Official President Trump Impeachment Inquiry Thread

[IGotWorms 4,059]

10 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

That's what was reported at the time. 

No, that’s what you read on a Twitter feed dedicated to spreading disinformation for Trump. And rather than learn that lesson, you keep promoting these insane lies and conspiracy theories.

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And Flynn, by the way, was convicted of a felony. Again, get your focking FACTS straight.

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On 11/2/2019 at 6:24 PM, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No, it's not. It's low quality health care that you can't use.  You have to wait like 6 to 12 months just to see a doctor.

Except that simply isn't true. I know people from Canada. And the UK. They see doctors easily every time they go home.

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I know people from Canada, and they come to the USA so they don't have to wait in line to see a doctor.

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26 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

And Flynn, by the way, was convicted of a felony. Again, get your focking FACTS straight.

Convicted eh, lawyer ? I must have missed the trial. 

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25 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

No, that’s what you read on a Twitter feed dedicated to spreading disinformation for Trump. And rather than learn that lesson, you keep promoting these insane lies and conspiracy theories.

There are facts to back up my postings; you got Rachel Madcow and NYT.

24 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

And Flynn, by the way, was convicted of a felony. Again, get your focking FACTS straight.

What felony? It's clear the 302s were altered by several individuals that were FIRED by the DOJ/FBI and they're under investigation. He was framed, fought it til he nearly went bankrupt and they threatened his son. That's not debateable. 

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I picture Filthy in a dimly lit rathole apartment with one of those huge cork boards covered in press clippings and pictures with arrows and question marks with cryptic notes scrawled all over it (Deep State Plant? Possible Connection??? etc.) like you see from conspiracy theory wingnuts in the movies. 

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

I picture Filthy naked in a dimly lit rathole apartment with one of those huge cork boards covered in press clippings and pictures with arrows and question marks next to cryptic notes scrawled all over it (Deep State Plant? Possible Connection??? etc.) like you see from conspiracy theory wingnuts in the movies. 

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34 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Convicted eh, lawyer ? I must have missed the trial. 

He pled guilty so there was no trial. Either way he is a CONVICTED FELON.

Try to keep up fellas

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1 hour ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Except that simply isn't true. I know people from Canada. And the UK. They see doctors easily every time they go home.

I can counter that because I know people from Canada too who tell me the exact opposite. They say that if you are in an accident and you need immediate care because you're injured you'll get it but for anything else you'll be waiting at least 6-12 months if not longer.

Heck, I am pretty sure that there's even statistics on that that the wait times in Canada have gotten even longer.  I'll see if I can dig that up.

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11 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

He pled guilty so there was no trial. Either way he is a CONVICTED FELON.

Try to keep up fellas

Ok, who said he wasn't?    The FACT though, is that the offense occurred AFTER Trump was elected.   Anything on collusion? And any word on all that Mueller money that put the investigation in the black? 

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30 minutes ago, MDC said:

I picture Filthy with one of those huge cacks like you see in the movies. 

Go upstairs and ask yer mom

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15 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

He pled guilty so there was no trial. Either way he is a CONVICTED FELON.

Try to keep up fellas

The motion to toss the case hasn't been ruled on FFS. Sh!t is getting dismissed.

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2 hours ago, drobeski said:

Explosive,  but the sheep like honcho,  worms and hawk will stick their fingers in their ears and pretend it didnt happen like the good little sheep they are. 

They'll wait for their marching orders from CNN and snopes to deflect from this truth. 

What have I said in this forum that makes you think I would do that?  You get so confused by people that don't like Trump and just assume they have to be liberals and defend all democrats.  That's not me.  I also don't watch CNN or go to their website.

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1 hour ago, lickin_starfish said:

I know people from Canada, and they come to the USA so they don't have to wait in line to see a doctor.

Maybe, just maybe, it's not the same for every person in Canada at every clinic or hospital?

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1 hour ago, lickin_starfish said:

 

That's unbelievable, he's not even wearing a tool belt

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2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

He pled guilty so there was no trial. Either way he is a CONVICTED FELON.

Try to keep up fellas

And THE VERY NEXT DAY:

1. Texts between the FBI agents who interviewed him and wrote the 302s were released showing they were scheming an "insurance policy" to take Trump out

2. The judge in his case recused himself. How often does a federal judge recuse himself from a case AFTER getting the plea deal?

 

And thirdly, why has Flynn not been sentenced in nearly 2 years? On a plea deal? You can't use muh Mueller as an excuse anymore, that shot show sailed 6 months ago.

You have to be a special kind of retarded to think that the Flynn matter is legit or settled.

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1 hour ago, lickin_starfish said:

 

Wow. The Bidens were grabbing everything  they could get their grubby hands on.  Even with our sworn enemies. You know, the "Death to America" folks. What a great group of Patriots. And Obama was ok with it.  

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2 minutes ago, Intense Observer said:

And THE VERY NEXT DAY:

1. Texts between the FBI agents who interviewed him and wrote the 302s were released showing they were scheming an "insurance policy" to take Trump out

2. The judge in his case recused himself. How often does a federal judge recuse himself from a case AFTER getting the plea deal?

 

And thirdly, why has Flynn not been sentenced in nearly 2 years? On a plea deal? You can't use muh Mueller as an excuse anymore, that shot show sailed 6 months ago.

You have to be a special kind of retarded to think that the Flynn matter is legit or settled.

Yes, but for the moment he is a convicted felon, guilty of the same offense as Bill Clinton.  The fact that it happened after the election and before Trump took office is just more evidence the Mueller investigation was a sham show, with nothing, not even the money the libs claim paid for the whole thing. 

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-michael-flynn-smoking-gun-fbi-headquarters-altered-interview-summary

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3 hours ago, lickin_starfish said:

 

If BibleBeltMomma said it on Twitter, it must be true.

Seriously, weren’t any of you guys ever taught that you’re supposed to VET YOUR SOURCES and that YOU CAN’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET.

To say nothing of more complicated concepts like confirmation bias.

Jesus focking Christ

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https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/468384-fbi-hand-slapping-outweighs-any-lies-by-michael-flynn

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49 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

If BibleBeltMomma said it on Twitter, it must be true.

Seriously, weren’t any of you guys ever taught that you’re supposed to VET YOUR SOURCES and that YOU CAN’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THR INTERNET.

To say nothing of more complicated concepts like confirmation bias.

Jesus focking Christ

Never heard of her but she is already way more credible than ABC.

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They released more transcripts today. The Sondland one sounds especially bad for Trump and Giuliani

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55 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

If BibleBeltMomma said it on Twitter, it must be true.

Seriously, weren’t any of you guys ever taught that you’re supposed to VET YOUR SOURCES and that YOU CAN’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET.

To say nothing of more complicated concepts like confirmation bias.

Jesus focking Christ

Appears true Worms. But it was Iraq, not Iran. Point stands. The Bidens are pigs. 

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And now Sondland has “updated” his testimony to disclose even more!

 

WASHINGTON — A critical witness in the impeachment inquiry offered Congress substantial new testimony this week, revealing that he told a top Ukrainian official that the country likely would not receive American military aid unless it publicly committed to investigations President Trump wanted.

The disclosure from Gordon D. Sondland, the United States ambassador to the European Union, in four new pages of sworn testimony released on Tuesday, confirmed his involvement in essentially laying out a quid pro quo to Ukraine that he had previously not acknowledged.

The testimony offered several major new details beyond the account he gave the inquiry in a 10-hour interview last month. Mr. Sondland provided a more robust description of his own role in alerting the Ukrainians that they needed to go along with investigative requests being demanded by the president’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani. By early September, Mr. Sondland said, he had become convinced that military aid and a White House meeting were conditioned on Ukraine committing to those investigations.

Mr. Sondland had said in a text message exchange in early September with William B. Taylor Jr., the top American diplomat in Ukraine, that the president had been clear there was no quid pro quo between the aid and investigations of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., his son and other Democrats. But Mr. Sondland testified last month that he was only repeating what Mr. Trump had told him, leaving open the question of whether he believed the president. The new account suggested that Mr. Sondland  may have not been completely forthcoming with Mr. Taylor, and that he was, in fact, aware that the aid was contingent upon the investigations.

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Okay wow, that’s a smoking gun

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Why is asking for a corruption investigation before we give aid wrong? Because it involves Biden? So what? He's not immune because he's running for president.  

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14 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

And now Sondland has “updated” his testimony to disclose even more!

 

WASHINGTON — A critical witness in the impeachment inquiry offered Congress substantial new testimony this week, revealing that he told a top Ukrainian official that the country likely would not receive American military aid unless it publicly committed to investigations President Trump wanted.

The disclosure from Gordon D. Sondland, the United States ambassador to the European Union, in four new pages of sworn testimony released on Tuesday, confirmed his involvement in essentially laying out a quid pro quo to Ukraine that he had previously not acknowledged.

The testimony offered several major new details beyond the account he gave the inquiry in a 10-hour interview last month. Mr. Sondland provided a more robust description of his own role in alerting the Ukrainians that they needed to go along with investigative requests being demanded by the president’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani. By early September, Mr. Sondland said, he had become convinced that military aid and a White House meeting were conditioned on Ukraine committing to those investigations.

Mr. Sondland had said in a text message exchange in early September with William B. Taylor Jr., the top American diplomat in Ukraine, that the president had been clear there was no quid pro quo between the aid and investigations of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., his son and other Democrats. But Mr. Sondland testified last month that he was only repeating what Mr. Trump had told him, leaving open the question of whether he believed the president. The new account suggested that Mr. Sondland  may have not been completely forthcoming with Mr. Taylor, and that he was, in fact, aware that the aid was contingent upon the investigations.

Very poorly written.  Almost appearing intentionally poorly written.  

Sondland "confirmed" role in "essentially laying out".

Sondland "became convinced".

Sondland repeated what "Trump told him".  About no quid pro quo?  Whether he "believed the President"? 

Still sounds like babble to me.

 

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49 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Okay wow, that’s a smoking gun

"Likely" smoking gun or real one this time ?

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40 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why is asking for a corruption investigation before we give aid wrong? Because it involves Biden? So what? He's not immune because he's running for president.  

Yes he is, he's a Democrat, it was her turn and orange man bad! 

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33 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Very poorly written.  Almost appearing intentionally poorly written.  

Sondland "confirmed" role in "essentially laying out".

Sondland "became convinced".

Sondland repeated what "Trump told him".  About no quid pro quo?  Whether he "believed the President"? 

Still sounds like babble to me.

 

Read the statement yourself if you’d like. Takes out any editorializing. Of course, I’d purposefully a little vague but bottom line Sondland perjured himself during his prior testimony and is now admitting that there was quid pro quo

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Funny how now the attempted defense is “well what’s wrong with quid pro quo?!”

When for so many months it was “there was no quid pro quo!”

’Til it turned out there was. Oops.

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why is asking for a corruption investigation before we give aid wrong? Because it involves Biden? So what? He's not immune because he's running for president.  

Exactly. 

And by definition, investigating a political rival is exactly what the dems have been doing non stop since Trump was elected.  

The whole charade is moronic.  

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9 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Read the statement yourself if you’d like. Takes out any editorializing. Of course, I’d purposefully a little vague but bottom line Sondland perjured himself during his prior testimony and is now admitting that there was quid pro quo

Wait.  Did he perjure himself before, or did he perjure himself now? 

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2 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Exactly. 

And by definition, investigating a political rival is exactly what the dems have been doing non stop since Trump was elected.  

The whole charade is moronic.  

Isn't asking for foreign help in investigating a rival in an election illegal?

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26 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Read the statement yourself if you’d like. Takes out any editorializing. Of course, I’d purposefully a little vague but bottom line Sondland perjured himself during his prior testimony and is now admitting that there was quid pro quo

You read the text messages and see if you see any hint of quid pro quo.  I can't. 

For some reason the "quid pro quo" is important although if Trump actually asked the Ukranians to do what the left is claiming, it shouldn't be.

 

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11 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Isn't asking for foreign help in investigating a rival in an election illegal?

Is it?  Not sure.  Didn't the Clintons and the DNC hire Michael Steele (British with deep Russia ties) to create that Dossier against Trump in 2016? 

Admittedly I didn't keep up with the whole Russia thing, but that was my understanding. 

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5 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

You read the text messages and see if you see any hint of quid pro quo.  I can't. 

I guess you missed where the one guy said he was really uncomfortable with the quid pro quo. 

Then Sondland said “Whaaaaat?? There’s no quid pro quo, I totally swear.”

And then today Sondland said well actually I was lying and there was definitely quid pro quo