War in Israel

[Reality 3,121]

Biden checking his watch at a memorial to honor the lives of the Marines killed during his horribly planned withdrawal. Anybody making excuses for the way Biden handled that withdrawal are as much of a piece of shlt that he is. I'm not surprised by the couple of local folks who were up to the task. You are literal garbage human beings.

 

[TimHauck 2,734]

34 minutes ago, Reality said:

Biden checking his watch at a memorial to honor the lives of the Marines killed during his horribly planned withdrawal. Anybody making excuses for the way Biden handled that withdrawal are as much of a piece of shlt that he is. I'm not surprised by the couple of local folks who were up to the task. You are literal garbage human beings.

 

Sucks to lose a son but pretty disgusting of this guy to use his son as a political pawn because he has a serious case of BDS.

[Mark Davis 389]

52 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Sine WW2 there has never been a better time to be an antisemite. They just aren’t afraid to hide it anymore 

They have a home in the young liberal crowd.  When it came to BLM it's now pretty apparent they were accepting of the whole mantra, complete with the Marxism.  Everything is now about race and the oppressed/oppressor.  The end result in that kind of thinking is swirling the toilet bowl where no society ever can pay enough for the grievances of the oppressed.  Israel is the oppressor here, and now even wanting to eliminate all Jews is acceptable to them.  That's the type thinking we have been allowing to take hold.

[DonS 3,292]

16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Sucks to lose a son but pretty disgusting of this guy to use his son as a political pawn because he has a serious case of BDS.

Did you not see the video of Biden checking his watch?  Political pawn / BDS my ass. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,278]

They overlook or actually support Hamas because they are POC. That’s why Russia is the best enemy.  All the other white countries are cucked. 

[TimHauck 2,734]

6 minutes ago, DonS said:

Did you not see the video of Biden checking his watch?  Political pawn / BDS my ass. 

BDS is the only explanation for the potshots at Biden’s family.

Checking a watch is better than not going at all:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-dover-afb-returning-soldiers-bodies-lie_n_5f4ebdc9c5b6250f655c1ca8

(and yes, I did vote for Trump, twice.  But unlike you, I’m actually objective).

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Just now, TimHauck said:

BDS is the only explanation for the potshots at Biden’s family.

Checking a watch is better than not going at all:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-dover-afb-returning-soldiers-bodies-lie_n_5f4ebdc9c5b6250f655c1ca8

(and yes, I did vote for Trump, twice.  But unlike you, I’m actually objective).

How original of you stealing TDS.

Plus, no chance in hell you voted for Trump. Everyone including your abandoned kid knows it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,278]

Bottom line, Biden never met a war he didn’t vote for. Trump kept us out of them. 

[The Real timschochet 6,656]

Tliab is continuing to lie about Israel bombing the hospital. She says that the US conspired with Israel to falsify information. 

Tliab is a leftist but this is straight out of the Trump playbook. You simply lie and lie some more and call whoever tells the truth liars. And then you attack the media. Does anybody see besides me that this is the exact same formula? 

This is why I am so opposed to those who spend all their time attacking the mainstream media. For all of its faults (and there are many) the MSM remains the best source of truth. Without it we’re doomed. 

Tliab should have been censured in the House. It was voted down. In yet another move worthy of Trump she threatened that anyone who censured her would be guilty of Islamophobia. Apparently this was enough to scare off a bunch of Democrats and even 23 Republicans. Cowards all. 

[seafoam1 2,931]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Tliab is continuing to lie about Israel bombing the hospital. She says that the US conspired with Israel to falsify information. 

Tliab is a leftist but this is straight out of the Trump playbook. You simply lie and lie some more and call whoever tells the truth liars. And then you attack the media. Does anybody see besides me that this is the exact same formula? 

This is why I am so opposed to those who spend all their time attacking the mainstream media. For all of its faults (and there are many) the MSM remains the best source of truth. Without it we’re doomed. 

Tliab should have been censured in the House. It was voted down. In yet another move worthy of Trump she threatened that anyone who censured her would be guilty of Islamophobia. Apparently this was enough to scare off a bunch of Democrats and even 23 Republicans. Cowards all. 

Nutjob timmy doing what he.does. 

Even when the leftist idiots go after their own, they have to bring up Trump. 

[listen2me 23 1,858]

8 hours ago, MDC said:

My argument is whining about a less than perfect end to a 20-year quagmire is petty.

Lol OK.  What if it was a 5 year war, opened back up to talk about it?  

You tell me the rules.  

Shhhh don't talk about it!   

[MDC 7,296]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

Lol OK.  What if it was a 5 year war, opened back up to talk about it?  

You tell me the rules.  

Shhhh don't talk about it!   

You tell me first what Biden did wrong that led to the airport bombing that killed 13 servicemen you fellas keep talking about? And why we care so much about leaving some military equipment in Afghanistan? Trump negotiated our withdrawal with the people who now control that country. 

I don’t think this dog is going to hunt come election time. You guys might want to focus on Israel / Palestinian fake outrage. It’s a little fresher.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,278]

14 minutes ago, MDC said:

You tell me first what Biden did wrong that led to the airport bombing that killed 13 servicemen you fellas keep talking about? And why we care so much about leaving some military equipment in Afghanistan? Trump negotiated our withdrawal with the people who now control that country. 

I don’t think this dog is going to hunt come election time. You guys might want to focus on Israel / Palestinian fake outrage. It’s a little fresher.

Yup. This ass-hole  running his mouth and has to ask questions about what happened. Stfu troll. Or go read. 

[MDC 7,296]

This from the attention starved phaggit who spends all day every day sissy swordfighting and begging for attention across multiple threads.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,278]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

This from the attention starved phaggit who spends all day every day sissy swordfighting and begging for attention across multiple threads.

 

I’m attention starved? Lol. Look at me! I’m going to the big city that I have been to numerous times! Got a pizza recommendation?

[MDC 7,296]

Spending every day of the week sissy swordfighting with a rotating roster of a few dozen Geeks = trolling and attention horing.

Tardcore doesn’t have much to fill his time between Lyft shifts. I mostly ignore him cause I don’t want to be an enabler.

 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

10 hours ago, Reality said:

Biden checking his watch at a memorial to honor the lives of the Marines killed during his horribly planned withdrawal. Anybody making excuses for the way Biden handled that withdrawal are as much of a piece of shlt that he is. I'm not surprised by the couple of local folks who were up to the task. You are literal garbage human beings.

 

9 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Sucks to lose a son but pretty disgusting of this guy to use his son as a political pawn because he has a serious case of BDS.

Right on cue.  Garbage is too kind a word for this guy.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,278]

9 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Sucks to lose a son but pretty disgusting of this guy to use his son as a political pawn because he has a serious case of BDS.

Sucks to lose your wife and daughter but pretty disgusting of Biden to use them as a political pawn because he wants to get elected. 

[TimHauck 2,734]

3 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

 

Right on cue.  Garbage is too kind a word for this guy.

I wasn’t commenting on the withdrawal, just the dude using his dead son to score points with conservatives.  Reality ate it up like usual.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,278]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I wasn’t commenting on the withdrawal, just the dude using his dead son to score points with conservatives.  Reality ate it up like usual.

You don’t seem to be bothered by Biden using his dead son to score points.  

[Cdub100 3,892]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You don’t seem to be bothered by Biden using his dead son to score points.  

His living son scored a lot of points with his dead brothers wife.

 

What a disgusting family 

[Strike 5,437]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

You tell me first what Biden did wrong that led to the airport bombing that killed 13 servicemen you fellas keep talking about? And why we care so much about leaving some military equipment in Afghanistan? Trump negotiated our withdrawal with the people who now control that country. 

I don’t think this dog is going to hunt come election time. You guys might want to focus on Israel / Palestinian fake outrage. It’s a little fresher.

He closed Bagram airfield.

[KSB2424 3,148]

The Arab world consists of 22 Countries covering a large portion of earth on two continents in that region.  Concurrently there are over 50 Muslim-Majority countries. 

Israel is the only Jewish Country in the world and is roughly the size of New Jersey.  

Just a point of reference.  

[MDC 7,296]

27 minutes ago, Strike said:

He closed Bagram airfield.

Okay. The pentagon made a recommendation, it didn’t work out, some soldiers got killed, now we’re gone. Had Trump pulled out of Afghanistan like he said he would, maybe fewer people would have died. 50+ people died on his watch as POTUS and his Secretary of Defense said he never intended to pull out.

There are a lot of things you could trash Biden for, this one is lame and more importantly to you it won’t move the needle for anyone who doesn’t have BDS. 

[Engorgeous George 2,290]

3 hours ago, MDC said:

You tell me first what Biden did wrong that led to the airport bombing that killed 13 servicemen you fellas keep talking about? And why we care so much about leaving some military equipment in Afghanistan? Trump negotiated our withdrawal with the people who now control that country. 

I don’t think this dog is going to hunt come election time. You guys might want to focus on Israel / Palestinian fake outrage. It’s a little fresher.

As I recall, and I freely admit my recall may be less than perfect as this is not a prime issue for me, there were two potential avenues of egress.  The first was an urban airport in a city center surrounded by buildings right up to its fenceline.  In those buildings lived civilians and amoungst those civilians , intermingled and indistinguishable from them were Afghan fighters.  The other airport was beyond rural, it was in the middle of nowhere.  There was a clear twenty mile kill zone around it in the entirety.  Noone could approach its fenceline without being eliminated through any number of methods of fire whether ground artillary and small arms, helicopter, or fixed wing aircraft.  It was a perfect defensive postion.  Biden's crew choose the urban nightmare.

Next the Administration choose to evacuate much of the military strength in arms and personnel and then try to extract, without sufficient cover, american personnel and allies.  Predictably the airbase was pressured and overrun and supplies were left behind.  Had the Administration instead evac'd personnel under protection of full arms they would all have gotten out, then the armed personnel could have evac'd those materials they chose, again under cover, and could have stockpiled the remainder together in an area were they could have been demo'd by engineers using det cord. explosives, and corrosives.  Finally the armed personnel could have been extracted under cover of our air superiority and the material left behind demolished from the air.

As I said this may be wrong, my memory may be spotty.  What I am aware of is that there is an order, a checklist if you will to pulling out, to an orderly withdrawal or retreat.  The procedure is covered at the academies.  The procedure was not followed to predictable results. You could look all of this up if you truly cared to understand the matter rather than to try to run interfeerence on the issue.  

 

[Engorgeous George 2,290]

12 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

The Arab world consists of 22 Countries covering a large portion of earth on two continents in that region.  Concurrently there are over 50 Muslim-Majority countries. 

Israel is the only Jewish Country in the world and is roughly the size of New Jersey.  

Just a point of reference.  

Are you suggesting, and I hope you are, that we give the jews New Jersey?  

[Strike 5,437]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Okay. The pentagon made a recommendation, it didn’t work out, some soldiers got killed, now we’re gone. Had Trump pulled out of Afghanistan like he said he would, maybe fewer people would have died. 50+ people died on his watch as POTUS and his Secretary of Defense said he never intended to pull out.

There are a lot of things you could trash Biden for, this one is lame and more importantly to you it won’t move the needle for anyone who doesn’t have BDS. 

I don't know that the "Pentagon" made the recommendation.  Do you have proof of that?  Trump had mostly pulled out. We were down to like 2500 troops over there.  He was working on it.  I prefer his methodology, where no one dies, to Biden's.    But hey, you and @IGotWorms seem to be comfortable with the following conversation.  I am not.

 

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I'm sorry ma'am/sir.  Your son/daughter died and if we'd done things differently we could have saved him/her but you should take solace in knowing that compared to historical precedents they were part of a much smaller group of casualties.  Here's your flag.

And it's more than the 13 servicepeople who were killed.  We abandoned loyal Afghans who had been helping us for years.  We destroyed ANY good will we had built up over there with the average Afghanistan so if we ever have to go back in there will be zero trust with any locals, not to mention getting a lot of them killed.  I also was pretty happy with the additional rights women and I believe children had gained during our time there.  That is now lost.  Whatever happened to you libs being in favor of women's rights?  There are so many things that became wasted efforts as a result of what Biden did.  But at least he fulfilled a campaign promise.  I guess.

[Engorgeous George 2,290]

Oh, and MDC, please know I do not put all of the responsibility for this massive blunder on Biden.  He had advisors, generals, experts helping plan this debacle.  The buck stops with Biden but the blame spreads much further.  We don't really expect our Commander in chief to be a military expert.  We expect them to rely on sound advice.  Biden did not get any, but sadly he did not recognize that. 

[MDC 7,296]

10 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't know that the "Pentagon" made the recommendation.  Do you have proof of that?  Trump had mostly pulled out. We were down to like 2500 troops over there.  He was working on it.  I prefer his methodology, where no one dies, to Biden's.    But hey, you and @IGotWorms seem to be comfortable with the following conversation.  I am not.

 

And it's more than the 13 servicepeople who were killed.  We abandoned loyal Afghans who had been helping us for years.  We destroyed ANY good will we had built up over there with the average Afghanistan so if we ever have to go back in there will be zero trust with any locals, not to mention getting a lot of them killed.  I also was pretty happy with the additional rights women and I believe children had gained during our time there.  That is now lost.  Whatever happened to you libs being in favor of women's rights?  There are so many things that became wasted efforts as a result of what Biden did.  But at least he fulfilled a campaign promise.  I guess.

It was widely reported at the time: Link

I’m not “okay” with it but there’s a high likelihood something like this would have happened at any time that we left.

So far as abandoning the Afghanis, what a joke. Trumo negotiated our withdrawal with the Taliban instead of the government we spent 20 years trying to establish.

I won’t blame Trump for that because we needed to leave and he was right about that. But it’s laughable that you’d blame Biden for abandoning the puppet government that his predecessor basically dissolved.

Seriously, get a better angle.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

11 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They overlook or actually support Hamas because they are POC. That’s why Russia is the best enemy.  All the other white countries are cucked. 

Another Putin bootlicker here.

If you love Russia so much, how about you move there?

[seafoam1 2,931]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Did he call them losers and suckers? Did he say he hates POWs?

Actions speak louder than words. 

[seafoam1 2,931]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Another Putin bootlicker here.

If you love Russia so much, how about you move there?

You defend human trafficking. aka. Slavery. 

[seafoam1 2,931]

A thread full of liberal dopes getting spanked again. 

[seafoam1 2,931]

mdcack getting slapped around again. 30 years of 24x7 garbage posting hasn't taught him anything.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,278]

8 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Another Putin bootlicker here.

If you love Russia so much, how about you move there?

Because Putin is in charge there. He’s a bloodthirsty criminal. But Bill Clinton and Bernie Sanders love them some Russia.  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Because Putin is in charge there. He’s a bloodthirsty criminal. But Bill Clinton and Bernie Sanders love them some Russia.  

Sounds like the sort of guy we should be backing a fight against and supporting our allies against?

Glad you’ve finally come around

[Hardcore troubadour 15,278]

14 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Sounds like the sort of guy we should be backing a fight against and supporting our allies against?

Glad you’ve finally come around

Nope.  I didn’t choose sides between the crips and the bloods either. 

[Strike 5,437]

49 minutes ago, MDC said:

It was widely reported at the time: Link

I’m not “okay” with it but there’s a high likelihood something like this would have happened at any time that we left.

So far as abandoning the Afghanis, what a joke. Trumo negotiated our withdrawal with the Taliban instead of the government we spent 20 years trying to establish.

I won’t blame Trump for that because we needed to leave and he was right about that. But it’s laughable that you’d blame Biden for abandoning the puppet government that his predecessor basically dissolved.

Seriously, get a better angle.

1)  Your article is from Politico, a known left wing hack site, and it's "evidence" is supposedly a bunch of anonymous sources.  Yeah, I'll pass.

2)  From your own article, and corroborated ELSEWHERE so much more credible:

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. For the first four months of 2021, as the White House reviewed the withdrawal timeline inherited from the Trump administration, Austin and Milley, as well as senior military commanders, urged Biden to leave a few thousand troops in Afghanistan indefinitely. Both were overruled.

So when you say Biden listened to his military advisors, what you really mean is that he DIDN'T listen to them at all.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,278]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

1)  Your article is from Politico, a known left wing hack site, and it's "evidence" is supposedly a bunch of anonymous sources.  Yeah, I'll pass.

2)  From your own article, and corroborated ELSEWHERE so much more credible:

So when you say Biden listened to his military advisors, what you really mean is that he DIDN'T listen to them at all.

 

And yet he comes in here running his mouth on a subject he knows nothing about.  

[MDC 7,296]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

1)  Your article is from Politico, a known left wing hack site, and it's "evidence" is supposedly a bunch of anonymous sources.  Yeah, I'll pass.

2)  From your own article, and corroborated ELSEWHERE so much more credible:

So when you say Biden listened to his military advisors, what you really mean is that he DIDN'T listen to them at all.

 

1. I could post other links too but you’d dismiss them also.

2. Assuming that’s true I’m glad Biden did ignore his military advisors and leave Afghanistan, in accordance with the deal Trump brokered with the Taliban instead of the puppet government we’d propped up for 20 years. 

You can keep crying. I highly doubt anyone but Trumpers are going be fuming about our imperfect exit from Afghanistan in 2024.