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18 minutes ago, frank said:

He wouldn’t be able to stop it. He could only help find a cure. :dunno:

Dammit, you're right.  

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1 hour ago, iam90sbaby said:

Have you all seen these?

 

 

People in quarantine in Panzhihua are getting food for free. People from outside the city can't come here unless they live or work here. If they do come back, they're put in quarantine for two weeks.

Panzhihua now has a thirteenth infected person, again same family. Meanwhile, eight are recovered and out of the hospital, so five active cases in the hospital.

I can't speak for the rest of China, but locally, I'm giving the government an A+. Of course, with that said, I'm relying on the local government's own numbers. But also walking around on the rare occasions I go outside, I see how they're taking every step imaginable.

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12 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

People in quarantine in Panzhihua are getting food for free. People from outside the city can't come here unless they live or work here. If they do come back, they're put in quarantine for two weeks.

Panzhihua now has a thirteenth infected person, again same family. Meanwhile, eight are recovered and out of the hospital, so five active cases in the hospital.

I can't speak for the rest of China, but locally, I'm giving the government an A+. Of course, with that said, I'm relying on the local government's own numbers. But also walking around on the rare occasions I go outside, I see how they're taking every step imaginable.

I'm curious how this would have played out had it originated here.  400 million firearms and a government attempting to quarantine entire cities?  I don't see it ending well.

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31 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I can't speak for the rest of China, but locally, I'm giving the government an A+. Of course, with that said, I'm relying on the local government's own numbers. But also walking around on the rare occasions I go outside, I see how they're taking every step imaginable.

We knew it would happen eventually. Voltaire has obviously been disappeared and replaced. :ninja:

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24 minutes ago, fandandy said:

I'm curious how this would have played out had it originated here.  400 million firearms and a government attempting to quarantine entire cities?  I don't see it ending well.

Lots of, “Lemme talk to yo supahvizah.”

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1 minute ago, fandandy said:

I'm curious how this would have played out had it originated here.  400 million firearms and a government attempting to quarantine entire cities?  I don't see it ending well.

For me, staying my ass at home seems the safest bet. I'm frustrated that I'm putting on weight. Normally the demon I have to slay that prevents me from exercising is wanting to sit my ass down and fock off online.... well I am so very, very overdosed on focking off online right now, I'll be back outside for long walks up these mountains first chance I get and hopefully the habit sticks this time.

Panzhihua is not the problem. We CAN get out of the house for shopping and probably walking around as I mentioned above although I'm not doing it, I may want to go for at least one walk. 'Hua' is Chinese for flower and Panzhihua is the only city in China named for a flower. This flower only grows at this time of year (Spring comes early here, the weather now and in November is the best all year, low 70s) and I may want to go gather some for my family.

As for your point about the US.... whatever the fock they're doing in Wuhan and Hubei, I have no idea. Between the cops, the health care workers, and the residents, it's a mess. Residents there are not happy and I don't blame them, but know this, I sure as hell don't want any of those people here unless they've spent two weeks in quarantine first ... spend two weeks in quarantine and come out of it... welcome. Panzhihua might well have zero cases if not for the Wuhan dingb*tch that came here and got her whole family sick.

I think that's fair. If I got on a plane to go wait this out at my sister's house, I'd expect to be put in two weeks quarantine too before going, I don't want to infect her family or anyone in Michigan either. 

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36 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

For me, staying my ass at home seems the safest bet. I'm frustrated that I'm putting on weight. Normally the demon I have to slay that prevents me from exercising is wanting to sit my ass down and fock off online.... well I am so very, very overdosed on focking off online right now, I'll be back outside for long walks up these mountains first chance I get and hopefully the habit sticks this time.

Panzhihua is not the problem. We CAN get out of the house for shopping and probably walking around as I mentioned above although I'm not doing it, I may want to go for at least one walk. 'Hua' is Chinese for flower and Panzhihua is the only city in China named for a flower. This flower only grows at this time of year (Spring comes early here, the weather now and in November is the best all year, low 70s) and I may want to go gather some for my family.

As for your point about the US.... whatever the fock they're doing in Wuhan and Hubei, I have no idea. Between the cops, the health care workers, and the residents, it's a mess. Residents there are not happy and I don't blame them, but know this, I sure as hell don't want any of those people here unless they've spent two weeks in quarantine first ... spend two weeks in quarantine and come out of it... welcome. Panzhihua might well have zero cases if not for the Wuhan dingb*tch that came here and got her whole family sick.

I think that's fair. If I got on a plane to go wait this out at my sister's house, I'd expect to be put in two weeks quarantine too before going, I don't want to infect her family or anyone in Michigan either. 

That has been our struggle. We've been on vacation since before this thing started. Vacation ends today. So what to do? 

I don't want to fly back to the states. Fly on planes full of Asian people to go hang out with my father who just got out of the hospital, and my sisters one year old? Nah.

We don't go back to work until. March 1 at the earliest now. Could hunker down somewhere in southeast Asia for a couple more weeks. But we're tired of living in sh!tty hotel rooms, eating out every meal. It gets costly, even in the third world.

So I guess we are going back. Fly out tonight. Tomorrow we will mask up and load up with a couple weeks worth of groceries. Stay in the house for a while. Not thrilled about the choice, but don't have any great options. 

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It seems crazy to me to actually be going to China right now.  Good luck.  How is China handling inbound flights since this outbreak?  Will you two be quarantined or just have your temperature taken at the airport before you head home? 

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3 minutes ago, fandandy said:

It seems crazy to me to actually be going to China right now.  Good luck.  How is China handling inbound flights since this outbreak?  Will you two be quarantined or just have your temperature taken at the airport before you head home? 

We will have our temps taken.

We finally heard from the school today. We live on campus. All entrances save one are closed. They disenfected our building, and disenfect the entrance several times a day. We are given masks and hand sanitizer and gloves for when we need to go out. Nobody is on campus really except the foreign staff.

Looks like school will resume March 1, but will be done online, so no exposure to students.

I think it will be fine. We will just hunker down in the apartment. Which is pretty much what we do anyway. 

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The following is from Breitbart.  What I've been saying about those masks and PPE plus some stuff I didn't know about prescription meds.  If that gets here we are going to be truly focked.  It infuriates me that our government and business leaders have put us in this position.  So greedy.  The love of money is the root of all evil.

 

The coronavirus outbreak has exposed the United States’ dangerous dependence on China for pharmaceutical and medical supplies, including an estimated 97 percent of all antibiotics and 80 percent of the active pharmaceutical ingredients needed to produce drugs in the United States.

The economic repercussions of the coronavirus reveal the dangers of allowing one country to have a near monopoly on global manufacturing, David Dayen explains in an article at the American Prospect:

China is a source of not only finished goods, but also of input parts and raw materials. substantial number of the materials needed for defense and electronic systems come from China, and that nation is “the single or sole supplier for a number of specialty chemicals,” according to a recent Defense Department report. Rare earth minerals, which are critical to electronics, are largely mined in China. As a result, Chinese disruptions don’t just hit Chinese manufacturing, they hit everyone’s. Automakers have already had to slow or shut down factories globally due to supply shortages.

Perhaps the biggest concern is over medical supplies. China produces and exports a large amount of pharmaceuticals to the U.S., including 97 percent of all antibiotics and 80 percent of the active ingredients used to make drugs here. Penicillin, ibuprofen, and aspirin largely come from ChinaLast month, the medical supply firm Cardinal Health recalled 2.9 million surgical gowns “cross contaminated” at a plant in China; the blood pressure drug valsartan also saw shortages recently, thanks to tainted active ingredients at one Chinese plant. The combination of supply chain disruptions and increased demand at hospitals if coronavirus spreads to the U.S. could prove devastating.

In a dark irony, most of the world’s face masks—now ubiquitous in China as a precaution—are made in China and Taiwan, and even for those made elsewhere, some component parts are Chinese-sourced. Shortages have led China to declare the masks a “strategic resource,” reserving them for medical workers. U.S. hospitals are “critically low” on respiratory masks, according to medical-supply middlemen. Lack of protective gear could increase vulnerability to the virus, and the one place on earth suffering from production shutdowns is the one place where most of the protective gear originates [emphasis added].

In testimony yesterday before the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, Scott Gottlieb, a physician and the former Food and Drug Administration commissioner in the Trump administration, explained in detail the extent of the U.S. pharmaceutical industry’s dependence on China:

About 40 percent of generic drugs sold in the U.S. have only a single manufacturer. A significant supply chain disruption could cause shortages for some of many of these products.

Last year, manufacturing of intermediate or finished goods in China, as well as pharmaceutical source material, accounted for 95 percent of U.S. imports of ibuprofen, 91 percent of U.S. imports of hydrocortisone, 70 percent of U.S. imports of acetaminophen, 40 to 45 percent of U.S. imports of penicillin, and 40 percent of U.S. imports of heparin, according to the Commerce Department. In total, 80 percent of the U.S. supply of antibiotics are made in China.

While much of the fill finishing work (the actual formulation of finished drug capsules and tablets) is done outside China (and often in India) the starting and intermediate chemicals are often sourced in China. Moreover, the U.S. generic drug industry can no longer produce certain critical medicines such as penicillin and doxycycline without these chemical components.

According to a report from the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission, China’s chemical industry, which accounts for 40 percent of global chemical industry revenue, provides a large number of ingredients for drug products. It’s these source materials — where in many cases China is the exclusive source of the chemical ingredients used for the manufacture of a drug product — that create choke points in the global supply chain for critical medicines.

Moreover, when it comes to starting material for the manufacture of pharmaceutical ingredients, a lot of this production is centered in China’s Hubei Provence, the epicenter of coronavirus. Most drug makers have a one to three-months of inventory of drug ingredients on hand. But these supplies are already being drawn down. Among big [active pharmaceutical makers] makers in Wuhan are Wuhan Shiji Pharmaceutical, Chemwerth, Hubei Biocause, Wuhan Calmland Pharmaceuticals. [emphasis added]

Gottlieb notes that “80 percent of the U.S. supply of antibiotics are made in China.” The sourcing of this estimate is explained in greater detail in section three of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission’s 2019 report to Congress, titled “ Growing U.S. Reliance on China’s Biotech and Pharmaceutical Products.”

The report notes that China is “the world’s largest producer of active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs). The United States is heavily dependent on drugs that are either sourced from China or include APIs sourced from China.” The report further explains that although India is the world’s leading supplier of generic drugs, India gets 80 percent of its active pharmaceutical ingredients directly from China. The United States also imports 80 percent of its APIs from overseas (primarily from India and China) and “a substantial portion” of its generic drugs “either directly from China or from third countries like India that use APIs sourced from China.”

In other words, almost all pharmaceutical roads lead to China.

Furthermore, the report notes that China’s dominance of the chemical industry and global manufacturing of active pharmaceutical ingredients means that “the world is becoming increasingly dependent on China as the single source for life-saving drugs.”

“The U.S. generic drug industry can no longer produce certain critical medicines such as penicillin and doxycycline, and the APIs needed to make these antibiotics are sourced from China,” the report states.

China achieved this dominance in the pharmaceutical industry by the same methods it employed to dominate the steel industry – through anti-competitive trade practices that dumped cheap state-subsidized products on foreign markets to drive competitors out of business.

The report states:

Rosemary Gibson, senior advisor at the Hastings Center and author of China RX, noted in her testimony before the Commission that the United States is losing its ability to produce generic drugs because Chinese drug companies dumped low-price products into the global market, which in turn pushed U.S., European, and Indian producers out of the generic drug manufacturing business. According to Ms. Gibson, China is seeking to disrupt, dominate, and displace U.S. pharmaceutical and other medical companies, and in doing so limit the United States’ ability to produce its own medicines, including critical antibiotics such as penicillin and even generic aspirin. She believes the United States could see its generic drug industry made uncompetitive within five to ten years due to the Chinese government’s policies (including subsidies and export incentives) that allow Chinese pharmaceutical firms to undercut prices and drive U.S. firms out of business. [emphasis added]

Ironically, China’s success in monopolizing the U.S. drug market with these anti-competitive trade practices was reportedly cited by President Trump’s former economic adviser Gary Cohn as an argument against Trump’s efforts to fight back against China’s trade violations.

In his book Fear: Trump in the White House, Bob Woodward describes a heated discussion among Trump administration officials about the repercussions of a trade war with China. Cohn, who disagreed with the president’s decision to impose tariff’s on Beijing, reportedly invoked a Commerce Department study showing that 97 percent of all U.S. antibiotics come from China. “‘If you’re the Chinese and you want to really just destroy us, just stop sending us antibiotics,’ he said.”

Globalist critics like Cohn of Trump’s trade policies “fretted that turbulence from the Trump administration’s tariffs would have catastrophic results on the global economy,” Curtis Ellis wrote last week in an op-ed for Breitbart News. These critics proved to be wrong.

However, the virus itself will cause economic disruptions because it “has exposed the frailty of global supply chains and the fallacy of the management theory calling for intercontinental supply chains and just-in-time inventory management,” Ellis writes.

Or, to put it another way, the tariffs did not hurt the U.S. economy, but the current virus outbreak in China could because of the very problem that the tariffs were enacted, in part, to address. In this sense, the virus has vindicated the Trump’s administration’s tough trade stance and affirmed the necessity of moving the world’s supply chains out of China. If anything, Trump’s tariffs may have actually made the U.S. economy somewhat more resilient because they encouraged companies to begin the process of moving production out of China.

But this vindication could be of little consolation to Trump if the virus’s ripple effects hurt the economy during an election year. The political repercussions could be significant for a president who has touted the strong economy has become a major re-election selling point.

Economists are already expecting the virus to have a major impact on China’s economy. Breitbart News’s John Carney reports, HSBC “lowered its estimate for the first quarter growth from an annualized rate of 5.8 percent to 4.1 percent” for China. “The bank’s estimate for full year growth was lowered by half a percentage point from 5.8 percent to 5.3 percent.”

As for the global economic impact, Dayen quotes Washington University in St. Louis professor Panos Kouvelis who estimates $300 to $400 billion in supply chain damage over a period of up to two years.

“That’s actually manageable as a share of the global economy,” Dayen writes. “But as new cases pop up in Singapore, an important financial hub, and as the head of the World Health Organization warns that we could be seeing only the ‘tip of the iceberg,’ those numbers could already be out of date.”

Those numbers may indeed be overly optimistic. In his testimony before the Senate yesterday, Gottlieb warned of the potential for the coronavirus epidemic to become a full pandemic–and maybe even endemic–now that it has spread to Singapore, Hong Kong, and Japan. “It could take a new position as a more sinister member of the seasonal pathogens that circulate each year and infect humans,” he said, noting that “the next month is critical.”

“We must prepare for the prospect that the virus evaded our border protections and was already introduced into the U.S. in late December or early January — when it first appears to have become epidemic in China’s Hubei province. Those index cases could have seeded community spread, and eventually, outbreaks could emerge in America,” Gottlieb  stated.

Whatever the economic impacts of the coronavirus, the current dependence on an authoritarian communist regime for vital necessities is an indictment of the globalists economic policies that have endangered U.S. national security and long-term prosperity.

“[T]he economic threats to locating so much of the global supply chain in one part of the world were eminently predictable,” writes Dayen. “Neoliberal dogma about ‘comparative advantage’ and a concomitant preference for mass outsourcing put the world on a tenuous path.”

There is a growing consensus among populists on the right and left about the need to address the neoliberal trade and economic policies that gave China a monopoly on the world’s supply chains.

Gottlieb urged Congress to empower the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) “to look not only at the supply of finished products but to also identify circumstances where key components may have only a single source across an entire category of products.”

“The Federal Trade Commission already has this research authority, it just doesn’t use it very often,” Stoller explains. “And the United States Trade Representative has information on our dependencies on China, because when they threatened tariffs large numbers of companies came to them during a notice and comment period whining about how such dependencies would hurt their business. So we have some information about the scale of the problem. Just not enough.”

“The strongest reason to address monopolies isn’t because monopolies are unjust, but because they are dangerous,” Stoller notes. “And we may be about to find out just how dangerous they are.”

If nothing else, the coronavirus offers business and government leaders another reason to continue the process of decoupling the U.S. economy from China. And it also offers a warning for those who seek to simply relocate production to another developing country in order to exploit cheap labor and lax regulations. All of these short-term money-saving decisions come with long-term risk.

“If there’s a silver lining, it’s that this threat could inspire more diversification of supply chains,” Dayen writes. “The race to the bottom in manufacturing clearly has a cost, and countries must learn that self-preservation demands maintaining some semblance of an industrial base. The U.S.-China trade war did lead to some companies moving their work out of China, but only to cheaper countries where multinationals will likely conglomerate, to build economies of scale. We know the dangers inherent in that. Rebuilding domestic manufacturing is not just a question of jobs; it’s a question of safety.”

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I have an idea. It’s sounds kinda crazy, but hear me out in this: How about we start making our junk in Mexico instead of China? Or, god forbid, make some of it here? 

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I have an idea. It’s sounds kinda crazy, but hear me out in this: How about we start making our junk in Mexico instead of China? Or, god forbid, make some of it here? 

The cost of your Viagra will go through the roof!

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25 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

The cost of your Viagra will go through the roof!

Worth it. 

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Worth it. 

Link? I gotta 25 year old  sales girl that I'd love to give a Viagra walk   

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On 2/11/2020 at 11:15 PM, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

We will have our temps taken.

We finally heard from the school today. We live on campus. All entrances save one are closed. They disenfected our building, and disenfect the entrance several times a day. We are given masks and hand sanitizer and gloves for when we need to go out. Nobody is on campus really except the foreign staff.

Looks like school will resume March 1, but will be done online, so no exposure to students.

I think it will be fine. We will just hunker down in the apartment. Which is pretty much what we do anyway. 

Update?  You guys home yet?

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42 minutes ago, fandandy said:

Update?  You guys home yet?

Yeah. Got home late last night.

Place is creepy as fock. Our plane had maybe 30 people on it. City is a ghost town. We are at the mall right now to go grocery shopping. Empty.

Had our temperature taken six times so far.

They are flat not focking around. 

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3 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Yeah. Got home late last night.

Place is creepy as fock. Our plane had maybe 30 people on it. City is a ghost town. We are at the mall right now to go grocery shopping. Empty.

Had our temperature taken six times so far.

They are flat not focking around. 

Do they at least lube the thermometer before they shove it up your a$$?

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46 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Do they at least lube the thermometer before they shove it up your a$$?

It's a laser forehead job. Not very accurate. Keeps reporting me at 97.8

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7 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

It's a laser forehead job. Not very accurate. Keeps reporting me at 97.8

What would happen if youre found with a fever?  Quarantine, I assume, but where?  Isolation, or just mixed in with others?  Or just burn you at the stake?

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12 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

What would happen if youre found with a fever?  Quarantine, I assume, but where?  Isolation, or just mixed in with others?  Or just burn you at the stake?

I assume I would be swarmed by thugs in hazmat suits, I dunno. Now that we have groceries, my ass will be staying in my thoroughly disenfected apartment for a couple weeks.

Apparently starting Monday, our school is going to start sending three meals a day prepared by a "western style chef." wonder if that will prove edible.

 

We have enough drinking water for a week or two. Hopefully the delivery guy reopens by then. I don't want to lug that crap up six flights of stairs. 

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4 hours ago, fandandy said:

 

China is a source of not only finished goods, but also of input parts and raw materials. substantial number of the materials needed for defense and electronic systems come from China, and that nation is “the single or sole supplier for a number of specialty chemicals,” according to a recent Defense Department report. Rare earth minerals, which are critical to electronics, are largely mined in China. As a result, Chinese disruptions don’t just hit Chinese manufacturing, they hit everyone’s. Automakers have already had to slow or shut down factories globally due to supply shortages.

 

This is the case of where I live. China is 5000 years old but Panzhihua has no history. It's a city of just over a million people that only came into existence because of the titanium and vanadium here. If I go outside and pick up a rock, chances are quite high it has a little bit of shiny metal in it. Mao learned of this, put his finger on some mountains on a map, and said "we need a city here" and that's how Panzhihua came into existence.

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2 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

It's a laser forehead job. Not very accurate. Keeps reporting me at 97.8

I don't get that. I get some focking 34.7 or something...whatever celcius, I don't recall... they let me through so it must have been essentially 98.7.

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9 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

This is the case of where I live. China is 5000 years old but Panzhihua has no history. It's a city of just over a million people that only came into existence because of the titanium and vanadium here. If I go outside and pick up a rock, chances are quite high it has a little bit of shiny metal in it. Mao learned of this, put his finger on some mountains on a map, and said "we need a city here" and that's how Panzhihua came into existence.

Yep. Shenzhen wasn't here 30 years ago. Back then, it was just a little village. The name means "wide ditch" between China and Hong Kong.

Now of course it's a city of 13+ million and the silicon Valley of China. Tech doesn't function without this place. 

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2 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

 

Apparently starting Monday, our school is going to start sending three meals a day prepared by a "western style chef." wonder if that will prove edible.

 

:wub: 

So jealous

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1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

I don't get that. I get some focking 34.7 or something...whatever celcius, I don't recall... they let me through so it must have been essentially 98.7.

I converted mine. It's showing 97.4 Fahrenheit. I've been tested 7 times in 24 hours, all of them below 98.0.

So either I'm cold blooded, or the machines are calibrated low on purpose to give a bit of a grace spot. 

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18 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

:wub: 

So jealous

I would bet significant sums of money it will be barely edible garbage. I've seen the cafeteria here. 

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I hope you both are safe.  LMK if you need anything shipped from the States.

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6 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

It's a laser forehead job. Not very accurate. Keeps reporting me at 97.8

sounds like it's going to do you no good if you keep putting it in your a$$.  Didn't you read the directions?  😂

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1 hour ago, Bill E. said:

I hope you both are safe.  LMK if you need anything shipped from the States.

I dunno if you're interested in this sort of thing...

I've been following this college down in Savannah for many years now as it tries to get off the ground. What they're trying to do is very inspirational for somebody as interested in the classics of Western Civilization and building a school that cherishes the Humanities and Social Sciences. There's some event for a groundbreaking and Jordan Peterson is headlining an all star crew of speakers that is going to come down to participate, if you want to go check it out.

 

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2 hours ago, Bill E. said:

I hope you both are safe.  LMK if you need anything shipped from the States.

Maybe you can help now that I think on it.

There's a company that advertises on some YouTube channels that I like called MyPatriotSupply. They produce emergency food kits and the prices are quite reasonable. When I looked into it, they only send to US locations I'd not called them to followed up to call if they ship overseas, but they do have a 40% off feature.

I wouldn't mind reimbursing you for a four week supply. They sponsor redelephants and Steve Turley's youtube channels among others. 

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1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

Maybe you can help now that I think on it.

There's a company that advertises on some YouTube channels that I like called MyPatriotSupply that advertises on some youtube channels that I like., They make emergency food and the prices are quite reasonable. When I looked into it, they only send to US locations I'd not called them to followed up to call if they ship overseas, but they do have a 40% off feature.

I wouldn't mind reimbursing you for a four week supply. They sponsor redelephants and Steve Turley's youtube channels among others. 

Sure let me know.  Probably you could order it and ship it here and I could send it along.  Will pm you an address. 

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25 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I dunno if you're interested in this sort of thing...

I've been following this college down in Savannah for many years now as it tries to get off the ground. What they're trying to do is very inspirational for somebody as interested in the classics of Western Civilization and building a school that cherishes the Humanities and Social Sciences. There's some event for a groundbreaking and Jordan Peterson is headlining an all star crew of speakers that is going to come down to participate, if you want to go check it out.

 

Sounds interesting   I will look into it.

 

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So a U.S. woman from that cruise ship that no countries were allowing to dock until Cambodia welcomed them has tested positive for the virus in Malaysia, where she is now receiving care. Airport screening led to the diagnosis. Cambodia's PM personally greeted many passengers. Yikes.

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Food for thought as we likely exist in "early epi curve" one - two months behind. Another Tom Inglesby thread (Johns Hopkins School of Public Health)

 

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On 2/3/2020 at 8:35 AM, Cdub100 said:

I've read the virus does not populate well in heat. So yes that's good news. I think you have 1-2 weeks before you know how bad it's going to get.

infections continue to increase. I think we are at the tipping point right now. If it doesn't start to go down now the world is focked.

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10 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

infections continue to increase. I think we are at the tipping point right now. If it doesn't start to go down now the world is focked.

The world is focked is a bit of an overstatement I think. The vast majority of people who contract the virus get over it on their own.

Yeah, if it runs rampant, there would be a lot of deaths, mainly from the older and previous respritory condition crowd. But its not gonna wipe out humanity or anything.

Unless it starts mutating wildly. Then sh!t could get crazy.

I also wonder if people can get it more than once? Like if you get it, and then get over it, can you get it again? I assume so, since it is basically the flu.

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So, was this virus created in a lab? Or is that tin foil hat stuff? 

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So, was this virus created in a lab? Or is that tin foil hat stuff? 

 I'm not expecting an answer ever, other than the official "no it's not" we got from the Chinese government. As everybody knows, the Chinese government is incredibly opaque so doesn't help their credibility when they deny things because that was the only answer we would get either way.  

The Chinese do have a top secret bioweapon lab in Wuhan so maybe. Then again they posted the DNA code online quickly, which would have been top secret information, so maybe not.

I've heard (online rumors) that the first cases were from November and had nothing to do with the food market ... but... I dunno.

At this point it is tinfoil. The way I'd score it, i's not 1% 'bigfoot is real' tinfoil, nor is it 95% 'Jeffrey Epstein didn't commit suicide' tinfoil, but somewhere in the middle such that I really would not be surprised either way. I'll give this tinfoil 50/50%.

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On 2/14/2020 at 7:06 AM, Voltaire said:

Maybe you can help now that I think on it.

There's a company that advertises on some YouTube channels that I like called MyPatriotSupply. They produce emergency food kits and the prices are quite reasonable. When I looked into it, they only send to US locations I'd not called them to followed up to call if they ship overseas, but they do have a 40% off feature.

I wouldn't mind reimbursing you for a four week supply. They sponsor redelephants and Steve Turley's youtube channels among others. 

 

On 2/14/2020 at 7:09 AM, Bill E. said:

Sure let me know.  Probably you could order it and ship it here and I could send it along.  Will pm you an address. 

Curious if the logistics got worked out.

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9 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

The world is focked is a bit of an overstatement I think. The vast majority of people who contract the virus get over it on their own.

Yeah, if it runs rampant, there would be a lot of deaths, mainly from the older and previous respritory condition crowd. But its not gonna wipe out humanity or anything.

Unless it starts mutating wildly. Then sh!t could get crazy.

I also wonder if people can get it more than once? Like if you get it, and then get over it, can you get it again? I assume so, since it is basically the flu.

It's not an understatement. Look at what you had to go through to get back home. Look at whats happening to Chinese cities. He1l look at what's happening to cruise ships if someone is even suspected of having it.

Y'all acting like this is just some normal flu. The world reaction to it proves it's much more than that. 

If it really starts to spread, yes the world is .

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