Why would a black person vote for Trump

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Blacks have been bamboozled

 

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21 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Biden has made so many racist statements, which to be fair is more or less in line with Democrats and how they act

He's clearly a racist, his comments and history as a Senator confirm he's a racist. 

The Pedocrats obviously don't care about black people, otherwise they'd be going crazy right now. 

They love him BECAUSE he's a racist. 

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28 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Never seen such a disinterested crowd in a speech. Zero respect, A total humiliation for Biden.   

Biden keeps repeating the same things that are condescending to black people. They can`t relate to an 82 year old man who has made racist comments, put more black people behind bars with his crime bills, broke families and now is trying to repent and relate.  Just does not work with that crowd.

And they also see that he is bringing in new waves of voters to replace them. 

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Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

He's clearly a racist, his comments and history as a Senator confirm he's a racist. 

The Pedocrats obviously don't care about black people, otherwise they'd be going crazy right now. 

They love him BECAUSE he's a racist. 

I sorta bristle at the usage of racist, to a certain extent, I think he says racist things.....and perhaps he is an actual racist.... but I think it might be more appropriate to call him a moron, or a prejudiced individual. I just think the over use, bordering on abuse, of the term "racist" is just a big yawn.....its thrown about recklessly, so we should attempt some restraint.....because this over use has watered it down too much

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

, I think he says racist things..

Not just that, his policies as a Senator in Delaware were extremely racist, no matter how you frame it. He targeted the Black community and made no bones about it. 

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3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

 

https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1791964079101206859

Trump claimed over the weekend he's done more for blacks than Abraham Lincoln.  That's just absurd, I hope we can all agree.

But then I was thinking ok what has he done for black people, and I couldn't think of anything.  I googled and this is all I could find: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/trump-campaign-press-release-fact-president-trumps-policies-have-delivered-for-black

Meanwhile we know that he was instrumental in striking down affirmative action and reproductive rights, talked about shooting BLM protestors, and has a long history of questionable positions on race.

What am I missing here?

Clearly they are low intelligent level MAGA cultists. 

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Biden said at Morehouse that black men have to work 10x as hard as white men just the break through in the world. 

Hyperbole much? Good grief. 

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Much as I detest Trump, and hope he loses, the question is offensive. Black people are not monolithic. Some of them are conservative. Some of them agree with Trump on immigration, or nationalism, or his economic policy, or all of it. 
 

Also, not every black person votes based primarily on the question, “what have you done for black people?” You would never assume a white person votes based on “what have you done for white people?” (Well, @Cdub100 might, but most wouldn’t.) 

 

 

100% agree Tim. The question that should be asked is “what has Trump/Biden done for Americans”?  This identity politics has ruined our system.

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2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

100% agree Tim. The question that should be asked is “what has Trump/Biden done for Americans”?  This identity politics has ruined our system.

No, you don't get it. It's a contest between Republicans and Democrats as to who can suck the most black d1ck.

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They can't even defend Biden  

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1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

They can't even defend Biden  

A career criminal/politician, who has espoused some racist stuff all his life, and who has recently harmed a significant portion of the population....allowed unfettered immigration and how many conflicts arose during his time?

Their only defense is either, yeah but Trump is hitler....or....you are just so stupid...

Yeah, stupid enough to know we can do better.

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2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

OK here's one.  The FUTURE Act was a democratic sponsored bill, which gave $85M to HBCUs, and Trump signed it to his credit.

In 2021, Biden said hold my beer and passed $2.7B for HBCUs.

That makes your statement false.

I'm not sure that we can conflate "done the most for black people" with "give them the most free stuff."  If that were the case, then freeing the slaves would have no value in the discussion.  I would argue that record low black unemployment, and the First Step Act/sentence reductions, are more important than more free stuff.

And no, I don't think Trump did more than Lincoln.

I watched the video:  he said "since Lincoln -- and perhaps in some ways, including Lincoln -- but since Lincoln"...

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-an-insult-rev-al-slams-trump-for-saying-he-s-done-more-for-black-people-than-lincoln-211239493982

My guess is that the speech said "since Lincoln," but Trump couldn't help himself, because he is a narcissist, so he riffed the middle part.  I imagine his campaign people were doing some after he added that part.

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1 hour ago, Fumbleweed said:

Biden said at Morehouse that black men have to work 10x as hard as white men just the break through in the world. 

Hyperbole much? Good grief. 

I would imagine it is several times harder. Is it 3x? 5x? 10x? I couldn’t really say for sure, and neither can you 

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Just now, IGotWorms said:

I would imagine it is several times harder. Is it 3x? 5x? 10x? I couldn’t really say for sure, and neither can you 

You would "imagine'?  So, no basis in fact?  

If that's the case, then how about they have to work JUST as hard?  Seems like the right answer.

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1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

I would imagine it is several times harder. Is it 3x? 5x? 10x? I couldn’t really say for sure, and neither can you 

Yeah, Bronny James has it tough!!!!

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2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Inflation is over 20 pct under Biden. And that’s with them not counting many of the goods people use on a regular basis. So stop gaslighting people that go to the store and the gas station. Thanks 

That’s not the way inflation is measured but rather as a yearly figure. Because some inflation is necessary and in fact desirable (otherwise the economy is contracting, which is bad mmkay?).

So if I said something like golly gee inflation is up 300% since Reagan, things must’ve really gone off the rails!  that would kinda make me a focking idiot.

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6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I would imagine it is several times harder. Is it 3x? 5x? 10x? I couldn’t really say for sure, and neither can you 

Why would the current president, in an election year, basically tell young black people (and the world) that he's done nothing to fix this perceived problem?

But hey, vote for me, I'll fix it next time!

 

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12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm not sure that we can conflate "done the most for black people" with "give them the most free stuff."  If that were the case, then freeing the slaves would have no value in the discussion.  I would argue that record low black unemployment, and the First Step Act/sentence reductions, are more important than more free stuff.

And no, I don't think Trump did more than Lincoln.

I watched the video:  he said "since Lincoln -- and perhaps in some ways, including Lincoln -- but since Lincoln"...

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-an-insult-rev-al-slams-trump-for-saying-he-s-done-more-for-black-people-than-lincoln-211239493982

My guess is that the speech said "since Lincoln," but Trump couldn't help himself, because he is a narcissist, so he riffed the middle part.  I imagine his campaign people were doing some after he added that part.

OK, then we'll just exclude Lincoln.  It's still equally dumb, since he really didn't do much for black people anyway.

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4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

That’s not the way inflation is measured but rather as a yearly figure. Because some inflation is necessary and in fact desirable (otherwise the economy is contracting, which is bad mmkay?).

So if I said something like golly gee inflation is up 300% since Reagan, things must’ve really gone off the rails!  that would kinda make me a focking idiot.

YoY.  And it's simple math that when it ran as high as 9%, sustained over 6.5% for a period of two years prices of goods aren't coming down any time soon.  You need several years of sub 2%.  That's easy for most people to comprehend.    

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3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Why would the current president, in an election year, basically tell young black people (and the world) that he's done nothing to fix this perceived problem?

But hey, vote for me, I'll fix it next time!

 

A good point. He is not running a good campaign this time around, that much is clear

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1 minute ago, Horseman said:

YoY.  And it's simple math that when it ran as high as 9%, sustained over 6.5% for a period of two years prices of goods aren't coming down any time soon.  You need several years of sub 2%.  That's easy for most people to comprehend.    

False, you don’t ever want sub 2%

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1 minute ago, Horseman said:

YoY.  And it's simple math that when it ran as high as 9%, sustained over 6.5% for a period of two years prices of goods aren't coming down any time soon.  You need several years of sub 2%.  That's easy for most people to comprehend.    

CPI rarely goes down and usually requires a recession and/or deflation.

It's amazing how few people understand this.

People also forget that they're making more money now too.

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8 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

False, you don’t ever want sub 2%

I'm not arguing what's best for the economy.  I'm telling you what has to happen if you want prices to ever normalize.  There is a reason feds target 2%, they would love 2% or lower right now.

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8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

CPI rarely goes down and usually requires a recession and/or deflation.

It's amazing how few people understand this.

It's amazing that someone thinks the discussion was for negative inflation.   

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19 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

False, you don’t ever want sub 2%

Yeah, it was horrible a few years ago BB when it was below 2.  

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1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

I would imagine it is several times harder. Is it 3x? 5x? 10x? I couldn’t really say for sure, and neither can you 

You're right in the sense that I can't ever fully or even mostly insert myself into another's shoes. That would be prejudicial. But, I do think 10x is a stretch in 2024. A big one. Corporate entities will look to hire a minority person over a non-minority in most cases without hesitation if both are qualified. Biden was speaking to highly educated black males. A black man with a college degree doesn't have to then work 10x harder than anyone to get anything. He'll have ample opportunities in 2024. 

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9 minutes ago, Fumbleweed said:

You're right in the sense that I can't ever fully or even mostly insert myself into another's shoes. That would be prejudicial. But, I do think 10x is a stretch in 2024. A big one. Corporate entities will look to hire a minority person over a non-minority in most cases without hesitation if both are qualified. Biden was speaking to highly educated black males. A black man with a college degree doesn't have to then work 10x harder than anyone to get anything. He'll have ample opportunities in 2024. 

I do not believe this is accepted as true.....now if that person is successful you might observe some support for this assertion, but if they are not....well, that is just proof of racism.....  

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1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

I would imagine it is several times harder. Is it 3x? 5x? 10x? I couldn’t really say for sure, and neither can you 

You guys are stuck in the past.  

And this right here is probably why POC are leaving.  

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2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

People also forget that they're making more money now too.

Sure wages are going up, however the prices of things going up is out pacing that. My little raise doesn't cover the fact that groceries are now 22% more than they were a year ago. And those wage surges have really slowed down since late 2023, they aren't as much as they were before. Again, ask anyone that's out there looking for a better job, or a job in general right now, especially in the corporate world; it's horrible. 

I am not making 22% more than I was a year ago. 

This is just more gaslighting from the left to those that are in the trenches. 

https://www.nbcwashington.com/inflation-economy-housing-prices-recession-vibes/a-tale-of-2-economies-wages-are-going-up-why-do-we-feel-like-we-cant-afford-anything/3536747/#:~:text=A majority of Americans%2C around,10% said they got both.

 

The answer, once again, comes down to the inflation rate. Of the workers surveyed who did get a raise, only 33% said their income kept up with, or exceeded, increases in their household expenses due to inflation, according to that survey.

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48 minutes ago, Fumbleweed said:

You're right in the sense that I can't ever fully or even mostly insert myself into another's shoes. That would be prejudicial. But, I do think 10x is a stretch in 2024. A big one. Corporate entities will look to hire a minority person over a non-minority in most cases without hesitation if both are qualified. Biden was speaking to highly educated black males. A black man with a college degree doesn't have to then work 10x harder than anyone to get anything. He'll have ample opportunities in 2024. 

Hate and bigotry are very much alive and well in this country. I’m not saying any more than that because I’ll lose you, but please don’t think it’s over, because it is not.

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6 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

 

https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1791964079101206859

Trump claimed over the weekend he's done more for blacks than Abraham Lincoln.  That's just absurd, I hope we can all agree.

But then I was thinking ok what has he done for black people, and I couldn't think of anything.  I googled and this is all I could find: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/trump-campaign-press-release-fact-president-trumps-policies-have-delivered-for-black

Meanwhile we know that he was instrumental in striking down affirmative action and reproductive rights, talked about shooting BLM protestors, and has a long history of questionable positions on race.

What am I missing here?

You are a dumb, uninformed human being.

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1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Hate and bigotry is very much alive and well in this country. I’m not saying any more than that because I’ll lose you, but please don’t think it’s over, because it is not.

100%, but most - if not all - of that is coming from the left side of the aisle. 

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4 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Sure wages are going up, however the prices of things going up is out pacing that. My little raise doesn't cover the fact that groceries are now 22% more than they were a year ago. And those wage surges have really slowed down since late 2023, they aren't as much as they were before. Again, ask anyone that's out there looking for a better job, or a job in general right now, especially in the corporate world; it's horrible. 

I am not making 22% more than I was a year ago. 

This is just more gaslighting from the left to those that are in the trenches. 

https://www.nbcwashington.com/inflation-economy-housing-prices-recession-vibes/a-tale-of-2-economies-wages-are-going-up-why-do-we-feel-like-we-cant-afford-anything/3536747/#:~:text=A majority of Americans%2C around,10% said they got both.

 

The answer, once again, comes down to the inflation rate. Of the workers surveyed who did get a raise, only 33% said their income kept up with, or exceeded, increases in their household expenses due to inflation, according to that survey.

Inflation over the last year has been like 3.5%.

So I don’t know where you’re pulling 22% out of your butt but it’s an obvious attempt to mislead.

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20 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Sure wages are going up, however the prices of things going up is out pacing that. My little raise doesn't cover the fact that groceries are now 22% more than they were a year ago. And those wage surges have really slowed down since late 2023, they aren't as much as they were before. Again, ask anyone that's out there looking for a better job, or a job in general right now, especially in the corporate world; it's horrible. 

I am not making 22% more than I was a year ago. 

This is just more gaslighting from the left to those that are in the trenches. 

https://www.nbcwashington.com/inflation-economy-housing-prices-recession-vibes/a-tale-of-2-economies-wages-are-going-up-why-do-we-feel-like-we-cant-afford-anything/3536747/#:~:text=A majority of Americans%2C around,10% said they got both.

 

The answer, once again, comes down to the inflation rate. Of the workers surveyed who did get a raise, only 33% said their income kept up with, or exceeded, increases in their household expenses due to inflation, according to that survey.

Groceries are not up 22% more than a year ago.  Come on, be honest.

You're probably referring to ~20% more than pre covid.  And salaries have increased a lot.  Wage growth is now outpacing inflation.

It's not gaslighting, you just don't know the real data.

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15 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

you just don't know the real data.

I do  

 

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13 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trump’s incompetent and inactive response to the Covid-19 virus over the the first several months affected black peoples worse than any other group in this country: 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7762908/#:~:text=Approximately 97.9 out of every,Asians (40.4 per 100%2C000).

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-94350-9_36

You mean the time when Trump attempted to halt flights from China and was called a homophobe  and other names things by democrats.  That the time you’re referring to?

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This has to be the dumbest post this year. F*ucking racist, down grading black people’s ability to think clearly.  Let me answer:  Their lives, like all of our lives we’re better under Trump and you have to be a moron to think otherwise.  
 

Excuse me, I need to wash my hands after reading this thread. 

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41 minutes ago, Boots11234 said:

This has to be the dumbest post this year. F*ucking racist, down grading black people’s ability to think clearly.  Let me answer:  Their lives, like all of our lives we’re better under Trump and you have to be a moron to think otherwise.  
 

Excuse me, I need to wash my hands after reading this thread. 

I need to wash mine after reading your post. 

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22 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

What Trump policy(s) was beneficial under Trump that Biden no longer supports?

I'm trying to get to Trump's statement that he has done more for blacks than Lincoln.  Would assume then that Biden reversed Trump's policies too.  Can you name them?

If it's just a feeling then that's fine too.  Would mean that Trump is of course lying like he always does, and it's just inflation.

Lincoln is an interesting example of someone who disliked or even hated blacks, but wasn’t racist.  I find it intriguing.  It’s a fact that he did not like blacks, but he recognized the importance of abolishing slavery and folding blacks into the melting pot.  

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21 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Much as I detest Trump, and hope he loses, the question is offensive. Black people are not monolithic. Some of them are conservative. Some of them agree with Trump on immigration, or nationalism, or his economic policy, or all of it. 
 

Also, not every black person votes based primarily on the question, “what have you done for black people?” You would never assume a white person votes based on “what have you done for white people?” (Well, @Cdub100 might, but most wouldn’t.) 

 

 

Interesting take.  I don't vote specifically for "white issues".  In addition, since I'm not black, I don't feel like I am qualified to report out on what every black person does or doesn't do.   Thankfully we have you and squish to keep us in the loop about black feelings.   I wonder if black people enjoy being told how they feel by whites