Coronavirus - Doomsday

[DonS 3,292]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

This guy gets it:

 

https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1260721488241418240?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1260721488241418240&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redstate.com%2Felizabeth-vaughn%2F2020%2F05%2F14%2F837219%2F

I liked Tom Arnold's tough guy response.

Does he even work anymore? 

[Strike 5,628]

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/convalescent-plasma-safe-treat-covid-19-nationwide-study-n1206126

[Hawkeye21 2,406]

2 hours ago, DonS said:

I liked Tom Arnold's tough guy response.

Does he even work anymore? 

I thing he just does random things. No film anymore. He’s a huge Trump hater. 

[jerryskids 6,876]

7 hours ago, Leeson said:

How many of you would agree to paying those with REAL disabilities the next stimulus check, while not giving it to those that have no medical condition. 

There would be strict oversight and penalty for people faking it.

See next response.

7 hours ago, 5-Points said:

At this point, damn near everybody has been out of work or had hours reduced/pay cut. 

The next stimulus should include everybody who has been negatively impacted, including low risk imdividuals. That should hold them over while we open things back up and let people get back to work. 

High risk individuals can petition for extended assistance until a vaccine is available. 

This is a good answer.  We can argue if the currently proposed "stimulus" is required; we can't toss out multi-trillion dollar stimuli every month; at some point we need to focus it on the people who truly need it, including those with medical conditions like diabetes, COPD, etc. who are not comfortable entering the workforce.  We can put in an infrastructure to manage this.  Of course there will be some abuse of the system, but it should be much better than giving to (almost) everyone.  

6 hours ago, The Observer said:

No because I'm in my office at work.  But if I were in a grocery store, I would be considerate enough the wear one because I know there are morbidly obese high-risk people like you wobbling around.

It seems odd that you are working in an office; can't you do your job remotely?  Also from my understanding, PA is on the low end of opening back up. 

4 hours ago, Leeson said:

She's just one. And that's just two of many conditions that could cause problems with the general populace. She isn't looking for a handout. She's been going to school for 6 years and is on the verge of her Masters (also delayed because of this virus). If you were her, what choice would you make?

 

I've already said that, as a parent of a T1D daughter, I would have her go back to work.  Wear a mask, wash her hands, manage her blood sugar, etc.  If she still isn't comfortable... well, sometimes life tosses you lemons.  Our daughters will probably never be pilots or long-haul truck drivers.  Now we've got COVID-19 to deal with.  The job you described with the lab animals seems like one where she could manage her exposure. 

[DonS 3,292]

36 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I thing he just does random things. No film anymore. He’s a huge Trump hater. 

Ya don't say?  I gathered that. 

I liked him in True Lies, but cant think of anything else of note he's done aside from being married to Roseanne Barr.

[Leeson 54]

14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I've already said that, as a parent of a T1D daughter, I would have her go back to work.  Wear a mask, wash her hands, manage her blood sugar, etc.  If she still isn't comfortable... well, sometimes life tosses you lemons.  Our daughters will probably never be pilots or long-haul truck drivers.  Now we've got COVID-19 to deal with.  The job you described with the lab animals seems like one where she could manage her exposure. 

I haven't told my daughter what to do. That's not really my decision to make. I've listened and discussed things with her. Gun to my head, I'd tell her to stay home until there is a vaccine. If I told her to go to work and she got sick,  I would have to live with the consequences for the rest of my life. 

You said if she still isn't comfortable, sometimes life tosses you lemons?? What do you mean by that? This isn't about being passed over for a promotion. Or not being elected prom queen. We've had laws in this country to protect workers for 100 years. Suddenly our workers have more protection from wobbly ladders than they do from a pandemic. 

[jerryskids 6,876]

8 minutes ago, Leeson said:

I haven't told my daughter what to do. That's not really my decision to make. I've listened and discussed things with her. Gun to my head, I'd tell her to stay home until there is a vaccine. If I told her to go to work and she got sick,  I would have to live with the consequences for the rest of my life. 

You said if she still isn't comfortable, sometimes life tosses you lemons?? What do you mean by that? This isn't about being passed over for a promotion. Or not being elected prom queen. We've had laws in this country to protect workers for 100 years. Suddenly our workers have more protection from wobbly ladders than they do from a pandemic. 

I answered this already but I'll say it a different way.  I proposed that we put in an infrastructure to provide money to people with conditions like T1D with support money during the crisis, if they aren't comfortable working in public.  That being said, with your daughter getting a Masters and working with lab animals, she will be working with a high-level professional company that will be making every accommodation to make sure she is safe.  If not let me know.  At this point I feel compelled to ask:  is her sugar out of control?  If so I understand.  If not you are coming off like a bit of a helicopter parent.

The lemons comment was about her possibly needing to make sacrifices.  She will need to wear a mask, and gloves, and take every precaution.  Or if her sugar is in control, she can take more risks, get COVID, and have the same survival rate as the rest of us.

[Intense Observer 344]

How strictly are you guys following the guidelines/orders? What is your score?

1. face mask in public, everywhere

2. face mask inside grocery stores, etc

3  face masks are for olds and sissies

 

1. 6 ft distancing between every human on the planet

2. 6 ft distancing between only people outside your house

3. walk, stand, sit wherever you want

 

1. don't leave your house, except for once every 2 weeks to stock up on TP and ground beef

2. daily trips to market, daily takeout

3  daily trips to the beach, park, playground, gym, other forbidden places

 

1. leave groceries/mail outside for 96 hours so all the cooties die

2  bring everything in the house but clean/sanitize/wipe

3. give a courtesy wipe to beer cans with t-shirt before pounding

 

1. hand sanitizer after touching anything foreign, daily Clorox wipes on door knobs, remotes, cell phone, wash hands 15 times a day

2. hand sanitizer after going out, regular cleaning schedule at home, wash hands after defecating

3. can't remember where you put the hand sanitizer, wipe on shirt if needed

[Intense Observer 344]

Overall I was pretty serious the first 3 weeks with hand sanitizer and cleanliness. Once I realized within 100 miles there were only 2 deaths and 30 cases I kind of stopped giving a shite.

 

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[jerryskids 6,876]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

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This exactly. 

[Intense Observer 344]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-14/economists-see-georgia-s-reopening-as-bellwether-for-nation?srnd=premium

Georgia Governor Brian Kemp’s move to allow businesses to reopen almost three weeks ago, widely ridiculed by public-health officials, has so far not resulted in a surge of hospitalizations or deaths. That’s caught the attention of economists.

 

 

Some Wall Street economists say a continued decline in serious illnesses suggests Georgia’s reopening may encourage other states to ease restrictions and lead to an eventual resumption in economic activity in the U.S.

“Georgia is a bellwether mainly because the reopening has been so aggressive,” said Stephen Stanley, chief economist at Amherst Pierpont Securities LLC, who cited in a research note Wednesday an almost 20% drop in Georgia’s Covid-19 patients in the past week or so.

“The other aggressive states, like Florida and Texas, are still opening up more slowly,” Stanley said in an interview. “So if Georgia is successful then, in theory, no one is going too fast -- there should be a strong presumption that reopenings everywhere else should be successful.”

Kemp lifted a state order on April 24, allowing nail salons, hairdressers, bowling alleys and gyms to reopen so long as they followed state protocols. Restaurants and theaters were given the go-ahead three days later.

 

Pretty interesting read, and surprisingly unbiased reporting from Bloomberg

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

Just now, Intense Observer said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-14/economists-see-georgia-s-reopening-as-bellwether-for-nation?srnd=premium

Georgia Governor Brian Kemp’s move to allow businesses to reopen almost three weeks ago, widely ridiculed by public-health officials, has so far not resulted in a surge of hospitalizations or deaths. That’s caught the attention of economists.

 

 

Some Wall Street economists say a continued decline in serious illnesses suggests Georgia’s reopening may encourage other states to ease restrictions and lead to an eventual resumption in economic activity in the U.S.

“Georgia is a bellwether mainly because the reopening has been so aggressive,” said Stephen Stanley, chief economist at Amherst Pierpont Securities LLC, who cited in a research note Wednesday an almost 20% drop in Georgia’s Covid-19 patients in the past week or so.

“The other aggressive states, like Florida and Texas, are still opening up more slowly,” Stanley said in an interview. “So if Georgia is successful then, in theory, no one is going too fast -- there should be a strong presumption that reopenings everywhere else should be successful.”

Kemp lifted a state order on April 24, allowing nail salons, hairdressers, bowling alleys and gyms to reopen so long as they followed state protocols. Restaurants and theaters were given the go-ahead three days later.

 

Pretty interesting read, and surprisingly unbiased reporting from Bloomberg

Looks like the warm weather may be helping. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Looks like the warm weather may be helping. 

Whatever it is, let’s hope it continues. 

[Hawkeye21 2,406]

1 hour ago, DonS said:

Ya don't say?  I gathered that. 

I liked him in True Lies, but cant think of anything else of note he's done aside from being married to Roseanne Barr.

Best Damn Sports Show Period. Had some small roles in other movies. True Lies was by far his best movie. He’s a bit of a nut job. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Best Damn Sports Show Period. Had some small roles in other movies. True Lies was by far his best movie. He’s a bit of a nut job. 

He’s like Newbie. But more successful. 

[Leeson 54]

43 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I answered this already but I'll say it a different way.  I proposed that we put in an infrastructure to provide money to people with conditions like T1D with support money during the crisis, if they aren't comfortable working in public.  That being said, with your daughter getting a Masters and working with lab animals, she will be working with a high-level professional company that will be making every accommodation to make sure she is safe.  If not let me know.  At this point I feel compelled to ask:  is her sugar out of control?  If so I understand.  If not you are coming off like a bit of a helicopter parent.

The lemons comment was about her possibly needing to make sacrifices.  She will need to wear a mask, and gloves, and take every precaution.  Or if her sugar is in control, she can take more risks, get COVID, and have the same survival rate as the rest of us.

Helicopter parent. Lol. I'm relaying her concerns. And mine as a parent. I have another adult son still at home that works full time. I expect him to go to work, but to use common sense to protect himself as much as possible. My household is the an example of what this country is like. She wants to take every precaution to stay safe. My son acts like "who cares, it's no big deal." Her numbers are under control as far as she tells me. I haven't had to manage her blood sugars for about 8 years. She's 23 now. Has the CGM, insulin pump and I don't go to the endocrinologist with her anymore. She was also diagnosed with a thyroid problem about 3 years ago. 

If I didn't have a daughter with Type 1, this pandemic would have very little effect on me personally. I can hang out at home indefinitely making money off this crazy stock market swings. 

 

[Strike 5,628]

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These facts tell us that if you are under age 65 and in good health, you have a greater than 99.8% chance overcoming the virus if you even get sick.

http://nsjonline.com/article/2020/05/murphy-one-size-solutions-do-not-fit-all-problems/

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He’s like Newbie. But more successful. 

Fixed for accuracy.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

[Fireballer 2,648]

13 minutes ago, drobeski said:

 

Remind me not to eat fruit named Elizabeth from Tanzania

[wiffleball 4,790]

Literally, 0 guests at arcitys covid quarantine facility. And you see all these stories of field hospitals being torn down.

Yet, somehow this is a deadly virus that spreads like wildfire.

 

Uh huh.

[The Observer 641]

25 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Literally, 0 guests at arcitys covid quarantine facility. And you see all these stories of field hospitals being torn down.

Yet, somehow this is a deadly virus that spreads like wildfire.

 

Uh huh.

This was the goal. This is why we closed things up and sheltered-in-place.  It's like being smart and buying a fire extinguisher and then using it put out a kitchen fire and then saying that fire isn't really dangerous because it didn't burn your whole house down. 

[drobeski 3,061]

I've put masks on all my fruit. They should be safe.

 

[Leeson 54]

7 minutes ago, drobeski said:

I've put masks on all my fruit. They should be safe.

 

I thought you weren't wearing a mask? 

[drobeski 3,061]

1 minute ago, Leeson said:

I thought you weren't wearing a mask? 

No I'm sacrificing to save the fruit.  

[bandrus1 413]

Hitting a little closer to home. Good fishing buddy of mine daughter (5) has been sick for 2 weeks with a 100 fever off and on all day and started saying her chest hurts. DR said she has a lot of bad symptoms and sent them to drive in testing.

Daughter who is actually sick came back inconclusive (most likely due to not holding still for the deep nasal swab) and mom who is not sick came back positive. Out of most people I know they have been being very careful and been pretty shut in. 

[drobeski 3,061]

42 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Literally, 0 guests at arcitys covid quarantine facility. And you see all these stories of field hospitals being torn down.

Yet, somehow this is a deadly virus that spreads like wildfire.

 

Uh huh.

Yeah Coumo chose not to utilize the ship and the convention center that were heroically provided for seniors who tested positive for covid. He chose to force them to go to nursing homes where it spread like wild fire and killed over 5k.

Great leadership there, Hitler would be proud of him. 

[Leeson 54]

6 minutes ago, drobeski said:

No I'm sacrificing to save the fruit.  

Just to be clear, you're not wearing a mask to protest how things have been handled?

 

[Reality 3,121]

47 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Literally, 0 guests at arcitys covid quarantine facility. And you see all these stories of field hospitals being torn down.

Yet, somehow this is a deadly virus that spreads like wildfire.

 

Uh huh.

 

20 minutes ago, The Observer said:

This was the goal. This is why we closed things up and sheltered-in-place.  It's like being smart and buying a fire extinguisher and then using it put out a kitchen fire and then saying that fire isn't really dangerous because it didn't burn your whole house down. 

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851712311/u-s-field-hospitals-stand-down-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients

U.S. Field Hospitals Stand Down, Most Without Treating Any COVID-19 Patients

Speaks to the impressive job done by local and state Governments with the help of the Trump admin.

[Reality 3,121]

10 hours ago, Strike said:

http://nsjonline.com/article/2020/05/murphy-one-size-solutions-do-not-fit-all-problems/

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We know that 80% of the individuals who tested positive for exposure to the virus, either did not know they had been exposed to it or had minimal symptoms. These facts tell us that if you are under age 65 and in good health, you have a greater than 99.8% chance overcoming the virus if you even get sick. Why does the media not accentuate that fact?

It's a great question, fear sells.  

[The Observer 641]

1 minute ago, Reality said:

It's a great question, fear sells.  

beacuse the 80% who don't even know they have it, can still spread it to other people. And those people may not fare as well. I think we have 87,000 examples of that

[Leeson 54]

We can solve all of this if we just do mass testing. Fear is effecting everything and the only way to get past it is to have a quick/simple test that determines if you have it, or have had it and have antibodies. 

People are afraid of the unknown. Make it known and the fear goes away.

 

[The Observer 641]

3 minutes ago, Leeson said:

We can solve all of this if we just do mass testing. Fear is effecting everything and the only way to get past it is to have a quick/simple test that determines if you have it, or have had it and have antibodies. 

People are afraid of the unknown. Make it known and the fear goes away.

 

Trump said yesterday that the only reason we have so many cases is because of all the testing. And if we didn't test we wouldn't have cases. (Yes, the president of our country said that).

This is a HUGE breakthrough. If we stop testing for cancer, that will go away too.  Ooof

[Leeson 54]

15 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Trump said yesterday that the only reason we have so many cases is because of all the testing. And if we didn't test we wouldn't have cases. (Yes, the president of our country said that).

This is a HUGE breakthrough. If we stop testing for cancer, that will go away too.  Ooof

It's working for North Korea.

[drobeski 3,061]

They must be dropping like flies in Georgia.  Any updates on the carnage ?

[Reality 3,121]

8 minutes ago, drobeski said:

They must be dropping like flies in Georgia.  Any updates on the carnage ?

Best to ignore Georgia, we're here for the fear.

[Leeson 54]

19 minutes ago, drobeski said:

They must be dropping like flies in Georgia.  Any updates on the carnage ?

Do we all live in Georgia?

[Reality 3,121]

2 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Do we all live in Georgia?

Oh, I know this one.  No. What do I win?

[Leeson 54]

Just now, Reality said:

Oh, I know this one.  No. What do I win?

Drobeski's mask. (he won't be needing it)