Coronavirus - Doomsday

[TimHauck 2,931]

43 minutes ago, Strike said:

More with the hedging.  How is not ALL on you if you haven't gotten the Covid vaccine?

I was thinking along the lines of there are other things you can do to prevent getting covid like staying away from people, but you know what, I can get on board with saying that anyone that chooses not to be vaccinated then dies of covid, yes it’s their fault.

[jerryskids 6,854]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I agree deaths should be significantly reduced now, but I would still rather it not spread amongst the unvaccinated, some of which who may want the vaccine but be unable to get it.  I'm not really worried about myself getting it.

At this point how many people want to get it but can't, that any of us would come into contact with?

Edit: other than a handful of people who have some immuno disorder.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

11 minutes ago, nobody said:

Not to mention, they'll hand pick who they're going to subject themselves to dinner with.

Exactly.  He aint picking me 1) I'm not dumb enough to get the vaccine and 2) I'll call him Phildo during the entire meal

[TimHauck 2,931]

4 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Aren't they the most at risk of death from the disease? 

Yes (well them and old people).  But that particular poster thinks the vaccine doesn’t work so curious what his answer would be.

[Strike 5,603]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Exactly.  He aint picking me 1) I'm not dumb enough to get the vaccine and 2) I'll call him Phildo during the entire meal

Man, I'd love to 'win" a dinner with Chris Cuomo and call him Fredo all night. 

[TimHauck 2,931]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

At this point how many people want to get it but can't, that any of us would come into contact with?

Edit: other than a handful of people who have some immuno disorder.

Yes those were who I was talking about, and yes I know that’s not a lot of people.  I guess “can’t” could be arbitrary, as I’d probably include people whose doctors told them not to due to particular health issues, but they probably still could if they really wanted to.

[TimHauck 2,931]

18 minutes ago, nobody said:

My problem with this is your making other people's health my responsibility.  If you're going to do that, 1. How about people show me they give a shìt about their own health, and 2. If I'm responsible for people's health, then I want control over their life.  There shìtty life choices are affecting me now.  Either they need to accept those consequences or if they're going to put it on me, then I need control of the situation.

Yes, that’s what contagious means.  If you carry a contagious disease, you could impact other people’s health.

[nobody 2,694]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yes, that’s what contagious means.  If you carry a contagious disease, you could impact other people’s health.

But the disease is mostly dangerous for people that are already unhealthy.  You're smart.  Don't conveniently forget that.

[TBayXXXVII 2,558]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I will say I'm surprised by the number of people saying "what about the children who can't be vaccinated!!!"

They're at hardly any risk, c'mon people

I don't think the issue is about the kids themselves.  At least, in the few spots I heard it.  Teachers claimed that they shouldn't have to be in school because they could get the virus from this kids.  Well, that doesn't change if certain kids can't be vaccinated.  States are looking to put restrictions on things for people who didn't get vaccinated.  Well, that would prohibit kids who can't get vaccinated from doing things.

I haven't followed it too much though on other issues.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

23 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yes, that’s what contagious means.  If you carry a contagious disease, you could impact other people’s health.

Yeah but you already got vaxxed bro, why do you care if 2 unvaxed dooshbags infect each other?  You don't care that they eating Mcdonalds everyday.  Why do you care that they decide not to get vaxed and suck rest stop d every night? 

[Reality 3,121]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Yeah but you already got vaxxed bro, why do you care if 2 unvaxed dooshbags infect each other?  You don't care that they eating Mcdonalds everyday.  Why do you care that they decide not to get vaxed and suck rest stop d every night? 

Valid question, this whole thing is very strange. Anybody who wants the vaccine could have easily gotten it by now. 

Virtue signaling has become an important occupation for some though. Seems to have given some people a strange sense of purpose. Twitter is filled with those types of folks.

[jerryskids 6,854]

29 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yes those were who I was talking about, and yes I know that’s not a lot of people.  I guess “can’t” could be arbitrary, as I’d probably include people whose doctors told them not to due to particular health issues, but they probably still could if they really wanted to.

To steal Nobody's argument, the time has come for those folks to manage their own health, which may include continuing to self-isolate if they feel they are at serious risk.  We cannot keep the country managed for the convenience of a few people.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

6 minutes ago, Reality said:

Valid question, this whole thing is very strange. Anybody who wants the vaccine could have easily gotten it by now. 

Virtue signaling has become an important occupation for some though. Seems to have given some people a strange sense of purpose. Twitter is filled with those types of folks.

Exactly,  it was THE reason why people promoted masks.  Look at how virtuous I am, I'm wearing 57 masks in my home, socially distant, doing my part to stop this epidemic. #WECANDOTHIS.

Now vaxed people are still saying they want other people to get vaxed so they don't die?  Go fock yourself.  How about you stop people from being fat so they don't die?

[TimHauck 2,931]

30 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Yeah but you already got vaxxed bro, why do you care if 2 unvaxed dooshbags infect each other?  You don't care that they eating Mcdonalds everyday.  Why do you care that they decide not to get vaxed and suck rest stop d every night? 

Yeah, Strike did kinda convince me on that one TBH.  At this point if people die of covid it's on them for not getting the vaccine.

[TimHauck 2,931]

52 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't think the issue is about the kids themselves.  At least, in the few spots I heard it.  Teachers claimed that they shouldn't have to be in school because they could get the virus from this kids.  Well, that doesn't change if certain kids can't be vaccinated.  States are looking to put restrictions on things for people who didn't get vaccinated.  Well, that would prohibit kids who can't get vaccinated from doing things.

I haven't followed it too much though on other issues.

Interesting.  What I've seen (really just anecdotally) is a lot of parents afraid of their kids catching it.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Interesting.  What I've seen (really just anecdotally) is a lot of parents afraid of their kids catching it.

Around me I've seen parents giving it to their kids as a matter of status.  First they got it themselves and put it on Facebook, now they are doing it with their kids.  My kids have all had the vid, aint no thing.  I ain't a poosay.

[TBayXXXVII 2,558]

14 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Interesting.  What I've seen (really just anecdotally) is a lot of parents afraid of their kids catching it.

All I have in anecdotal too.  In NJ, the governor said the kids will be back in school full time in September (to those who don't know, NJ schools start after Labor Day).  I know a few teachers and I've heard them say that their union is going to fight back unless the kids are vaccinated.  Now, they haven't said that "officially", but that is what's been going around internally.  It's an election year for our governor.  It'll be interesting to see which side wins out... the politician or the union.  If the politician wins, will the teachers go on strike?  If the teachers win, I'm going to say that instead of writing a speech to say the kids will be in school, he'll be writing a concession speech, because he won't get re-elected.  I can see a real sh!t show on the horizon.

[Reality 3,121]

6 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

All I have in anecdotal too.  In NJ, the governor said the kids will be back in school full time in September (to those who don't know, NJ schools start after Labor Day).  I know a few teachers and I've heard them say that their union is going to fight back unless the kids are vaccinated.  Now, they haven't said that "officially", but that is what's been going around internally.  It's an election year for our governor.  It'll be interesting to see which side wins out... the politician or the union.  If the politician wins, will the teachers go on strike?  If the teachers win, I'm going to say that instead of writing a speech to say the kids will be in school, he'll be writing a concession speech, because he won't get re-elected.  I can see a real sh!t show on the horizon.

How can they possibly justify that when schools all over the country have been in session since last September?

[TheNewGirl 1,500]

1 minute ago, Reality said:

How can they possibly justify that when schools all over the country have been in session since last September?

Ask California teachers. 

My daughter just went back to part time (four hours a day, four days a week) about a month or so ago. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,558]

5 minutes ago, Reality said:

How can they possibly justify that when schools all over the country have been in session since last September?

That hasn't been the case in NJ.  Each district is allowed to do what they want, with the exception that full-time in class is not allowed (private schools are exempt).  Most public schools are either completely virtual or hybrid.  Even the hybrid schools only go half days.  My nephew goes M/T/T/F until 12:30, but that's only been since March.  Wednesday is just a check-in day.  You check-in between 8:30 and 9 to get credit for the day.  The day is used for students to complete unfinished work that's due on Thursday.  Prior to March, they've been virtual almost the whole year.  Many schools are like that.  There's a lot of schools that were virtually only all year.

[lod001 1,344]

Californians deserve the idiots they vote in. https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/gov-newsom-sending-vax-checkers-door-to-door/

Veronica Carrizales, with Healthy Future California, said that community-based organizations are hiring people from the targeted communities to reach out to those very same communities.

Canvassers have so far knocked on more than 231,000 doors, completed more than 1.3 million calls, and have made 13,000 appointments, according to Carrizales. 

“For most part people are happy to see us there are their doors,” Carrizales said. 

13k appointments after 231k door knocks and 1.3 m phone calls? I'd say the majority are telling these idiots to go to hell.

[lod001 1,344]

Remember to get your booster shot because the 1st 2 don't get the job done.. https://www.yahoo.com/news/ready-covid-booster-shot-pfizer-192519245.html

CEO Albert Bourla revealed during an Axios COVID-19 livestream on Tuesday that data “[supports] the notion that likely there will be a need for a booster somewhere between 8 and 12 months.”  "Gotta keep this scam rolling. It's filling my bank account"

“I believe [a booster shot] likely will be [needed] within a year,” Fauci said during the Axios livestream. “We know that the vaccine durability of the efficacy lasts at least six months and likely considerably more.” "I'm heavily invested in Pfizer."

Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel said the company will make a third booster vaccine available to Americans by the fall, McClatchy News reported. "I'm getting in on this 3rd shot gravy train, there's enough saps in this country that both of us can make a killing"

[Frozenbeernuts 2,270]

Got my 2nd shot of Moderna today. I felt completely fine except for a sore arm. I know a lot of people who feel like dog balls the next day. I guess I got lucky with the fake dose

[KSB2424 3,148]

Covid is over as far as I am concerned.  

[TimHauck 2,931]

8 hours ago, lod001 said:

You love making sh1t up. I did say the #s dead from the virus are complete bullshit.

It doesn't work. You cannot prove it works. Go get in line for your booster shot. You are once again just regurgitating the BS they feed you. "oh, he's lucky he got the vaccine because if he didn't his symptoms would have been worse and he probably would have died". You ate up that BS like it was your last meal. Just made up BS fed to the lower IQ population. You don't even realize there are millions of people walking around that don't even know they have had it. My brother and my dad are 2 of them. Only after blood tests did they know they had it.

Find me someone who died with covid and would not have with the jab. Ya can't, that's impossible. However, I got plenty I can show you that died from the jab and HAD recovered previously from covid or were totally healthy and died after the jab. People are getting covid even after being vaccinated AND let me add you are in a phase 3 trial. It's not approved for use except in an emergency...which this really isnt....except maybe for the unhealthy fatties. You are risking your life taking that crap. You cannot sue anyone if it turns south on you. It's just 'oh well, too bad'.

WTF would anyone take something that is not needed and risk death from it, when the virus won't kill them. That is true insanity.

https://www.wellspan.org/news/story/covid-19-hospitalizations-significant-in-april-wellspan-experts-continue-to-urge-vaccination/N6385?account=WellSpan+Good+Samaritan+Hospital,WellSpan+Health,WellSpan+Health+2,WellSpan+Health3,WellSpan+Philhaven&utm_campaign=&utm_content=1621438541&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0PQuV6FGGbCKi1OrBU624_JZD7xo53_gfHoSR34ac7zvbJkBAFvYAiQyM

476 hospitalizations in April at this hospital.   7 had received both doses, and only 4 were 2+ weeks since the second dose.

But nope, vaccine doesn't work.

[TimHauck 2,931]

6 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

All I have in anecdotal too.  In NJ, the governor said the kids will be back in school full time in September (to those who don't know, NJ schools start after Labor Day).  I know a few teachers and I've heard them say that their union is going to fight back unless the kids are vaccinated.  Now, they haven't said that "officially", but that is what's been going around internally.  It's an election year for our governor.  It'll be interesting to see which side wins out... the politician or the union.  If the politician wins, will the teachers go on strike?  If the teachers win, I'm going to say that instead of writing a speech to say the kids will be in school, he'll be writing a concession speech, because he won't get re-elected.  I can see a real sh!t show on the horizon.

I got the argument before, but if they're vaccinated now then they shouldn't still be doing this.   At worst have the kids wear masks still.  Besides, isn't it probably harder to teach over zoom anyway?

What age kids are you talking though?  12+ could be tricky as I could see teachers' unions wanting to mandate the vaccine.   Less than that though and the "science" seems to say that they have a low risk of spreading it (not to mention again if the teachers are vaccinated it'd be even lower risk).

[TBayXXXVII 2,558]

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I got the argument before, but if they're vaccinated now then they shouldn't still be doing this.   At worst have the kids wear masks still.  Besides, isn't it probably harder to teach over zoom anyway?

What age kids are you talking though?  12+ could be tricky as I could see teachers' unions wanting to mandate the vaccine.   Less than that though and the "science" seems to say that they have a low risk of spreading it (not to mention again if the teachers are vaccinated it'd be even lower risk).

Everyone I've interacted with seems to think teaching/learning over zoon blows, so it probably is harder.

My nephew is 13, 7th grade.  But it's the whole school district, so it's all grades/age levels.  The "science" only serves when it fits the agenda.  From last summer, they already knew that kids were the lowest risk of getting and spreading the virus, but that didn't stop schools nationwide from being remote.  Throughout the whole state, private schools were had no change to in-school learning (not all, but they were allowed to do what they wanted), not a single teacher contracted Covid from a student all year and none of them had the vaccine for the first half of the year.

[TimHauck 2,931]

11 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Covid is over as far as I am concerned.  

yay vaccines!

[Strike 5,603]

On 5/19/2021 at 8:56 AM, TimHauck said:

Agree, but if not then they should still be wearing a mask in indoor public spaces.   Not to mention it looks like Kroger still requires them for all customers anyway.

Seriously though...if the anti-vaccine need any evidence that the vaccines work, it's that you got it.

Not anymore!!! 

[DonS 3,292]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Not anymore!!! 

[TimHauck 2,931]

Stores can do what they want but what's the point of them saying they're lifting the requirement "for vaccinated customers" if it's just on the honor system?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Stores can do what they want but what's the point of them saying they're lifting the requirement "for vaccinated customers" if it's just on the honor system?

Wasn't the point to make customers feel more comfortable?  Now we see the vaxxed people still aren't.  Let's not blame the unvaxxed for that. 

[TimHauck 2,931]

2 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Wasn't the point to make customers feel more comfortable?  Now we see the vaxxed people still aren't.  Let's not blame the unvaxxed for that. 

That post wasn't blaming the unvaxxed people for anything.   I was blaming the stores for creating a policy they're not going to enforce.

[edjr 6,608]

We got this from work yesterday.

 

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  • • Employees may not inquire of the vaccine status of their colleagues
  • No longer requiring masks for fully-vaccinated employees. If preferred, employees should feel free to continue to wear masks even if vaccinated in the office.
  • Unvaccinated employees must continue to wear masks in the office

   

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[Strike 5,603]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

That post wasn't blaming the unvaxxed people for anything.   I was blaming the stores for creating a policy they're not going to enforce.

What would you have them do instead?  Make everyone wear a mask until we know that every individual in this country has been vaccinated?  What about those with antibodies from having Covid previously?  These are rhetorical questions.  IOW, there isn't much else they can do.  They're encouraging people who could still spread the disease to be responsible, while allowing those of us who have "followed the science" to get on with our lives. 

[edjr 6,608]

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-05-19/changes-in-menstruation-after-covid-19-vaccines-should-be-studied

[TimHauck 2,931]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

What would you have them do instead?  Make everyone wear a mask until we know that every individual in this country has been vaccinated?  What about those with antibodies from having Covid previously?  These are rhetorical questions.  IOW, there isn't much else they can do.  They're encouraging people who could still spread the disease to be responsible, while allowing those of us who have "followed the science" to get on with our lives. 

3 options:

1) Keep masks required for everyone

2) No masks required for anyone.  Edit: I guess you could also "suggest" unvaccinated people wear them, but not specifically say the requirement is only removed for vaccinated without actually enforcing it

3) Require masks for those without proof of vaccination or antibodies

[Strike 5,603]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

3 options:

1) Keep masks required for everyone

2) No masks required for anyone

3) Require masks for those without proof of vaccination or antibodies

I asked what YOU would have them do.  Not what their options were.  All you do is whine, hedge, and act like a general idiot.  Take a stance.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

3 options:

1) Keep masks required for everyone

2) No masks required for anyone

3) Require masks for those without proof of vaccination or antibodies

If we assume that possible litigation is the impetus for everything done in corporate America, then 1 and 2 are the only real options.  3 opens up the door for intimidation and harassment.  Ultimately 2 is the only option.  "Required" being the operative word.  Mask optional.  

[supermike80 1,937]

10 minutes ago, edjr said:

We got this from work yesterday.

 

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Just the tip.   Promise