drobeski 3,061 Posted January 27, 2020 50 minutes ago, FeelingMN said: Agree with the bolded part 100%. Certain posters? Who? I'm not stating what is alleged is fact. That would be contradictory. The fact is that Bolton can allegedly blow the defense's argument to shreds. It remains alleged because we haven't actually heard anything from him yet, and probably won't because Trump is worried he'll open up about what Trump thinks about some Italian leader or something. Regardless of the politics being played, and what side of the aisle you're on, you should be in favor of getting to the bottom of the issue. Right? Clinton testified. So there's precedent that a President testify during an impeachment trial....if you really wanted to get to the bottom of the issue. Yes as long as the bottom of the issue includes how the whole process began. Meaning, who's the whistleblower, who did he meet with. Who has he worked for ? What's is his relationship with other witnesses ? When did he meet schiffs staff. What emails communications and documents are there related to this set up. I agree, let's get to the bottom of it. ALL OF IT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,569 Posted January 27, 2020 59 minutes ago, FeelingMN said: Agree with the bolded part 100%. Certain posters? Who? I'm not stating what is alleged is fact. That would be contradictory. The fact is that Bolton can allegedly blow the defense's argument to shreds. It remains alleged because we haven't actually heard anything from him yet, and probably won't because Trump is worried he'll open up about what Trump thinks about some Italian leader or something. Regardless of the politics being played, and what side of the aisle you're on, you should be in favor of getting to the bottom of the issue. Right? Clinton testified. So there's precedent that a President testify during an impeachment trial....if you really wanted to get to the bottom of the issue. honestly, havent you learned by now? and again, you havent watched the video I posted, I dont know how you can watch that as a normal person, and think any other way, other than this whole thing is BS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted January 27, 2020 January 27, 2020 The Deep State Tapestry of Deceit is Beginning to Unravel By Brian C. Joondeph Deep state players in the Obama administration wove an elaborate tapestry of collusion, subterfuge, and electoral chicanery. While better suited for a Robert Ludlum novel, it played out in real time over the past four years. Stars of the drama include familiar names such as James Comey, James Clapper, John Brennan, and Andrew McCabe. Supporting actors played an unwitting role, namely Carter Page and George Papadopoulos. The victim was then candidate Donald Trump. Heroes of the saga include Attorney General William Barr, U.S. Attorney John Durham, and a mysterious group simply called Q. The plot was simple. The Obama administration, in 2016 and before, wanted to preordain the 2016 electoral outcome. What better way to do this than to spy on the rival presidential campaign? Since spying is illegal, a pretense was needed. That’s where the Steele Dossier came in. The DNC, the Hillary Clinton campaign, and top Obama administration officials colluded with multiple foreign governments to fabricate opposition research on the Trump campaign alleging treasonous activities. This allowed the FBI to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on Trump campaign advisor Carter Page, and likely others as well. The Obama administration colluded with foreign governments to influence an election. How ironic that this is exactly what President Trump was impeached for, and why he is a “dictator” and an “existential threat to democracy”. Can you say projection? Image credit: YouTube screen grab The FISA court granted a Title 1 FISA warrant against Page, reserved for those accused of being “an agent of a foreign power,” one who is “knowingly engaging in clandestine intelligence activities.” Yet Page was never arrested or indicted for his activities. The reality is that he was a CIA asset “engaged in clandestine intelligence activities” not for Russia, but for America, and this minor bit of information was deliberately omitted from his FISA warrant application and three renewals. The Barr DOJ has been pulling hard enough on this thread that after four years of FBI deceit and abuse of power, the Trump Russia collusion tapestry is unraveling before our very eyes. Like a game of Jenga, where blocks are slowly pulled out without collapsing the entire structure, the latest DOJ revelation is the “keystone” which held the entire charade together. As the Daily Wire reported last week, “DOJ Rules Comey’s FBI Had ‘Insufficient Predication To Establish Probable Cause’ In FISA Scandal.” The Department of Justice says that the FBI under disgraced former Director James Comey should have discontinued its secret surveillance on a member of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election because it had “insufficient predication to establish probable cause.” As Reuters reporter Brad Heath tweeted: This is a big deal. The Justice Department is conceding that two of the four FISA applications it used to conduct surveillance of former Trump campaign aide Carter Page were not lawful, and it’s not defending the legality of its other two applications. What if the other two of four applications were equally bogus? As the FISA warrant applications were based on the fabricated Steele Dossier, and as the Inspector General discovered 17 specific “inaccuracies and omissions” in the warrant applications, it’s highly probable that the entire effort to spy on Carter Page, and through the “two-hop rule”, everyone in President Trump’s orbit, was a gross and deliberate abuse of power. Aside from the illegality of deceiving the FISA court, and the seditious efforts to remove a duly elected American president, it blows up all downstream Democrat, media, and deep state efforts to overturn the 2016 election. There is a legal doctrine called the “fruit of the poisonous tree.” To summarize: A doctrine that extends the exclusionary rule to make evidence inadmissible in court if it was derived from evidence that was illegally obtained. As the metaphor suggests, if the evidential "tree" is tainted, so is its "fruit." What fruit did this poisonous tree bear? Read through dossier and see some familiar names and convictions. As World Net Daily reported: Axios noted the convictions include former Trump 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort, former Trump attorney Michael Cohen, former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, Richard Pineda, Dutch attorney Alex van der Zwaan, former Trump campaign deputy chairman Rick Gates, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and Roger Stone. They all face legal jeopardy or prison due to the Weissman and Mueller cabal, all fruit of the poisonous tree. No dossier, no special counsel, no Mueller, no witchhunt, and no years of fallout and indictments. Time and money wasted. The accused losing their savings, reputations, and freedom over poisonous accusations. A presidency carrying an albatross of suspected treason. The entire tree from which Democrats, the media, and NeverTrumpers having been harvesting fruit turns out to be a poisonous tree. The fruit is poisonous and those who ate the fruit are now ill. Is it any wonder President Trump, in interviews and at rallies, repeats the phrase, “These people are sick”? Are they sick as in deranged or sick from eating from the poisonous tree? Lastly is the issue of intent. As the tapestry unravels, expect to see the guilty plead ignorance, that they were duped, and point their fingers at their coconspirators. What is more likely is that they had full knowledge of what they were doing. This includes Congressional Democrats and the media, all knowingly perpetuating a falsehood, conspiring to undermine and overthrow a duly elected president. A few months ago, the enigmatic Q brought up the term “knowingly”. Did those involved “know” their tree was poisonous, yielding poisonous fruit? As the tapestry unravels, this may be the next big reveal. What does “18 U.S. Code § 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government” say about “knowingly”? Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises… of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States. Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government. Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence. Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. This is gross and deliberate abuse of power, a coup to undermine and remove a duly elected president. All done with intent, knowingly. The fallout is far and wide and all as bogus as the predication of this entire hoax. Yet the media and their Democrat allies are upset over Trump doing his job investigating corruption, and exercising his prerogative to remove ambassadors, just as Obama did before he even assumed office. This is what Barr and Durham are investigating, pulling on the thread, unraveling the elaborately constructed tapestry, revealing a group of hateful partisans engaged in a seditious conspiracy to overturn a legitimate government. Hopefully their reckoning awaits. Along with well-deserved pain. Brian C. Joondeph, MD, is a Denver-based physician and freelance writer whose pieces have appeared in American Thinker, inning to Unravel Schiff Hides Transcript to Protect 'Whistleblower' What caused the Australian fires? Global warming? Obstruction of fire What's Bolton up to with that new move to play Schiff's game? 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Baker Boy 1,484 Posted January 27, 2020 7 hours ago, FeelingMN said: Every President before Trump withheld foreign aid in exchange for information on a political rival? If every President has done that, why doesn't Trump just admit what he did? If all this falls under the umbrella of....all politicians try to influence an election, that's all I'm doing.....just say it. Why isn't he? Clinton got busted for getting blown in his office, then perjured himself. If Trump has done nothing wrong, he should testify under oath. Or at least let someone else testify who could help exonerate him. But none of that will happen. Why? Fact is all of this looks very bad for Trump. And honestly I don't want him removed from office any other way than through voting his ass out because any other way might fracture the country even more. No matter what happens, someone's gonna be pissed. It's a messed up situation no matter what side you're on. For how many weeks/months did Trump withhold aid? What was the outcome of this quid pro quo forced investigation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intense Observer 344 Posted January 27, 2020 "withheld aid in exchange for dirt on a political opponent" This is why they are called "enemy of the people". They turned unethical at best and criminal at worst behavior by Joe Biden into a "debunked conspiracy" and impeachable offense for Trump wanting to get the facts on the matter. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intense Observer 344 Posted January 27, 2020 Pam Bondi skull focking the Dems: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,082 Posted January 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, Intense Observer said: Pam Bondi skull focking the Dems: If we’re going to get to the bottom of things, let’s do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intense Observer 344 Posted January 28, 2020 Classic liberal and esteemed Harvard Constitutional Law Professor, Alan Dershowitz, is giving a speech that will end up in the Smithsonian. Actually laying out the constitutional framework of impeachment. Abuse of power has never been an impeachable offense. Went through about 30 presidents who have "abused power" and not a single one was ever impeached. Abuse of Power is a subjective political offense that should be decided on by the American people. I suspect the Republicans unanimously vote to dismiss. Possibly as early as tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intense Observer 344 Posted January 28, 2020 https://youtu.be/Ac6zoMLE_CM Live link Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,569 Posted January 28, 2020 Dershowitz destroying it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intense Observer 344 Posted January 28, 2020 Once again the Dems have an ace witness in the hole set to take down MAGA 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias Detective 1,179 Posted January 28, 2020 Joe Scarborough MSNBC - losing it on live tv right now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,379 Posted January 28, 2020 19 hours ago, Intense Observer said: Pam Bondi skull focking the Dems: Ha! Checkmate Trumpets Hunter Biden is totally qualified to sit on that board. He has extensive ahhh business contacts? And maybe some engineering certificates and sure his daddy was VP but that has nothing to do with his qualifications. Nice try but orange man bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted January 28, 2020 I have a feeling that the defense is making a strong logical case that is way above the intelligence level of the left. This is how the left thinks: We win? All is good. We lose? Change the rules. They are not capable of understanding anything other than what they want and how to cry when they don't get their way. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias Detective 1,179 Posted January 28, 2020 Jay Seculow has muppet characteristics but is nailing his closing opening arguments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,849 Posted January 28, 2020 Is anyone worried about what's going to happen to social security under Trump? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,618 Posted January 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: Is anyone worried about what's going to happen to social security under Trump? No. Were you worried when Obama made it less solvent? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,849 Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: No. Were you worried when Obama made it less solvent? I didn't pay too much attention to those types of things back then. I've seen some older people I know that have been talking about it a lot lately and they are concerned, that's why I asked. I still have another 30 years before I retire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,618 Posted January 28, 2020 37 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I didn't pay too much attention to those types of things back then. I've seen some older people I know that have been talking about it a lot lately and they are concerned, that's why I asked. I still have another 30 years before I retire. Trump has stated numerous times he’s not going to cut anyone’s benefits. He did say some things about getting the disability fraud in check. Haven’t read much about that. And your friends are make believe. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted January 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I didn't pay too much attention to those types of things back then. I've seen some older people I know that have been talking about it a lot lately and they are concerned, that's why I asked. I still have another 30 years before I retire. Calling bullsh!t snuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,122 Posted January 28, 2020 Social security = When the government saves your money for you 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,849 Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, drobeski said: Calling bullsh!t snuff. What are you calling BS? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bostonlager 2,462 Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said: Social security = When the government saves your money for you Exactly. I would vote for anyone promising to get rid of that ponzi bulllshit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,122 Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, bostonlager said: Exactly. I would vote for anyone promising to get rid of that ponzi bulllshit. Same. Its annoying saving my own money then having to pay taxes because other people can't save theirs. Losers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted January 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I didn't pay too much attention to those types of things back then. I've seen some older people I know that have been talking about it a lot lately and they are concerned, that's why I asked. I still have another 30 years before I retire. I'd be worried if I were you. The baby boomers paid a ton in, and they are taking a ton out. After they pass, there is a sharp decline in population paying in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias Detective 1,179 Posted January 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I didn't pay too much attention to those types of things back then. I've seen some older people I know that have been talking about it a lot lately and they are concerned, that's why I asked. I still have another 30 years before I retire. You are still wet behind the years kid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,618 Posted January 28, 2020 Buy gold Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,849 Posted January 28, 2020 Just now, TimmySmith said: I'd be worried if I were you. The baby boomers paid a ton in, and they are taking a ton out. After they pass, there is a sharp decline in population paying in. I've held the opinion for a while now that there won't be any social security for me when I'm at retirement age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,849 Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Alias Detective said: You are still wet behind the years kid. Oh, I know. I have a lot to learn and experience yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias Detective 1,179 Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said: Oh, I know. I have a lot to learn and experience yet. I suggest posting about half as many times. You will go farther in life not always needing the last word. Also, wisdom isn’t learned, it’s experienced. Let your life’s own experiences dictate your opinions, not what some book or tweet tells you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,108 Posted January 28, 2020 Impeachment you say? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,479 Posted January 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said: Social security = When the government saves your money for you and gives you a tiny fraction of it back, and acts like you should be grateful for it. Fixed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
avoiding injuries 1,220 Posted January 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Impeachment you say? I think I see Hawkeye in the crowd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,849 Posted January 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said: I think I see Hawkeye in the crowd. Now, that's funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,569 Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said: Is anyone worried about what's going to happen to social security under Trump? no because it would be a grandfather clause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted January 28, 2020 I have always had my retirement planner calculate payout as is social security would be gone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intense Observer 344 Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said: Is anyone worried about what's going to happen to social security under Trump? After the latest attempt to undo the 2016 election fails maybe Congress does their actual job and passes legislation. If Republicans can take back the House I bet we see Trump tackle issues like social security, healthcare, term limits, and the deficit. And finish immigration reform and trade deals, that both benefit American citizens. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted January 28, 2020 Ever notice how Trump just keeps going to work while the democrats are trying to bring this country to a halt? MAGA 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,122 Posted January 28, 2020 32 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: Ever notice how Trump just keeps going to work while the democrats are trying to bring this country to a halt? MAGA That's typically what happens when you elect people to office who hold allegiance to the country they/their parents originated from, instead of the one they are living in now. Looking at you Jihad squad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
