Defund the police

[drobeski 3,061]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

Typical leftist thought...lets not look past today...

 

my god

[Utilit99 4,099]

I wouldn't blame the police in this country if they went on strike for a week or two to show what this country would be like without them.

 

[drobeski 3,061]

5 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I wouldn't blame the police in this country if they went on strike for a week or two to show what this country would be like without them.

 

They definitely should , only where they are hated, disrespected and unneeded.  Basically every democrat stronghold. 

They deserve it.

[porkbutt 893]

18 minutes ago, drobeski said:

my god

how do they find these people?

[drobeski 3,061]

8 minutes ago, porkbutt said:

how do they find these people?

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

11 minutes ago, porkbutt said:

how do they find these people?

In a tree. 

[The Observer 641]

3 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

I wouldn't blame the police in this country if they went on strike for a week or two to show what this country would be like without them.

 

They'd find out that a lot of their functions are just money makers pumping right back into the force. Like speeding tickets. 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

3 minutes ago, The Observer said:

They'd find out that a lot of their functions are just money makers pumping right back into the force. Like speeding tickets. 

That is true for sure.

But can you imagine how people would drive if they knew there were no cops out there patrolling? 

I don't have to imagine. I live in China and see it every day. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

23 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

That is true for sure.

But can you imagine how people would drive if they knew there were no cops out there patrolling? 

I don't have to imagine. I live in China and see it every day. 

Los Angeles has been kinda like that for 2 weeks.  You could reasonably assume that the entire police force was babysitting protestors instead of writing traffic tickets.  I didn't really see much speeding though, but then again many drivers probably didn't think it through and realize traffic cops were gone.

[Djgb13 2,339]

I see this place is a still a sh1t show and hasn’t changed much. 
 

As for defunding the police, let them. They will find out quick they need them. Especially in those liberal cities where guns are all but illegal and no one carries 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

8 minutes ago, Djgb13 said:

I see this place is a still a sh1t show and hasn’t changed much. 
 

As for defunding the police, let them. They will find out quick they need them. Especially in those liberal cities where guns are all but illegal and no one carries 

I can't wait to see some idiot sh!t hole like LA disband the police only to watch them get pillaged like the goths sacking Rome. Will be hilarious. (not really) 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Watch the liberal talking point on Camden, NJ abolishing police!

 

I have seen some people argue that defund the police doesn't mean defund the police but really just close the city police department and rely on the county to police everything.  You might hear a liberal talk about Camden, New Jersey and how it got rid of its police department and found success relying on county police.  What the liberals will fail to mention is that relying on the county worked because the county police were nonunionized, so it was cheaper to hire them, so they actually hired a lot more cops. 

So if you get a liberal mentioning Camden, remind them it was an anti-union move.  I saved the article to the Wayback Machine.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department

The transformation began after the 2012 homicide spike. The department wanted to put more officers on patrol but couldn’t afford to hire more, partly because of generous union contracts. So in 2013, the mayor and city council dissolved the local PD and signed an agreement for the county to provide shared services. The new county force is double the size of the old one, and officers almost exclusively patrol the city. (They were initially nonunion but have since unionized.)

[Utilit99 4,099]

7 minutes ago, riversco said:

Watch the liberal talking point on Camden, NJ abolishing police!

 

I have seen some people argue that defund the police doesn't mean defund the police but really just close the city police department and rely on the county to police everything.  You might hear a liberal talk about Camden, New Jersey and how it got rid of its police department and found success relying on county police.  What the liberals will fail to mention is that relying on the county worked because the county police were nonunionized, so it was cheaper to hire them, so they actually hired a lot more cops. 

So if you get a liberal mentioning Camden, remind them it was an anti-union move.  I saved the article to the Wayback Machine.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department

The transformation began after the 2012 homicide spike. The department wanted to put more officers on patrol but couldn’t afford to hire more, partly because of generous union contracts. So in 2013, the mayor and city council dissolved the local PD and signed an agreement for the county to provide shared services. The new county force is double the size of the old one, and officers almost exclusively patrol the city. (They were initially nonunion but have since unionized.)

Chances of becoming a victim of violent crime in Camden: 1 in 62

Chances of becoming a victim of violent crime in all of New Jersey: 1 in 481

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

They leave out that Camden also ringed the city with cameras. 

[joneo 556]

9 hours ago, The Observer said:

lol  Ok dude. If you aren't seeing paranoia and anger, 24/7, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

I am seeing more and more paranoia and anger from you. Roids?? 

[Utilit99 4,099]

9 minutes ago, joneo said:

I am seeing more and more paranoia and anger from you. Roids?? 

Crap. Newbie is a nutcase. I finally put him on ignore but I still see some of his posts if people quote him. 

He is a lonely sick individual and brings no intelligence to any conversations or to even this country if he really acts like that in life rather than his pretend life on this site.

 

[Voltaire 5,281]

4 hours ago, joneo said:

I am seeing more and more paranoia and anger from you. Roids?? 

TDS doesn't need roids, it just needs Twitter and the media.

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

TDS doesn't need roids, it just needs Twitter and the media.

Truth. But don't forget needing  a propensity to hate others when you don't get your way.

[joneo 556]

9 hours ago, porkbutt said:

how do they find these people?

The one is on the Minneapolis City Council!  I don't know who the black woman is. 

[joneo 556]

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

7 minutes ago, joneo said:

 

I hope that woman gets her home broken into and no one answers her calls for help. She'll die screaming she in on their side.

People don't know the emptiness that is so many criminal's souls.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

17 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I hope that woman gets her home broken into and no one answers her calls for help. She'll die screaming she in on their side.

People don't know the emptiness that is so many criminal's souls.

People have gone completely focking nuts.

By the way, ass "comes from a place of privilege" to the list of phrases that automatically earn one a ###### punt. 

[Voltaire 5,281]

In the unlikely even that she's telling the truth about black people being unable to call the police for protection in Minneapolis, the proper response would be to fix the system to make it so blacks do feel comfortable calling the police rather than taking away police protection from everyone in the entire community.

LOL at leftists.

[tubby_mcgee 700]

If the police departments were yanked, there would be massive bloodshed in the form of dead thugs everywhere. The right wing would become the new police, and they would just mow the thugs out existence.  It would start with a couple thugs getting taken out by the right.  Then the thugs would "fight back" and come after the "whites", then the right would fight back harder, and ... it would get very ugly very fast (for the left/gangs/thugs).

Imagine it like this:

The NFL decides they aren't going to have a referee.  Just tell the teams "behave out there" and play the game.  Now, let your imagination play the game through. Where does it end up?

 

If the left decided to go "full force retard" ... meh.... rocks, sticks, a handful of glocks. 

If the right decided to go "full force retard" .... who's gonna stop them? LOL. 
 

[RLLD 4,200]

If memory serves, didnt Camden NJ dissolve their police dept some years ago? And I think they built it back from scratch with an entirely new approach and set of staff and I think it worked there...not sure...

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

It seems like a really poor reaction to an issue to take a service that is required, but has some issues to be resolved (serious issues depending on where you are), to just eliminate the funding for that service completely so it goes away. Under what circumstance does that make sense?

[RLLD 4,200]

Just now, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

It seems like a really poor reaction to an issue to take a service that is required, but has some issues to be resolved (serious issues depending on where you are), to just eliminate the funding for that service completely so it goes away. Under what circumstance does that make sense?

If the intent is to tear it down to build something new, there could be some rationale for it....

To eliminate all of the bad practices that lead to negative outcomes, bad communities relationships and perceptions, etc.....a complete refresh might be a path.....just sayin....

[Voltaire 5,281]

I live in China for economic/practical reasons but deep down I have always known the country has major issues for a large number of reasons having to do mostly with personal liberties. You know what I'm talking about, you all are pretty clear eyed on China. I get a daily reminder of how stupid they are because every time I log into the internet, I need a VPN to access 2/3 of anything. Right now, they're being total sh*ts in Hong Kong as they have been for as long as I can remember in Xinjiang and Tibet. Mostly what I do, the money and lifestyle is good if I don't rock the boat, I I keep my head down, I just live my life, and interact with folks back home online. One thing that has bugged me is I want my kids learning liberty and freedom and democracy and a love of the history, culture, beliefs, and traditions of the US, not whatever bullsh*t they are getting taught in Chinese schools. I've always had to suck that up but I figure with so many Chinese friends that recognize how much BS the communist Party is and can see through their cr@p, maybe it's not hard to deprogram the nonsense.

Now,  I don't even believe they teach that civics stuff in US schools anymore, replaced with PC bullsh*t. What I see is that the US is going down the tubes. With candy-ass schools, anti-white racism and guilt shaming running rampant, LBGTQ bullsh*t everywhere, defunding the police and now the glorification of criminal activity, for the first time ever, I'm starting to think maybe I'm actually better off living over here and raising my kids here. This observation is a knife in my gut. We are losing our civilization out from under out feet.

I was/would be willing to fight and die for the principals the country is founded on and the country that I grew up in. I'd expect the same of my son were the conditions right. I honor the memories of generations past that made the country great. If this off the rails SJW bullsh*t takes hold,  it's a cultural disaster. President Reagan warned us that America is always one generation away from losing it's freedoms and liberties. Now, I loved Reagan but when he said that, I'd thought there was no chance it could happen, that he was being melodramatic. It's REAL and it's here. These SJWs are focking cancer. This is the critical time for the nation. America will be a toilet not worth a drop of the loyalty or devotion I felt towards it growing up. I don't recognize the place.

Between academia, the media, big tech, Hollywood, and the Democratic Party, they are a dumpster fire of disgusting ideas, persecution, and repression. The SJWs are in ascendence. They got that candyass mayor of Minneapolis to bend, they got the NYTimes editorial staff to bend, they got the University of Missouri president to bend the knee a few years back, and even the entire croooked insider Democratic leadership in Congress. It's crucial Trump wins this election and this left wing McCartyism moment passes and fades.

 

 

[RLLD 4,200]

 

[Strike 5,422]

You can't make this sh*t up.  LA City Council President filed a motion to cut $150 million from the LAPD budget, while at the same time having her own private 24/7 security at her home being provided by the LAPD:

https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/news/2020/06/08/lapd-members-slam-city-council-over-private-security-details-amid-budget-cut

She cancels the security detail once a  reporter asks her about it. 

[Meglamaniac 451]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

If memory serves, didnt Camden NJ dissolve their police dept some years ago? And I think they built it back from scratch with an entirely new approach and set of staff and I think it worked there...not sure...

You are right

 

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/finance/news/camden-nj-where-defunding-the-police-worked-didnt-really-defund-the-police-105251107.html

 

[RLLD 4,200]

27 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

You are right

 

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/finance/news/camden-nj-where-defunding-the-police-worked-didnt-really-defund-the-police-105251107.html

 

So then there is a proof of concept that could work, potentially. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

So then there is a proof of concept that could work, potentially. 

Small city ringed with cameras. But at this point a new way is worth the try. There was another, more successful way it was done, on the grandest scale there is. But that’s not acceptable anymore. 

[Strike 5,422]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

So then there is a proof of concept that could work, potentially. 

Not really.  I haven't read that article but my understanding of the Camden thing was really about union busting.  They needed more cops but their police department was unionized.  It was cheaper to get rid of it and then contract with the state or something who wasn't unionized.  Then the people they contracted with assigned dedicated resources to Camden, and were able to use the extra money to double the police force size in Camden.  But then I heard they ended up unionizing anyways so not sure how it all ended up. 

But the real point is, they didn't get rid of cops.  They got rid of their police department, and then contracted with another one.  If ALL police are bad, how does that address the problem? 

[Meglamaniac 451]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Not really.  I haven't read that article but my understanding of the Camden thing was really about union busting.  They needed more cops but their police department was unionized.  It was cheaper to get rid of it and then contract with the state or something who wasn't unionized.  Then the people they contracted with assigned dedicated resources to Camden, and were able to use the extra money to double the police force size in Camden.  But then I heard they ended up unionizing anyways so not sure how it all ended up. 

This is correct moved away from City Police that was unionized at a cost on average of 182,000 per cop per year to the county force that was not unionized at a cost of 93,000er cop per year

[RLLD 4,200]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Not really.  I haven't read that article but my understanding of the Camden thing was really about union busting.  They needed more cops but their police department was unionized.  It was cheaper to get rid of it and then contract with the state or something who wasn't unionized.  Then the people they contracted with assigned dedicated resources to Camden, and were able to use the extra money to double the police force size in Camden.  But then I heard they ended up unionizing anyways so not sure how it all ended up. 

But the real point is, they didn't get rid of cops.  They got rid of their police department, and then contracted with another one.  If ALL police are bad, how does that address the problem? 

OK, gotcha.

I think there are elements of the leftists who do want to eliminate police, but I see more and more they want to defund and pretend to fund things like activities for kids in the form of "kids with fun activities do not become adults who commit crimes"

Not sure I see the path where kids who have stuff to do dont become criminals,  I think that is spurious.....but I do like the kids having access to activities. I like even more of the government stopped encouraging single parent homes.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

I had baseball that lasted from April through June for an activity. I was on my own the rest of the time for “activities” That mainly consisted of a basketball and a wiffleball set.  Some time in the woods and at the lake. Mainly pick up sports games. Not enough anymore I guess. This will probably end up being about feeding those kids and babysitting. Just like school in the city. 

[vuduchile 1,945]

9 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

 

People don't know the emptiness that is so many criminal's souls.

This is a key point.  There's a helluva lot of vicious criminals in this country, and we all depend on the cops to keep them at bay.  

[Mike Honcho 5,251]

Definitively doesn't have the impact of 'Fock tha Police'.  

[vuduchile 1,945]

3 hours ago, Voltaire said:

I live in China for economic/practical reasons but deep down I have always known the country has major issues for a large number of reasons having to do mostly with personal liberties. You know what I'm talking about, you all are pretty clear eyed on China. I get a daily reminder of how stupid they are because every time I log into the internet, I need a VPN to access 2/3 of anything. Right now, they're being total sh*ts in Hong Kong as they have been for as long as I can remember in Xinjiang and Tibet. Mostly what I do, the money and lifestyle is good if I don't rock the boat, I I keep my head down, I just live my life, and interact with folks back home online. One thing that has bugged me is I want my kids learning liberty and freedom and democracy and a love of the history, culture, beliefs, and traditions of the US, not whatever bullsh*t they are getting taught in Chinese schools. I've always had to suck that up but I figure with so many Chinese friends that recognize how much BS the communist Party is and can see through their cr@p, maybe it's not hard to deprogram the nonsense.

Now,  I don't even believe they teach that civics stuff in US schools anymore, replaced with PC bullsh*t. What I see is that the US is going down the tubes. With candy-ass schools, anti-white racism and guilt shaming running rampant, LBGTQ bullsh*t everywhere, defunding the police and now the glorification of criminal activity, for the first time ever, I'm starting to think maybe I'm actually better off living over here and raising my kids here. This observation is a knife in my gut. We are losing our civilization out from under out feet.

I was/would be willing to fight and die for the principals the country is founded on and the country that I grew up in. I'd expect the same of my son were the conditions right. I honor the memories of generations past that made the country great. If this off the rails SJW bullsh*t takes hold,  it's a cultural disaster. President Reagan warned us that America is always one generation away from losing it's freedoms and liberties. Now, I loved Reagan but when he said that, I'd thought there was no chance it could happen, that he was being melodramatic. It's REAL and it's here. These SJWs are focking cancer. This is the critical time for the nation. America will be a toilet not worth a drop of the loyalty or devotion I felt towards it growing up. I don't recognize the place.

Between academia, the media, big tech, Hollywood, and the Democratic Party, they are a dumpster fire of disgusting ideas, persecution, and repression. The SJWs are in ascendence. They got that candyass mayor of Minneapolis to bend, they got the NYTimes editorial staff to bend, they got the University of Missouri president to bend the knee a few years back, and even the entire croooked insider Democratic leadership in Congress. It's crucial Trump wins this election and this left wing McCartyism moment passes and fades.

 

 

It's nearly a no-win situation.  If Trump keeps the White House, the loonies and their media will just ratchet up the crazy for another 4 years, making it impossible for anything to get done.  If Biden wins, we're monumentally screwed.