White people "get the hell away from black people"

[BuckSwope 654]

8 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Thats a sad story.  Just about to celebrate a 50th anniversary.   Their 97 year old mother also murdered.

Mass murder with a knife.  Wonder how much MSM will disect this one?

Pun intended? 

[jerryskids 6,594]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

@jerryskids - I thought of you and this conversation this am while i was listening to some old Malcolm Gladwell podcasts this am.  Revisionist History had a great episode in S1 titled Carlos Doesn't Remember that was talking about some of these types of situations, schools, and if our perception of upward mobility is reality.    It had some interesting things to chew on about how few talented kids get identified, a sad stat that by 8th grade something like 80% of the boys were already gang affiliated so we aren't getting to them quick enough, things like that -system.  BUT buried right there in the middle was also a bit about how Carlos' mom wouldn't let him go to a good boarding school because he needed to stay closer to home for her and his sister - choices.    Of course, right after that he and his sister get put in foster care...   

Things like this are going through my mind when I read people just telling others to study, get out of their situation, etc.   The whole "I did it, why can't you" mentality misses for me because of it.   Yes, there are still choices they can and have to make, but that is infinitely harder than anything most of us had to tried to work through for a variety of reasons.   A lot easier of a task when you have decent safe schools, parents in the picture, on and on.   

 

To clarify, when I listed my 3 things -- family, personal responsibility, education -- I did not mean you just have to pick yourself up by the bootstraps.  I realize that there are a lot of factors in play.  But the bootstraps are part of it. 

Perhaps if Carlos' dad were in the picture, Carlos' mom wouldn't have felt the need to hold him back.  Or perhaps other family members, or the wider community, could have helped to pick up the slack so that one of their children could be successful.

It all comes down to the young kids.  Like you said, by 8th grade most of them are lost.  And there is no quick fix, it's a multi-generational project.  But it starts with acknowledging the problem and coming up with a plan.

Unfortunately quick fixes get votes, and long, hard projects don't.

We can recognize that the path is both hard AND necessary; those aren't mutually exclusive.

[dogcows 1,030]

5 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Trope, eh?  I'm speaking about the inner city black culture and you provide an example of a rich, mostly white Chicago suburb that has a handful of black people getting gentrified out of their properties.  The woman you laud for her "porsche and Newports" comment starts the video saying she is waiting for her 40 acres and a mule.  Not a handout?  Then just before your comment, she says that if you give her something, you can't tell her how to use it.  I can't?  The hell I can't.  How about you be grateful you got something and use it for its intended purpose.

The white businessman who said the quiet part out loud was very relevant.  This is what upsets me, similar to the question of genetics:  we just flat out can NOT discuss it, for fear of being a pariah.

They did manage to get in the trope about all white people being racist, in their emails to the coordinator of the program.  Because, you know, we're all racist and send such emails.

That being said, the idea of the program -- small, targeted funds towards property for people who can't keep up with rising property costs -- seems like it is set up for success.  Hopefully people won't use that success as a justification to give, say, $12M per person no strings attached in LA.  What could go wrong?

Regarding your GoFundMe, maybe Joe Biden was right?

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-biden-tweet-minorities-idUSL1N2LU1HQ

In my opinion, you seem to be reading into things that aren’t there. How is including the opinion of a man who volunteered to speak against the program somehow calling all white people racist? They respected his wishes to stay anonymous. Also, they interviewed white people that supported the program too, so I fail to see how that could possibly give the impression that the producer thought all white people were racist. Also, a lot of white people in town approved of it, since it’s a 50% white town, meaning plenty of white people voted for the program. 

You also seem to have missed the 88-year-old guy who personally experienced legalized housing discrimination, getting $25K (which doesn’t even come close to covering the cost of lost property appreciation) giving it to his child for his mortgage instead of keeping it for himself. Another woman expressed a similar sentiment, saying that if she ever got some money to try and make things right, it would go to try and make her grandkids’ lives better. How does this appear to be black people asking for handouts to you? It baffles me.

As for genetic predisposition for violence among people of African descent, nobody is stopping you from discussing it. I find it offensive and wrong-headed, with no basis in science that I’m aware of. Add to that the history of what happened when some went down that path, and perhaps you can see why it’s an unpopular topic, assured to offend many.

As for the “digital divide” among rich and poor in America, it exists, but it’s not a big enough divide to account for black people only making up 1% of the successful GoFundMe campaigns. $650 million a year (stat from GoFundMe’s website) in “handouts” to people with medical bills, almost all going to white people. I could use that data to ask… why are white people are so lazy and asking for handouts? Why didn’t they get better health insurance? Why didn’t they take better care of their health? Why didn’t they save money for a rainy day? Maybe they should pull themselves up by the bootstraps.

[jerryskids 6,594]

11 minutes ago, dogcows said:

In my opinion, you seem to be reading into things that aren’t there. How is including the opinion of a man who volunteered to speak against the program somehow calling all white people racist? They respected his wishes to stay anonymous. Also, they interviewed white people that supported the program too, so I fail to see how that could possibly give the impression that the producer thought all white people were racist. Also, a lot of white people in town approved of it, since it’s a 50% white town, meaning plenty of white people voted for the program. 

You also seem to have missed the 88-year-old guy who personally experienced legalized housing discrimination, getting $25K (which doesn’t even come close to covering the cost of lost property appreciation) giving it to his child for his mortgage instead of keeping it for himself. Another woman expressed a similar sentiment, saying that if she ever got some money to try and make things right, it would go to try and make her grandkids’ lives better. How does this appear to be black people asking for handouts to you? It baffles me.

As for genetic predisposition for violence among people of African descent, nobody is stopping you from discussing it. I find it offensive and wrong-headed, with no basis in science that I’m aware of. Add to that the history of what happened when some went down that path, and perhaps you can see why it’s an unpopular topic, assured to offend many.

As for the “digital divide” among rich and poor in America, it exists, but it’s not a big enough divide to account for black people only making up 1% of the successful GoFundMe campaigns. $650 million a year (stat from GoFundMe’s website) in “handouts” to people with medical bills, almost all going to white people. I could use that data to ask… why are white people are so lazy and asking for handouts? Why didn’t they get better health insurance? Why didn’t they take better care of their health? Why didn’t they save money for a rainy day? Maybe they should pull themselves up by the bootstraps.

I try to have good conversations with you, but you don't seem to actually read what I write.  It's like when you are arguing with someone, and they are trying to make a point but you aren't listening because you are busy formulating your response.

The white racist was in regards to the emails the (black) program coordinator received in opposition to the program, where she listed off several racist/offensive names she was called.  The implication was that these were the type of people who objected to it.

I didn't miss the 88 yr old guy, or the other women.  I said in my first sentence that we (well, I) was talking about inner city black culture, not suburban Evanston.  I never said, nor do I believe, that all blacks are bad, or stupid, or violent.  And I even said that the program, in its context with a focus on the real estate problem, was set up for success.

[dogcows 1,030]

58 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I try to have good conversations with you, but you don't seem to actually read what I write.  It's like when you are arguing with someone, and they are trying to make a point but you aren't listening because you are busy formulating your response.

The white racist was in regards to the emails the (black) program coordinator received in opposition to the program, where she listed off several racist/offensive names she was called.  The implication was that these were the type of people who objected to it.

I didn't miss the 88 yr old guy, or the other women.  I said in my first sentence that we (well, I) was talking about inner city black culture, not suburban Evanston.  I never said, nor do I believe, that all blacks are bad, or stupid, or violent.  And I even said that the program, in its context with a focus on the real estate problem, was set up for success.

I didn’t see those emails as an indictment of all white people. You read too much into that IMO. In fact, after she quoted some of the offensive notes she received, the reporter immediately pointed out that most people did NOT react that way.

[jerryskids 6,594]

2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I didn’t see those emails as an indictment of all white people. You read too much into that IMO. In fact, after she quoted some of the offensive notes she received, the reporter immediately pointed out that most people did NOT react that way.

Fine, we'll agree to disagree.  What about my second point?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,988]

Amazing that liberals care more about black criminals than black victims. 

[dogcows 1,030]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Fine, we'll agree to disagree.  What about my second point?

I believe your second point alludes to a point you’ve made multiple times. “Inner city black culture”

I gave this some thought, and here’s where I think we differ. Unless I’m misinterpreting you, you see this culture as the primary cause for problems such as crime and poverty in those communities. I see it as a response to inhumane conditions, stemming from segregation-era policies and their ongoing legacy, not to mention mass incarceration breaking up families. Now, there may be aspects of this cultural reaction that make things worse instead of better. But I don’t see it as the primary cause.

Here’s an older article that explores both ways of looking at this, and cautions against dismissing cultural factors just because of political correctness.

https://www.vox.com/2015/3/26/8253495/moynihan-report-liberal-backlash

[jerryskids 6,594]

9 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I believe your second point alludes to a point you’ve made multiple times. “Inner city black culture”

I gave this some thought, and here’s where I think we differ. Unless I’m misinterpreting you, you see this culture as the primary cause for problems such as crime and poverty in those communities. I see it as a response to inhumane conditions, stemming from segregation-era policies and their ongoing legacy, not to mention mass incarceration breaking up families. Now, there may be aspects of this cultural reaction that make things worse instead of better. But I don’t see it as the primary cause.

Here’s an older article that explores both ways of looking at this, and cautions against dismissing cultural factors just because of political correctness.

https://www.vox.com/2015/3/26/8253495/moynihan-report-liberal-backlash

Awesome, I think we are close!  You are right about our difference. But I don't particularly care who/what is to "blame" for the problems with the inner city culture.  If we acknowledge it exists, and we agree on the parameters, then it becomes a matter of figuring out how to improve it.   

[peenie 1,906]

I’m from the inner city. 

[BuckSwope 654]

2 hours ago, dogcows said:

I believe your second point alludes to a point you’ve made multiple times. “Inner city black culture”

I gave this some thought, and here’s where I think we differ. Unless I’m misinterpreting you, you see this culture as the primary cause for problems such as crime and poverty in those communities. I see it as a response to inhumane conditions, stemming from segregation-era policies and their ongoing legacy, not to mention mass incarceration breaking up families. Now, there may be aspects of this cultural reaction that make things worse instead of better. But I don’t see it as the primary cause.

Here’s an older article that explores both ways of looking at this, and cautions against dismissing cultural factors just because of political correctness.

https://www.vox.com/2015/3/26/8253495/moynihan-report-liberal-backlash

Interesting way to put it and I lean this way as well.   We can talk about things like gang culture, rap music, etc.. that might add to the issues but we could also talk about how that is also a way of out of that lifestyle and a way to express how that life is for some who lived it.   Also in there is a culture of mistrust of police, the culture of taking care of issue yourself, things like that -  while also a reaction to conditions, I would say add to the violence and stats of that community more.  

[League Champion 1,896]

2 hours ago, dogcows said:

I see it as a response to inhumane conditions, stemming from segregation-era policies and their ongoing legacy, not to mention mass incarceration breaking up families. Now, there may be aspects of this cultural reaction that make things worse instead of better. But I don’t see it as the primary cause.

And the Democrats are helping how? Empty promises have created even more poverty, violence and lawlessness in the inner cities, FACTS! 

[Wade Garrett 155]

Reminder cultist.  We educated, high income normal americans would way way way rather a non-white family move in next door then some Trump flag flying, inbred, no education, broken down cars in the yard, cultist racist.

100% of the time boyos.  Trump flags and broken down cars = instant loss of home value.

 

[Alias Detective 1,390]

12 hours ago, dogcows said:

I see it as a response to inhumane conditions, stemming from segregation-era policies and their ongoing legacy, not to mention mass incarceration breaking up families.

If you, the white man, keep providing this excuse, they, the black man, will forever use it.

[Alias Detective 1,390]

2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Reminder cultist.  We educated, high income normal americans would way way way rather a non-white family move in next door then some Trump flag flying, inbred, no education, broken down cars in the yard, cultist racist.

100% of the time boyos.  Trump flags and broken down cars = instant loss of home value.

 

You can’t even troll correctly.  Bwahahahahahah

[RLLD 4,147]

Isn't it interesting that racists(Democrats) used to work so diligently to create separation.  You have your areas and we have ours.   And this was seen as "segregation" and it was seen as bad.

Now you have this movement whereby the racists(Democrats) are attempting to recreate that scenario under the guise of creating a "safe space" etc. So their goals are the same, though the tactics have evolved.

[peenie 1,906]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtNbd8jpbMI/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[RLLD 4,147]

10 minutes ago, peenie said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtNbd8jpbMI/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

History is rife with examples like this, across all nations.  For those cultures who stop crying about the past, and engage the now, success is evident and emphatic.

I guess crying about the past has its purposes, and if that works for folks then more power to them. While they are off whining.....,my folks are going to be striving and achieving, so through this "someone in the past hurt my relatives" dogma.....you are only helping my people win more 

[avoiding injuries 1,521]

17 minutes ago, peenie said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtNbd8jpbMI/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

What did they have the A/C set to in there?

Civil War to WW2? I can believe that. 

[peenie 1,906]

I have no idea what this thread is about but when you know African immigrant people and admire them, just know that we black Americans were like them but mixing with y’all and slavery changed us. See how sweet and gentle we’d be if we hadn’t gone through the trauma of slavery and its aftermath:

 

[RogerDodger 797]

11 minutes ago, peenie said:

I have no idea what this thread is about but when you know African immigrant people and admire them, just know that we black Americans were like them but mixing with y’all and slavery changed us. See how sweet and gentle we’d be if we hadn’t gone through the trauma of slavery and its aftermath:

 

You're claiming that three generations of slavery changed black people's genetic makeup that much?

 

 

 

 

[Sagging Scrot 44]

Don't mix

[seafoam1 2,817]

On 6/28/2023 at 11:04 AM, peenie said:

I have no idea what this thread is about but when you know African immigrant people and admire them, just know that we black Americans were like them but mixing with y’all and slavery changed us. See how sweet and gentle we’d be if we hadn’t gone through the trauma of slavery and its aftermath:

 

African nations are so peaceful. 

[Dizkneelande 1,088]

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

10 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

 

Those are 2 students you focking idiot, and it made the news, and the big kid was charged.

https://www.live5news.com/2022/02/11/graphic-beaufort-county-student-facing-charge-assault-caught-camera-police-say/

Sorry to piss on your "black people bad" parade, sh1t eater.

[Dizkneelande 1,088]

27 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Those are 2 students you focking idiot, and it made the news, and the big kid was charged.

https://www.live5news.com/2022/02/11/graphic-beaufort-county-student-facing-charge-assault-caught-camera-police-say/

Sorry to piss on your "black people bad" parade, sh1t eater.

I’ll eat the sh!t knowing you were triggered by it former Trump supporter.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,988]

Poverty 

[Engorgeous George 2,164]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Those are 2 students you focking idiot, and it made the news, and the big kid was charged.

https://www.live5news.com/2022/02/11/graphic-beaufort-county-student-facing-charge-assault-caught-camera-police-say/

Sorry to piss on your "black people bad" parade, sh1t eater.

I cannot countenance behemoths picking on kids half their size.  I suppose, potentially, before this clip the tiny girl said something so provoking the behemoth could not restrain herself, but given the submissive behavior demonstrated by the small girl I doubt it.

 

I hope the sentencing in the juvenile case includes introduction to vegetables and greens and eschewing supersizing of fast food meals.  

[Baker Boy 1,691]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Those are 2 students you focking idiot, and it made the news, and the big kid was charged.

https://www.live5news.com/2022/02/11/graphic-beaufort-county-student-facing-charge-assault-caught-camera-police-say/

Sorry to piss on your "black people bad" parade, sh1t eater.

It is very racist to consider this person an example of a good Black person.

[seafoam1 2,817]

2 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

 

Need to start handing out the death penalty for shlt like this. 

[Engorgeous George 2,164]

53 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Need to start handing out the death penalty for shlt like this. 

I am going to take the position that the death penalty would be a bit extreme for this behavior.  I think a few hours in stocks in front of the school with her head in a hood to obscure her vision and a tub of rotting carp set out for others to go up and pummel her with might handle it. She would not be allowed to know who beotch slapped her with the fetid fish so she could not get revenge.  Death is just so darn final.

[TBayXXXVII 2,491]

On 6/28/2023 at 11:04 AM, peenie said:

I have no idea what this thread is about but when you know African immigrant people and admire them, just know that we black Americans were like them but mixing with y’all and slavery changed us. See how sweet and gentle we’d be if we hadn’t gone through the trauma of slavery and its aftermath:

 

Maybe other black people shouldn't have sold those black folks in the beginning, eh?

[nobody 2,580]

On 6/28/2023 at 8:04 AM, peenie said:

I have no idea what this thread is about but when you know African immigrant people and admire them, just know that we black Americans were like them but mixing with y’all and slavery changed us. See how sweet and gentle we’d be if we hadn’t gone through the trauma of slavery and its aftermath:

 

What are you talking about?  Black Africans captured and sold the slaves that came to America.  How sweet and gentle.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,988]

Yeah so, a black man killed four white people in Hampton Georgia over the weekend. Random, no relationship.  Doesn’t seem to be getting a lot of attention.  

[avoiding injuries 1,521]

51 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah so, a black man killed four white people in Hampton Georgia over the weekend. Random, no relationship.  Doesn’t seem to be getting a lot of attention.  

I wonder what the white people did to provoke this?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,988]

Just now, avoiding injuries said:

I wonder what the white people did to provoke this?

Slavery? Jim Crow? Failing schools? 

[Cdub100 3,850]

19 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

I wonder what the white people did to provoke this?

It's our fault for giving him better opportunity than any where else in the world including the entire continent that is his home, Africa.

[jerryskids 6,594]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah so, a black man killed four white people in Hampton Georgia over the weekend. Random, no relationship.  Doesn’t seem to be getting a lot of attention.  

If the Leftist MSM reported on it, you might think that some black people can be violent.  We can't have that.   

[dogcows 1,030]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

If the Leftist MSM reported on it, you might think that some black people can be violent.  We can't have that.   

That story got a lot of attention in the “mainstream” press.

Do those who mainly watch right-wing media just never check out “MSM” sources at all? I swear, every single time I see on this forum “You won’t see the MSM covering THIS!” I look at the front page of The NY Times website and there it is.

[dogcows 1,030]

Here’s another example of why we need to teach a more accurate history of America.