Major Attack on Vegas Strip, 58 dead, 500 wounded

[parrot 789]

Do you know what a semi-auto is?

 

It's any gun where you can pull the trigger and it reloads itself for automatic firing. All that distinguishes it from full auto is the need to pull the trigger on each individual discharge.

 

That covers most guns.

I know exactly what a semi-auto is and they don't include single-shots, over-unders, side-by-sides, bolt-actions, lever-actions, pump-actions, or revolvers. Those constitute a large number of guns out there. I own 8 guns and exactly 1 of them is a semi-auto.

[edjr 5,567]

Dumb liberal argument. Seriously grenades and rocket launchers?

 

Think for a second

 

If a rocket launcher was as easy to get as a automatic weapon.

 

How many thousands die yesterday?

[GobbleDog 816]

Dumb liberal argument. Seriously grenades and rocket launchers?

What's wrong with owning grenades and rocket launchers? The responsible owners wouldn't hurt anyone.?.

[fricker66 91]

 

He was known to local authorities. I am guessing mental illness.

Pretty sure that the "known to local authorities" aspect of this was fake news. He was a 64-year-old who lived in a retirement community 80 miles away. He liked to go to the casinos to gamble. He owned and managed apartment buildings, where he made his money. He was a licensed pilot and owned 2 planes, so he is not poor. His family have been quoted and have said nothing of mental illness.

[edjr 5,567]

What's wrong with owning grenades and rocket launchers? The responsible owners wouldn't hurt anyone.?.

Think how much easier hunting would be.

[iam90sbaby 2,125]

What's wrong with owning grenades and rocket launchers? The responsible owners wouldn't hurt anyone.?.

I love how you actually think you are making a good arguement but all you are doing is taking this out to left field.

 

You already know the answer, stop it.

[peenie 1,690]

My mom said that 2 people were yelling that the concert goers were all about to be killed prior to the gunman actually shooting. Was that discussed here already?

[mobb_deep 917]

Think for a second

 

If a rocket launcher was as easy to get as a automatic weapon.

 

How many thousands die yesterday?

You can make a bomb with household ingredients.

[MDC 5,893]

 

Pretty sure that the "known to local authorities" aspect of this was fake news. He was a 64-year-old who lived in a retirement community 80 miles away. He liked to go to the casinos to gamble. He owned apartment buildings in Florida, where he made his money. He was a licensed pilot and owned 2 planes, so he is not poor. His family have been quoted and have said nothing of mental illness.

Huh. Well, I really don't know then. He doesn't appear to have formal ties to terrorism but I suppose we will learn more in the next few days. I'll be interested to learn where he got his weapons too.

[edjr 5,567]

You can make a bomb with household ingredients.

 

can you also shoot it from the 32 floor of a building?

 

get it into a concert with 40,000 people?

 

Can make a paper airplane too

[cbfalcon 824]

 

What's wrong with owning grenades and rocket launchers? The responsible owners wouldn't hurt anyone.?.

 

 

If the people at the concert had had rocket launchers, several of them could have fired rockets at that 32nd floor window....and saved many lives in the process.

[edjr 5,567]

 

If the people at the concert had had rocket launchers, several of them could have fired rockets at that 32nd floor window....and saved many lives in the process.

This is correct.

 

I've played COD, not a tough pivot to make

[mobb_deep 917]

can you also shoot it from the 32 floor of a building?

 

get it into a concert with 40,000 people?

 

Can make a paper airplane too

Yah. You fly them in on drones, or fill van and drive through the gate. ISIS does it all the time.

 

http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/The-more-you-know.png

[fricker66 91]

My mom said that 2 people were yelling that the concert goers were all about to be killed prior to the gunman actually shooting. Was that discussed here already?

There were also reports that he authorities had characterized him as a "lone wolf", which would suggest the 2 people story is fake or was misreported.

[giraldi02 470]

 

Pretty sure that the "known to local authorities" aspect of this was fake news. He was a 64-year-old who lived in a retirement community 80 miles away. He liked to go to the casinos to gamble. He owned apartment buildings in Florida, where he made his money. He was a licensed pilot and owned 2 planes, so he is not poor. His family have been quoted and have said nothing of mental illness.

He shot up 500+ people. I don't think we need a PhD to figure out he was mentally ill.

 

I also refuse to believe that someone capable of performing an act like this just snapped one day. You have to have a lot of rage in your body to pull off something like this. Somewhere, that had to have showed...even a little bit...in his daily life.

 

Having said that, I also think that the media needs to stop rushing out to these people's family members within 12 hours of an event like this taking place. First and foremost, I don't give a sh!t about hearing defense of this animal. Second though, it puts these people in an unbelievably difficult position so soon afterwards. The last thing I'd want to do if my brother went postal is have microphones plastered in my face asking me how and why he did it.

[fricker66 91]

He shot up 500+ people. I don't think we need a PhD to figure out he was mentally ill.

 

I also refuse to believe that someone capable of performing an act like this just snapped one day. You have to have a lot of rage in your body to pull off something like this. Somewhere, that had to have showed...even a little bit...in his daily life.

I would agree that he had to be planning this for some time, but sometimes folks can mask mental illness very effectively. It sounds like his brothers didn't have much interaction with him, so I would not be surprised if neither of them had a hint about this. I only talk to my sister a few times per year, and we do not get to a level where I could evaluate her mental condition, so I am taking it from that perspective. It will be interesting to hear what the "roommate" and others in the retirement community have to say (if we ever find out) since they were around him.

[Strike 3,979]

I wonder if he had CTE.

[IMMensaMind 459]

I know exactly what a semi-auto is and they don't include single-shots, over-unders, side-by-sides, bolt-actions, lever-actions, pump-actions, or revolvers. Those constitute a large number of guns out there. I own 8 guns and exactly 1 of them is a semi-auto.

My statement is derived from the fact that most guns sold since 1977 are semi-auto. Did you find my statement odd?

[giraldi02 470]

I would agree that he had to be planning this for some time, but sometimes folks can mask mental illness very effectively. It sounds like his brothers didn't have much interaction with him, so I would not be surprised if neither of them had a hint about this. I only talk to my sister a few times per year, and we do not get to a level where I could evaluate her mental condition, so I am taking it from that perspective. It will be interesting to hear what the "roommate" and others in the retirement community have to say (if we ever find out) since they were around him.

If nothing else, I wish these types of incidents would also result in people having discussions with one another, particularly family, about their mental health.

 

Nowadays, so many people are so enraged at trivial disinformation they read/hear/see and make irrational judgments. An example on this message board was Newbie. I get no liking Trump. I get not liking certain politicians of a different party. But that dude would literally post stuff condoning, and calling for, physical harm towards people. He's not alone either. The toxicity in the comment sections of articles now is over the top, and it's from both sides. Insults and blame have replaced civility and logical discourse.

 

I wonder if the increased autonomy we all take for granted has contributed, even in a small manner, towards the increase in these animals.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Think how much easier hunting would be.

Not just hunting: processing! You'd already have bite-sized pieces!

[parrot 789]

My statement is derived from the fact that most guns sold since 1977 are semi-auto. Did you find my statement odd?

I found your statement completely false, as anyone who knows anything about guns knows. What 1977 has to do with anything I don't have a clue.

[giraldi02 470]

I wonder if he had CTE.

Or PTSD

[IMMensaMind 459]

I found your statement completely false, as anyone who knows anything about guns knows. What 1977 has to do with anything I don't have a clue.

No need to get clueless.

 

If most guns sold since 1977 are semi-auto, semi-auto guns comprise the majority of guns on the street.

 

If it makes you happy, though, I'll amend my general statement for specificity: nearly every gun that would be considered a threat on the street is a semi-automatic.

 

Happy now? I can include a typo in some of my posts to tide you over if you wish.

[IGotWorms 3,315]

Have we figured out who to blame yet? I don't know how I'm supposed to react until I figure out whether this is the right's fault or the left's fault or the blacks or Muslims or what. TIA

[IMMensaMind 459]

The interview with his brother shows a guy who is gobsmacked by this.

 

I wonder something.

 

How easy is it to create this entire story out of ether? To 'lose' a scapegoat; to create this destruction. Is a Government fully willing to hide corruption also completely capable of pulling off a horrific act like this to sway public opinion for a very specific strategic purpose?

 

I think this possibility also has to be considered. I don't think that Occam's Razor would be offended.

[IMMensaMind 459]

You people bicker too much.

...he says while being totally agreeable.

 

[GobbleDog 816]

I love how you actually think you are making a good arguement but all you are doing is taking this out to left field.

 

You already know the answer, stop it.

I don't understand the disconnect. People shouldn't have grenades and rocket launchers because of the potential carnage. But the carnage from guns is acceptable? That's ridiculous.

 

What drives me insane about gun-right folks is the total lack of critical thinking. If hypothetically, gun violence rates were a fraction of what they are, I'd probably agree with gun rights. But if hypothetically gun violence rates were 10 times higher, gun-right folks wouldn't care. No amount of carnage is too much. There's no debating with people who "think" like that.

[fricker66 91]

 

Nowadays, so many people are so enraged at trivial disinformation they read/hear/see and make irrational judgments. An example on this message board was Newbie. I get no liking Trump. I get not liking certain politicians of a different party. But that dude would literally post stuff condoning, and calling for, physical harm towards people. He's not alone either. The toxicity in the comment sections of articles now is over the top, and it's from both sides. Insults and blame have replaced civility and logical discourse.

 

 

I don't come here that often any more, but I know what you're saying. This board is a microcosm of the hate-spewing that goes on in the streets, and is exacerbated by social media and message board/comments section trolls.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Funny that we are such a dumb country that many peoples solution and response to this event will be to buy a gun for protection. Hey hunnie just got this new BLAM! Oh no it was an accident! Im so sorry! Damn it Obama, you caused this!. Focking dumbasses.

[IGotWorms 3,315]

The interview with his brother shows a guy who is gobsmacked by this.

 

I wonder something.

 

How easy is it to create this entire story out of ether? To 'lose' a scapegoat; to create this destruction. Is a Government fully willing to hide corruption also completely capable of pulling off a horrific act like this to sway public opinion for a very specific strategic purpose?

 

I think this possibility also has to be considered. I don't think that Occam's Razor would be offended.

Here come the Sandy Hook Was A Hoax!!! loons.

 

Always my favorite

[IMMensaMind 459]

Funny that we are such a dumb country that many peoples solution and response to this event will be to buy a gun for protection. Hey hunnie just got this new BLAM! Oh no it was an accident! Im so sorry! Damn it Obama, you caused this!. Focking dumbasses.

I hear you.

 

Some people make arguments that they think are sound, even though they're based in one out of a million events.

[parrot 789]

No need to get clueless.

 

If most guns sold since 1977 are semi-auto, semi-auto guns comprise the majority of guns on the street.

Lol. Say something ridiculously false, get called on it, throw in a bunch of qualifications that might make it kinda sorta true but were in no way indicated in the original claim, provide no proof that your claim is true even with your embellishments, then call someone clueless because they called you on it in the first place. You haven't lost your touch.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Here come the Sandy Hook Was A Hoax!!! loons.

 

Always my favorite

I don't believe I said that, so let's get you on record:

 

It is possible for an agenda-driven entity to contrive this event?

[tanatastic 2,061]

Here come the Sandy Hook Was A Hoax!!! loons.

 

Always my favorite

Well theres video of the Vegas shooting, I know people who know people who are now dead from it. It was tangibly real.

 

Sandy hoax on the other hand has a mountain of evidence that doesnt add up, no blood, no bodies, pics of the kids alive and well after the incident, blatant crisis actor parents, so I donno what to say.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Lol. Say something ridiculously false, get called on it, throw in a bunch of qualifications that might make it kinda sorta true but were in no way indicated in the original claim, provide no proof that your claim is true even with your embellishments, then call someone clueless because they called you on it in the first place. You haven't lost your touch.

Nor you yours.

 

Didja see that inner city shooting in Detroit that happened last week? Yeah. Some thug pulled out his flintlock and offed someone who dissed him.

[Strike 3,979]

 

I don't understand the disconnect. People shouldn't have grenades and rocket launchers because of the potential carnage. But the carnage from guns is acceptable? That's ridiculous.

 

What drives me insane about gun-right folks is the total lack of critical thinking. If hypothetically, gun violence rates were a fraction of what they are, I'd probably agree with gun rights. But if hypothetically gun violence rates were 10 times higher, gun-right folks wouldn't care. No amount of carnage is too much. There's no debating with people who "think" like that.

 

 

What is indicative of a lack of critical thinking is someone who would make the above argument despite the FACT that gun violence, and violent crime in general, is way down.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/?utm_term=.23f051bfe031

[tanatastic 2,061]

I don't believe I said that, so let's get you on record:

 

It is possible for an agenda-driven entity to contrive this event?

No. There is tangible proof that it happened. Just like there is proof giraffes and tigers exist. Just like we can prove the hurricane happened awhile ago.

[IMMensaMind 459]

  

 

What is indicative of a lack of critical thinking is someone who would make the above argument despite the FACT that gun violence, and violent crime in general, is way down.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/?utm_term=.23f051bfe031

But the narrative is up, so - ya know - it's more 'realz'.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,657]

Well theres video of the Vegas shooting, I know people who know people who are now dead from it. It was tangibly real.

 

Sandy hoax on the other hand has a mountain of evidence that doesnt add up, no blood, no bodies, pics of the kids alive and well after the incident, blatant crisis actor parents, so I donno what to say.

Scumbag

[parrot 789]

Nor you yours.

 

Didja see that inner city shooting in Detroit that happened last week? Yeah. Some thug pulled out his flintlock and offed someone who dissed him.

Hey, that's a nice new horse you got there!