tanatastic 2,062 Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Observer said: So three people handled it wrong. Two will be in prison and one is dead. I think Joe Bob and Cletus made out better. Not so sure. They likely go to prison which is kind of like being sent to a lions den for hurting a lion. They better buddy up with the skinheads fast in there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, tanatastic said: Not so sure. They likely go to prison which is kind of like being sent to a lions den for hurting a lion. They better buddy up with the skinheads fast in there. Geez, I sure hope nothing bad happens to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,427 Posted May 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Observer said: So three people handled it wrong. Two will be in prison and one is dead. I think Joe Bob and Cletus made out better. Happens all the time. Sometimes nobody goes to prison at all. Why so worked up about this case? Media tell you to be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted May 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Happens all the time. Sometimes nobody goes to prison at all. Why so worked up about this case? Media tell you to be? I'm minimally 'worked up' about this case. Was much more so when the video came out and the good ole' white boy network was still protecting the murderers. Things seem to be moving along nicely now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,427 Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, The Observer said: I'm minimally 'worked up' about this case. Was much more so when the video came out and the good ole' white boy network was still protecting the murderers. Things seem to be moving along nicely now. What’s the network that lets non-whites get away with crimes? Does that one bother you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,419 Posted May 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, tanatastic said: Not so sure. They likely go to prison which is kind of like being sent to a lions den for hurting a lion. They better buddy up with the skinheads fast in there. Have you seen their pic? That won’t be a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,795 Posted May 12, 2020 29 minutes ago, MDC said: Playing devil’s advocate here: Doesn’t Arbery have a right to defend himself? Seems weird to me that they’re allowed to try to physically restrain him for what as of right now seems like no good reason. But he’s not allowed to take a swing or whatever in reply? That's not quite how I thought it seemed to play out in the video, but if I missed something let me know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, MDC said: Have you seen their pic? That won’t be a problem. Yeah, I'm quite sure they already know each other Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,539 Posted May 12, 2020 36 minutes ago, jerryskids said: This reminds me a lot of the Zimmerman/Martin case, particularly the "plenty of stupid to go around" part. Differences here are (1) we have video showing Arbery rushing the one guy, so self defense words, but (2) as opposed to Zimmerman who thought Martin was up to no good (allegedly), I don't see that with the white guys. They were just being good redneck citizens to bring in a guy probably up to no good. Regardless, with that video, I have a hard time seeing any jury in Georgia convicting them. The DA might try charging them with Murder 2 and then plead down to expired tags or something, but I can't see a lawyer letting them plead to anything that involves jail time. I assume this is supposed to say works. But it doesn't. Legally, you can't create the situation you're defending yourself from. If these guys were following him and cutting him off self defense won't work IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E. 703 Posted May 12, 2020 If you confront someone on public property with a gun and shoot them you are focked and I will not worry much about what happens to you. The guy might have been doing who knows what but you can not confront and shoot him. I also think if you charge a guy with a gun unless you are convinced he is about to shoot you anyhow you are pretty stupid and asking for trouble. Unrelated to this probably but every construction site is SC, GA and FL constantly has trespassers present as soon as the crews leave. People hunt for fossils and Indian artifacts on them all the time. I know people that have made a modest living off of arrowheads they have found on construction sites after hours. They have never been harassed by people other than the construction companies or police telling them to beat it. None of them have been chased by people with guns or shot. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E. 703 Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, jerryskids said: Regardless, with that video, I have a hard time seeing any jury in Georgia convicting them. The DA might try charging them with Murder 2 and then plead down to expired tags or something, but I can't see a lawyer letting them plead to anything that involves jail time. I live about 30 minutes from there. Coastal GA is not the same as western GA. A lot of moderates here many transplants. Also a lot of the locals are minorities. In my town all the local politicians run as Democrats. If I want to vote for the Sheriff to be reelected I have to request a D ballot when I vote in the local primary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mookz 1,346 Posted May 12, 2020 22 minutes ago, Strike said: I assume this is supposed to say works. But it doesn't. Legally, you can't create the situation you're defending yourself from. If these guys were following him and cutting him off self defense won't work IMO. He meant words, but he should have spelled it "selfdefensewerds". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,419 Posted May 12, 2020 44 minutes ago, jerryskids said: That's not quite how I thought it seemed to play out in the video, but if I missed something let me know. The video I saw shows the two guys in a truck drive up on Arbery and get out, one holding a gun. He charges one and gets shot. I’m saying, why is Arbery the aggressor here and not the guys who confront him with a gun drawn? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted May 12, 2020 37 minutes ago, The Observer said: I'm minimally 'worked up' about this case. Was much more so when the video came out and the good ole' white boy network was still protecting the murderers. Things seem to be moving along nicely now. You are worked up because it's a white/back issue. The media triggered you again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,913 Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, 12th Man said: You are worked up because it's a white/back issue. The media triggered you again. No kidding. White guy appalled at perceived white behavior...how edgy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,915 Posted May 12, 2020 @The Observer @MDC @Bill E. Thank you so much for your reasonable responses. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,907 Posted May 12, 2020 Went for 5 mile jog today. broke into 7 house a new personal best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, peenie said: @The Observer @MDC @Bill E. Thank you so much for your reasonable responses. Being in the non-racist minority gets me a lot of grief around here, but I will never stop fighting the good fight. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Cdub100 said: Went for 5 mile jog today. broke into 7 house a new personal best. I walked inside at least a dozen under-construction homes in my day and have never once been hunted down and shot. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,427 Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, The Observer said: Being in the non-racist minority gets me a lot of grief around here, but I will never stop fighting the good fight. Who said anything racist besides the ones nobody even acknowledges? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,907 Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Observer said: I walked inside at least a dozen under-construction homes in my day and have never once been hunted down and shot. Me too. Got stopped once. Explained what I was doing and the contractor showed me around. Its weird because I didn't feel the need to run nor did I punch him in the face and try and take the hammer in his hand. Hmmm I guess acting like a normal adult is my white privilege showing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Cdub100 said: Me too. Got stopped once. Explained what I was doing and the contractor showed me around. Its weird because I didn't feel the need to run nor did I punch him in the face and try and take the hammer in his hand. Hmmm I guess acting like a normal adult is my white privilege showing I got to third base for the first time in a house that was under construction. In 10th Grade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,795 Posted May 12, 2020 25 minutes ago, Mookz said: He meant words, but he should have spelled it "selfdefensewerds". This is correct. 21 minutes ago, MDC said: The video I saw shows the two guys in a truck drive up on Arbery and get out, one holding a gun. He charges one and gets shot. I’m saying, why is Arbery the aggressor here and now the guys who confront him with a gun drawn? The video I saw shows the truck stopped and Arbery doing a hard left to run at the guy on the ground. What we don't know was what words were exchanged. I would hope that with two rednecks they could isolate them and find incongruities in their stories, if they exist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted May 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Observer said: Being in the non-racist minority gets me a lot of grief around here, but I will never stop fighting the good fight. Your next post on black vs black crime will be your first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, 12th Man said: Your next post on black vs black crime will be your first. I'm against it. How many times do I have to say the exact same thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,795 Posted May 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, Bill E. said: I live about 30 minutes from there. Coastal GA is not the same as western GA. A lot of moderates here many transplants. Also a lot of the locals are minorities. In my town all the local politicians run as Democrats. If I want to vote for the Sheriff to be reelected I have to request a D ballot when I vote in the local primary. This is good info, I retract my prediction and move it to 50/50 on some killing-related crime. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,987 Posted May 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Observer said: I got to third base for the first time in a house that was under construction. In 10th Grade. Maybe you should start a new thread about it. I bet you still remember his name. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,427 Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, 12th Man said: Your next post on black vs black crime will be your first. Never mind black on white crime. I guess because it’s so rare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,419 Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, jerryskids said: This is correct. The video I saw shows the truck stopped and Arbery doing a hard left to run at the guy on the ground. What we don't know was what words were exchanged. I would hope that with two rednecks they could isolate them and find incongruities in their stories, if they exist. The video quality is pretty poor from the one time I watched it. I see a truck parked as if they were trying to cut Arbery off in his progress and then a tussle. We know these guys followed him and left the truck at least one with guns drawn. Doesn’t Arbery have a right to defend himself if he’s approached this way? I’d feel threatened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Blue 06 195 Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, jerryskids said: Well, nothing happens of course -- two guys shot a bad guy who also attacked them, case closed. Which is how it was until the video came out. But now we need to racist up this bad boy. I get it. I was trying to quote a movie, but apparently I’m the only one who has ever seen A Time to Kill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Observer said: I'm against it. How many times do I have to say the exact same thing? I never said you weren't against it. I said you are a race baiting fool who only gets worked up when the media pushes its racism BS. Pay attention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,427 Posted May 12, 2020 No angels here, despite how it’s portrayed. He wasnt jogging. And claiming self defense by the shooter is pretty weak. The bigger crime is the shooting though. Lock them up, put them away and let’s move on to the next time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,915 Posted May 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: Me too. Got stopped once. Explained what I was doing and the contractor showed me around. Its weird because I didn't feel the need to run nor did I punch him in the face and try and take the hammer in his hand. Hmmm I guess acting like a normal adult is my white privilege showing But Cdubb, one of the guys was standing in the middle of the street in front of his car so when they guy ran around the car he was taken by surprise by a person pointing a gun at him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Never mind black on white crime. I guess because it’s so rare. I'm against this as well. Amazing how I'm consistent like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,427 Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, The Observer said: I'm against this as well. Amazing how I'm consistent like that. Examples of you showing your opposition? You’ve been posting here forever. There has to be some examples of you weighing in on specific cases, like this. I’ll hang up and listen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, 12th Man said: I never said you weren't against it. I said you are a race baiting fool who only gets worked up when the media pushes its racism BS. Pay attention. If I ever hear of a case where a couple of black dudes kill an unarmed white guy and it's plainly seen on a video that law enforcement has in it's possesion, yet no charges are brought for over 74 days because the one black guy is an ex-cop and buddies with the District Attorney, I'll be equally vocal about it. Deal? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
porkbutt 893 Posted May 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Gladiators said: Maybe you should start a new thread about it. I bet you still remember his name. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,795 Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, MDC said: The video quality is pretty poor from the one time I watched it. I see a truck parked as if they were trying to cut Arbery off in his progress and then a tussle. We know these guys followed him and left the truck at least one with guns drawn. Doesn’t Arbery have a right to defend himself if he’s approached this way? I’d feel threatened. I think we are in general agreement here. The question is how to figure out what was said. If the whiteys said "if you ever rob one of our houses there will be trouble" that is different than "if you run past this truck Ima shoot you in the back." Like I said, hopefully they get to the bottom of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,419 Posted May 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, jerryskids said: I think we are in general agreement here. The question is how to figure out what was said. If the whiteys said "if you ever rob one of our houses there will be trouble" that is different than "if you run past this truck Ima shoot you in the back." Like I said, hopefully they get to the bottom of it. Why does it matter what they said at all? Unless there’s audio, how would we even know? Obviously the other guy is dead. My fake lawyer take is this is manslaughter unless they’re coming directly from the scene of a burglary and have some specific reason for thinking Arbery did it. Otherwise they may have shot in self defense but they unnecessarily created the situation where that outcome was likely to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,795 Posted May 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, MDC said: Why does it matter what they said at all? Unless there’s audio, how would we even know? Obviously the other guy is dead. My fake lawyer take is this is manslaughter unless they’re coming directly from the scene of a burglary and have some specific reason for thinking Arbery did it. Otherwise they may have shot in self defense but they unnecessarily created the situation where that outcome was likely to happen. I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express yesterday so I got nuthin... All I was saying is that I would think that if expert interviewers isolated the two white guys they should be able, hopefully, to see if their stories agree. My opening statement in this thread, on this page or the previous, was that there seems to be plenty of stupid to go around. On a related note, do we have a toxicology report on any of these folks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites