10 year old rape victim that couldn't get an abortion in Ohio. FAKE STORY? Maybe?

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

15 minutes ago, -Vyse- said:

Buddy I’m not going to argue because I don’t do that online. I don’t understand why you can’t just say “sorry guys that’s my bad for falling for a fake story” and that would be the end of it. You and I both know it would be the end of it. Instead, you guys seem to thrive on arguing and do nothing but try to argue with others. If you’re looking to argue, then just say that. But I’m not going to be sucked into these petty arguments you guys love to engage in. I don’t have the energy for it 

Of course you're not going to argue, because you can't prove your point. 

And I didn't fall for any story. 

I created a hypothetical situation involving a 10-year-old and asked whether she should be forced to carry the baby to term. I didn't mention the story, nor did I mention Biden.

Yet no one answers my questions, instead pivoting to the kind of BS you subscribe to but won't prove.

1 hour ago, -Vyse- said:

Serious question: why aren’t there any normal democrats on this board like me? The ones that I thought were democrat all seem to just hate anything to do with the right wing and will defend anything that is associated with the left wing no matter how bad. Even pedophilia or, in this case, they fell for this story and are now trying to defend themselves for falling for it. Just accept that you fell for a lie, apologize, and move on. It’s completely messed up what the Supreme Court did but damn guys use facts and data to make our argument. Not act like this 

You say you want to raise a "serious question," don't like the answer and then retreat into your safe spot of saying you don't want to argue about it.

If you're going to be all serious questiony around here, be prepared to argue.

Pro tip.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

Rusty “created”‘a story about a ten year old being raped and not able to get an abortion right around the same day Biden told the same fake story.  Amd it wasn’t in an abortion thread. Sure thing Rusty. Lol. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Rusty “created”‘a story about a ten year old being raped then same day or day after Biden told the same fake story.  Sure thing Rusty. Lol. 

You still won't answer my question, sugar cakes.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

You still won't answer my question, sugar cakes.

What’s your attempt to deflect question? I’ll play. 

[DonS 3,292]

At least Biden didn't go off script and start rambling about how good her hair smells. 

[-Vyse- 65]

12 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Of course you're not going to argue, because you can't prove your point. 

And I didn't fall for any story. 

I created a hypothetical situation involving a 10-year-old and asked whether she should be forced to carry the baby to term. I didn't mention the story, nor did I mention Biden.

Yet no one answers my questions, instead pivoting to the kind of BS you subscribe to but won't prove.

You say you want to raise a "serious question," don't like the answer and then retreat into your safe spot of saying you don't want to argue about it.

If you're going to be all serious questiony around here, be prepared to argue.

Pro tip.

I asked a serious question. You gave a childish answer. I told you I’m not going to argue. What do you do? Proceed to try and start an argument. This is the problem I have with a lot of people that side with the democrats. You all don’t want to have adult conversations when discussing this. Instead, it’s “whoever yells the loudest is the most right”. No facts, no data, no maturity involved. I’m trying to fix the left from the inside but you all are making it very hard when you won’t even listen to someone you supposedly side with 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What’s your attempt to deflect question? I’ll play. 

Let's make her 11 so you'll get off the fake-news story.

An older brother savagely rapes his 11-year-old sister and impregnates her. She is ashamed and doesn't tell anyone, only one day she notices changes in her body. A trip to the doctor reveals she is pregnant. Later on, it is determined that while the baby has a beating heart, it is terribly deformed and likely wouldn't live outside the womb. Meanwhile, there is a high chance the mother will die during childbirth.

Should she have to deliver this baby?

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

4 minutes ago, -Vyse- said:

I asked a serious question. You gave a childish answer. I told you I’m not going to argue. What do you do? Proceed to try and start an argument. This is the problem I have with a lot of people that side with the democrats. You all don’t want to have adult conversations when discussing this. Instead, it’s “whoever yells the loudest is the most right”. No facts, no data, no maturity involved. I’m trying to fix the left from the inside but you all are making it very hard when you won’t even listen to someone you supposedly side with 

No, you got an answer and now want to pick up your marbles and go home.

You claim I'm on the left but can't find any of my positions that support this.

Get your shinebox.

[-Vyse- 65]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

No, you got an answer and now want to pick up your marbles and go home.

You claim I'm on the left but can't find any of my positions that support this.

Get your shinebox.

Sure buddy. If that’s the narrative you wanna go with then that’s fine. I, along with everyone else, see a different story 

[phillybear 366]

It's not complicated. Democrats want the right to club children to death like baby seals on the coast of Alaska up to a full year after the child is born. Hey, if it lowers the price of gas, maybe we should listen. Demons gotta deem. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

2 minutes ago, -Vyse- said:

Sure buddy. If that’s the narrative you wanna go with then that’s fine. I, along with everyone else, see a different story 

You're a better fit for Footballguys, where they fuss over overused or mildly offensive emojis and ban people for calling others a silly goose.

And who is this "everyone else?"

Who'd you vote for in 2020?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

14 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Let's make her 11 so you'll get off the fake-news story.

An older brother savagely rapes his 11-year-old sister and impregnates her. She is ashamed and doesn't tell anyone, only one day she notices changes in her body. A trip to the doctor reveals she is pregnant. Later on, it is determined that while the baby has a beating heart, it is terribly deformed and likely wouldn't live outside the womb. Meanwhile, there is a high chance the mother will die during childbirth.

Should she have to deliver this baby?

No.

[MLCKAA 576]

18 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Let's make her 11 so you'll get off the fake-news story.

An older brother savagely rapes his 11-year-old sister and impregnates her. She is ashamed and doesn't tell anyone, only one day she notices changes in her body. A trip to the doctor reveals she is pregnant. Later on, it is determined that while the baby has a beating heart, it is terribly deformed and likely wouldn't live outside the womb. Meanwhile, there is a high chance the mother will die during childbirth.

Should she have to deliver this baby?

What if he raped her caringly instead of savagely?

Suppose all that happened.  It’d be a shame.  I’m not sure why in your hypothetical she’s both a rape victim and likely to die as well as the baby being horribly deformed.  I’m setting those details aside for the purpose of furthering conversation.  I don’t deny this trifecta is possible, but calling it remote would be a generous description.  Instead, let’s use a far more probable scenario:  rape-related pregnancy.

Isn’t the baby in her womb still alive and deserving of the right to live?  Why does her legal guardian have the right to terminate a life?

Rape-related pregnancy sucks.  No pushback from me there.  But I refuse to have this conversation without insisting on acknowledgment that a human life is inside that womb.  Why does someone have the right to terminate a viable human life?

ETA:  please note I’ve responded in a serious way, hopeful of actual thoughtful discourse on a difficult subject 

[phillybear 366]

23 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Let's make her 11 so you'll get off the fake-news story.

An older brother savagely rapes his 11-year-old sister and impregnates her. She is ashamed and doesn't tell anyone, only one day she notices changes in her body. A trip to the doctor reveals she is pregnant. Later on, it is determined that while the baby has a beating heart, it is terribly deformed and likely wouldn't live outside the womb. Meanwhile, there is a high chance the mother will die during childbirth.

Should she have to deliver this baby?

It's more likely she sprouts wings, flaps her way to Neptune, opens a coffee shop with Paddington Bear, serving less than mediocre coffee, much much much worse than Starbucks. With deep friend kitty litter scones. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

17 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

What if he raped her caringly instead of savagely?

Suppose all that happened.  It’d be a shame.  I’m not sure why in your hypothetical she’s both a rape victim and likely to die as well as the baby being horribly deformed.  I’m setting those details aside for the purpose of furthering conversation.  I don’t deny this trifecta is possible, but calling it remote would be a generous description.  Instead, let’s use a far more probable scenario:  rape-related pregnancy.

Isn’t the baby in her womb still alive and deserving of the right to live?  Why does her legal guardian have the right to terminate a life?

Rape-related pregnancy sucks.  No pushback from me there.  But I refuse to have this conversation without insisting on acknowledgment that a human life is inside that womb.  Why does someone have the right to terminate a viable human life?

ETA:  please note I’ve responded in a serious way, hopeful of actual thoughtful discourse on a difficult subject 

The reason being the worst-case scenario regarding rape, incest and the mother's health, and yet here in Texor she would be expected to carry the baby to term if a heartbeat was detected. That's just focking barbaric to me.

My position on this is that if rape, incest and the mother's health are not in play, I'm pro-choice during the first trimester. But it gets murky for me after that, and if it were MY choice, then the baby would be carried to term. But I defer to the woman's choice. It's her choice.

I support a woman's right to choose, but at the same time abortions outside situations of rape, incest, mother's health and perhaps other situations are morally wrong. Kind of like adultery. Morally wrong but not illegal.

But I can't imagine a rape victim being forced to carry her attacker's child. I believe a woman needs to have a choice there, and she can take care of that with the morning-after pill.

So many great couples out there can't have children and long to have one or three in their lives. I've personally known five kids whose mothers did the right thing and delivered the babies, with an adoptive couple there every step of the way and taking in the child they've always wanted.

Two of those kids are my niece and nephew., and they're precious. I helped the niece catch her first fish. She was only like 2 or 3 years old, yet every time we've met since then, she asks me whether we can go catch a fish.

 

 

 

[MDC 7,484]

1 hour ago, MLCKAA said:

Supposing there was no police report and the doctor declined to report sexual abuse of a minor, I’m left wondering how Joe Biden would know about it.

Same place everybody else did - a doctor from OH said it happened. Joe Biden is a freaking idiot for repeating it without verifying it first. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

15 minutes ago, MDC said:

Same place everybody else did - a doctor from OH said it happened. Joe Biden is a freaking idiot for repeating it without verifying it first. 

Yep.

[Bert 1,128]

34 minutes ago, MDC said:

Joe Biden is a freaking idiot for repeating it without verifying it first. 

When you make up stuff like he does there is no reason to bother verifying actual facts.  Besides Corn Pop and the guy he road the train with for the last 60 years verified the story. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

Biden said he couldn’t afford child care when he was a senator. 

[craftsman 1,045]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Biden said he couldn’t afford child care when he was a senator. 

He also said he drove trucks for a living and that Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist and that the border is closed. 

[MDC 7,484]

22 minutes ago, Bert said:

When you make up stuff like he does there is no reason to bother verifying actual facts.  Besides Corn Pop and the guy he road the train with for the last 60 years verified the story. 

Trumpers have a problem with making stuff up now? 

[Old School 360]

57 minutes ago, MDC said:

 Joe Biden is a freaking idiot.

See, we do agree on some things.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

12 minutes ago, craftsman said:

He also said he drove trucks for a living and that Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist and that the border is closed. 

And he didn’t go to Annapolis because he wanted to play football and they had Staubach even though Staubach had graduated already. 

[Bert 1,128]

10 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trumpers have a problem with making stuff up now? 

I'm not a Trumper.  When a certain geek ranted every time Trump made something up you cheered him on but now y'all don't care about the president making up crap.  Hypocrite. 

[MLCKAA 576]

1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said:

The reason being the worst-case scenario regarding rape, incest and the mother's health, and yet here in Texor she would be expected to carry the baby to term if a heartbeat was detected. That's just focking barbaric to me.

Policy is not made based on worst case scenarios or exceptional circumstances.  Like Michael Dukakis being asked about Willie Horton in the 1988 campaign.  You don’t scrap a prison furlough system because one of the furloughed cons reoffended.  And you don’t decide abortion policy based on the extreme outlying chance that 1) a minor 2) is raped 3) and carries a deformed fetus 4) that endangers her own life.

Still, I ask why does someone have the right to terminate a viable human life?  I thank you for clarifying your position on processing after the first trimester, even if we don’t agree on that.

 I’ll also tell you that I firmly disagree that a woman should have the ultimate choice.  Not only because that child equally belongs to a second parent, but also because that child is a future member of society and, as such, is intrinsically valuable to society.  Therefore, society should establish  the rules on abortion.

As an example, Jonas Salk was an immeasurably valuable American.  When babies are aborted, society loses valuable contributors to our future.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

23 minutes ago, Bert said:

I'm not a Trumper.  When a certain geek ranted every time Trump made something up you cheered him on but now y'all don't care about the president making up crap.  Hypocrite. 

Biden buying into a fake story isn't in the same league as Clownzo creating a crap ton of fake stories to keep himself in office and smear his opponents and critics. Love that you're not a Clownzoer.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,493]

Biden also said he got arrested trying to see Nelson Mandela in prison. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

42 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Policy is not made based on worst case scenarios or exceptional circumstances.  Like Michael Dukakis being asked about Willie Horton in the 1988 campaign.  You don’t scrap a prison furlough system because one of the furloughed cons reoffended.  And you don’t decide abortion policy based on the extreme outlying chance that 1) a minor 2) is raped 3) and carries a deformed fetus 4) that endangers her own life.

Still, I ask why does someone have the right to terminate a viable human life?  I thank you for clarifying your position on processing after the first trimester, even if we don’t agree on that.

 I’ll also tell you that I firmly disagree that a woman should have the ultimate choice.  Not only because that child equally belongs to a second parent, but also because that child is a future member of society and, as such, is intrinsically valuable to society.  Therefore, society should establish  the rules on abortion.

As an example, Jonas Salk was an immeasurably valuable American.  When babies are aborted, society loses valuable contributors to our future.

I need to give this response the thought it deserves, sir.

[MDC 7,484]

1 hour ago, Bert said:

I'm not a Trumper.  When a certain geek ranted every time Trump made something up you cheered him on but now y'all don't care about the president making up crap.  Hypocrite. 

When Trump made stuff up you cheered him on. Now Biden makes stuff up and you cry about it.

See how that works?

[Bert 1,128]

56 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Biden buying into a fake story isn't in the same league as Clownzo creating a crap ton of fake stories to keep himself in office and smear his opponents and critics. Love that you're not a Clownzoer.

No but making things up about oil production, refining investment, the denial that inflation is a problem and then making up who is to blame once he can no longer say it isn't a problem in an attempt to keep himself in office is on par with Trump's actions.  So is denying there is no problem with the boarder immediately after getting elected.  So is stating high energy prices are great so he can pander to his idiot enviro supports.  So is blaming supply chain issues on governors.  But yeah sure making up those fake stories is completely different than Trump. 

[Bert 1,128]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

When Trump made stuff up you cheered him on. Now Biden makes stuff up and you cry about it.

See how that works?

You really are ignorant.  

[nobody 2,690]

4 hours ago, MDC said:

That’s what I keep asking: How did they determine there was no report? There were literally no reports of a child rape that happened in the state around this time frame? Are these records public in OH? 

Again, I won’t be surprised if it’s fake. Just want to know how we KNOW it didn’t happen. That’s quite a whopper for someone to drop on TV if it’s easy to confirm.

The Governor and AG both said there is no record of a 10 year old being raped.  Why do you keep asking this?

[DonS 3,292]

36 minutes ago, nobody said:

The Governor and AG both said there is no record of a 10 year old being raped.  Why do you keep asking this?

THEY MUST BE LYING REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!!!! 

[TimHauck 2,906]

8 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

What if he raped her caringly instead of savagely?

Suppose all that happened.  It’d be a shame.  I’m not sure why in your hypothetical she’s both a rape victim and likely to die as well as the baby being horribly deformed.  I’m setting those details aside for the purpose of furthering conversation.  I don’t deny this trifecta is possible, but calling it remote would be a generous description.  Instead, let’s use a far more probable scenario:  rape-related pregnancy.

Isn’t the baby in her womb still alive and deserving of the right to live?  Why does her legal guardian have the right to terminate a life?

Rape-related pregnancy sucks.  No pushback from me there.  But I refuse to have this conversation without insisting on acknowledgment that a human life is inside that womb.  Why does someone have the right to terminate a viable human life?

ETA:  please note I’ve responded in a serious way, hopeful of actual thoughtful discourse on a difficult subject 

At least you actually answered the hypothetical but I’m sorry this is crazy.

I do agree his scenario was highly unlikely.  But any rape victim should be able to abort.  The child (and duration of pregnancy) will be a constant reminder that they were raped.

I think it was @Masshole saying he thought most people were accepting of abortion up to like 15-20 weeks or so.  But I don’t think that’s the case at the GC.  We’ve got people saying even rape victims shouldn’t be able to have abortions…

[TimHauck 2,906]

9 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Thanks Queen Lhatifa. 

I don’t know what this means

[weepaws 3,202]

1% of abortions that take place is because of rape.  That means 99% of abortions are done because of?  

Most abortions take place because a selfless decision was made, they or she simply doesn’t want the child.  

Makes me wonder, what if a mom or a couple decided they didn’t want their three year old, shouldn’t they have the same rights to kill that child like they can kill an unborn child. 

Her body her choice humbug, when we have a heartbeat we have life, then why is it killed?  

[MLCKAA 576]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

At least you actually answered the hypothetical but I’m sorry this is crazy.

I do agree his scenario was highly unlikely.  But any rape victim should be able to abort.  The child (and duration of pregnancy) will be a constant reminder that they were raped.

I think it was @Masshole saying he thought most people were accepting of abortion up to like 15-20 weeks or so.  But I don’t think that’s the case at the GC.  We’ve got people saying even rape victims shouldn’t be able to have abortions…

Why does someone have the right to terminate a viable human life?  Why doesn’t the baby in her womb deserve to live?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

BUT IT COULD HAPPEN!!!

[TimHauck 2,906]

2 hours ago, weepaws said:

1% of abortions that take place is because of rape.  That means 99% of abortions are done because of?  

Most abortions take place because a selfless decision was made, they or she simply doesn’t want the child.  

Makes me wonder, what if a mom or a couple decided they didn’t want their three year old, shouldn’t they have the same rights to kill that child like they can kill an unborn child. 

Her body her choice humbug, when we have a heartbeat we have life, then why is it killed?  

Heartbeat does not equal life.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Heartbeat does not equal life.

. Says you. Try living without one.