Brian Flores suing NFL, NYG for racism - Doomsday

[peenie 2,023]

…. And yes, you don’t have to even ask: the entire trans movement is about White men getting their way no matter how absurd. Women and people of color are riding the coattails of their success. 
 

(Talk about a thread taking an unexpected turn.)

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, peenie said:

If there are people complaining that they are not getting the job they are applying for and that they are qualified for and this has been a complaint for many years now, I think it’s worth discussing. If White men can be women, I think black men can be NFL football coaches.

White men can't be women. White men also get fired from head coaching jobs every year.

And there are black coaches in the league. 

White people get fired from other jobs too.

Should Matt Nagy sue the NFL for racism because he got fired from the Bears? How about their GM? Should he file a lawsuit? 

When are certain black people stop with their black agenda. Stop seeing race for God's sake. 

[edjr 7,046]

if the Patriots won't hire him back he's focked

[GobbleDog 1,019]

8 hours ago, peenie said:

You don’t see any doors remaining closed to them at all?

What do you think the reason is?  Ya think owners are so hatefully racist, they'll refuse to hire a great coach simply because he's black?  Ridiculous. All owners want to do is win a Superbowl and make money. It's not the owners fault there aren't many good black coaching candidates. 

[peenie 2,023]

I don’t know? I don’t know anything about coaching. 
 

I’m just messing with y’all. Its my lunch break.

[peenie 2,023]

2 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

What do you think the reason is?  Ya think owners are so hatefully racist, they'll refuse to hire a great coach simply because he's black?  Ridiculous. All owners want to do is win a Superbowl and make money. It's not the owners fault there aren't many good black coaching candidates. 

I think we don’t have experience coaching. Coaching and playing are distinct and more blacks have to prove themselves off the field in order to coach. Maybe like Deion Sanders is doing…

 

[nobody 2,940]

At this level, merit matters, but your network is also very important, so there probably is a racial element to it.  I wouldn't go so far as to say it's necessarily racism if a certain coach doesn't get hired, but people are oftentimes going to hire people they want to have a beer with unless a particular candidate is just head and shoulders above everyone else.

If you want those C-suite positions, remember one thing... Your network is your net worth.

[GobbleDog 1,019]

11 minutes ago, peenie said:

I think we don’t have experience coaching. Coaching and playing are distinct and more blacks have to prove themselves off the field in order to coach. Maybe like Deion Sanders is doing…

Brian Flores went scorched Earth after getting fired and started accusing teams of racism. Ya think that'll help the next black coach get hired? 

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

21 minutes ago, peenie said:

…. And yes, you don’t have to even ask: the entire trans movement is about White men getting their way no matter how absurd. Women and people of color are riding the coattails of their success. 
 

(Talk about a thread taking an unexpected turn.)

No, it's about white liberals creating ways to become victims.  Those of us on the opposite side of the aisle as you, agree that the trans movement is absurd as well.

[Baker Boy 1,711]

6 hours ago, peenie said:

Opportunity must come before merit can happen.

This reminds me of all the decades of arguments of why there were so few black quarterbacks. 

The rules were changed to accommodate running QBs in the name of protecting the players. Watch some film from the 60s and 70s.

[peenie 2,023]

19 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

The rules were changed to accommodate running QBs in the name of protecting the players. Watch some film from the 60s and 70s.

Explain this a little more. I think you forget I’m not a man. I’m going to try to put the pieces together…

Are you saying the reason there are more black quarterbacks today is because they allow them to run and therefore it has opened the door to blacks who have more running talent combined with throwing vs just a strong throwing to the target talent like the old school quarterbacks? 

[peenie 2,023]

Coaching tree1

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Maybe someone can see where there is a flaw. What I see is that there may be a pressure for black coaches NOT to hire other black coaches and therefore they aren't really growing black coaches. They may not want to be stigmatized as being biased, but then there is little opportunity for blacks being hired if white coaches hire from their group. 

[RLLD 4,283]

54 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Brian Flores went scorched Earth after getting fired and started accusing teams of racism. Ya think that'll help the next black coach get hired? 

 

If I read it correctly, it should not matter.  A black person does not have to earn it, they should get it based on their skin color alone.....

You see there was a time when racist NFL owners did not give them jobs, so current people today who are qualified and have earned it have to pay for that, and give up the spot they earned....

Yeah, that seems like a great move....

[Baker Boy 1,711]

1 hour ago, peenie said:

Explain this a little more. I think you forget I’m not a man. I’m going to try to put the pieces together…

Are you saying the reason there are more black quarterbacks today is because they allow them to run and therefore it has opened the door to blacks who have more running talent combined with throwing vs just a strong throwing to the target talent like the old school quarterbacks? 

It is a very different game today. The new rules allow QBs the freedom to run without serious injury. For one, not that long ago a QB could not slide to give himself up so no one could hit him.

More Black QB fit the new QB role than the old QB role. It has to do with ability and talent which gave them opportunity under the new rules. There a more white running QBs today too.

[DonS 3,330]

5 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

It is a very different game today. The new rules allow QBs the freedom to run without serious injury. For one, not that long ago a QB could not side to give himself up so no one could hit him.

More Black QB fit the new QB role than the old QB role. It has to do with ability and talent which gave them opportunity under the new rules. There a more white running QBs today too. 

Josh Allen  (but he can also throw) 

[TommyGavin 790]

3 minutes ago, DonS said:

Josh Allen  (but he can also throw) 

And he can throw well

[Baker Boy 1,711]

8 minutes ago, DonS said:

Josh Allen  (but he can also throw) 

Correct, and he would not have rushed for 750 yards in the 70s because of the good chance he would get hurt.

[peenie 2,023]

1 hour ago, Baker Boy said:

….not that long ago a QB could not side to give himself up 

What does this mean? 
And while we’re at it what does off sides mean? 
And what does blind sides (from the movie) mean?

 And to think I’ve been here a billionty years and I still know nothing about football. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, peenie said:

What does this mean? 
And while we’re at it what does off sides mean? 
And what does blind sides (from the movie) mean?

 And to think I’ve been here a billionty years and I still know nothing about football. 

He meant 'slide' instead of 'side'. QBs can now slide before they get hit and the play stops and no one can hit him. Before that rule they had to be down by contact. Which was often a big ass linebacker or free safety breaking them in two. 

You don't know anything about football because you don't want to learn about it or you have a very low IQ. You tell us which one it is. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,062]

1 hour ago, peenie said:

Coaching tree1

Coaching tree2

Coaching tree3

Maybe someone can see where there is a flaw. What I see is that there may be a pressure for black coaches NOT to hire other black coaches and therefore they aren't really growing black coaches. They may not want to be stigmatized as being biased, but then there is little opportunity for blacks being hired if white coaches hire from their group. 

Maybe they want to win? Crazy, right? Dikc LeBeau is considered a defensive genius. He waited 27 years to be a HC. It didn’t go well and he never got another HC job. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

Does anyone see only skin color in any topic more than peenie? 

[Baker Boy 1,711]

14 minutes ago, peenie said:

What does this mean? 
And while we’re at it what does off sides mean? 
And what does blind sides (from the movie) mean?

 And to think I’ve been here a billionty years and I still know nothing about football. 

Sorry, that is suppose to be “slides”. When a QB slides feet first he is giving himself up and the play is dead.

[peenie 2,023]

10 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

You don't know anything about football because you don't want to learn about it or you have a very low IQ. You tell us which one it is. 

Both 

[peenie 2,023]

4 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Sorry, that is suppose to be “slides”. When a QB slides feet first he is giving himself up and the play is dead.

Thanks! 

Please answer the other questions. 

[peenie 2,023]

9 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Does anyone see only skin color in any topic more than peenie? 

So, this thread that I didn't create and only started responding in on page 4 and now I'm the racist. Seriously? 

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, peenie said:

So, this thread that I didn't create and only started responding in on page 4 and now I'm the racist. Seriously? 

I said that in any topic, you see skin color as the primary thing to talk about more than anyone I have ever known. Not just this topic.

[Baker Boy 1,711]

6 minutes ago, peenie said:

Thanks! 

Please answer the other questions. 

I never saw the movie but a quarterbacks blindside is the opposite side of his throwing arm. Right handers are facing predominantly  right so the left is their blindside. It’s called the blindside because the quarterback cannot see who is coming from the left when passing.

[peenie 2,023]

Just now, Utilit99 said:

I said in any topic, you see skin color as the primary thing to talk about more than anyone I have ever known. Not just this topic.

But this is what the topic is about. And you all discuss it way more than I do. I never start racial threads. You guys talk about race every single day. I just respond to them once in a while. It's just that you guys just get in a circle jerk with race and I tend to be the only one with a differing point of view. 

[peenie 2,023]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

I never saw the movie but a quarterbacks blindside is the opposite side of his throwing arm. Right handers are facing right so the left is their blindside. It’s called the blindside because the quarterback cannot see what’s coming from the left when passing.

Oh-wah!!!! I knew it meant he was blind but I didn't understand why. How did you not see the movie?! It was good. You know...not great but good. Sandra Bullock did a great job, imo.

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, peenie said:

But this is what the topic is about. And you all discuss it way more than I do. I never start racial threads. You guys talk about race every single day. I just respond to them once in a while. It's just that you guys just get in a circle jerk with race and I tend to be the only one with a differing point of view. 

I talk about our white president focking up this country more than other things. 

[peenie 2,023]

5 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I talk about our white president focking up this country more than other things. 

No, you all talk about Biden being the worst president ever unless of course Kamala becomes president one day. You see, I didn't even comment in that thread and I could've. You are just mad because I am the one pointing out race all the time which means you all are talking about race all the time. It feels good amongst yourselves when you can say things like,  "Look at them complaining again. Didn't we give them welfare?" But when I come in to remind you that no, black people do suffer and it's not all in our heads, you all don't like it. You want me to remain silent or agree with you.

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, peenie said:

No, you all talk about Biden being the worst president ever unless of course Kamala becomes president one day. You see, I didn't even comment in that thread and I could've. You are just mad because I am the one pointing out race all the time which means you all are talking about race all the time. It feels good amongst yourselves when you can say things like,  "Look at them complaining again. Didn't we give them welfare?"

I think kameltoe is a disgrace, just like creepy joe. I don't bring up her race. 

To you, anyone who doesn't like a particular black person is racist. I don't bring up the race when I she and abrams suck at what they do. 

I could give you plenty of black people that I would say are/were great at what they do/did. 

But kameltoe is not one of them. No.

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

2 hours ago, peenie said:

Coaching tree1

Coaching tree2

Coaching tree3

Maybe someone can see where there is a flaw. What I see is that there may be a pressure for black coaches NOT to hire other black coaches and therefore they aren't really growing black coaches. They may not want to be stigmatized as being biased, but then there is little opportunity for blacks being hired if white coaches hire from their group. 

What you're seeing here and what's happening today, are the same thing.  A head coach has a run of success and championships so teams start hiring that coaches assistants, hoping that the coaching philosophy is a good one and they'll bring that with them to their new team.  The thing is, it's still hit or miss.  Mike Holmgren's tree has a decent amount of rings and a lot of wins, but Belichick's does not.

Schottenheimer's tree has some rings too... and includes black coaches.  It's no different today.  Owners see coaches that win and want their assistants.

Each team will spend around $220M this coming season.  There are 32 teams... that's over $7B spent on payroll.  Of which, 70% are black players... lets assume they get 70% of the pot.  That means, owners are willing to pay black people about $5B dollars, but people think that they're too racist to hire a black head coach and give him $10M a year?  Really?

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

13 minutes ago, peenie said:

Oh-wah!!!! I knew it meant he was blind but I didn't understand why. How did you not see the movie?! It was good. You know...not great but good. Sandra Bullock did a great job, imo.

Michael Oher didn't like it... why should anyone like it?

[peenie 2,023]

9 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Michael Oher didn't like it... why should anyone like it?

Well, I liked it. 

[peenie 2,023]

11 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 but people think that they're too racist to hire a black head coach and give him $10M a year?  Really?

I don't believe he would say such a thing unless there was some truth to it. I don't know much about football, clearly. I just think, as you all have noted, that is a career ending statement. 

[TimHauck 3,451]

15 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

Schottenheimer's tree has some rings too... and includes black coaches.  It's no different today.  Owners see coaches that win and want their assistants.

Except Eric Bieniemy I guess?

[BufordT 444]

Media Mogul Byron Allen Says He’ll Bid for NFL’s Denver Broncos

This is what the NFL needs more of if it wants more diverse hiring practices at HC and above.  Black ownership.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,062]

4 minutes ago, BufordT said:

Media Mogul Byron Allen Says He’ll Bid for NFL’s Denver Broncos

This is what the NFL needs more of if it wants more diverse hiring practices at HC and above.  Black ownership.

That dude owns the weather channel. I’m impressed. I hope he gets it and only hires black coaches. 

[BufordT 444]

23 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That dude owns the weather channel. I’m impressed. I hope he gets it and only hires black coaches. 

What if he wants to win?