Boom! Disney getting canceled 🤣😅

[GutterBoy 2,899]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Maybe some of them did. I did. 

The drop in Disney+ subscribers — which was bigger than analysts expected — was entirely driven by a 3.8 million sequential decline at Disney+ Hotstar, the version of the service offered in India and parts of Southeast Asia, to stand at 161.8 million at the end of 2022. Last year, Disney lost streaming rights to Indian Premier League (IPL) cricket matches, which prompted it to lower growth targets for Disney+ Hotstar in India.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

The drop in Disney+ subscribers — which was bigger than analysts expected — was entirely driven by a 3.8 million sequential decline at Disney+ Hotstar, the version of the service offered in India and parts of Southeast Asia, to stand at 161.8 million at the end of 2022. Last year, Disney lost streaming rights to Indian Premier League (IPL) cricket matches, which prompted it to lower growth targets for Disney+ Hotstar in India.

Eh, many people are buying less of their product due to woke. You seem to want to be in denial about this. Always on the one side of these type of issues. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Eh, many people are buying less of their product due to woke. You seem to want to be in denial about this. Always on the one side of these type of issues. 

Not in denial, share data if you want.

You said many people are buying less Disney because woke, how many?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

27 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Not in denial, share data if you want.

You said many people are buying less Disney because woke, how many?

A few hundred million Chinamen to start. Pow! Right in the kisser. Lol. 

[TimHauck 2,931]

5 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Thank you for the Hauckian definition of "bombed," and the royal decree that that wasn't a problem.  BTW I haven't seen it, or any of the Frozens, my kids are adults.  I'm not coming from some personal bias one way or another on the cringiness of the kiss.  I'm merely saying that it happened and there were financial consequences.  I wouldn't think this would be that hard of a concept, given the financial data, but here we are. 

If the movie was actually good, it wouldn’t have that big of a deal that it wasn’t shown in China and wherever else.  But it wasn’t good.

[jerryskids 6,853]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

If the movie was actually good, it wouldn’t have that big of a deal that it wasn’t shown in China and wherever else.  But it wasn’t good.

Just stop.  You are welcome to your opinions but not as anything resembling evidence in a financial discussion that nobody in China would have watched it.

Rotten Tomatoes said it was fine:

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LIGHTYEAR
PG 2022, Kids & family/Comedy, 1h 40m
74%
TOMATOMETER
315 Reviews
84%
AUDIENCE SCORE
5,000+ Verified Ratings
WHAT TO KNOW
Critics Consensus
Lightyear settles for being a rather conventional origin story instead of reaching for the stars, but this gorgeously animated adventure ably accomplishes its mission of straightforward fun. Read critic reviews

Audience Says
Even if it doesn't quite measure up to Toy Story, Lightyear offers an entertaining -- although somewhat complicated -- origin story for the beloved title character. Read audience reviews

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/lightyear

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Just stop.  You are welcome to your opinions but not as anything resembling evidence in a financial discussion that nobody in China would have watched it.

Rotten Tomatoes said it was fine:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/lightyear

Wait, it’s an origin story? The Mouseketeers keep saying it wasn’t a Toy Story movie, that’s why it bombed. Well now that we know that it is indeed a TS movie, and that it was good as far as the critics say, looks like Woke was the culprit.  

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Disney doesn't care, why do you guys?

https://www.vice.com/en/article/akezvk/lightyear-shows-chinas-box-office-has-become-irrelevant-to-hollywood

[Crestwood 2 128]

33 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Disney doesn't care, why do you guys?

https://www.vice.com/en/article/akezvk/lightyear-shows-chinas-box-office-has-become-irrelevant-to-hollywood

The millionaire shareholders are getting richer and richer , so the average Joe should just shut up and go with it. Nice. I honestly can’t believe that you have a wife and family. Doesn’t make sense that someone like you could function in society 

[TimHauck 2,931]

50 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Just stop.  You are welcome to your opinions but not as anything resembling evidence in a financial discussion that nobody in China would have watched it.

Rotten Tomatoes said it was fine:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/lightyear

It was good for kids between the ages of about 8 and 12, but that’s a pretty narrow audience.  Those that enjoy the Toy Story movies but could also understand that this was not actually a Toy Story movie since it was about the “real” Buzz and not a toy. 

Like I said, obviously it would have made more money if it was shown in China.  But not being shown in China doesn’t mean a movie “bombed.”  That was the word I took issue with from your original post.  It did bomb, but not because of woke and not because it wasn’t shown in China.

[dogcows 1,030]

Is Disney out of business yet?

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

9 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Just stop.  You are welcome to your opinions but not as anything resembling evidence in a financial discussion that nobody in China would have watched it.

Rotten Tomatoes said it was fine:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/lightyear

Toy Story 1- 100% on Rotten Tomatoes

Toy Story 2- 100% on Rotten Tomatoes

Toy Story 3- 98% on Rotten Tomatoes

Toy Story 4- 97% on Rotten Tomatoes

Lightyear- 74% on Rotten Tomatoes

"Fine" is a subjective term. In comparison to the other movies it is a disaster on Rotten Tomatoes

9 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Wait, it’s an origin story? The Mouseketeers keep saying it wasn’t a Toy Story movie, that’s why it bombed. Well now that we know that it is indeed a TS movie, and that it was good as far as the critics say, looks like Woke was the culprit.  

Geez this was already explained to you. Again- it borders on sadomasochism to want to keep getting dunked on like this. 

Lightyear is a spinoff of the series and is not in the same fictional universe. It is a movie inside the movie of Toy Story. Buzz Lightyear the toy- as voiced by Tim Allen in Toy Story- is based on a movie character that Andy saw and loved so he got the toy. This is not a new idea either as it was the basis for the Buzz Lightyear TV show back in the early 2000's. This is easily understood by doing the bare minimum of 30 seconds of research even if one has never seen all the stuff 

[League Champion 1,911]

Disney started a second round of layoffs on Monday as the company seeks to save billions in operating costs.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

14 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Disney started a second round of layoffs on Monday as the company seeks to save billions in operating costs.

For someone that hates Disney so much, you sure follow their every move very closely.

[jerryskids 6,853]

4 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Toy Story 1- 100% on Rotten Tomatoes

Toy Story 2- 100% on Rotten Tomatoes

Toy Story 3- 98% on Rotten Tomatoes

Toy Story 4- 97% on Rotten Tomatoes

Lightyear- 74% on Rotten Tomatoes

"Fine" is a subjective term. In comparison to the other movies it is a disaster on Rotten Tomatoes

Dang, I got pwned.  I guess you guys are right:  it doesn't matter that Lightyear was woke, not a single one of 1.4B Chinese people would have watched it anyway.   

[GutterBoy 2,899]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Dang, I got pwned.  I guess you guys are right:  it doesn't matter that Lightyear was woke, not a single one of 1.4B Chinese people would have watched it anyway.   

No Jerry you're right.  If only Lightyear was released in China, then DIsney wouldn't need to lay anyone off and restructure to save $5B.  Everyone can see that.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

21 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Dang, I got pwned.  I guess you guys are right:  it doesn't matter that Lightyear was woke, not a single one of 1.4B Chinese people would have watched it anyway.   

China accounted for less than 3% of the global box office for Toy Story 4 which brought in 1.073 billion worldwide (the actual number for the Chinese box office then was 29,103,284).

The other countries that declined to show the movie (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Indonesia, Kuwait, Malaysia, Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates) accounted for less than 2%. So we are talking a number of 53 million dollars worldwide they may have potentially lost out on and that ignores all the other surrounding concepts about the movie that have been covered ad nauseum since the movie's release. 

Even adding in that 53 million (which is the high end and absolute best case scenario) they still lose somewhere around 55-60 million dollars on the film. So not anything anyone would declare a hit. It would've been the 5th biggest bomb of the year as opposed to the 3rd. I'm sure that would've stopped all narratives. 

 

 

 

[jerryskids 6,853]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

No Jerry you're right.  If only Lightyear was released in China, then DIsney wouldn't need to lay anyone off and restructure to save $5B.  Everyone can see that.

Maybe it's somewhere in the middle.  

You guys are the ones with the all or nothing strawman.  I merely said it was a factor.  Then again, I've said that 43187 times and you keep ignoring it.

BTW, I never heard back on my inability to view that CNBC link with the strong slate of movies on tap.  Any woke ones in there helping to make it "strong"? 

[RLLD 4,256]

Disney to Reach 4,000 Layoffs This Week With Second Round of Cuts, Third Wave to Hit Ahead of Summer

[GutterBoy 2,899]

23 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Maybe it's somewhere in the middle.  

You guys are the ones with the all or nothing strawman.  I merely said it was a factor.  Then again, I've said that 43187 times and you keep ignoring it.

BTW, I never heard back on my inability to view that CNBC link with the strong slate of movies on tap.  Any woke ones in there helping to make it "strong"? 

It's not in the middle, it's rather insignificant.

From CNBC...

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Disney's strong roster of films could result in further gains for its Entertainment segment estimates this year, the analyst said. He highlighted "tentpole titles," including "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3," "The Little Mermaid," and "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny." These releases "have the potential to drive better profitability for the studio," Kraft said. "Furthermore, F2023 is probably the first 'normal' year since the pandemic from a box office perspective with quality films generating large box offices YTD," he continued.

 

[TimHauck 2,931]

1 hour ago, League Champion said:

Disney started a second round of layoffs on Monday as the company seeks to save billions in operating costs.

 

20 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Disney to Reach 4,000 Layoffs This Week With Second Round of Cuts, Third Wave to Hit Ahead of Summer

Just in case you aren’t aware, these are included in the 7,000 that were previously announced

[GutterBoy 2,899]

So many geeks celebrating people losing their jobs.  Odd.

[RLLD 4,256]

14 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So many geeks celebrating people losing their jobs.  Odd.

What is more odd is that this was your take away.....

[jerryskids 6,853]

27 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

It's not in the middle, it's rather insignificant.

From CNBC...

 

If it's insignificant, why do we care if the 2023 slate is strong?  They could all bomb, they don't matter.   

[GutterBoy 2,899]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

If it's insignificant, why do we care if the 2023 slate is strong?  They could all bomb, they don't matter.   

what?  You're not making any sense.

I said the revenue from china for lightyear would likely have been insignificant.  I shared the DB guidance as more of an FYI, but yes they could all bomb.

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[GutterBoy 2,899]

Walt Disney Co. has the opportunity to “meaningfully improve” streaming profits, and that’s one reason Wells Fargo’s Steven Cahall sees its stock as attractive.

He called Disney DIS, -0.13% shares the “best opportunity in media” in a Monday note to clients, writing that the company is “under-earning” in various parts of the business aside from parks. A look at rival Netflix Inc. NFLX, +0.02% offers a glimpse of the potential, Cahall noted, as the company had 15% margins back when it was doing $20 billion in revenue, compared with negative 17% margins for Disney’s direct-to-consumer business currently.

I don't think they are getting cancelled.

[League Champion 1,911]

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

If Disney doesn’t care about China and are standing up to them then they should stop making all their junk there. Bring those jobs home. 

[Mike Honcho 5,301]

On 4/24/2023 at 6:18 AM, Sean Mooney said:

Lightyear is a spinoff of the series and is not in the same fictional universe. It is a movie inside the movie of Toy Story. Buzz Lightyear the toy- as voiced by Tim Allen in Toy Story- is based on a movie character that Andy saw and loved so he got the toy. This is not a new idea either as it was the basis for the Buzz Lightyear TV show back in the early 2000's. This is easily understood by doing the bare minimum of 30 seconds of research even if one has never seen all the stuff 

So it's like virtually meta?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

JK--I saw the movie, don't explain again.

[Strike 5,601]

Wait.  Are there really people here arguing that the Chinese film market is insignificant?   Man, there are some things that just aren't debatable.  But this is the geek club. 

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1081435029/china-hollywood-movies-censorship-erich-schwartzel

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In 2019, American films made over $2.6bn in China with Avengers: Endgame, Spider-Man: Far from Home and Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw making more money there than in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/aug/05/china-hollywood-films-damaging-impact-report

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Wait.  Are there really people here arguing that the Chinese film market is insignificant?   Man, there are some things that just aren't debatable.  But this is the geek club. 

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1081435029/china-hollywood-movies-censorship-erich-schwartzel

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/aug/05/china-hollywood-films-damaging-impact-report

 

Yeah.  Its been assured by the Mousekateers that it’s not a big deal.  Selling less of a product to the biggest market on earth is nothing to be concerned with. 

[TimHauck 2,931]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Wait.  Are there really people here arguing that the Chinese film market is insignificant?   Man, there are some things that just aren't debatable.  But this is the geek club. 

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1081435029/china-hollywood-movies-censorship-erich-schwartzel

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/aug/05/china-hollywood-films-damaging-impact-report

 

I think you'd have to define "insignificant."  My argument was not being in China would be an "insignificant" reason for saying a movie "bombed."

And it wasn't just the Geek Club, Disney's old CEO said it, although it's possible it may have played a part in getting him fired.  

"We're pretty confident that even without China, if it were to be that we continue to have difficulties in getting titles in there, that it doesn't really preclude our success given the relatively lower take rate that we get on the box office in China than we do across rest of the world," he said.

https://www.ign.com/articles/disney-pretty-confident-films-succeed-without-china

 

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I think you'd have to define "insignificant."  My argument was not being in China would be an "insignificant" reason for saying a movie "bombed."

And it wasn't just the Geek Club, Disney's old CEO said it, although it's possible it may have played a part in getting him fired.  

 

 

https://www.ign.com/articles/disney-pretty-confident-films-succeed-without-china

 

It's like you didn't even read the links I posted.  And I should trust people who have a stake in the discussion?  Do you think he might be slightly biased? 

[Strike 5,601]

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In 2020, the Chinese film market officially surpassed North America’s as the world’s biggest box office, all but ensuring that Hollywood studios will continue to do everything possible for access to the country. This also means China will assert itself more aggressively to control Hollywood. The country, which already places a quota on the number of foreign films that can be screened every year, banned them for nearly two months this summer because of celebrations for the 100th anniversary of the Communist Party’s founding.

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/09/how-hollywood-sold-out-to-china/620021/

I apologize for continuing to trot out right wing extremist sources like NPR and The Atlantic but there you go.

[Mike Honcho 5,301]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

It's like you didn't even read the links I posted.  And I should trust people who have a stake in the discussion?  Do you think he might be slightly biased? 

 

On 7/11/2006 at 1:17 AM, Strike said:

 

Wow. Another case that offers no proof that an innocent man was executed, just allegations. Did you read in the article where one of his own attorneys said he thought the dude was guilty and another one implied it? LOL. I asked for proof that an innocent man had been executed. You offer none. thanks for playing.

Wouldn't the attorneys of an executed man, who might have been innocent and completely failed in defending him, be slightly biased?

[seafoam1 3,097]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Wouldn't the attorneys of an executed man, who might have been innocent and completely failed in defending him, be slightly biased?

Coming from an extremely biased liberal dope like yourself... :Yawn:

[Strike 5,601]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Wouldn't the attorneys of an executed man, who might have been innocent and completely failed in defending him, be slightly biased?

Did you actually just bump a post from 17 years ago?  ROFLMAO.   But I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make.  You're going to have to spell it out if you want me to respond.  Oh, and provide a link if you want me to respond to a 17 year old post of mine so I can look at context if needed.  Don't be @TimHauck, who loves to quote people out of context as if it's some gotcha. 

[jerryskids 6,853]

9 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Wouldn't the attorneys of an executed man, who might have been innocent and completely failed in defending him, be slightly biased?

This was posted back when Obama said marriage was between a man and a woman, and Biden didn't want his kids growing up with negroes in a racial jungle.   

[GutterBoy 2,899]

35 minutes ago, Strike said:

Wait.  Are there really people here arguing that the Chinese film market is insignificant?   Man, there are some things that just aren't debatable.  But this is the geek club. 

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1081435029/china-hollywood-movies-censorship-erich-schwartzel

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/aug/05/china-hollywood-films-damaging-impact-report

 

What was said is that any revenue from these two movies being released in China was likely to be insignificant.  This is based on the lackluster performance of the movies in other markets, and the lackluster performance of similar animated movies of recent released in China.  You can't compare Avengers to Lightyear.