How good will the Packers be?

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Fairly easy schedule.   They are last in odds to win their division.   I am interested to hear what people think.  Seems like early on in the offseason people said they'd find out the hard way what it is like not to have a top QB.  Now it seems like much of the media has fallen in love with Love to maybe overhyping him.  Not sure exactly where fans/non media fall.

Packers this year and beyond with Love.  What say you geeks?

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

I hope they're trash.  Love leads them to 5 wins and he plays just good enough that the Packers don't want to move on from him.

[Gepetto 1,289]

Jordan Love will be really good. I have no idea what their record will be. Isn't there defense kind of bad?

[jonmx 2,424]

I think the Packers still have a solid defense and some weapons on offense.  Love is a huge wildcard.  The Bears are too much hype thinking Fields is a league MVP caliber QB.  The Bears have too many holes still and are a year away from competing.  Minnesota is a mix bag.  Their defense is terrible and they really lost too many pieces from a team which relied on a ton of good fortune.   The Lions are just a good football team all the way around.  Great disciplined coaching.  A vastly improved defense which has major upgrades at every level.  And a genius OC who knows how to run a very effective offense.  The Lions will win this.  The Packers will be second or third depending how good Love is. 

[MDC 7,133]

I don’t know enough about the Packers tbh but Love looked pretty good against Philly last year. I think he’ll be fine and Aaron is pretty washed and won’t go far with the Jets. NFCN divisional games will be a dog fight. 

Edit: GB has the feel of a 7-8 win team.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

I think they'll vie for the division and a playoff spot.  Love will be fine, offense will be good with good weapons and a decent line.  Defense looks good.

Division is kinda weak, Bears will still be trash, Minn will be mid, and the Pack will be close to the Lions.

[Mike Honcho 5,097]

Packer fan chiming in here---I expect 500ish team, but we see Love take his first steps to the HOF and lead the team to multiple SB wins.  I've become used to HOF QB's, and will be disappointed by anything less.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

18 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Jordan Love will be really good. I have no idea what their record will be. Isn't there defense kind of bad?

Their defense is actually fairly solid.  Just underachieving for how many resources they've put into that side.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

19 minutes ago, jonmx said:

I think the Packers still have a solid defense and some weapons on offense.  Love is a huge wildcard.  The Bears are too much hype thinking Fields is a league MVP caliber QB.  The Bears have too many holes still and are a year away from competing.  Minnesota is a mix bag.  Their defense is terrible and they really lost too many pieces from a team which relied on a ton of good fortune.   The Lions are just a good football team all the way around.  Great disciplined coaching.  A vastly improved defense which has major upgrades at every level.  And a genius OC who knows how to run a very effective offense.  The Lions will win this.  The Packers will be second or third depending how good Love is. 

I expect the Lions to win the division (wild times). I'm just surprised the Packers are basically picked last in the division.  At least their odds to win the division are the widest.   Bears like +380 Packers +400. 

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19 minutes ago, MDC said:

I don’t know enough about the Packers tbh but Love looked pretty good against Philly last year. I think he’ll be fine and Aaron is pretty washed and won’t go far with the Jets. NFCN divisional games will be a dog fight. 

Edit: GB has the feel of a 7-8 win team.

7 or 8 feels correct.  Maybe with some upside.  I think they have a fairly good roster.  They draft well for the most part even if I don't always agree with their philosophy.  

[WhiteWonder 2,677]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

Fairly easy schedule.   They are last in odds to win their division.   I am interested to hear what people think.  Seems like early on in the offseason people said they'd find out the hard way what it is like not to have a top QB.  Now it seems like much of the media has fallen in love with Love to maybe overhyping him.  Not sure exactly where fans/non media fall.

Packers this year and beyond with Love.  What say you geeks?

While it's tough to go from a hall of fame QB to Jordan Love, people seem to forget that previously they were going from a hall of fame QB to Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers was just Rodgers. 

People also forget that Rodgers didn't lead the Packers to anything of note since 2010(11). He couldn't beat Jared Goff and the Lions last year to make the playoffs. We can point to injury, the defense, the loss of Adams (though he had Adams for 8 years before that). 

I don't think losing him is going to hurt as much as some people/media have made it out to be. 

If Watson continues to develop, along with the other young receivers, and they continue to deploy a successful 2 pronged rushing attack, Green Bay can be a decent team in the short term. Then it's just up to Love, as it is with any younger QB. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

Fairly easy schedule.   They are last in odds to win their division.   I am interested to hear what people think.  Seems like early on in the offseason people said they'd find out the hard way what it is like not to have a top QB.  Now it seems like much of the media has fallen in love with Love to maybe overhyping him.  Not sure exactly where fans/non media fall.

Packers this year and beyond with Love.  What say you geeks?

It all depends on how good or bad Love is.  I think the rest of the team is pretty solid.  I don't think they're great, but they're good.  No one has seen any long term play from him, so it's hard to gauge just how good he is.  I don't discount the possibility that he could be really good and the Packers might be an 11+ win team.  I also don't ignore the possibility that he might be "ok" and the Pack win around 7.  I think it's unlikely that he's great and they win 13+ games and just as likely that he sucks and they win 5 or less.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

After 30 years, two MVP QBs and, sadly, only TWO Superbowl wins it was bound to happen that the pendulum would swing the other way at some point.  As Packers fans we've been pretty spoiled over those last 30 years so now our expectations our much, much higher - even for new guys coming in.  In those 30 years, the Packers have had TWO starting QBs.  By comparison, the Bears have had like 90 in that same 30 years. 

I haven't seen anything from Love at this point to indicate he's the next great Packers HOF QB but, admittedly, we don't have a large sample size to go on.  What I've seen so far is he may be the best check-down QB in Packer's history  That's not a good thing, IMHO.  I'm thinking around .500 this year.

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

24 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

While it's tough to go from a hall of fame QB to Jordan Love, people seem to forget that previously they were going from a hall of fame QB to Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers was just Rodgers. 

People also forget that Rodgers didn't lead the Packers to anything of note since 2010(11). He couldn't beat Jared Goff and the Lions last year to make the playoffs. We can point to injury, the defense, the loss of Adams (though he had Adams for 8 years before that). 

I don't think losing him is going to hurt as much as some people/media have made it out to be. 

If Watson continues to develop, along with the other young receivers, and they continue to deploy a successful 2 pronged rushing attack, Green Bay can be a decent team in the short term. Then it's just up to Love, as it is with any younger QB. 

Something to keep in mind about the Favre/Rodgers transition is that the drop off wasn't anything of note on offense, it was the defense.  In 2007 with Favre, the Packers were #2 in Pts scored and 4th in total yards.  Favre had a 95.7 passer rating and a QBR of 70.8.  In Rodgers' first season, the Packers were #5 in Pts scored and 8th in total yards.  Rodgers had a 93.8 passer rating and a QBR of 62.9.  The difference was the defense.  In 2007, the Packers were 6th in points against and 11th in yards against, but the 2008 defense was 20th in points against and 22nd in yards.  Over the next 4 years, the Packers won 11, 10, 14, and 11 games with Rodgers.  Only 1 of those years, they didn't have a top 10 defense.

Last year, the Packers were an 8-win team with Rodgers being "ok" and their defense being average (ranked 17th in points and yards against).  If Love is "ok" and so is the defense, they may win 8 games again.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

8 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

As Packers fans we've been pretty spoiled over those last 30 years

Extremely spoiled and as a Bear's fan I'm sick of it.  It's time for a change in the NFC north.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

After 30 years, two MVP QBs and, sadly, only TWO Superbowl wins it was bound to happen that the pendulum would swing the other way at some point.  As Packers fans we've been pretty spoiled over those last 30 years so now our expectations our much, much higher - even for new guys coming in.  In those 30 years, the Packers have had TWO QBs.  By comparison, the Bears have had like 90 in that same 30 years. 

I haven't seen anything from Love at this point to indicate he's the next great Packers HOF QB but, admittedly, we don't have a large sample size to go on.  What I've seen so far is he may be the best check-down QB in Packer's history  That's not a good thing, IMHO.  I'm thinking around .500 this year.

Can be a good thing.  Take what the defenss gives especially as a young developing QB.  He uses the middle of the field.   Which is nice because Rodgers neglected it last year and they became easy yo defend.  

He has all the arm talent.  No need to force throws at this point of his career.  Will be interesting to see how he orchestrates a 2 minute offense when the games count.  

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Extremely spoiled and as a Bear's fan I'm sick of it.  It's time for a change in the NFC north.

Da Bears Still Suck!

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Extremely spoiled and as a Bear's fan I'm sick of it.  It's time for a change in the NFC north.

Not with Fields as your QB. 

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Da Bears Still Suck!

Most assuredly!

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Da Bears Still Suck!

It's our turn.  Fields is the franchise QB we've been waiting for and will bring us to the promised land. 

[kilroy69 1,216]

The lions are gonna run the nfc north.

[Voltaire 5,202]

They finally have non-HOF QB play and I don't have a good deal of respect for the rest of their roster. They look like a 6-11 team to me. Worst in teh division may not out of the question as the Bears have improved over the offseason.

I'm not worried about the Packers, the Lions both outplayed and beat them twice with Rogers, then improved over the offseason. The Lions should have this, I'll save my worrying for Ohio State.

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Just now, Voltaire said:

I'm not worried about the Packers, the Lions both outplayed and beat them twice with Rogers, then improved over the offseason. They finally have non-HOF QB play and look like a 6-11 team to me. The Lions should have this, I'll save my worrying for Ohio State.

By many metrics Rodgers was below average last year.  He played injured but he was below average.  It isn't out of the realm of possibility that Love even this very year could match or exceed what Rodgers did last year.  

But I agree should be Lions year to win it.  Vikings were frauds.  Bears just had the first pick.  And Love is a first time starter (he started a game before but you know)

[MDC 7,133]

2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

7 or 8 feels correct.  Maybe with some upside.  I think they have a fairly good roster.  They draft well for the most part even if I don't always agree with their philosophy.  

I think it’s a 7-8 win team that looks better at the end of the season than the beginning and GB fans feel good about the QB at the end.

[seafoam1 2,803]

Rodgers won as many conference championship games as Rex Grossman. 

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

Ten wins.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Rodgers was not very good last year and they finished 8-9.

I don’t know too much as far as who they lost and brought in this off-season, but my hunch is between 7 and 9 wins.

Jordan love seems like he’ll be at least decent and he’ll have better weapons than Rodgers did last year due to Watson and Doubs having a year under their belts, if nothing else.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

5 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Rodgers won as many conference championship games as Rex Grossman. 

How many SuperBowls did Grossman win?  Or MVP wins?

[seafoam1 2,803]

11 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

How many SuperBowls did Grossman win?  Or MVP wins?

mvps dont count if you don't win. Rodgers has a total of one more superbowl than grossman. Oh boy, he ties brad johnson, mark ripien,  nick foles, jim mcmahon, trent dilfer...

And more...

It's amazing.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

mvps dont count if you don't win. Rodgers has a total of one more superbowl than grossman. Oh boy, he ties brad johnson, mark ripien,  nick foles, jim mcmahon, trent dilfer...

And more...

It's amazing.

and yet, he still has one and Grossman doesn't.   if it's so easy and not a big deal, why doesn't Grossman have one?

In the end, Rodgers will be in the HOF and Grossman won't even sniff it.

[seafoam1 2,803]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

and yet, he still has one and Grossman doesn't.   if it's so easy and not a big deal, why doesn't Grossman have one?

In the end, Rodgers will be in the HOF and Grossman won't even sniff it.

I admit, rodgers has the same number.of superbowl wins as trent dilfer. That I guess is hall of fame worthy. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

I admit, rodgers has the same number.of superbowl wins as trent dilfer. That I guess is hall of fame worthy. 

It is? Or do you think there is just a bit more to it than just SuperBowl wins to get in the HOF?

[jerryskids 6,567]

That entire division seems average; I could see every team with at least 7 wins and no more than 10.  Detroit is supposed to be all that but my wife and her family are from there and so we know all too well that at some point, Lions gonna Lion.   

[seafoam1 2,803]

 

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

It is? Or do you think there is just a bit more to it than just SuperBowl wins to get in the HOF?

All I'm saying, in all his years, he only got past the conferance championship once. And he has had very good teams. The HOF is for hall of famers. Not regular season nutjobs.

[frank 2,276]

Easily top 4 in the division. 

[Reality 3,099]

Who cares.

[Stryker Ryker 188]

As long as Jones is scoring touchdowns I don’t care about the rest. Flexing him on people this year

[Voltaire 5,202]

Lions kept 29 defensive players and only 21 offensive players, and they should, the defensive depth was wonderful whereas the offensive players cut were just guys. Rather than graciously providing the first players picked off waivers for nothing, better to hold the defensive talent and trade with some team that has kept an extra back end WR, OT, or PK.

[BeenHereBefore 1,467]

13 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

Packer fan chiming in here---I expect 500ish team, but we see Love take his first steps to the HOF and lead the team to multiple SB wins.  I've become used to HOF QB's, and will be disappointed by anything less.

If life is fair you guys deserve a Ryan Leaf at some point.

[Gepetto 1,289]

8 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

If life is fair you guys deserve a Ryan Leaf at some point.

That already happened, like every QB in Green Bay starting after Bart Starr and before Brett Favre.

[BeenHereBefore 1,467]

4 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

That already happened, like every QB in Green Bay starting after Bart Starr and before Brett Favre.

But this/