Dallas Cowboys 2018 & Beyond

[Big Guy 1,414]

 

[kutulu 1,681]

Ooofff!

[kilroy69 1,252]

No way I pay Dak. He is replacement level. If Dak and Ryan Fitzpatrick switched places their numbers would be the same on their respective teams.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

8 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

No way I pay Dak. He is replacement level. If Dak and Ryan Fitzpatrick switched places their numbers would be the same on their respective teams.

My opinion of Dak really changed for the better this season. Mainly because he changed. He is the leader now. The girls would be fools to get rid of him.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Dak made huge strides this year - the jump was almost freakish..... Going unsaid is the impact of Jon Kitna as QB coach - what a difference he's made.

Dak's footwork has jumped leaps and bounds. Also, he now throws tight spirals like never before... Yes he will misses wide ass open guys - but he's also been playing with a busted shoulder the past few weeks.

I was as hard as anyone on Dak early on - I've come around. You can win with Dak - it's the Zeke contract that's going to to kill this team, not his.

[kilroy69 1,252]

Again.

Dak was 30/11 for 4900 yards and is expected to ask for a record contract on 'AMERICAS TEAM" surrounded by weapons. 

 

Ryan Fitzpatrick was 20/13 for 3500 yards and costs 5.5 mil surrounded by Parker and practice squad players on any other team.

Switch teams and they are the same qb except pay expectations. 

Dak has a QBR of 70 and Fitz has one of 66 this year. 

The cowgirls would be better off moving on from dak and going for a rookie and fitzpatrick which would cost like 60 million for 2 years of fitz and 5 of the rookie. 

[MDC 7,499]

19 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

Dak made huge strides this year - the jump was almost freakish..... Going unsaid is the impact of Jon Kitna as QB coach - what a difference he's made.

Dak's footwork has jumped leaps and bounds. Also, he now throws tight spirals like never before... Yes he will misses wide ass open guys - but he's also been playing with a busted shoulder the past few weeks.

I was as hard as anyone on Dak early on - I've come around. You can win with Dak - it's the Zeke contract that's going to to kill this team, not his.

You’re correct. Cowboys are going to regret not extending Dak sooner and letting Wentz and Goff set the market.

[sderk 1,040]

Did the Cowboys play this year? I must have missed it.

[vuduchile 1,945]

13 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

No way I pay Dak. He is replacement level. If Dak and Ryan Fitzpatrick switched places their numbers would be the same on their respective teams.

I would be interested to see what Fitz could do with a solid supporting cast.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

3 minutes ago, sderk said:

Did the Cowboys play this year? I must have missed it.

Bear fans are funny

[vuduchile 1,945]

2 hours ago, Cruzer said:

Dak made huge strides this year - the jump was almost freakish..... Going unsaid is the impact of Jon Kitna as QB coach - what a difference he's made.

Dak's footwork has jumped leaps and bounds. Also, he now throws tight spirals like never before... Yes he will misses wide ass open guys - but he's also been playing with a busted shoulder the past few weeks.

I was as hard as anyone on Dak early on - I've come around. You can win with Dak - it's the Zeke contract that's going to to kill this team, not his.

Not sold on Dak.  He's way too inconsistent and only puts up numbers against crap teams.  He choked in clutch time more often that not this year.  

It's too bad they can't swing a deal and land the kid from LSU.  He might actually be worth a zillion dollar contract.  

 

[vuduchile 1,945]

2 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

Again.

Dak was 30/11 for 4900 yards and is expected to ask for a record contract on 'AMERICAS TEAM" surrounded by weapons. 

 

Ryan Fitzpatrick was 20/13 for 3500 yards and costs 5.5 mil surrounded by Parker and practice squad players on any other team.

Switch teams and they are the same qb except pay expectations. 

Dak has a QBR of 70 and Fitz has one of 66 this year. 

The cowgirls would be better off moving on from dak and going for a rookie and fitzpatrick which would cost like 60 million for 2 years of fitz and 5 of the rookie. 

I'd consider Bridgwater as a FA as well.  

[kilroy69 1,252]

1 minute ago, vuduchile said:

I'd consider Bridgwater as a FA as well.  

Yep. I agree . Dalton could even do well and not break the bank. Plus he's from Texas. 

[Cruzer 1,995]

1 hour ago, vuduchile said:

I'd consider Bridgwater as a FA as well.  

For the money, I'd jump all over Teddy instad of Dak - in a heartbeat.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

As a Giants fan who hopes to be competitive in a couple of years, I fully endorse the Cowboys not signing Dak. I'll pack his bags if you want. 

[Cruzer 1,995]

1 hour ago, vuduchile said:

Not sold on Dak.  He's way too inconsistent and only puts up numbers against crap teams.  He choked in clutch time more often that not this year.  

It's too bad they can't swing a deal and land the kid from LSU.  He might actually be worth a zillion dollar contract.  

 

Dak has a busted shoulder - has not practiced or thrown balls for weeks.

Yes at times he sucked - at times he reverted back to old self, missing wide open guys, fumbling, not recognizing defenses............ but he was also really good at times....... And it wasn't just bad teams he lit up. He went for 463 against GB, 397 against MINN, 355 against BUF... and keep in mind, this DAL team was 4th in the league in dropped passes - only 3 teams dropped more balls than his.

I used to say this about Romo: Montana had Walsh, Young had Sheifert, Eli had Coughlin, Staubach had Landry, Brady has Belichick............. Dak has/had Garrett. 

Now I'm not saying Dak is one of the best 5 Qb's in the game - nor am I saying he's elite.. But he's turned into a solid QB, a Qb who's earned the chance to play for a real coach. And whether we like it or not, $35m is about the going rate, market value for Qbs now - that's what it's going to take. And given where we're picking, given what Jerry is prolly unwilling to give up - we're not likely to find another Qb anytime soon in the draft.

That being said, if Teddy is out there, and will sign for $15M? Hell yea I"m interested - but good luck getting that deal after what he showed earlier this year.

 

[kilroy69 1,252]

I have said this before and I'll say it again. We're heading to a time when teams are gonna draft QBs every 2 years like clockwork

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2 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I have said this before and I'll say it again. We're heading to a time when teams are gonna draft QBs every 2 years like clockwork

What if you have a stud?

[kilroy69 1,252]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

What if you have a stud?

That's gonna be the only time you keep them. Literally. Any other time there's gonna be a qb on your heels as your learning the system. 

[kilroy69 1,252]

With the qb taking up so much of the salary cap it's gonna have to be that way. 

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Just now, kilroy69 said:

With the qb taking up so much of the salary cap it's gonna have to be that way. 

If I were the owners I'd make it part of the negotiations for the next CBA.  Make a provision that says a single player can't take up more than say, 10% of the team's cap.  The cap is 188 million this year so that would limit any player from making more than 19 mil.  It would pass because there is only one high paid QB on each team and all the other positions would benefit from the rule and therefore vote for it.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

6 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

With the qb taking up so much of the salary cap it's gonna have to be that way. 

I wish they would make the following rule changes... 

 

1. Each team can designate one player who's salary then only counts against the cap at a certain percentage. Like say, 60%.

2. The team who originally drafted a player can offer a FA contract to said player and get a discount vs. The cap. Say if the Titans and another team both offer Henry $15 mil per, only say $12 mil counts against the Titans, full boat for the other team. Thus would allow teams to keep more of their own talent.

ETA: once they leave this goes away. For example, Miami wouldn't get a discount on Tannehill if they tried to resig him this year.

3. Something needs to be done about running back contracts. Not sure of the answer there. 

[DonS 3,292]

7 hours ago, Cruzer said:

Dak has a busted shoulder - has not practiced or thrown balls for weeks.

Yes at times he sucked - at times he reverted back to old self, missing wide open guys, fumbling, not recognizing defenses............ but he was also really good at times....... And it wasn't just bad teams he lit up. He went for 463 against GB, 397 against MINN, 355 against BUF... and keep in mind, this DAL team was 4th in the league in dropped passes - only 3 teams dropped more balls than his.

I used to say this about Romo: Montana had Walsh, Young had Sheifert, Eli had Coughlin, Staubach had Landry, Brady has Belichick............. Dak has/had Garrett. 

Now I'm not saying Dak is one of the best 5 Qb's in the game - nor am I saying he's elite.. But he's turned into a solid QB, a Qb who's earned the chance to play for a real coach. And whether we like it or not, $35m is about the going rate, market value for Qbs now - that's what it's going to take. And given where we're picking, given what Jerry is prolly unwilling to give up - we're not likely to find another Qb anytime soon in the draft.

That being said, if Teddy is out there, and will sign for $15M? Hell yea I"m interested - but good luck getting that deal after what he showed earlier this year.

 

Dak "lit up" Buffalo?  Guess I must've been hallucinating from too much turkey on Thanksgiving. 

[Kopy 572]

Would they ever have one player exempt from the salary cap? 

Do away with the franchise tag that everyone hates. And have a team designated "Franchise Player". Your franchise player (most likely your QB) wouldn't count towards the cap. If a good QB wants 30-40 million, or a crappy QB wants 15-20 million a year, who cares. At least now your hands won't be tied if your face of the franchise sucks. Heck, even if he's good you've severely limited your spending options.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

12 minutes ago, Kopy said:

Would they ever have one player exempt from the salary cap? 

Do away with the franchise tag that everyone hates. And have a team designated "Franchise Player". Your franchise player (most likely your QB) wouldn't count towards the cap. If a good QB wants 30-40 million, or a crappy QB wants 15-20 million a year, who cares. At least now your hands won't be tied if your face of the franchise sucks. Heck, even if he's good you've severely limited your spending options.

Thats what I think they should do. If you have a QB on a rookie deal, you can use it on another player. Most teams would use it on their qb. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

9 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

I wish they would make the following rule changes... 

 

1. Each team can designate one player who's salary then only counts against the cap at a certain percentage. Like say, 60%.

2. The team who originally drafted a player can offer a FA contract to said player and get a discount vs. The cap. Say if the Titans and another team both offer Henry $15 mil per, only say $12 mil counts against the Titans, full boat for the other team. Thus would allow teams to keep more of their own talent.

ETA: once they leave this goes away. For example, Miami wouldn't get a discount on Tannehill if they tried to resig him this year.

3. Something needs to be done about running back contracts. Not sure of the answer there. 

Also a giant one, IMO. Players on injured reserve entering the season DO NOT count against the cap. This kills teams and ruins the competitive balance of the league. Everyone from players to owners should be 1000% behind this.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

1 hour ago, Kopy said:

Would they ever have one player exempt from the salary cap? 

Do away with the franchise tag that everyone hates. And have a team designated "Franchise Player". Your franchise player (most likely your QB) wouldn't count towards the cap. If a good QB wants 30-40 million, or a crappy QB wants 15-20 million a year, who cares. At least now your hands won't be tied if your face of the franchise sucks. Heck, even if he's good you've severely limited your spending options.

I like the NFL's hard cap.  The soft caps that they have in basketball allow for players to dictate where they go and it really isn't good for the game.  The exceptions in the NBA are stupid as well.  

What I think you will see happen (and very soon) is that a player will be signing for a % of cap space instead of a hard dollar amount.  The player will continue to bet on the cap going up (which it has been doing at a clip of about 10% annually) and the team has some sort of control over a single player taking up too much of their cap.  

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

36 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Also a giant one, IMO. Players on injured reserve entering the season DO NOT count against the cap. This kills teams and ruins the competitive balance of the league. Everyone from players to owners should be 1000% behind this.

The rules about bringing players back from IR are stupid too. Should be more flexible. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

9 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

The rules about bringing players back from IR are stupid too. Should be more flexible. 

The NFLPA is with out a doubt the worst union in sports.  So bad for the players as to be almost anti-player. 

[Cruzer 1,995]

The end of the season meeting between Garrett/Jones boys has come and gone - with nothing coming from it.

Red is technically still under contract for 14 more days or so..... Looks like Jerry is going to let that run out, then let Garrett ride off into the sunset, w/out the stain of being officially fired.

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6 hours ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

I like the NFL's hard cap.  The soft caps that they have in basketball allow for players to dictate where they go and it really isn't good for the game.  The exceptions in the NBA are stupid as well.  

What I think you will see happen (and very soon) is that a player will be signing for a % of cap space instead of a hard dollar amount.  The player will continue to bet on the cap going up (which it has been doing at a clip of about 10% annually) and the team has some sort of control over a single player taking up too much of their cap.  

I posted a variation of this earlier:

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If I were the owners I'd make it part of the negotiations for the next CBA.  Make a provision that says a single player can't take up more than say, 10% of the team's cap.  The cap is 188 million this year so that would limit any player from making more than 19 mil.  It would pass because there is only one high paid QB on each team and all the other positions would benefit from the rule and therefore vote for it.

Something like this seems like the obvious way to go, and should be agreeable to both sides. 

[lickin_starfish 1,942]

This thread is going off the rails.

The topic is the Dallas Cowboys, and how they haven't done schit in 24 years.

[tubby_mcgee 701]

16 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

This thread is going off the rails.

The topic is the Dallas Cowboys, and how they haven't done schit in 24 years.

 

And THAT is why they are America's Team.  People simply can't stay away.  Enamored. Infatuated.  The fans, the haters, the neutrals, the media.  All sucked in by the Dallas Cowboys.

Look at Stephen A Smith.  Did an entire segment after they didn't make the playoffs, had a "present" in a box (ended up being empty) for Cowboys fans.  20 teams didn't make the playoffs.  Yet, Stephen Smith couldn't stay away.  Had to do an entire segment on one of the 20 teams that didn't make the playoffs. 

Dallas Cowboys = Ratings. 

Dallas Cowboys = water cooler talk.

Firmly locked in as America's Team.   This will never change. 

 

And lots of teams haven't done schit in 24 years.  Yet, the Dallas Cowboys have  a topic, with 25+ pages of responses. 

  America's Team.   

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44 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

This thread is going off the rails.

The topic is the Dallas Cowboys, and how they haven't done schit in 24 years.

And the fact that Jerry still hasn't fired Garrett. 

[Big Guy 1,414]

1 hour ago, lickin_starfish said:

This thread is going off the rails.

The topic is the Dallas Cowboys, and how they haven't done schit in 24 years.

WRONG!!

The Topic is "Dallas Cowboys 2018 & Beyond" 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

Beyond isn't off to a great start. Just sayin. 

[Big Guy 1,414]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Beyond isn't off to a great start. Just sayin. 

it was when I started it last year........maybe you should do your homework

just sayin'

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

1 minute ago, Big Guy said:

it was when I started it last year........maybe you should do your homework

just sayin'

Well, beyond has arrived. Maybe you should just leave it at 2018. 

[MDC 7,499]

Cowboy fans are so arrogant. “Still America’s team!!!” Dallas has as much national cache as the Redskins to anyone under the age of 50.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Cowboy fans are so arrogant. “Still America’s team!!!” Dallas has as much national cache as the Redskins to anyone under the age of 50.

Looks like this guy never goes out to a sports bar. Or has ever been to Dallas and met people from all over the country in for the game. Housebound troll.