Kyle Rittenhouse trial

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Is anything other than Murder a riotable verdict?

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8 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Is anything other than Murder a riotable verdict?

I don't see that there needs to be much of anything to inspire the incredibly stupid to act out.

Unfortunately, people are avid consumers of lies about race and this nation, expect stupidity to arise no matter what.

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9 minutes ago, peenie said:

Marissa Alexander was sentenced to TWENTY years in prison for firing a warning shot to scare her abusive husband. She didn’t shoot anyone! 

Is that all she did?  Where did she get the gun from?

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I hope they are protecting the jurists and their families.  It is entirely likely that elements of BLM or the Democrat party have already threatened them

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What will Biden or Magilla Kamallllla have to say?

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1 minute ago, Alias Detective said:

What will Biden or Magilla Kamallllla have to say?

If they are smart they say nothing.  This is not something they should be touching.

I hope that family sues the living sh!t out of them and any media outlet that lied too.

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54 minutes ago, peenie said:

Marissa Alexander was sentenced to TWENTY years in prison for firing a warning shot to scare her abusive husband. She didn’t shoot anyone! I’d argue that case is more about the courts turning a blind eye to domestic violence and how women are treated by the justice system when they try to defend themselves. So, no, I do not believe the courts would be sympathetic to me if I were in Kyle’s shoes.

I am not defending criminals or their behavior so I’m not even discussing what happens in Chicago or wherever chronic gun violence exists. 

And I can find examples of women not being charged for defending themselves. In a stupid gap in self defense situations, warning shots were not allowed in that situation. That has since been changed. She also fired that warning shot near children, after she had gone to her car and got her gun. You have a duty to retreat, she came back. I still would have voted not guilty if I were on the jury. She ended up doing 3 years. All cases are unique, keep that in mind. The media does not want them to be. They want to paint a narrative. You just did it too. You left out the facts, and said sentenced to twenty years which did not happen after she took a plea. She would have been better off shooting him. And I would have bought her some Burger King if I had arrested her. 

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1 hour ago, GobbleDog said:

That's Rittenhouse's entire defense. Ironic.

You spelled prosecution wrong, but even the judge told them no.  

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2 hours ago, jonmx said:

The "hocus pocus, it is out of focus" line will prove to be pretty effective.  Even if somehow there is a conviction, that picture is so grossly manipulated and misinterpreted by the prosecution.  And this is the linchpin of their case in their lame attempt to show provocation.   A detailed study of that frame of the drone video along with syncing it up with other video will show:  

1.  Kyle already has his back to the Ziminskis.  This is conclusively proven by the location of the medic kit on the left side on Kyle's hip.  That is the one object on Kyle which is clearly identifiable in the drone image.  

2.  The "gun" and Kyle's 'hand" are actually part of the car window frame and a street light reflecting off that car window.  This appears to show up in those frames because the drone rapidly raises and moves to the left.  The "hand" is way too bright to be a hand and even if it was, Kyle would be pointing to the sky with his back turned to his alledged target.

3.  There is clear video of this exact moment from accross the street which shows Kyle turning to run with his gun pointed down.  

There is clear and  irrefutable evidence that Binger has mislead the jury on this essential point, which does not show Kyle provoking, but Kyle running.  Unfortunately this 11th-hour Binger fraud and lies are part of evidence in front of the jury.  

Imagine where this case would be if not for all of the conservative media there recording events; the MSM and social media has managed to turn a white guy shooting white people into a white supremacist regardless.  Rittenhouse would be in a gulag along with the 1/6 evil villain terrorist baby seal clubber killers.   

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1 hour ago, peenie said:

Marissa Alexander was sentenced to TWENTY years in prison for firing a warning shot to scare her abusive husband. She didn’t shoot anyone! I’d argue that case is more about the courts turning a blind eye to domestic violence and how women are treated by the justice system when they try to defend themselves. So, no, I do not believe the courts would be sympathetic to me if I were in Kyle’s shoes.

I am not defending criminals or their behavior so I’m not even discussing what happens in Chicago or wherever chronic gun violence exists. 

Rittenhouse is being treated no differently than Alexander.  He is being tried for the maximum amount possible.  Alexander's original lawyers were poor, the prosecution was strong.  The reverse seems to be happening here.  Alexander eventually got off, although it took time.  Lesson here though is no warning shots.  If you fire your weapon, it has to be for real.  

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18 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Imagine where this case would be if not for all of the conservative media there recording events; the MSM and social media has managed to turn a white guy shooting white people into a white supremacist regardless.  Rittenhouse would be in a gulag along with the 1/6 evil villain terrorist baby seal clubber killers.   

 

The whole argument made by Richard's analysis of the video in his closing was based on the work of a couple of youtubers. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

I heard part of the prosecutor's closing arguments. He mentioned that grosskruetz only had a simple Glock pistol while Rittenhouse had an AR-15 so what did Rittenhouse possibly have to fear? 

He also compared Rittenhouse getting attacked to a simple scuffle. Without the gun, you "get a couple scrapes" and that's about it. And it should have been all over then. Like a couple kids in a school yard type thing.

The prosecution pushed so damn hard on Rittenhouse's presence there was what the crime is rather than on the fact that he was attacked and turned to self defense.

That would be like me going into an all black crime ridden area to help someone out and then being prosecuted for defending myself when I get jumped by a group of black guys. This is your liberal America hard at work.  

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19 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Lesson here though is no warning shots.  

Another lesson is people shouldn't have guns. 

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Just now, GobbleDog said:

Another lesson is people shouldn't have guns. 

A gun saved Rittenhouse from getting killed. He was the good guy in this whole thing. His life is worth more than the rioting thugs. 

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1 minute ago, GobbleDog said:

Another lesson is people shouldn't have guns. 

How many do you have again?

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3 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Another lesson is people shouldn't have guns. 

Or skateboards.  

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Just now, TimmySmith said:

Or skateboards.  

Hitler definitely want the Jews to have any.

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There are no good guys here. Multiple people made bad decisions that led to people being dead or things being looted.

Hero worship of a 17 year old kid for shooting people in a spot he never should've been in is weird coming from adults. 

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5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

There are no good guys here. Multiple people made bad decisions that led to people being dead or things being looted.

Hero worship of a 17 year old kid for shooting people in a spot he never should've been in is weird coming from adults. 

I think the hero stuff in tongue in cheek.  People are more happy he took out a child molester.

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54 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Rittenhouse is being treated no differently than Alexander.  He is being tried for the maximum amount possible.  Alexander's original lawyers were poor, the prosecution was strong.  The reverse seems to be happening here.  Alexander eventually got off, although it took time.  Lesson here though is no warning shots.  If you fire your weapon, it has to be for real.  

Lol, I agree with this entire post. 

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3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

There are no good guys here. Multiple people made bad decisions that led to people being dead or things being looted.

Hero worship of a 17 year old kid for shooting people in a spot he never should've been in is weird coming from adults. 

There are better guys though. And Kyle is a lot better than the scum he killed, who were trying to hurt him. He wasn’t trying to hurt them, he was running away. The scum you seem to be so concerned about are “People”. I’m a person too. Don’t lump me in with that filth.  Say what they are. It’s the honest thing to do. 

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2 hours ago, RLLD said:

I hope they are protecting the jurists and their families.  It is entirely likely that elements of BLM or the Democrat party have already threatened them

Whaaa??? Why do you all keep dragging black people into this?? I'm confused? Why is this part of the story? From my understanding, according to you all, he shot a racist. So why would BLM be fighting against Kyle??

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9 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

in a spot he never should've been

This is correct. The problem was the limp-Democrat government officials that told law enforcement to stand down as a mob of unruly ******s burned and looted. When citizens pay taxes for law and order they expect law and order. Had government officials did their job, he would not have been there. If they continue to not do their job in the future, there will be more just like Kyle and rightfully so. 

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3 minutes ago, peenie said:

Whaaa??? Why do you all keep dragging black people into this?? I'm confused? Why is this part of the story? From my understanding, according to you all, he shot a racist. So why would BLM be fighting against Kyle??

Do you ever watch MSNBC? Black people didn’t get dragged into anything. And if they did, it was the media that did it, not conservatives. 

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3 minutes ago, peenie said:

Whaaa??? Why do you all keep dragging black people into this?? I'm confused? Why is this part of the story? From my understanding, according to you all, he shot a racist. So why would BLM be fighting against Kyle??

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9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

There are better guys though. And Kyle is a lot better than the scum he killed, who were trying to hurt him. He wasn’t trying to hurt them, he was running away. The scum you seem to be so concerned about are “People”. I’m a person too. Don’t lump me in with that filth.  Say what they are. It’s the honest thing to do. 

As I said yesterday- people should not have been looting. But Rittenhouse should also not have gone there to defend anything- neither should anyone else other than cops or national guard and by people like Rittenhouse going it helps enflame problems. 

You seem to be arguing for vigilante justice but I would imagine had a liberal gone to DC with a gun on January 6th and shot a bunch of people you would not be celebrating them the same way

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18 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

There are no good guys here. Multiple people made bad decisions that led to people being dead or things being looted.

Hero worship of a 17 year old kid for shooting people in a spot he never should've been in is weird coming from adults. 

 

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

There are better guys though. And Kyle is a lot better than the scum he killed, who were trying to hurt him. He wasn’t trying to hurt them, he was running away. The scum you seem to be so concerned about are “People”. I’m a person too. Don’t lump me in with that filth.  Say what they are. It’s the honest thing to do. 

Agreed.  He is using a false equivalence fallacy.  One party used questionable judgment.  The other went there to loot, riot, and tried to kill Rittenhouse when he was isolated from his group.  Those aren’t exactly the same thing.   

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1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

As I said yesterday- people should not have been looting. But Rittenhouse should also not have gone there to defend anything- neither should anyone else other than cops or national guard and by people like Rittenhouse going it helps enflame problems. 

You seem to be arguing for vigilante justice but I would imagine had a liberal gone to DC with a gun on January 6th and shot a bunch of people you would not be celebrating them the same way

If 1/6 protestors were acting like these thugs, I would 100 percent support his effort to exercise his self-defense rights. 

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3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

As I said yesterday- people should not have been looting. But Rittenhouse should also not have gone there to defend anything- neither should anyone else other than cops or national guard and by people like Rittenhouse going it helps enflame problems. 

You seem to be arguing for vigilante justice but I would imagine had a liberal gone to DC with a gun on January 6th and shot a bunch of people you would not be celebrating them the same way

But your scenario kinda happened; a woman was shot and killed.  Do you hear conservatives calling for that killer’s head?

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16 minutes ago, peenie said:

Whaaa??? Why do you all keep dragging black people into this?? I'm confused? Why is this part of the story? From my understanding, according to you all, he shot a racist. So why would BLM be fighting against Kyle??

 

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15 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hard to believe anyone has a problem with this kid shooting these three scumbags. I for one am glad this Rosenbaum monster is dead. And the other mutt  too. Wish he had gone three for three. Those of you who want to see this kid go away should really do some soul searching. Your need to feel virtuous makes you blind. And a puzzy. Did you watch movies where the bad guys got killed and feel sorry for them? 

It's probably better that it was 2 of 3.  The one who lived proved Rittenhouse acted in self-defense.

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8 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

As I said yesterday- people should not have been looting. But Rittenhouse should also not have gone there to defend anything- neither should anyone else other than cops or national guard and by people like Rittenhouse going it helps enflame problems. 

You seem to be arguing for vigilante justice but I would imagine had a liberal gone to DC with a gun on January 6th and shot a bunch of people you would not be celebrating them the same way

If they were trying to kill him I would have the same view. Difference is the capitol hill Police were there doing their job. There wouldn’t be a need for anyone to go protect the Capitol.  And I doubt the police would be letting people with rifles anywhere near the place, never mind letting them run around. 

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1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

It's probably better that it was 2 of 3.  The one who lived proved Rittenhouse acted in self-defense.

The survivor was arrested for assaulting his grandmother. They must recruit these losers.  

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16 hours ago, nobody said:

I doubt it matters.  This case was won or lost on jury selection.  Just depends on how many libs and Trumpers made it on.

 

14 hours ago, RLLD said:

Perhaps.  Often jury selection is rather important.

I think the prosecution screwed this case up massively.  They over charged, they clearly do not see the evidence for what it shows. I mean, they are clowns....

How about going after all the people on the street that night burning and looting? THAT would be a suitable use of their time.

Not if the judge is convinced the other way.  The judge is the final decision maker in criminal trials.  If the prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt and the jury acquits, the judge can overrule the jury and find the defendant guilty.  Like-wise, if the prosecution did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt and the jury convicted, the judge can overrule the jury and acquit.

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The survivor was arrested for assaulting his grandmother. They must recruit these losers.  

They probably gave him immunity to testify too.

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2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

They probably gave him immunity to testify too.

He already did time for that. Has numerous sealed juvenile cases as well. Along with stalking, DWI, burglary and CPW.  He’s a paramedic! No he’s not. 

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28 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Do you ever watch MSNBC? Black people didn’t get dragged into anything. And if they did, it was the media that did it, not conservatives. 

Black D voters are smarter than white D voters. That was just proven this week.

Eighty-three percent of Democrats approve of Biden’s job performance compared with 63% who approve of the job Harris is doing, according to the poll.

Likewise, 72% of Black voters give Biden high marks versus 51% of the same voting bloc who likes Harris’ job performance.

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26 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

As I said yesterday- people should not have been looting. But....

It's always the same from the liberals. 

But....

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3 hours ago, Brad GLuckman said:

This guy doesn't actually think black people need a day off to process the results of a trial. He just wants people to see how progressive he is.

Or, he's just another racist liberal who thinks black people are weak... like all other white liberals, and is pretending it's not racist.

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10 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

If the prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt and the jury acquits, the judge can overrule the jury and find the defendant guilty.  Like-wise, if the prosecution did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt and the jury convicted, the judge can overrule the jury and acquit.

Wrong. Judges can only overturn guilty verdicts.