Darren McFadden or Joseph Randle

[Voltaire 5,211]

Randle or DMac?

 

I'm thinking as soon as rosters are reduced to 53, everybody with 'RB' next to their name will be the focus in Dallas. There's a real good chance another name we don't know will be added to the mix as well.

 

Then again, they didn't exactly drop everything and race for the phone when the FJax news broke a few days ago.

 

I dunno, I'm just really nervous. This may wall be RBC jerking the value of both. If you get Randle at the price he's commanding, you're going to need to also commit real early to getting DMac - in 12 Geeks, a non-Randle owner swiped DMac at 9.3 - and there's no guarantee a roster cutdown guy doesn't come in and screw up the plan more.

 

To me, there's safe guys in the Randle price range 4/5 that I'd rather get. Once those are clearing out in ~6 with the top of the RBBC crew is when I'd consider him but he never lasts that long.

 

If I were inclined to gamble on this situation, I'd rather be like the guy in nine taking DMac, not the guy in four with Randle.

[stonewall 647]

I grabbed Randle in the 6th (9-hole) in a 12-man non-ppr big money league, and was glad to have him. He has the kind of upside I look for at that point in the draft.

 

I already had my 2 starting RB's: Charles and Forsett from the 1st and 3rd rounds to go with a high end WR and QB......Julio and Brees in the 2nd and 5th rounds. (btw: FFT having Brees ranked as #12 in QB projections is criminal negligence).

 

I personally believe that WR is deep this year......meaning steady-eddie WR2's with WR1 upside. I loaded up with Tate, Agholor, Charles Johnson, Brandon Coleman, and Devante Parker (only need 2 of them to pop), as well as Hillman and Kniles as an upside late RB and a handcuff. Unfortunately, I missed out on my David Johnson target by one pick.

 

For the record, I did not draft McFadden. Yes, it is always possible that he pops this year, but I have vowed to myself that I would never own that walking mangina again, and plan on honoring that vow......even if it costs me a grand.

 

I am not predicting that Randle is gonna be a stud this year, but it is certainly feasible behind that line. He is fresh, can catch the ball nicely outa the backfield, is on an explosive offense that wants to run the ball, and his competition has kite-strings for hamstrings. In the 6th round? Yes, please.

[seadog54 20]

are people really thinking McFadden will be healthy this year and actually make an impact? lmao.... some of you guys are so funny.

[Cruzer 1,995]

are people really thinking McFadden will be healthy this year and actually make an impact? lmao.... some of you guys are so funny.

Healthy - not sure...... But if he is, impact for sure.

[Swampdonkey 5]

I'm just worried that the Cowboys aren't going to have faith in the run and will abandon it in the Redzone especially when the game is on the line

[seadog54 20]

Healthy - not sure...... But if he is, impact for sure.

 

you must still be living in 2010. McFadden hasn't been relevant even when he is healthy. He hasn't averaged more than 3.4 yards in the past 3 years. And last year he played the most games in his career with 16 games and he got a whopping 534 yards with a avg of 3.4 yards a carry. Granted it's with OAK, but he is not the same McFadden as his early years and people are still holding out hope that he is.

[Squintz82 45]

 

you must still be living in 2010. McFadden hasn't been relevant even when he is healthy. He hasn't averaged more than 3.4 yards in the past 3 years. And last year he played the most games in his career with 16 games and he got a whopping 534 yards with a avg of 3.4 yards a carry. Granted it's with OAK, but he is not the same McFadden as his early years and people are still holding out hope that he is.

 

Basing his future performance behind the league's best offensive line on his past YPC on a terrible team with a bad line and no passing or receiving threat. You see to know something no one else does.

[crazywhorse 6]

i really don't understand the hype for mcfadden this year. yes, he's playing for one of the best offensive lines, but the guy can't stay healthy and even when he was healthy he only had 1 season that was any good. given his health history as well as performance the last 3 years, this guy isn't going to make an impact. He's going to be a 3rd down change of pace back when he is healthy. Every year he has been a disappointment and every year there is always someone willing to give him a chance. I drafted him the past 2 years, no more.

[Gladiators 1,964]

 

you must still be living in 2010. McFadden hasn't been relevant even when he is healthy. He hasn't averaged more than 3.4 yards in the past 3 years. And last year he played the most games in his career with 16 games and he got a whopping 534 yards with a avg of 3.4 yards a carry. Granted it's with OAK, but he is not the same McFadden as his early years and people are still holding out hope that he is.

Can you let Jerry and Jason know? Those idiots seem to think that he might be able to do something for the team. It's quite obvious based on the statistics you provided that can't help them.

[e-factor 13]

I'm just worried that the Cowboys aren't going to have faith in the run and will abandon it in the Redzone especially when the game is on the line

 

Their line is so strong, that they won't abandon the run, but definitely won't be pounding it like they did last year. I think Randle will do fine and end up with nice RB2 numbers.

 

But, I targeted Romo in all 3 leagues I play in. Big year coming up for him and am confident in top 4-5 QB numbers.

[Fantasy Fiend 38]

CBS 4 Denver's Vic Lombardi reports the Broncos are discussing a Montee Ball trade with the Cowboys.

Ball had a highly unimpressive preseason in Denver's zone-rushing attack, but the Cowboys have long been high on his ability and could put him into a rotation with underwhelming Joseph Randle, and injury-prone Darren McFadden. We suspect Ball wouldn't cost more than a seventh-round pick. 24 years old, Ball has a 4.2 yards per carry average with 29 catches through two NFL seasons. Sep 4 - 2:36 PM

Source: Vic Lombardi on Twitter

[Squintz82 45]

 

CBS 4 Denver's Vic Lombardi reports the Broncos are discussing a Montee Ball trade with the Cowboys.

Ball had a highly unimpressive preseason in Denver's zone-rushing attack, but the Cowboys have long been high on his ability and could put him into a rotation with underwhelming Joseph Randle, and injury-prone Darren McFadden. We suspect Ball wouldn't cost more than a seventh-round pick. 24 years old, Ball has a 4.2 yards per carry average with 29 catches through two NFL seasons. Sep 4 - 2:36 PM

Source: Vic Lombardi on Twitter

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/clarencehilljr/status/639874427434348544

 

Cowboys source said no on trade talks for montee ball. So there is that

[c.hammer 6]

So it could be 3 mediocre rb's in an rbbc? Woo

 

What a fantasy wasteland for that o-line

[Flgatorguy87 160]

I don't see him winning that job and it would seem to be a depth move at best.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

I just added Montee Ball and Terrance West (who posted a pic of himself at the airport on his Instagram page). These are no risk/possible high payoff moves IMO if Dallas ends up trading for/signing either one of them. If not then back to the FA list they go.

[Apollo Creed 9]

Onboard with McFAdden

[Squintz82 45]

So it could be 3 mediocre rb's in an rbbc? Woo

 

What a fantasy wasteland for that o-line

 

I just added Montee Ball and Terrance West (who posted a pic of himself at the airport on his Instagram page). These are no risk/possible high payoff moves IMO if Dallas ends up trading for/signing either one of them. If not then back to the FA list they go.

 

Cowboys have not stated that they have interest in Ball. Unless I've missed another update.

 

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/639870269843181568

[R8RMick 242]

 

Basing his future performance behind the league's best offensive line on his past YPC on a terrible team with a bad line and no passing or receiving threat. You see to know something no one else does.

 

Maybe he knows that when the Raiders fired McFragile halfway through the Bolts game in Week 11 the team went 3-4 down the stretch and his replacement averaged almost five and a half yards per carry? The team also had two 20-plus carry efforts in the run game which led to wins against two very tough defenses in Buffalo and Frisco.

 

McFragile has no future performance other than that of plumber. Maybe Ernie's can use some help.

[crazywhorse 6]

 

Basing his future performance behind the league's best offensive line on his past YPC on a terrible team with a bad line and no passing or receiving threat. You see to know something no one else does.

 

 

Some no name 6th round pick named Latavius Murray was able to avg 5.2 yards a carry last year under the same O Line. But wait... let's keep dreaming about McFadden's glory days.

[Gladiators 1,964]

 

 

Some no name 6th round pick named Latavius Murray was able to avg 5.2 yards a carry last year under the same O Line. But wait... let's keep dreaming about McFadden's glory days.

 

Not that this really matters, but included in that is a 90 yard run, which inflates that ypc with such a small sample size. I know that carry is legit and you can't just cherry pick certain games or plays to get to "real numbers", however, look at how L Murray did in the 2 games he carried 20+ times.

 

SF - 23 car / 76 yds / 0 tds / 3.3 ypc

BUF - 23 car / 86 yds / 0 tds / 3.7 ypc

 

I like L Murray and have him in 1 league, so I don't mean to downplay him. But your response makes it sound like L Murray had no problem behind that same line. The reality is that it's too early (too small of a sample size) to say that some 6th round draft pick can bust out 5.2 ypc without a problem.

 

McFadden is a pretty cheap shot to take. Getting him in the 7th or 8th as a RB 4 is worth it to me. I wouldn't be surprised if he only rushes for 400 yards this season, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he goes for 1,000+ if he becomes the man and stays healthy.

[R8RMick 242]

 

Not that this really matters, but included in that is a 90 yard run, which inflates that ypc with such a small sample size. I know that carry is legit and you can't just cherry pick certain games or plays to get to "real numbers", however, look at how L Murray did in the 2 games he carried 20+ times.

 

SF - 23 car / 76 yds / 0 tds / 3.3 ypc

BUF - 23 car / 86 yds / 0 tds / 3.7 ypc

 

I like L Murray and have him in 1 league, so I don't mean to downplay him. But your response makes it sound like L Murray had no problem behind that same line. The reality is that it's too early (too small of a sample size) to say that some 6th round draft pick can bust out 5.2 ypc without a problem.

 

McFadden is a pretty cheap shot to take. Getting him in the 7th or 8th as a RB 4 is worth it to me. I wouldn't be surprised if he only rushes for 400 yards this season, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he goes for 1,000+ if he becomes the man and stays healthy.

Thank you for posting that. The issue to remember is that Murray's YPC may have been inflated with that run (and BTW his 2 TDs in that half a game were the first two rushing TDs KC had given up all year) but even excluding it he still averages over 4 yds per carry.

 

But more importantly, the two games you referred to showed that Murray can move the chains and grind out the tough yards against top run defenses. He didn't break 100 yds rushing in either contest, but he allowed Oakland to control the clock and stay in the game, something McFragile had not done all season. What's more significant however is Derek Carr had two of his best games passing and the team collected two of its three victories. Counting the KC home game, the Raider running attack, Murray not McFadden, was directly responsible for all three wins.

 

Not getting glassy eyed, but it's a nice base to build on for this year and a great counter argument to the above comment.

[sirensong 111]

 

Not that this really matters, but included in that is a 90 yard run, which inflates that ypc with such a small sample size. I know that carry is legit and you can't just cherry pick certain games or plays to get to "real numbers", however, look at how L Murray did in the 2 games he carried 20+ times.

 

SF - 23 car / 76 yds / 0 tds / 3.3 ypc

BUF - 23 car / 86 yds / 0 tds / 3.7 ypc

 

 

 

proper statistical analysis does matter. randle averaged 6.7ypc behind the exact same line that demarco ran behind, but no one is saying that randle is a better back. regression to the mean is a real phenomenon, and people forget about it to their detriment.

[Gladiators 1,964]

I know. I should have worded that better. Should have said "Not that this is relevant to the topic at hand (Randle and McFadden), but..."

[R8RMick 242]

Looks like the Hawks just signed FJAX.

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/thomas-rawls?id=2552648

 

 

Nice looking kid lol... Makes the Underwear Guy seem like a boy scout.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Mcfadden will have some big games, and he will miss his share of games. Not sure how his ADP is now, but I got him dirt cheap at the end of my draft. Still has some talent and is playing behind an uber elite line. If they acquire him, Ball would interest me too. Randle has never done anything for me.

[Beyond Chaos 75]

Mcfadden will have some big games, and he will miss his share of games. Not sure how his ADP is now, but I got him dirt cheap at the end of my draft. Still has some talent and is playing behind an uber elite line. If they acquire him, Ball would interest me too. Randle has never done anything for me.

I agree. It's hard for me to put faith in a guy who makes a minimum of $200k/yr (probably much more) but does not have the intelligence to pay for underwear. I also seen he was recently in court again for some undisclosed reason. There's an old saying: "You can't fix stupid."

[NEWPOSTERGUY! 288]

- possibility one of the Seahawks duo (Turbin/Michael) wind up here?

 

seeing some chatter on that following the FJax going to Seattle news ...

 

crowded backfield in 'hagtown

what say ye gentlemen up in here now?

 

how many rbs will they carry? someone's gotta go, no?

[BobSanders_33 127]

Now it even more murky with C-Mike's signing. How many RBs will Dallas have active? I'd imagine that C-Mike takes 2-3 weeks to get some handle on the offense and will be inactive. After that point they will have Dunbar as the 3rd down back and then two other backs leaving one of C-Mike, Randle and DMC to the inactive list.

The trade for C-Mike was really low risk. You would have to think that Seattle doesn't think highly of him if they were will to send him to another NFC team. It is also a sign that Dallas still isn't settled on the offense. We shall see how this plays out.

[R8RMick 242]

There's tremendous upside here for the Boys if he pans out. Pass blocking and fumbles are biggest question marks.

[weepaws 3,158]

I know I'm very happy that I did not end up with any of them on any of my teams , even more so now .

[sirensong 111]

what say ye gentlemen up in here now?

 

how many rbs will they carry? someone's gotta go, no?

 

 

interesting. cut a DLman to clear the spot, but you're right--they're not going to carry 4 RBs/1 FB on the gameday roster. will take a couple of weeks to see how things are going to shape up, though. special teams is going to be highly relevant.

[Mike Nice 40]

C Mike will prob be cut

[SaintsInDome2006 421]

We don't know what will happen, to me this feels liek Denver last year, huge potential for picking the right number, but it's fluid.

 

I'm trying to deal Randle in one league, picked up Michael in another.

 

How are Randle owners handling this?

[tanatastic 2,062]

We don't know what will happen, to me this feels liek Denver last year, huge potential for picking the right number, but it's fluid.

 

I'm trying to deal Randle in one league, picked up Michael in another.

 

How are Randle owners handling this?

People who drafted randle in the 3rd or 4th are the know it all stubborn types so they won't listen to advice anyway. Same thing in every draft Iv seen. Some blustering blowhard takes him early blabbing about the offensive line and smiling like everyone else is a sucker.

[BufordT 429]

I'll probably get laughed out of this thread but....

 

is it possible the D Murray made this offensive line look better than it is? There's a chance this Oline is just average. In my mind, Murray was that good. He's been an awesome NFL RB since he got his first real chance Week 7 in 2011. If memory serves, the Oline was "struggling" the first 6 games of 2011 then magically the Oline started to play better. The running game is gonna take a hit this year. Maybe it's the fault of untalented RB's or maybe the Oline is just an average one.

 

Which brings me to Tony Romo. Rushing attack not as potent = more passing attempts = Romo doesn't make it through the season = Cowboys finish 8-8 or worse.

 

Full disclaimer: I'm a Cowboy/Pats fan but I'll root for my fantasy player even if they're playing against Dal/NE.

[R8RMick 242]

I'll probably get laughed out of this thread but....

 

is it possible the D Murray made this offensive line look better than it is? There's a chance this Oline is just average. In my mind, Murray was that good. He's been an awesome NFL RB since he got his first real chance Week 7 in 2011. If memory serves, the Oline was "struggling" the first 6 games of 2011 then magically the Oline started to play better. The running game is gonna take a hit this year. Maybe it's the fault of untalented RB's or maybe the Oline is just an average one.

 

Which brings me to Tony Romo. Rushing attack not as potent = more passing attempts = Romo doesn't make it through the season = Cowboys finish 8-8 or worse.

 

Full disclaimer: I'm a Cowboy/Pats fan but I'll root for my fantasy player even if they're playing against Dal/NE.

I'm a big Murray guy, but in my belief you're premise is not accurate. If anything it was a combination of the two producing Murray's monster season. I'll tell you one thing, as good as that line was last season it didn't have shite to do with Murray playing through a broken hand. Almost the same injury which sidelined even Emmitt.

 

I'm very intrigued by the Michael pickup. He's a physical beast at 220 lbs with a 4.43 forty. He did average almost five yards per carry in his limited work in Seattle. He looked fairly sharp this pre-season running behind a putrid offensive line.

 

Not sold on his injury history, and he's had issues in blitz pickup as well. And one would wonder how he couldn't beat out a Robert Turbin. But there's an upside here not present in the other Dallas backs. This could be a very big win for the Boys.

[TennisMenace 156]

I wonder why Cowboys needed to trade for Michael? It tells me they don't trust either McFadden or Randle over the long haul, despite being behind a great massive line.

 

I smell a three headed monster.

[SaintsInDome2006 421]

I'll probably get laughed out of this thread but....

 

is it possible the D Murray made this offensive line look better than it is? There's a chance this Oline is just average. In my mind, Murray was that good. He's been an awesome NFL RB since he got his first real chance Week 7 in 2011. If memory serves, the Oline was "struggling" the first 6 games of 2011 then magically the Oline started to play better. The running game is gonna take a hit this year. Maybe it's the fault of untalented RB's or maybe the Oline is just an average one.

 

Which brings me to Tony Romo. Rushing attack not as potent = more passing attempts = Romo doesn't make it through the season = Cowboys finish 8-8 or worse.

 

Full disclaimer: I'm a Cowboy/Pats fan but I'll root for my fantasy player even if they're playing against Dal/NE.

 

Actually I've been thinking the same thing. I've been asking but I think Linehan taking over as OC in full is the key here. Callahan is gone. I don't know that I can speak to the line or Callahan's impact, but I do know Linehan has a history of passing offenses and RBs who can catch the ball.

 

Now Linehan RBs in the past have been very effective and valuable, but the teams overall have not been ranked all that great in the run, while they have often been ranked very high in the pass.

[SaintsInDome2006 421]

I wonder why Cowboys needed to trade for Michael? It tells me they don't trust either McFadden or Randle over the long haul, despite being behind a great massive line.

 

I smell a three headed monster.

 

I'm speculating of course, but what it tells me is that they view McFadden as a change of pace back after all, catching passes, 3rd down, occasionally rotating in for Randle. I see Randle getting 2-1 or 3-2 carry share.

 

I think Randle will indeed get his chance to shine. If he does shine staring with SNF then he's off and running. If he stalls or has injury issues then Michael is there to step in. Initially at least I see Michael as the backup to Randle.

 

Bigger concern for me though is that they may consider Michael for goalline work.

[R8RMick 242]

 

Actually I've been thinking the same thing. I've been asking but I think Linehan taking over as OC in full is the key here. Callahan is gone. I don't know that I can speak to the line or Callahan's impact, but I do know Linehan has a history of passing offenses and RBs who can catch the ball.

 

Now Linehan RBs in the past have been very effective and valuable, but the teams overall have not been ranked all that great in the run, while they have often been ranked very high in the pass.

I think after years of mediocrity, of which 8-8 seasons are made, Dallas has discovered a successful formula for this team. That formula is predicated on running the football. They may not pound it like they did in 2014, but the running game will be a large part of what they do.

 

IF they have the backs.