misrepresent my beliefs re: masks you can go back and reread it.

I didn't "misrepresent your beliefs."   I typed in "masks don't work" in the search bar and put in some of the first replies I saw.   I believe most were the complete replies.

I don't disagree with some of what you said, but I guess it depends on your definition of "effective."   The current consensus does seem to be that the risk of infection from surfaces is low, so I think you are overstating the potential negative impact of touching your mask or even not washing/discarding it (although yes, not washing it creates a risk for bacteria growing).   Yes, some of the virus gets out, and yes, as I've continued to state, masks are not going to stop the spread.  But I think they do help - below was my prior post with some of the studies I'm basing that opinion on - 

 

[Strike 5,566]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I didn't "misrepresent your beliefs."   I typed in "masks don't work" in the search bar and put in some of the first replies I saw.   I believe most were the complete replies.

 

This thread has 10,000 posts.  You can't possibly understand my stance without reading all of my responses that discuss masks.  Clearly you didn't do that.  You cherry picked a response that you felt supported your assertion of how people on this bored feel about masks.  IOW, you misrepresented my beliefs.

 

[TimHauck 2,905]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

This thread has 10,000 posts.  You can't possibly understand my stance without reading all of my responses that discuss masks.  Clearly you didn't do that.  You cherry picked a response that you felt supported your assertion of how people on this bored feel about masks.  IOW, you misrepresented my beliefs.

 

Actually I think a lot of those quotes weren't even from this thread.   But OK, maybe you didn't belong in that grouping, your quote was probably the most tame anyway.    There were still 10 others, does that qualify as "quite a few"?     Most of those weren't just people questioning their effectiveness, they were calling them BS, or making fun of people hiding in caves or being old, etc.

[TimHauck 2,905]

21 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Here's the thing...cloth masks are not doing anything to stop infection.  Really they aren't.  Think about whats going on at a micro level.  If a cloth mask stops a little spittle on a specific exhalation, it's still letting an unfathomable amount of .3 micron particles through.  And then, whatever Covid laden spittle is trapped in the cloth, is disbursed in subsequent exhalations, coughing, and sneezing.  Also, the CDC cautions against wearing masks with exhalation valves.  But, what is not addressed is that the contact surface between skin/mask is a giant exhalation valve.  Whatever aerosolized virus doesn't come straight out of the mask is escaping in all directions through the lack of a skin to mask seal.  I really have no problem with someone wearing a mask if it gives them peace of mind.  A vast majority of our population probably needs to do something to feel like they're fighting this or they would go crazy.  Masks are at least a visible symbol of the ongoing fight.  But this "lynch the mask deniers" rhetoric is pure political theater.

 

I do agree the "lynch the mask deniers" is a bit of theater.  For one, I feel like when they get confronted it just makes them more angry anyway.

And personally I'm not going to confront anyone about it.  Partly because I don't like confrontation, and partly because the people that aren't wearing masks are likely also those that are not taking other precautions or think covid is fake, etc.   I try to stay away from those people.  If the people in these videos are trying not to get sick, they should stay away from them too.

[TimHauck 2,905]

9 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Why didn't they follow this up with "but wear some type of cloth face covering because it works" ?  And don't give me this shat about lack of knowledge of asymptomatic spread. Literally, its a weak argument.

 

Well since Fauci admitted to saying part of the reason was because they wanted to prevent a shortage...

You don't think if people were told "you should wear a mask, but only a cloth one, save the good stuff for healthcare workers," that people would actually listen?

[Strike 5,566]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Actually I think a lot of those quotes weren't even from this thread.   But OK, maybe you didn't belong in that grouping, your quote was probably the most tame anyway.    There were still 10 others, does that qualify as "quite a few"?     Most of those weren't just people questioning their effectiveness, they were calling them BS, or making fun of people hiding in caves or being old, etc.

I don't care about them.  I simply asked you not to misrepresent ME.  Others can speak for themselves but I suspect others have a more nuanced opinion on masks than you give them credit for.  But that's between you and them.

[TimHauck 2,905]

3 hours ago, Fireballer said:

This could have all been prevented if he wore a mask.  Wait, I mean if someone else he was in contact with wore a mask, he would be OK because masks are for asymptomatic people. I'm so confused.

 

Well technically even in the video he says something like, "wear a mask, even if it only reduces your chances of getting it by 5%"

[TimHauck 2,905]

10 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't care about them.  I simply asked you not to misrepresent ME.  Others can speak for themselves but I suspect others have a more nuanced opinion on masks than you give them credit for.  But that's between you and them.

Well you were the one that started questioning how many people had said such things...

On 1/3/2021 at 12:34 AM, Strike said:

Please be more specific in defining "you guys."  I think it's a small number of people.  Many of us who may be strongly opposed to the idiotic restrictions being imposed on us have NOT said we believe mask usage is worthless, and we'd rather you not group us in with others who may have said that just because we don't believe in many of the restrictions on our liberty.

 

[nobody 2,687]

18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well technically even in the video he says something like, "wear a mask, even if it only reduces your chances of getting it by 5%"

I thought masks were supposed to protect other people from the wearer.  Maybe that was a lie, too.  Or maybe people saying they'll protect the wearer now is the lie.  It's hard to keep up with all of the lying.

[Strike 5,566]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well you were the one that started questioning how many people had said such things...

 

Sure because when I read the comments on here about masks I can apply context and my recollection/knowledge of that poster's previous posts on the issue.  I also know that many of us are just making fun of people who are so dogmatic that wearing a mask matters that much.  Wearing a mask is one of the least important things we can do to combat this virus but a lot of people like you act as if it's the downfall of civilization if people don't do it.  

[TimHauck 2,905]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

 Wearing a mask is one of the least important things we can do to combat this virus but a lot of people like you act as if it's the downfall of civilization if people don't do it.  

No I don’t.  I guess maybe I act like that when people try to claim masks make it worse though, my apologies 

[TimHauck 2,905]

10 hours ago, Fireballer said:

 

Looks like that was recorded in January 2020.  Although he’s probably not wrong that “they don’t drive outbreaks”

 https://www.poynter.org/?ifcn_misinformation=dr-fauci-said-that-asymptomatic-people-do-not-spread-covid-19

 

[Fireballer 2,642]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Well since Fauci admitted to saying part of the reason was because they wanted to prevent a shortage...

You don't think if people were told "you should wear a mask, but only a cloth one, save the good stuff for healthcare workers," that people would actually listen?

So you're actually asserting that the CDC and WHO have known since the beginning of this pandemic that cloth face coverings work, but just simply decided not to share the info because they thought people would ignore it?  Actual life saving info was withheld from people?  They should be brought up on murder charges.

[porkbutt 893]

On 1/3/2021 at 2:50 PM, Fireballer said:

 

 

god bless america

[Utilit99 4,099]

On 1/3/2021 at 2:50 PM, Fireballer said:

Cloth face coverings are NOT a substitute for social distancing.  This photo is OK with most because they have simply made the symbolic effort of having something on their face.  This is not safe, yet accepted.

 

If all of these people were instantly gone tomorrow, I would throw a party in honor of it.

[shorepatrol 1,870]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

  Partly because I don't like confrontation, and partly because the people that aren't wearing masks are likely also those that are not taking other precautions or think covid is fake, etc.   I try to stay away from those people.  

OK Karen 

[TimHauck 2,905]

Just now, shorepatrol said:

OK Karen 

No, Karen’s are the ones creating confrontations...

[shorepatrol 1,870]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

No, Karen’s are the ones creating confrontations...

Bigger balls than you then. Got it Nancy. 

[TimHauck 2,905]

6 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

Bigger balls than you then. Got it Nancy. 

So you criticize people for confronting anti-maskers, and then also criticize people for not confronting them.  Got it

[shorepatrol 1,870]

20 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you criticize people for confronting anti-maskers, and then also criticize people for not confronting them.  Got it

No, I called you a puzzy. Thought that was clear. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

 

[TimHauck 2,905]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

So you're actually asserting that the CDC and WHO have known since the beginning of this pandemic that cloth face coverings work, but just simply decided not to share the info because they thought people would ignore it?  Actual life saving info was withheld from people?  They should be brought up on murder charges.

I’m not asserting anything, Fauci admitted part of the reason was he wanted to prevent a run on masks (which was not cool).

However another part of the reason was that they are moreso for sick people and we didn’t have many sick people at that time.

[TimHauck 2,905]

2 hours ago, nobody said:

I thought masks were supposed to protect other people from the wearer.  Maybe that was a lie, too.  Or maybe people saying they'll protect the wearer now is the lie.  It's hard to keep up with all of the lying.

Well I’d like to think protecting people from the wearer would be better than a 5% improvement

[Rusty Syringes 478]

On 1/3/2021 at 1:50 PM, Fireballer said:

Cloth face coverings are NOT a substitute for social distancing.  This photo is OK with most because they have simply made the symbolic effort of having something on their face.  This is not safe, yet accepted.

 

4, 2, 5, 1, 6, 3, although 6 easily could be 2 if I had that much jam.

[TimHauck 2,905]

 

 

[jerryskids 6,825]

1 hour ago, Rusty Syringes said:

4, 2, 5, 1, 6, 3, although 6 easily could be 2 if I had that much jam.

You did this wrong, you are supposed to go left to right with the numbers.

At least I think you did it wrong.  NTTAWWT.   

[Fireballer 2,642]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I’m not asserting anything, Fauci admitted part of the reason was he wanted to prevent a run on masks (which was not cool).

However another part of the reason was that they are moreso for sick people and we didn’t have many sick people at that time.

How many sick people do you need before you let them in on the secret?  Shouldn't you implement the best preventative measures when illnesses are low to keep them that way?  

[drobeski 3,061]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Well I’d like to think protecting people from the wearer would be better than a 5% improvement

Seems like the cases have gone up. The net so far is bigly negative 

[jerryskids 6,825]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I’m not asserting anything, Fauci admitted part of the reason was he wanted to prevent a run on masks (which was not cool).

However another part of the reason was that they are moreso for sick people and we didn’t have many sick people at that time.

It’s more than “not cool.”  And you can say what you said earlier about believing the American people would have made a run on masks, perhaps that is true.  The point, which I’ve repeatedly made and @nobody makes as well, is that Fauci and the government established that they are Machiavellian with their guidance on this. 

Furthermore, our elected leaders have consistently had a “do as I say” attitude.  Which means they view it like the rest of us:  a disease like a nasty flu.  They put out guidances like avoid family gatherings at Christmas, knowing full well that a lot of people (including themselves) will say Fock off, but a lot are scared and will follow those rules.  And that subset will keep outbreaks marginally down, which will keep hospitals marginally less.    

[TimHauck 2,905]

20 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

How many sick people do you need before you let them in on the secret?  Shouldn't you implement the best preventative measures when illnesses are low to keep them that way?  

In hindsight yes, so as I said Fauci screwed up.  But in fairness we also didn’t know the extent of presymptomatic and to a lesser extent asymptomatic spread at the time.

While I disagree with him lying to the American people, they probably thought it was for the greater good.  I believe at the time we had maybe a few hundred cases the majority of which were only in a few states, so they probably thought if we could contain those existing cases, maybe we could have gotten a better handle on the virus.  So they didn’t want some guy in Alaska buying thousands of masks and risking health care workers in the areas where the cases actually were not having any.

But like I said, I’m on board with railing on Fauci for lying.  Just don’t also say “even Fauci said masks don’t work!”

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

In hindsight yes, so as I said Fauci screwed up.  But in fairness we also didn’t know the extent of presymptomatic and to a lesser extent asymptomatic spread at the time.

While I disagree with him lying to the American people, they probably thought it was for the greater good.  I believe at the time we had maybe a few hundred cases the majority of which were only in a few states, so they probably thought if we could contain those existing cases, maybe we could have gotten a better handle on the virus.  So they didn’t want some guy in Alaska buying thousands of masks and risking health care workers in the areas where the cases actually were not having any.

But like I said, I’m on board with railing on Fauci for lying.  Just don’t also say “even Fauci said masks don’t work!”

Here's the thing. Nobody knows anything about all this. Even very expert doctors disagree. Why stall our economy because a whole bunch of people don't know what they are talking about? newsom and pelosi don't follow their own rules and get caught yet still close businesses and ruin lives because they are above it in their minds. This is not good. Leaders lead by example. The left are a bunch of retards that need to be called out and kicked out. 

[nobody 2,687]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

In hindsight yes, so as I said Fauci screwed up.  But in fairness we also didn’t know the extent of presymptomatic and to a lesser extent asymptomatic spread at the time.

While I disagree with him lying to the American people, they probably thought it was for the greater good.  I believe at the time we had maybe a few hundred cases the majority of which were only in a few states, so they probably thought if we could contain those existing cases, maybe we could have gotten a better handle on the virus.  So they didn’t want some guy in Alaska buying thousands of masks and risking health care workers in the areas where the cases actually were not having any.

But like I said, I’m on board with railing on Fauci for lying.  Just don’t also say “even Fauci said masks don’t work!”

We know they lie.  Why should we believe presymptomatic and asymptomatic people are spreading covid?  We know they don’t follow their own guidance.  

Also, when they had confirmed a few hundred cases, they knew that meant there were thousands of cases out there.  Unless they’re incompetent.  When they’re not being incompetent, they’re lying.  Why the fūck is anyone listening to these guys?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

I am clear

so do I need to wear a mask ever again?

I can't spread it and I can't get it

also best way I would describe what I had was

unpleasant

 

 

[nobody 2,687]

23 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I am clear

so do I need to wear a mask ever again?

I can't spread it and I can't get it

also best way I would describe what I had was

unpleasant

 

 

You still have to wear a mask.  Pick the possible lie if you need a reason.

1. You can still get it.
2. You can still spread it even after being post-symptomatic
3. People need to see you wearing a mask to encourage others to do so
4. The mask is what cured you
5. The virus mutated and now you need to watch out for THAT version.
6. SCIENCE!!!

[drobeski 3,061]

Oh, about the  OMG cases and the PCR tests us fools have been railing about. Get ready kids.....

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fda-admits-pcr-tests-give-false-results-prepares-ground-biden-virus-rescue-miracle

FDA Admits PCR Tests Give False Results, Prepares Ground For Biden To "Crush" Casedemic

BY TYLER DURDEN

MONDAY, JAN 04, 2021 - 19:20

The FDA today joined The WHO and Dr.Fauci in admitting there is a notable risk of false results from the standard PCR-Test used to define whether an individual is a COVID "Case" or not.

This matters significantly as it fits perfectly with the 'fake rescue' plan we have previously described would occur once the Biden admin took office. But before we get to that 'conspiracy', we need a little background on how the world got here...

We have detailed the controversy surrounding America's COVID "casedemic" and the misleading results of the PCR test and its amplification procedure in great detail over the past few months.

 

As a reminder, "cycle thresholds" (Ct) are the level at which widely used polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test can detect a sample of the COVID-19 virus. The higher the number of cycles, the lower the amount of viral load in the sample; the lower the cycles, the more prevalent the virus was in the original sample.

Numerous epidemiological experts have argued that cycle thresholds are an important metric by which patients, the public, and policymakers can make more informed decisions about how infectious and/or sick an individual with a positive COVID-19 test might be. However, as JustTheNews reports, health departments across the country are failing to collect that data.

Here are a few headlines from those experts and scientific studies:

1. Experts compiled three datasets with officials from the states of Massachusetts, New York and Nevada that conclude:“Up to 90% of the people who tested positive did not carry a virus."

2. The Wadworth Center, a New York State laboratory, analyzed the results of its July tests at the request of the NYT: 794 positive tests with a Ct of 40: “With a Ct threshold of 35, approximately half of these PCR tests would no longer be considered positive,” said the NYT. “And about 70% would no longer be considered positive with a Ct of 30! “

3. An appeals court in Portugal has ruled that the PCR process is not a reliable test for Sars-Cov-2, and therefore any enforced quarantine based on those test results is unlawful.

4. A new study from the Infectious Diseases Society of America, found that at 25 cycles of amplification, 70% of PCR test "positives" are not "cases" since the virus cannot be cultured, it's dead. And by 35: 97% of the positives are non-clinical.

5. PCR is not testing for disease, it's testing for a specific RNA pattern and this is the key pivot. When you crank it up to 25, 70% of the positive results are not really "positives" in any clinical sense, since it cannot make you or anyone else sick

So, in summary, with regard to our current "casedemic", positive tests as they are counted today do not indicate a “case” of anything. They indicate that viral RNA was found in a nasal swab. It may be enough to make you sick, but according to the New York Times and their experts, probably won’t. And certainly not sufficient replication of the virus to make anyone else sick. But you will be sent home for ten days anyway, even if you never have a sniffle. And this is the number the media breathlessly reports... and is used to fearmonger mask mandates and lockdowns nationwide...

 

In October we first exposed how PCR Tests have misled officials worldwide into insanely authoritative reactions.

As PJMedia's Stacey Lennox wrote, the “casedemic" is the elevated number of cases we see nationwide because of a flaw in the PCR test. The number of times the sample is amplified, also called the cycle threshold (Ct), is too high.

It identifies people who do not have a viral load capable of making them ill or transmitting the disease to someone else as positive for COVID-19.

The New York Times reported this flaw on August 29 and said that in the samples they reviewed from three states where labs use a Ct of 37-40, up to 90% of tests are essentially false positives. The experts in that article said a Ct of around 30 would be more appropriate for indicating that someone could be contagious - those for whom contact tracing would make sense.

Just a few days earlier, the CDC had updated its guidelines to discourage testing for asymptomatic individuals. It can only be assumed that the rationale for this was that some honest bureaucrat figured out the testing was needlessly sensitive. He or she has probably been demoted.

This change was preceded by a July update that discouraged retesting for recovered patients. The rationale for the update was that viral debris could be detected using the PCR test for 90 days after recovery. The same would be true for some period of time if an individual had an effective immune response and never got sick. Existing immunity from exposure to other coronaviruses has been well documented. These are many of your “asymptomatic” cases.

However, due to political pressure and corporate media tantrums, the new guidance on testing was scrapped, and testing for asymptomatic individuals is now recommended again. Doctors do not receive the Ct information from the labs to make a diagnostic judgment. Neither the CDC nor the FDA has put out guidelines for an accurate Ct to diagnose a contagious illness accurately.

Hence, our current “casedemic.” Positive tests as they are counted today do not indicate a “case” of anything. They indicate that viral RNA was found in a nasal swab. It may be enough to make you sick, but according to the New York Times and their experts, probably won’t. And certainly not sufficient replication of the virus to make anyone else sick. But you will be sent home for ten days anyway, even if you never have a sniffle. And this is the number the media breathlessly reports.

A month later, Dr. Pascal Sacré, explained in great detail how all current propaganda on the COVID-19 pandemic is based on an assumption that is considered obvious, true and no longer questioned: Positive RT-PCR test means being sick with COVID.

This assumption is misleading.  Very few people, including doctors, understand how a PCR test works.

 

In mid-November, none other than he who should not be questioned - Dr. Anthony Fauci - admitted that the PCR Test's high Ct is misleading:

“What is now sort of evolving into a bit of a standard,” Fauci said, is that “if you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more … the chances of it being replication-confident are minuscule.”

“It’s very frustrating for the patients as well as for the physicians,” he continued, when “somebody comes in, and they repeat their PCR, and it’s like [a] 37 cycle threshold, but you almost never can culture virus from a 37 threshold cycle.”

So, I think if somebody does come in with 37, 38, even 36, you got to say, you know, it’s just dead nucleotides, period.”

So, if anyone raises this discussion as a "conspiracy", refer them to Dr.Fauci.

In response to this and the actual "science", Florida's Department of Health (and signed off on by Florida's Republican Governor Ron deSantis), decided that for the first time in the history of the pandemic, a state will require that all labs in the state report the critical “cycle threshold” level of every COVID-19 test they perform.

All of which leads us to today's announcement from The FDA...

 

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is alerting patients and health care providers of the risk of false results... with the Curative SARS-Cov-2 test.

And why does this matter?

Well it's simple - this is how the establishment can show Joe Biden's plan is miraculously rescue the world.

We explained the "fake rescue" plan in October.

The Fake Rescue

Biden will issue national standards, like the plexiglass barriers in restaurants he spoke about during the debate, and pressure governors to implement mask mandates using the federal government’s financial leverage (NOTE: his 100-day mask-wearing 'mandate' is already in play).

Some hack at the CDC or FDA will issue new guidance lowering the Ct the labs use, and cases will magically start to fall.

In reality, the change will only eliminate false positives, but most Americans won’t know that.

Good old Uncle Joe will be the hero, even though it is Deep-State actors in the health bureaucracies who won’t solve a problem with testing they have been aware of for months. TDS is a heck of a drug.

 

So, there you have it folks... First Fauci, then WHO, now FDA all admit there is malarkey in the PCR Tests, but have - until now, done nothing about it... allowing the daily fearmongering of soaring "cases" to enable their most twisted 1984-esque controls.

All that's needed now is for one of these estemeed groups to decide to cut the Ct for a "positive" PCR Test to say 15x or 20x and suddenly, we are rescued from the "Dark Winter" as Biden's plan slashes the positive case count dramatically... we are saved.

As an aside, this also clearly explains the disappearance of the "flu" during this season as the plethora of high Ct PCR Tests supposedly pointing to a surge in COVID are nothing of the sort.

As Stephen Lendman noted previously, claiming “lockdowns stopped flu in its tracks, (outbreaks) plummet(ting) by 98% in the United States” ignored that what’s called COVID is merely seasonal influenza combined with false positives (extremely high Ct) from PCR-Tests.

And for that reason, the great 2020 disappearing flu passes largely under the mass media’s radar. Media proliferated mass deception and power of repetition get most people to believe and having successfully "killed the flu", they will now do the same with COVID... and, if allowed by our betters, we will all return to the new normal they desire.

 

[lod001 1,344]

How long before they admit that the PCR test actually gave a positive result for everyone who was sick with the flu. They are working their way out of this slowly so as to try and not make it obvious that it was a scamdemic to get rid of Trump.

 

[Reality 3,121]

16 minutes ago, lod001 said:

How long before they admit that the PCR test actually gave a positive result for everyone who was suck with the flu. They are working their way out of this slowly so as to try and not make it obvious that it was a scamdemic to get rid of Trump.

That is what is happening, if you believe the flu is down 95% this year, you are a very special kind of stupid. The tests are woefully inaccurate.

[TimHauck 2,905]

27 minutes ago, Reality said:

That is what is happening, if you believe the flu is down 95% this year, you are a very special kind of stupid. The tests are woefully inaccurate.

Whether or not covid tests are accurate is a different argument than the ridiculous claim that the flu is just being labeled as covid.

We are still testing for flu, and most are coming back negative.

The flu has been down significantly across the world, including in places whose flu seasons were in our summer, including places like New Zealand that simultaneously didn’t have many covid cases.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/17/falling-flu-rates-in-southern-hemisphere-offers-hope-as-winter-approaches-coronavirus