Alec Baldwin killed a woman

[posty 2,675]

https://news.yahoo.com/apos-rust-apos-prop-person-150258221.html

'Rust' prop person shot herself in the foot in accidental discharge prior to Alec Baldwin shooting: report

The production of the Alec Baldwin movie "Rust" reportedly saw multiple accidental discharges take place on the set prior to the one that left cinematographer Halyna Hutchins dead. 

All eyes have been on the set’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, who had only worked as the armorer on one film prior to leading things on "Rust." As she becomes one of the main focuses of the investigation into the death of Hutchins, a new report from the Los Angeles Times indicates that crew members were concerned about her work and that other accidental discharges had happened prior.

The outlet reports that a total of three incidents involving guns being fired accidentally happened prior to the incident involving Baldwin on Oct. 21. One involved Baldwin’s stunt double firing a blank round after he was told the gun he was holding was "cold," an industry term meaning that there were no projectiles in the firearm. This is similar to what assistant director Dave Halls told Baldwin on the day of the shooting, not realizing that a live round was in the gun he handed the actor before declaring it "cold." 

The outlet reports another shooting involved a woman in the props department. She was handling a gun and accidentally shot herself in the foot with a blank round, according to Lane Luper, the A-camera first assistant on "Rust." 

Because the round was blank, it’s unclear if any serious injury resulted from the accidental discharge. 

These reports back up what Gutierrez Reed’s attorneys previously told Fox News in a statement about her involvement with the accidental death and the conditions on the "Rust" set. New Mexico-based lawyers Jason Bowles and Robert Gorence noted that "safety is Hannah’s number one priority." 

They also explained that she has never had an accidental discharge herself, but they admitted that at least two had taken place on the set. 

"The first one on this set was the prop master and the second one was a stunt man after Hannah informed him his gun was hot with blanks," they said.

Also in their statement, her attorneys seemingly shifted the blame away from the set’s armorer to a larger conversation about the resources she was given by producers to ensure the set was safe and up to protocol standards. 

"She fought for training, days to maintain weapons and proper time to prepare for gunfire but ultimately was overruled by production and her department."

However, in another contradiction between Gutierrez Reed’s statement and crew members’ accounts reported by the L.A. Times, there was a safety meeting with the cast and crew on the set of "Rust" the morning of the deadly shooting incident. 

Representatives for Gutierrez Reed did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment.

[TBayXXXVII 2,521]

10 minutes ago, posty said:

https://news.yahoo.com/apos-rust-apos-prop-person-150258221.html

'Rust' prop person shot herself in the foot in accidental discharge prior to Alec Baldwin shooting: report

The production of the Alec Baldwin movie "Rust" reportedly saw multiple accidental discharges take place on the set prior to the one that left cinematographer Halyna Hutchins dead. 

All eyes have been on the set’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, who had only worked as the armorer on one film prior to leading things on "Rust." As she becomes one of the main focuses of the investigation into the death of Hutchins, a new report from the Los Angeles Times indicates that crew members were concerned about her work and that other accidental discharges had happened prior.

The outlet reports that a total of three incidents involving guns being fired accidentally happened prior to the incident involving Baldwin on Oct. 21. One involved Baldwin’s stunt double firing a blank round after he was told the gun he was holding was "cold," an industry term meaning that there were no projectiles in the firearm. This is similar to what assistant director Dave Halls told Baldwin on the day of the shooting, not realizing that a live round was in the gun he handed the actor before declaring it "cold." 

The outlet reports another shooting involved a woman in the props department. She was handling a gun and accidentally shot herself in the foot with a blank round, according to Lane Luper, the A-camera first assistant on "Rust." 

Because the round was blank, it’s unclear if any serious injury resulted from the accidental discharge. 

These reports back up what Gutierrez Reed’s attorneys previously told Fox News in a statement about her involvement with the accidental death and the conditions on the "Rust" set. New Mexico-based lawyers Jason Bowles and Robert Gorence noted that "safety is Hannah’s number one priority." 

They also explained that she has never had an accidental discharge herself, but they admitted that at least two had taken place on the set. 

"The first one on this set was the prop master and the second one was a stunt man after Hannah informed him his gun was hot with blanks," they said.

Also in their statement, her attorneys seemingly shifted the blame away from the set’s armorer to a larger conversation about the resources she was given by producers to ensure the set was safe and up to protocol standards. 

"She fought for training, days to maintain weapons and proper time to prepare for gunfire but ultimately was overruled by production and her department."

However, in another contradiction between Gutierrez Reed’s statement and crew members’ accounts reported by the L.A. Times, there was a safety meeting with the cast and crew on the set of "Rust" the morning of the deadly shooting incident. 

Representatives for Gutierrez Reed did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment.

The more inept they make this girl, the worse it looks for people who kept her on the job.  Baldwin?

[vuduchile 1,945]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The more inept they make this girl, the worse it looks for people who kept her on the job.  Baldwin?

Yeah, I think they really shot themselves in the foot with this strategy

[listen2me 23 1,847]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The more inept they make this girl, the worse it looks for people who kept her on the job.  Baldwin?

This is what I have said.  At some point someone is responsible tor basically ignoring the unsafe conditions.   Is Baldwin in charge? I don't know.  Thr question just is....who is? Someone has to be in charge of addressing and correcting the issues.

[TBayXXXVII 2,521]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

This is what I have said.  At some point someone is responsible tor basically ignoring the unsafe conditions.   Is Baldwin in charge? I don't know.  Thr question just is....who is? Someone has to be in charge of addressing and correcting the issues.

Yup, but all in the name of diversity!!

[Fireballer 2,641]

25 minutes ago, posty said:

https://news.yahoo.com/apos-rust-apos-prop-person-150258221.html

'Rust' prop person shot herself in the foot in accidental negligent discharge prior to Alec Baldwin shooting: report

The production of the Alec Baldwin movie "Rust" reportedly saw multiple accidental negligent discharges take place on the set prior to the one that left cinematographer Halyna Hutchins dead. 

All eyes have been on the set’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, who had only worked as the armorer on one film prior to leading things on "Rust." As she becomes one of the main focuses of the investigation into the death of Hutchins, a new report from the Los Angeles Times indicates that crew members were concerned about her work and that other accidental negligent discharges had happened prior.

The outlet reports that a total of three incidents involving guns being fired accidentally negligently happened prior to the incident involving Baldwin on Oct. 21. One involved Baldwin’s stunt double firing a blank round after he was told the gun he was holding was "cold," an industry term meaning that there were no projectiles in the firearm. This is similar to what assistant director Dave Halls told Baldwin on the day of the shooting, not realizing that a live round was in the gun he handed the actor before declaring it "cold." 

The outlet reports another shooting involved a woman in the props department. She was handling a gun and accidentally negligently shot herself in the foot with a blank round, according to Lane Luper, the A-camera first assistant on "Rust." 

Because the round was blank, it’s unclear if any serious injury resulted from the accidental negligent discharge. 

These reports back up what Gutierrez Reed’s attorneys previously told Fox News in a statement about her involvement with the accidental death and the conditions on the "Rust" set. New Mexico-based lawyers Jason Bowles and Robert Gorence noted that "safety is Hannah’s number one priority." 

They also explained that she has never had an accidental negligent discharge herself, but they admitted that at least two had taken place on the set. 

"The first one on this set was the prop master and the second one was a stunt man after Hannah informed him his gun was hot with blanks," they said.

Also in their statement, her attorneys seemingly shifted the blame away from the set’s armorer to a larger conversation about the resources she was given by producers to ensure the set was safe and up to protocol standards. 

"She fought for training, days to maintain weapons and proper time to prepare for gunfire but ultimately was overruled by production and her department."

However, in another contradiction between Gutierrez Reed’s statement and crew members’ accounts reported by the L.A. Times, there was a safety meeting with the cast and crew on the set of "Rust" the morning of the deadly shooting incident. 

Representatives for Gutierrez Reed did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment.

Fixored. There are no accidental discharges.

[joneo 556]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The more inept they make this girl, the worse it looks for people who kept her on the job.  Baldwin?

It also shows even more criminal evidence of Baldwin's negligence. The civil culpability is a given. 

 

 

[joneo 556]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

This is what I have said.  At some point someone is responsible tor basically ignoring the unsafe conditions.   Is Baldwin in charge? I don't know.  Thr question just is....who is? Someone has to be in charge of addressing and correcting the issues.

Criminally, Baldwin should be the person charged with manslaughter.  The prop person MAYBE with some kind of negligence charge. Everyone will be sued civilly. 

[Mike Honcho 5,251]

The plot thickens...

'Rust' armorer thought she loaded the gun with dummy rounds, lawyer says

 

The "Rust" armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, loaded the gun with what she thought were dummy rounds before Alec Baldwin used it on set, fatally shooting the movie's cinematographer, lawyers for the armorer said in an interview with NBC that aired Wednesday.

"There was a box of dummy rounds and the box is labeled dummy. Hannah did take from that box which she by all accounts should have been able to rely on, that contains only dummy rounds," said Gutierrez Reed's lawyer Jason Bowles. "She loaded rounds from that box into the handgun only to later find out -- and she had no idea -- she inspected the rounds, that there was a live round. Now we don't know, however, whether that live round came from that box. We're assuming it did. We're assuming somebody put the live round in that box, which if you think about that, the person who put the live round in the box of dummy rounds had to have the purpose of sabotaging this set. There's no other reason you would do that."

Bowles said, "I think... you can't rule anybody out at this point. because we know a couple of facts: We know there was a live round in a box of dummy rounds that shouldn't have been there, at least one live round. We had people who had left the set, who had walked out because they were disgruntled. We have a timeframe between 11 and one approximately that day in which the firearms at times were unattended. So there was opportunity to tamper with this scene."

Another lawyer for Gutierrez Reed, Robert Gorence, said the prop truck "was completely unattended at all times," leaving "access and opportunity" to access the ammunition.

"The tray was outside the church for over two hours unattended after she had prepped that for what was going to be an afternoon filming session outside of the church," Gorence told NBC.

Her lawyers said that Gutierrez Reed was in the church at the time of the shooting because the gathering was just supposed to be technical preparation, which would not require her presence.

Gutierrez Reed was the armorer as well as key props assistant on the film. She handed the weapon discharged by Baldwin to assistant director David Halls, according to her attorneys.

Bowles said the armorer spun the chamber of the gun for Halls.

"She did show him each and every round in that chamber, which there was six. There were six dummy rounds, she believed, to be in that handgun," he said. "She spun it and showed it on to Mr. Halls and at that time she gave custody of it."

Bowles contends that dummy rounds look like live rounds.

 

[DonS 3,292]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

The plot thickens...

'Rust' armorer thought she loaded the gun with dummy rounds, lawyer says

 

The "Rust" armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, loaded the gun with what she thought were dummy rounds before Alec Baldwin used it on set, fatally shooting the movie's cinematographer, lawyers for the armorer said in an interview with NBC that aired Wednesday.

"There was a box of dummy rounds and the box is labeled dummy. Hannah did take from that box which she by all accounts should have been able to rely on, that contains only dummy rounds," said Gutierrez Reed's lawyer Jason Bowles. "She loaded rounds from that box into the handgun only to later find out -- and she had no idea -- she inspected the rounds, that there was a live round. Now we don't know, however, whether that live round came from that box. We're assuming it did. We're assuming somebody put the live round in that box, which if you think about that, the person who put the live round in the box of dummy rounds had to have the purpose of sabotaging this set. There's no other reason you would do that."

Bowles said, "I think... you can't rule anybody out at this point. because we know a couple of facts: We know there was a live round in a box of dummy rounds that shouldn't have been there, at least one live round. We had people who had left the set, who had walked out because they were disgruntled. We have a timeframe between 11 and one approximately that day in which the firearms at times were unattended. So there was opportunity to tamper with this scene."

Another lawyer for Gutierrez Reed, Robert Gorence, said the prop truck "was completely unattended at all times," leaving "access and opportunity" to access the ammunition.

 

 

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

The plot thickens...

'Rust' armorer thought she loaded the gun with dummy rounds, lawyer says

 

The "Rust" armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, loaded the gun with what she thought were dummy rounds before Alec Baldwin used it on set, fatally shooting the movie's cinematographer, lawyers for the armorer said in an interview with NBC that aired Wednesday.

"There was a box of dummy rounds and the box is labeled dummy. Hannah did take from that box which she by all accounts should have been able to rely on, that contains only dummy rounds," said Gutierrez Reed's lawyer Jason Bowles. "She loaded rounds from that box into the handgun only to later find out -- and she had no idea -- she inspected the rounds, that there was a live round. Now we don't know, however, whether that live round came from that box. We're assuming it did. We're assuming somebody put the live round in that box, which if you think about that, the person who put the live round in the box of dummy rounds had to have the purpose of sabotaging this set. There's no other reason you would do that."

Bowles said, "I think... you can't rule anybody out at this point. because we know a couple of facts: We know there was a live round in a box of dummy rounds that shouldn't have been there, at least one live round. We had people who had left the set, who had walked out because they were disgruntled. We have a timeframe between 11 and one approximately that day in which the firearms at times were unattended. So there was opportunity to tamper with this scene."

Another lawyer for Gutierrez Reed, Robert Gorence, said the prop truck "was completely unattended at all times," leaving "access and opportunity" to access the ammunition.

"The tray was outside the church for over two hours unattended after she had prepped that for what was going to be an afternoon filming session outside of the church," Gorence told NBC.

Her lawyers said that Gutierrez Reed was in the church at the time of the shooting because the gathering was just supposed to be technical preparation, which would not require her presence.

Gutierrez Reed was the armorer as well as key props assistant on the film. She handed the weapon discharged by Baldwin to assistant director David Halls, according to her attorneys.

Bowles said the armorer spun the chamber of the gun for Halls.

"She did show him each and every round in that chamber, which there was six. There were six dummy rounds, she believed, to be in that handgun," he said. "She spun it and showed it on to Mr. Halls and at that time she gave custody of it."

Bowles contends that dummy rounds look like live rounds.

 

Who pulled the trigger again that caused the woman to die?

Baldwin should be prosecuted, found guilty, and jailed immediately. 

[jerryskids 6,719]

On 10/27/2021 at 6:56 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t know about Hart to Hart. But Stephanie Powers was sexy as hell. 

I was 12 when that show came out.  She made my pants move before I even knew why.   

[TimmySmith 2,782]

15 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I was 12 when that show came out.  She made my pants move before I even knew why.   

Without looking, Robert Wagner, alive or dead?

[Mike Honcho 5,251]

11 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Without looking, Robert Wagner, alive or dead?

Alive--didn't look.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,261]

40 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I was 12 when that show came out.  She made my pants move before I even knew why.   

She flew under the radar with Charlie’s Angels, Suzanne Sommers and Daisy Duke  and others in that era,  but she had a sexiness about her. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,261]

26 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Without looking, Robert Wagner, alive or dead?

Alive. And Natalie Wood was out of his league. 

[posty 2,675]

34 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Without looking, Robert Wagner, alive or dead?

I believe he is still alive...

[Hardcore troubadour 15,261]

16 minutes ago, posty said:

I believe he is still alive...

If he was dead you would have told us. Freak 

[frank 2,294]

4 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

There was a box of dummy rounds and the box is labeled dummy. 

Of course the box is labeled, and don’t call me dummy.

 

[Cloaca du jour 2,148]

Why is there no outrage???  Oh...he made fun of trump..he must get a pass.

[Mike Honcho 5,251]

2 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Who pulled the trigger again that caused the woman to die?

Baldwin should be prosecuted, found guilty, and jailed immediately. 

You are going to be very very disappointed.and very very wrong, but what else is new?

[Utilit99 4,099]

9 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

You are going to be very very disappointed.and very very wrong, but what else is new?

[Big Guy 1,412]

2 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Who pulled the trigger again that caused the woman to die?

Baldwin should be prosecuted, found guilty, and jailed immediately. 

this

[Hardcore troubadour 15,261]

22 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

You are going to be very very disappointed.and very very wrong, but what else is new?

And sadly, you will be happy for some reason. 

[Mike Honcho 5,251]

13 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And sadly, you will be happy for some reason. 

Happy that a man wasn't railroaded...sure, confused why you think be sad with that outcome.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,261]

3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Happy that a man wasn't railroaded...sure, confused why you think be sad with that outcome.

Thats not what you care about. Plenty of people get railroaded. Plenty of victims get no justice. You care about this because it’s your teammate. 

[TimHauck 2,724]

On 11/2/2021 at 11:59 AM, listen2me 23 said:

This is what I have said.  At some point someone is responsible tor basically ignoring the unsafe conditions.   Is Baldwin in charge? I don't know.  Thr question just is....who is? Someone has to be in charge of addressing and correcting the issues.

The director?

[Mike Honcho 5,251]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Thats not what you care about. Plenty of people get railroaded. Plenty of victims get no justice. You care about this because it’s your teammate. 

You've read this thread and think I'm the one who is letting bias getting in the way of objectivity?   All righty then.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,261]

42 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

You've read this thread and think I'm the one who is letting bias getting in the way of objectivity?   All righty then.

Just because you’re not the only doesn’t mean you’re not one. Just a different side. Stop acting like you’re above it. You’re not. 

[Mike Honcho 5,251]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Just because you’re not the only doesn’t mean you’re not one. Just a different side. Stop acting like you’re above it. You’re not. 

So, if/when I'm proven right, it will be because I was biased and not because I objectively looked at the facts.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,261]

9 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

So, if/when I'm proven right, it will be because I was biased and not because I objectively looked at the facts.   

Yup.  It’s the only reason you care. Me too. 

[joneo 556]

20 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

You are going to be very very disappointed.and very very wrong, but what else is new?

Can you tell me why he isn't going to be charged with  manslaughter?

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, joneo said:

Can you tell me why he isn't going to be charged with  manslaughter?

Because liberal judges and DA's usually forgive liberals for being stupid as they can fully relate to being stupid and liberal.

[TBayXXXVII 2,521]

1 hour ago, joneo said:

Can you tell me why he isn't going to be charged with  manslaughter?

I believe his reasoning is that Baldwin isn't responsible because there were people who were paid to tell Baldwin that the gun wasn't loaded with real bullets.  Even though Baldwin never checked himself.

[Mike Honcho 5,251]

6 hours ago, joneo said:

Can you tell me why he isn't going to be charged with  manslaughter?

The only charge that I see that you could possibly think of charging Baldwin with under New Mexico law is "Involuntary Manslaughter"

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30-2-3. Manslaughter.

Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice.

A. Voluntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion.

Whoever commits voluntary manslaughter is guilty of a third degree felony resulting in the death of a human being.

B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.

 

Actors on sets are pretending that they are doing dangerous things all the time.  They are playing with fake grenades, C4, knives and guns and are dependent on the experts who perform the safety checks that the equipment they are using is safe and not deadly. AD Halls says that the armorer Gutierrrez Reed showed him the gun, spun the barrel and he thought he saw 3 rounds in it(he didn't fully inspect it). Reed said they were 'dummy' rounds and she pulled them from a box of dummy rounds. On a movie set, dummy rounds are rounds that look nearly identical to a bullet when viewed by the camera, but contain no gunpowder.  They are usually filled with BB's, and marked with an indent in the  case to show that they are dummies.  It appears Hall did not physically remove the bullets to check them as is his job and responsibility and that Gutierrez-Reed just grabbed them from a box labeled dummies and didn't inspect them. There are a lot of steps that go into making sure a gun is safe and that's why productions hire experts rather than relying on an actor to be in charge of the safety. Performers certainly aren't experts at differentiating between dummy and live rounds.  

Halls then hands the gun to Baldwin and called out 'cold gun', indicating that the gun has been checked.  As far as Baldwin knows, he's been given something no more dangerous than a rock . Baldwin doesn't think he's been given a gun with blanks and certainly not a gun with live rounds. Baldwin, the actor,  appears to be following ALL the safety protocols that he has been asked to follow.

To prove involuntary manslaughter (from legalmatch.com ) you  need to show three things; someone died as a result of the an action by the defendant;  the act was inherently dangerous or reckless; and third the defendant should have known the act threatened the lives of others.

So the question is did Baldwin act recklessly or should have known that pulling the trigger during rehearsal could have threatened the lives of others?  He didn't just grab a random gun from the prop cart and start pointing it at people and pulling the trigger. What he did was use a gun for rehearsing that he was told was inspected by 2 people and only contained dummy rounds.  To conclude that he acted recklessly or without due caution you have to believe that it's Baldwin's responsibility the then check the gun again and be able to distinguish live rounds from dummy rounds. In effect, taking out and inspecting each bullet himself. I just don't think any DA's going to come the conclusion that doing that was Baldwins responsibility.

Let me give you a for instance...Saving Private Ryan, the beach scene.  Is it reasonable to think that every actor, in the name of safety, is opening every prop weapon, inspecting them, inspecting each bullet, reloading them and then declaring them safe for use. Is it even reasonable to believe that all of those extras would even know how to do any of that, or know what was a dummy round vs live, or whether it was a prop gun(one specifically designed only to fire blanks, but without a barrel large enough to let a bullet pass through) vs a real gun?  The answer is no.  There are checks and safeties on a movie set and unless we hear later find out that Baldwin wasn't following them i don't think he's charged with involuntary manslaughter.

The AD and the armorer, who both handed him a gun that contained a live round(dummies are marked and contain bb's that rattle) are the ones I think will be found culpable.  Along with the person who brought live ammunition on to the set(the shooting at cans person).  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,261]

It’s a simple question. Why did he pull the trigger? 

[Cloaca du jour 2,148]

Story in todays paper..

"Alec Baldwin killed a person, he has his own trauma"  

Jesus...they love liberals...let em off the hook

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[Vikings4ever 549]

Alec Baldwin: Fock the police!

Also Alec Baldwin:

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Alec Baldwin has stated that police officers should be employed on all film and TV sets that utilize guns.

Tweeting from his now private account, and also sharing the same message on his personal Instagram page, Baldwin wrote, “Every film/TV set that uses guns, fake or otherwise, should have a police office on set, hired by the production, to specifically monitor weapons safety.”

https://deadline.com/2021/11/alec-baldwin-police-officers-on-set-monitor-weapons-safety-1234869813/

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 hours ago, Vikings4ever said:

Alec Baldwin: Fock the police!

Also Alec Baldwin:

https://deadline.com/2021/11/alec-baldwin-police-officers-on-set-monitor-weapons-safety-1234869813/

Death penalty. Focking murderer.