Democrat Tulsi Gabbard Introduces Bill That Would Ban Biological Males From Women’s Sports

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42 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

You aren't the cause of the problem, MIke. You aren't advocating for transgenders in women's sports in this thread. In others, you don't advocate for kneeling during the national anthem, you don't hate cops, you don't loot stores, you don't hate white people, you don't stuff the ballot box with fake votes. The rope around Thomas Jefferson's statue wasn't attached to your pickup truck. Twitter censorship isn't your idea. You are a reasonable person and a country of 100% supermike80s would be a fine place to live peopled by good productive, people. 

So you're smart, well informed and engaged. You're also reasonable which seems to me that when the right and left butt heads, it seems to me it'd be a default right position you ought to take. But that's not the case as I come to realize with your posts. You stand there and pay attention but without actually taking a side. Stuff makes perfect sense and you don't or won't see it that way. Or you do see it but won't help or do anything about it. 

It's not that you're actively harming anything, you'll agree, you'll criticize, but it's all passive. There's the impression that you sympathize with us but you don't have our backs, won't help, and we have to deal with the problem ourselves and understand that the cavalry isn't coming. You hate President Trump, so you're OK with all this other sh*t.

I really like what you wrote here. I find there are a lot of people just like you are describing. They "go along to get along" so long as it's not too much of an inconvenience to them. 

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing as they must if they believe they can do nothing. There is nothing worse because the council of despair is declaration of irresponsibility; it is Pilate washing his hands." Burke

[jerryskids 7,215]

35 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

This sh!t here is just...wow.  Read the thread.

 

Wow is right.   

[supermike80 2,156]

10 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Your answers are always maddening and enlightening at the same time. We seem like we should be political allies but we're not. I do affirm my previous statement of mutual respect that I know and appreciate that you have extended to me as well. So I know it's nothing personal.

I know President Trump rubs you the wrong way and so you hold your nose on a bunch of things you find less intolerable. Although I was never a Democrat, I had been an independent voter leaning that way until he came along. And so when people like me entered the Republican Party, people like you headed for the exits. For me it took a while to get there too, it wasn't even until year two that I really warmed to him. Year one, it looked like we had a stupider and more obnoxious version of Jeb! and at the time, I'd as soon have had Hillary than Jeb!

As for this issue an this thread, despite my explicitly stating that my position isn't just for my daughter but for all girls, you only focus on the fact that I have an athletic daughter as the reason for my disagreement with this policy. In fact, whether it's a game I play in my free time or if it's a political discussion, I seldom advocate for policies that are in my best interest, but instead always for the greater good and best interests of all. You just can't see that because you have a different approach. Maybe you think it must be because of my daughter because that's how it would be for you. Perhaps you think that if I had a transgender child, I would see things differently. It's not and I wouldn't. Whatever I would be doing with a hypothetical tranny non-son, making excuses for him to compete in sports against real girls would not be one of them.

On whatever level, I see through the prism on what's best for the community or the country or the planet. Being overseas in China, actually Joe Biden would have made a far better choice for me personally than President Trump. They hate him over here. I put the best interests of the country ahead of my own in supporting President Trump.

You aren't the cause of the problem, MIke. You aren't advocating for transgenders in women's sports in this thread. In others, you don't advocate for kneeling during the national anthem, you don't hate cops, you don't loot stores, you don't hate white people, you don't stuff the ballot box with fake votes. The rope around Thomas Jefferson's statue wasn't attached to your pickup truck. Twitter censorship isn't your idea. You are a reasonable person and a country of 100% supermike80s would be a fine place to live peopled by good productive, people. 

So you're smart, well informed and engaged. You're also reasonable which seems to me that when the right and left butt heads, it seems to me it'd be a default right position you ought to take. But that's not the case as I come to realize with your posts. You stand there and pay attention but without actually taking a side. Stuff makes perfect sense and you don't or won't see it that way. Or you do see it but won't help or do anything about it. 

It's not that you're actively harming anything, you'll agree, you'll criticize, but it's all passive. There's the impression that you sympathize with us but you don't have our backs, won't help, and we have to deal with the problem ourselves and understand that the cavalry isn't coming. You hate President Trump, so you're OK with all this other sh*t.

This position of "transgenders participating in women's sports is bad and wrong but we should let them" is just so typical. "I don't like Matt Stafford kneeling on Thanksgiving, but that's his prerogative, let him" is more of the same. In Wayne County, they ran out of ballots to count, then chased the Republican observers out of the room, put up cardboard on the windows, vans arrive at the back door of renamed Cobo Hall with wagons full of suitcases and two hours later 135K Biden votes materialize... who cares?

I was a Republican in High School during the Reagan years but too young to vote and then soured on Daddy bush such that, until Trump came along, I'd not voted Republican at the national level except for Spencer Abraham's senate runs. I did vote GOP more often than not for state offices but never for President. If you can't make common cause with the deplorables, this cr@p is on your head.

Hey Voltaire, while I appreciate the very long deep dive into my soul, something I'm pretty sure you didn't want ME to do, on an internet bulletin board no less, my position stays the same.  The left loves trannys and that means to me they gotta take the good with the bad, including former males competing on the female teams.  Tough sheet.

And my point was I can see how someone with a daughter in college athletics might take a different position.  I respect that.  I will however say that IF that person takes that approach, they better be against transexuality as a whole.

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So, I think what Mike is saying is that if you’re going to be pro transsexual (getting treatments before puberty, restroom use, whatever) then you have to accepting of ALL that comes with it. 
As a female endurance athlete (not professional but recreational) if my political views were that of promoting these behaviors then I also have to accept that bio men would be competing in my sports against me. 
I don’t get to say, “Oh sure, trans women can use the same bathroom as me and they can do all of the things that I can do, because they are women. Oh! Except sports. They can’t play as a woman.” 
they don’t get to pick and choose. 

 

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6 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

So, I think what Mike is saying is that if you’re going to be pro transsexual (getting treatments before puberty, restroom use, whatever) then you have to accepting of ALL that comes with it. 
As a female endurance athlete (not professional but recreational) if my political views were that of promoting these behaviors then I also have to accept that bio men would be competing in my sports against me. 
I don’t get to say, “Oh sure, trans women can use the same bathroom as me and they can do all of the things that I can do, because they are women. Oh! Except sports. They can’t play as a woman.” 
they don’t get to pick and choose. 

 

Here is the "problem".   Liberals/Leftists/Democrats have malleable morals and logic. We see it here time and again from people who seem to tilt in that direction.

They mold the situation to their beliefs instead of holding to a simple set of values and beliefs. But its not quite that simple either, they want to FORCE you to think the way THEY want.

That is the bigger problem.

[TheNewGirl 1,639]

20 hours ago, DonS said:

Nailed it

Edit: Reminds me of a conversation I had with my wife during Kavanaugh and the height of #believallwomen hysteria.  She of course thought these women were "brave".  I asked her if all of it made her worried about someone one day making unsubstantiated claims against our son and destroying his life.  Yeah, she didn't have an answer to that one. 

This is the top reason the kavanaugh stuff bothered me. I have an 18 year old son. I also have a close friend that when her son and his GF broke up, the GF went to the school counselor with texts and pictures that she claimed he forced out of her, abused her, etc. and they went after him...later it was all because she was hurt. 
 

the kavanugh hearings made life much difficult for EVERY man out there. I couldn’t imagine some woman coming forward 30 years from now and destroying my sons life. 
 

 

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13 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

So, I think what Mike is saying is that if you’re going to be pro transsexual (getting treatments before puberty, restroom use, whatever) then you have to accepting of ALL that comes with it. 
As a female endurance athlete (not professional but recreational) if my political views were that of promoting these behaviors then I also have to accept that bio men would be competing in my sports against me. 
I don’t get to say, “Oh sure, trans women can use the same bathroom as me and they can do all of the things that I can do, because they are women. Oh! Except sports. They can’t play as a woman.” 
they don’t get to pick and choose. 

 

Thats EXACTLY My point.

I got serious issues with some mom out there advocating her kid changing into a female but then when that tranny wants to compete against girls that same liberal whack job Mom wants to say  "thats not fair!"

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53 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

So, I think what Mike is saying is that if you’re going to be pro transsexual (getting treatments before puberty, restroom use, whatever) then you have to accepting of ALL that comes with it. 
As a female endurance athlete (not professional but recreational) if my political views were that of promoting these behaviors then I also have to accept that bio men would be competing in my sports against me. 
I don’t get to say, “Oh sure, trans women can use the same bathroom as me and they can do all of the things that I can do, because they are women. Oh! Except sports. They can’t play as a woman.” 
they don’t get to pick and choose. 

 

I get his point, but it's a stance that creates a future problem.  One of the things I always say is that Democrats don't try to fix a problem, they try to change the results... or take the results in a different direction.  This is just doing more of that.  Sure, it make take 10, 20, or even 30 years, but over time, biological men will start to take over women's athletics.  What then?  I hope I'm around long enough to see how the Democrats blame Republican's and white men, when that happens.

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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/11/transgender-athletes-sports-medicine-study-research

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5 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I get his point, but it's a stance that creates a future problem.  One of the things I always say is that Democrats don't try to fix a problem, they try to change the results... or take the results in a different direction.  This is just doing more of that.  Sure, it make take 10, 20, or even 30 years, but over time, biological men will start to take over women's athletics.  What then?  I hope I'm around long enough to see how the Democrats blame Republican's and white men, when that happens.

It totally creates a problem...but why worry about that problem now? We can just move the goal post later on...

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On 12/13/2020 at 11:35 AM, DonS said:

I'm sure one comment would be:

"Done already?" 

 

Thank you.  And just a reminder about what we're dealing with, here:

 

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5 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I get his point, but it's a stance that creates a future problem.  One of the things I always say is that Democrats don't try to fix a problem, they try to change the results... or take the results in a different direction.  This is just doing more of that.  Sure, it make take 10, 20, or even 30 years, but over time, biological men will start to take over women's athletics.  What then?  I hope I'm around long enough to see how the Democrats blame Republican's and white men, when that happens.

I think my point is I hope this would make the lunatics pause about being so excited about gender changes---when they consider the negatives with the positives

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Just now, supermike80 said:

I think my point is I hope this would make the lunatics pause about being so excited about gender changes---when they consider the negatives with the positives

Ha!  That's overly optimistic.

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Ha!  That's overly optimistic.

Yeah well I'm a dreamer

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5 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Thats EXACTLY My point.

I got serious issues with some mom out there advocating her kid changing into a female but then when that tranny wants to compete against girls that same liberal whack job Mom wants to say  "thats not fair!"

I don’t understand this.  You can support the transitioning of kids (I don’t btw) while opposing the participation of those kids in sports.

I’ve used the analogy before, but my daughter with Type 1 diabetes has a lot of legal protections, but she has restrictions:  she cannot become a commercial pilot or driver, or join the military, for instance.  It is for her safety and the safety of others, which would also apply to many sports.  Bottom line is:  I don’t think it is hypocritical to put limitations on trans girls.

Which if you think about it is a wonderful position to take, as that abstracts the two topics and helps to avoid you being labeled as a trans hater by the culture police.   

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3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don’t understand this.  You can support the transitioning of kids (I don’t btw) while opposing the participation of those kids in sports.

I’ve used the analogy before, but my daughter with Type 1 diabetes has a lot of legal protections, but she has restrictions:  she cannot become a commercial pilot or driver, or join the military, for instance.  It is for her safety and the safety of others, which would also apply to many sports.  Bottom line is:  I don’t think it is hypocritical to put limitations on trans girls.

Which if you think about it is a wonderful position to take, as that abstracts the two topics and helps to avoid you being labeled as a trans hater by the culture police.   

NO!! I DO NOT support the transitioning of kids.

I literally said earlier I think transgenderism is a mental disorder.

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5 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I literally said earlier I think transgenderism is a mental disorder. WTF

It is. We are allowing a mental disorder to manifest, regardless of the harm it might cause.

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

It is. We are allowing a mental disorder to manifest, regardless of the harm it might cause.

Agreed.   So some liberal Mom gets to turn her boy into a girl, for what damn reason I don't know...Then doesn't accept that her "girl" is really a girl because "she" cant take part in girls sports.  It's utter lunacy

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3 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Agreed.   So some liberal Mom gets to turn her boy into a girl, for what damn reason I don't know...Then doesn't accept that her "girl" is really a girl because "she" cant take part in girls sports.  It's utter lunacy

The long term consequences could be dramatic for these poor kids.

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People shouldn’t be allowed to take hormones or otherwise change their gender until they’re 18 or legally old enough to make independent medical decisions. 

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12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don’t understand this.  You can support the transitioning of kids (I don’t btw) while opposing the participation of those kids in sports.

I’ve used the analogy before, but my daughter with Type 1 diabetes has a lot of legal protections, but she has restrictions:  she cannot become a commercial pilot or driver, or join the military, for instance.  It is for her safety and the safety of others, which would also apply to many sports.  Bottom line is:  I don’t think it is hypocritical to put limitations on trans girls.

Which if you think about it is a wonderful position to take, as that abstracts the two topics and helps to avoid you being labeled as a trans hater by the culture police.   

I disagree with your last statement. 

Telling a transgender woman that she is a woman, but cannot play in woman's sports makes you a trans hater; they should be treated as equally as bio women - at least that's what the argument is. If you're going to place limitations on them based on their sex, it's discrimination. 

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2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I disagree with your last statement. 

Telling a transgender woman that she is a woman, but cannot play in woman's sports makes you a trans hater; they should be treated as equally as bio women - at least that's what the argument is. If you're going to place limitations on them based on their sex, it's discrimination. 

Problem is, their sex, is not the same sex as the women they are competing against. Be a transgender, compete against other transgenders. 

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1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

Problem is, their sex, is not the same sex as the women they are competing against. Be a transgender, compete against other transgenders. 

I 100% agree with you. They are biologically different, even when men take hormones - their testosterone is still high. 

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3 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I 100% agree with you. They are biologically different, even when men take hormones - their testosterone is still high. 

Yes. A guy can never become a biological woman. Ever.If they want to make a new olympic category for them, feel free. They did it for the special olympics. Do the same with other sports.

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31 minutes ago, MDC said:

People shouldn’t be allowed to take hormones or otherwise change their gender until they’re 18 or legally old enough to make independent medical decisions. 

I would bump it to 21, but I agree...

[Reality 3,140]

Posted about this a few years ago when my daughter was running track in high school. She was very talented and received an athletic scholarship at a very expensive out of state school, has since graduated and is now working on her Masters, after taking a full-time job in her field. 

I specifically remember folks saying I was overreacting because she had to run against a boy who was transitioning to a girl. It's only high school yadda yadda. She also had to run against a girl who was transitioning to a boy, using testosterone etc. obvious advantages. If this stuff is allowed to continue it will destroy female athletics. Also, the opportunities actual females will have in furthering their education like my daughter did. My daughter would have attended an in-state school if the scholarship wouldn't have been available. She probably would have been fine but, who knows. I know most people aren't athletes but, if you care about actual women and their opportunities at all, this stuff needs to be stopped now.

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58 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Yes. A guy can never become a biological woman. Ever.If they want to make a new olympic category for them, feel free. They did it for the special olympics. Do the same with other sports.

As far as I'm concerned, you don't need a special category for them in the Special Olympics because they already qualify with other mentally challenged individuals.

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32 minutes ago, Reality said:

Posted about this a few years ago when my daughter was running track in high school. She was very talented and received an athletic scholarship at a very expensive out of state school, has since graduated and is now working on her Masters, after taking a full-time job in her field. 

I specifically remember folks saying I was overreacting because she had to run against a boy who was transitioning to a girl. It's only high school yadda yadda. She also had to run against a girl who was transitioning to a boy, using testosterone etc. obvious advantages. If this stuff is allowed to continue it will destroy female athletics. Also, the opportunities actual females will have in furthering their education like my daughter did. My daughter would have attended an in-state school if the scholarship wouldn't have been available. She probably would have been fine but, who knows. I know most people aren't athletes but, if you care about actual women and their opportunities at all, this stuff needs to be stopped now.

In a Leftist world where college is free, scholarships won't be needed, so it doesn't matter if your daughter doesn't beat men in a race.  Of course, the Left will have to come up with a reason why natural born women are a dying class in women sports, but I'm sure they'll find a way to blame it on straight, white, male, conservatives.

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1 hour ago, Utilit99 said:

If they want to make a new olympic category for them, feel free. They did it for the special olympics.

Sports categories are funny. The idea is obviously to allow everyone to compete. Who's the best at this sport?  Of course the answer is always a young male athlete.

So then the question gets qualified..... who's the best woman, who's the best in certain age brackets, who's the best amputee, who's the best retard?

 

Why isn't there a sports category for midgets?  I'd watch that. Any sport.

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Just now, GobbleDog said:

Sports categories are funny. The idea is obviously to allow everyone to compete. Who's the best at this sport?  Of course the answer is always a young male athlete.

So then the question gets qualified..... who's the best woman, who's the best in certain age brackets, who's the best amputee, who's the best retard?

 

Why isn't there a sports category for midgets?  I'd watch that. Any sport.

http://internationaldwarfsportsfederation.com/world-dwarf-games/

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2 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Sports categories are funny. The idea is obviously to allow everyone to compete. Who's the best at this sport?  Of course the answer is always a young male athlete.

So then the question gets qualified..... who's the best woman, who's the best in certain age brackets, who's the best amputee, who's the best retard?

 

Why isn't there a sports category for midgets?  I'd watch that. Any sport.

I would too.  My guess is that there aren't enough midgets who'd want to participate.  I'm thinking the "M"BA could be the Midget Basketball Association with 7' rims.  All dunks are worth 5 points.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

http://internationaldwarfsportsfederation.com/world-dwarf-games/

I want this televised.

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10 minutes ago, Strike said:

http://internationaldwarfsportsfederation.com/world-dwarf-games/

God bless you.

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

10 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

God bless you.

 

Not gonna lie, the two in the front at the beginning are cute.

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1 hour ago, GobbleDog said:

Sports categories are funny. The idea is obviously to allow everyone to compete. Who's the best at this sport?  Of course the answer is always a young male athlete.

So then the question gets qualified..... who's the best woman, who's the best in certain age brackets, who's the best amputee, who's the best retard?

 

Why isn't there a sports category for midgets?  I'd watch that. Any sport.

Very soon in the future we won't know because "women's" sports are just going to be short for "Biological Men Who Want to be Women".

And the funny thing about this whole thing?  IT'S WOMEN WHO ARE LEADING THE CHARGE ON THIS! 

[Reality 3,140]

14 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

And the funny thing about this whole thing?  IT'S WOMEN WHO ARE LEADING THE CHARGE ON THIS! 

Yup.

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If you're for trsnsgenderism then you have to be for your new daughter being able to compete against girls.  Otherwise you're just full of crap 

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On 12/12/2020 at 1:00 AM, tubby_mcgee said:

Women cannot compete physically with men.  No way in hell.   So keep men out of women's sports. Duh.  Why is this even something we need a "regulation" over?  

Near olympic level college wrestling coach age 27, female came down to our h.s room to train with some of our h.s kids. She weighs 115 and wrestled a top level h.s boy grade 10, who weighs 108 and she got flung from one end to the other and had two bloody lips and matburn on her face by the time their match was over.    She didn't score a point, never got her face off the mat,  and everyone felt sorry for her when she was done. 

Girls can't compete in physical sports vs boys after about 5th grade. 

Yep. And this is the entire reason women's sports even exist.

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4 hours ago, supermike80 said:

NO!! I DO NOT support the transitioning of kids.

I literally said earlier I think transgenderism is a mental disorder.

When I said “you,” I meant the general you, like “a person,” not supermike80.  

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3 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

God bless you.

 

democrats would abort them