Systemic Racism

[MedStudent 56]

On 9/2/2020 at 1:47 PM, iam90sbaby said:

https://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

Very in-depth yet dumbed down article I think you'll be able to grasp.

Also remember Somalians are considered white to the US Census so any crime they commit falls in the white category and despite that 13/51 is still true.

Just so ya know. I won't click on white supremacists links. Amren? you serious? You focken racist. 

[MedStudent 56]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you want to play the conviction game you say? You don’t. Half of murder cases in major cities are “open cases”.And that’s being generous.  I guess those victims didn’t die or maybe there are white supremacists going into Baltimore and Chicago and doing them?  You’re out of your league kiddo. 

I want someone to show where this number came from and what it actually means.

[Casual Observer 597]

4 minutes ago, MedStudent said:

Just so ya know. I won't click on white supremacists links. Amren? you serious? You focken racist. 

You did say White Supremacist and not Nazi, but somehow I doubt Edwin Rubinstein, the author of the linked piece, is a white supremacist.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,205]

16 minutes ago, MedStudent said:

I want someone to show where this number came from and what it actually means.

You’re the one who brought up convictions, as if that’s some kind of indicator. It’s not. Dead bodies full of bullet holes is much more reliable. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

50 minutes ago, MedStudent said:

I want someone to show where this number came from and what it actually means.

Here is a link to an article written a handful of years ago.  They link the source as the Bureau of Justice Statistics, in which they show black people (13% of the population), are responsible for 52.5% of the homicides in the US.

 

From the BJS, they note that 90% of homicides are committed by men.  That makes black men to be much worse.  If we assume that half the population is male, then basically, you're looking at approximately 6.5% of the population being responsible for 47% of the homicides in the US.

[Baker Boy 1,712]

On 9/2/2020 at 9:48 AM, MedStudent said:

Lets establish the 51% of crimes number. Is that arrests in the US? Convictions? I have an FBI list from  that shows 70% of arrests were white and 27% black in 2016. 

70% of victims of violent crimes, by people they don’t know, report there assailants as Black.

[Baker Boy 1,712]

3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Here is a link to an article written a handful of years ago.  They link the source as the Bureau of Justice Statistics, in which they show black people (13% of the population), are responsible for 52.5% of the homicides in the US.

 

From the BJS, they note that 90% of homicides are committed by men.  That makes black men to be much worse.  If we assume that half the population is male, then basically, you're looking at approximately 6.5% of the population being responsible for 47% of the homicides in the US.

You can eliminate by age too, the very young and very old. I saw a stat that stated black males between the ages of 15 and 35 commit over 50% of the violent crime in the USA. 3% of the population, I don’t understand why Black Americas feels they have to protect them.

[RLLD 4,283]

On 9/2/2020 at 2:40 PM, RLLD said:

Can anyone point to a law, policy or anything where racism exists yet?

I know it is common to use statistics from behaviors as a proof point, but I am wondering which policy or law is an example....

Circling back.  This is a question I ask repeatedly and for which there is no answer.

So we are chasing ghosts.  The typical reply involves some use of statistics to prove existence, followed by "everyone is racist in their mind".  Which is to say every WHITE person is somehow racist of course.

So people behave in negative ways and receive negative outcomes and where that happens at an elevated level we assume white people are behind it, and are always evil.

THAT is how evil people actually think......

[MDC 8,223]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Circling back.  This is a question I ask repeatedly and for which there is no answer.

So we are chasing ghosts.  The typical reply involves some use of statistics to prove existence, followed by "everyone is racist in their mind".  Which is to say every WHITE person is somehow racist of course.

So people behave in negative ways and receive negative outcomes and where that happens at an elevated level we assume white people are behind it, and are always evil.

THAT is how evil people actually think......

Bowling for strawmen.

[Baker Boy 1,712]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Circling back.  This is a question I ask repeatedly and for which there is no answer.

So we are chasing ghosts.  The typical reply involves some use of statistics to prove existence, followed by "everyone is racist in their mind".  Which is to say every WHITE person is somehow racist of course.

So people behave in negative ways and receive negative outcomes and where that happens at an elevated level we assume white people are behind it, and are always evil.

THAT is how evil people actually think......

I said affirmative action but no one will except that. But it is clearing Racism

[Hardcore troubadour 16,205]

Rise above it. 
 

[MedStudent 56]

16 hours ago, Casual Observer said:

You did say White Supremacist and not Nazi, but somehow I doubt Edwin Rubinstein, the author of the linked piece, is a white supremacist.

Its a white Supremacist organization. The founder considers Jews white. But from this article it looks like not everyone agrees with him:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/american-renaissance

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Founded by Jared Taylor in 1990, the New Century Foundation is a self-styled think tank that promotes pseudo-scientific studies and research that purport to show the inferiority of blacks to whites — although in hifalutin language that avoids open racial slurs and attempts to portray itself as serious scholarship. It is best known for its American Renaissance magazine and website, which regularly feature proponents of eugenics and blatant anti-black racists. The foundation also sponsors American Renaissance conferences every other year where racist "intellectuals" rub shoulders with Klansmen, neo-Nazis and other white supremacists.

In Its Own Words

"In fact, blacks and Hispanics are, compared to whites, far more likely to be poor, illiterate, on welfare, or in jail; they are far more likely to have illegitimate children, be addicted to drugs, or have AIDS. By no definition of international competitiveness can the presence of these populations be anything but a disadvantage." 
— "‘Who Speaks for Us?' (A Word of Introduction to Our Readers)," American Renaissance, 1990

"There is a difference between blacks and whites — analogous to the difference in intelligence — in psychopathic personality considered as a personality trait. ... For psychopathic personality, the mean and distribution are higher among blacks. The effect of this is that there are more black psychopaths and more psychopathic behavior among blacks."
— Richard Lynn, American Renaissance, 2002

"Blacks and whites are different. When blacks are left entirely to their own devices, Western civilization — any kind of civilization — disappears."
— Jared Taylor, American Renaissance, 2005

Background

The New Century Foundation is headed by Jared Taylor, who also edits American Renaissance, which presents itself as a forum for open-minded thinkers not afraid to take on the racial taboos of the time without stooping to racial epithets and the like. But, regardless of its calm tone and academic look and feel, the magazine openly peddles white nationalism and Taylor supports the idea of America as "a self-consciously European, majority-white nation" which he argues was "the original conception of [the U.S.], and one that was almost universally accepted until the 1960s." In 2002, for instance, American Renaissance published an article by race scientist Richard Lynn (see Pioneer Fund) under the title "Race and the Psychopathic Personality" that argued that blacks "are more psychopathic than whites" and suffer from a "personality disorder" characterized by a poverty of feeling, lack of shame, pathological lying and so on. After Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans in 2005, the magazine ratcheted up its customary attacks on black people, particularly in an error-ridden essay by Taylor that said the hurricane "was an excuse [for blacks] to loot, rob, rape and kill." American Renaissance, based at Taylor's home in Oakton, Va., also publishes frequent articles on the discredited field of eugenics, which promotes selective breeding to improve human genetic stock. 

The foundation's website, featuring stories on black crime and the like, had risen by 2008 to one of the top 20,000 in the world after a makeover that added a daily feature posting news articles of interest to racists. In recent years, Taylor has added several budding young racist intellectuals to his staff, including Ian Jobling the website editor and E-list moderator until 2006 who now heads his own racist group, Inverted World, and Stephen Webster, assistant editor of American Renaissance. New Century Foundation also publishes other works on race, including Taylor's 1992 book, Paved With Good Intentions, which argued that because sterilizing welfare mothers would not be publicly accepted, authorities should instead insert into such women "five-year implantable contraceptives."

Since 1994, the New Century Foundation has also played host to American Renaissance conferences, suit-and-tie affairs that attract a broad spectrum of participants from the racist right, including neo-Nazis, white supremacists, Ku Klux Klan members, Holocaust deniers and eugenicists. The conferences even have an international presence. In 2002, for instance, speakers included Nick Griffin, leader of the neofascist British National Party, and Bruno Gollnisch, who was then second in command of Jean Marie Le Pen's immigrant-bashing National Front in France.

One issue that has proven problematic for Taylor and his foundation has been anti-Semitism. Taylor, unlike many on the radical right, is known for his lack of anti-Semitism and for including racist Jews in his events. He told MSNBC-TV interviewer Phil Donahue in 2003 that Jews "are fine by me" and "look white to me." At one point, he even banned discussion of the so-called "Jewish question" from American Renaissance venues, and, by 1997, he had kicked Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis off his E-mail list. Despite these efforts, Taylor also has continued to allow people like Don Black, the former Klan leader who runs the neo-Nazi Stormfront.org web forum, and Jamie Kelso, a Stormfront moderator, to attend his biannual American Renaissance Conferences. The problem for Taylor is that many of the most active participants at the American Renaissance Conferences and the most committed members of the American radical right are openly and passionately anti-Semitic. To ban them would devastate Taylor's efforts to make his journal and conferences flagship institutions of American radical right.

Despite Taylor's best efforts to keep the internal peace, this long-smoldering issue finally burst into the open when David Duke, the former Klan leader and author of Jewish Supremacism, grabbed the microphone at the 2006 American Renaissance Conference and went on a thinly veiled anti-Semitic rant about "a power in the world that dominates our media, influences our government and that has led to the internal destruction of our will and spirit." In response, Michael Hart, a Jewish astrophysicist and long-time conference attendee, leaped from his seat and declared, "You f------ Nazi, you've disgraced this meeting." What ensued was a testy back and forth in which Duke supporters, including Black and Kelso, jeered Hart's comments and others, who backed Hart, denounced Duke. This incident set off a months-long battle of words, with each side declaring that the other was undermining the broader efforts of the movement. 

 

[RLLD 4,283]

26 minutes ago, MDC said:

Bowling for strawmen.

Nested by a Red Herring.,..

[Casual Observer 597]

43 minutes ago, MedStudent said:

Its a white Supremacist organization. The founder considers Jews white. But from this article it looks like not everyone agrees with him:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/american-renaissance

 

Not everyone, like the SPLC.  We don't care what those Bolsheviks think or have to say about anything.  Do you suppose Mr. Rubinstein views himself as a white supremacist?

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

19 hours ago, MedStudent said:

Just so ya know. I won't click on white supremacists links. Amren? you serious? You focken racist. 

I prefer the term American Nationalist 

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

3 hours ago, MedStudent said:

Its a white Supremacist organization. The founder considers Jews white. But from this article it looks like not everyone agrees with him:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/american-renaissance

 

 

[Voltaire 5,538]

2 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

I prefer the term American Nationalist 

I worry doing that conflates the racists with the non-racist elements on the right. Reading the AmRen SPLC piece, which I take with a grain of salt as I am familiar with the biases and credibility issues they have themselves, I do have to hand it to the AmRen people for taking a stand to include Jews in their organization. I worry they court trouble reaching out to white nationalists by having David Duke speak at their events, which apparently, in doing so, blew up on them. Would they also reach out to include any ethnic group that supports/promotes Western values be they black, hispanic, east / south Asian or anyone else?

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

20 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I worry doing that conflates the racists with the non-racist elements on the right. Reading the AmRen SPLC piece, which I take with a grain of salt as I am familiar with the biases and credibility issues they have themselves, I do have to hand it to the AmRen people for taking a stand to include Jews in their organization. I worry they court trouble reaching out to white nationalists by having David Duke speak at their events, which apparently, in doing so, blew up on them. Would they also reach out to include any ethnic group that supports/promotes Western values be they black, hispanic, east / south Asian or anyone else?

Everyone is racist to an extent and it's completely natural, that's why there is so much pushback for multiculturalism and diversity because it goes against human nature. Americans with European backgrounds are clearly better at keeping western values alive, that's a fact. 

[Voltaire 5,538]

3 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Everyone is racist to an extent and it's completely natural, that's why there is so much pushback for multiculturalism and diversity because it goes against human nature. Americans with European backgrounds are clearly better at keeping western values alive, that's a fact. 

How would Michelle Malkin be treated by AmRen? 

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

5 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

How would Michelle Malkin be treated by AmRen? 

Michelle Malkin is a groyper and openly supports the movement, she can stay. 

[Voltaire 5,538]

10 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Michelle Malkin is a groyper and openly supports the movement, she can stay 

Thanks for clarifying. It's good to know that it's not so racist as the SPLC's labeling would have it appear if all races are welcome. Between MM and the Jewish guy, if you buy into their values, no matter your ethnic origin, you're good to go.

The problem then for AmRen becomes guilt by association for being on friendly enough terms with white nationalist groups such that they invited David Duke to speak at an event, who proceeds to chill the air with his Jewish comments, rather than being white nationalists themselves. Or at least that's my interpretation based on how the SPLC described the situation from medstudent's link.

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

7 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Thanks for clarifying. It's good to know that it's not so racist as the SPLC's labeling would have it appear if all races are welcome. Between MM and the Jewish guy, if you buy into their values, no matter your ethnic origin, you're good to go.

The problem then for AmRen becomes guilt by association for being on friendly enough terms with white nationalist groups such that they invited David Duke to speak at an event, who proceeds to chill the air with his Jewish comments, rather than being white nationalists themselves. Or at least that's my interpretation based on how the SPLC described the situation from medstudent's link.

Is there this much concern for minority groups around the world or is it just western countries destroying themselves from within? 

The reason china will exist in 200, 500 or 2000 years is because they understand one simple fact that no one but themselves can promote Chinese values.

[Voltaire 5,538]

2 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Is there this much concern for minority groups around the world or is it just western countries destroying themselves from within? 

Ha! Ha! Not even close. Just Western countries.

I do think we should set a higher standard though. And that the philosophy, values, and rights established should apply to, and serve as a guide for others.

[Fireballer 2,709]

Whatever "systemic racism" is, looks like Herbstreit thinks we have a bad case of it. Watch the whole thing.

 

 

[Gladiators 2,039]

9 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Whatever "systemic racism" is, looks like Herbstreit thinks we have a bad case of it. Watch the whole thing.

 

 

What in the actual fuk was that? I was half expecting him to say at the very end, “They have my wife and kids” before cutting out.
 

On a positive note, looks like the bored lefties have a new hero.

[Fireballer 2,709]

1 hour ago, Gladiators said:

What in the actual fuk was that? I was half expecting him to say at the very end, “They have my wife and kids” before cutting out.
 

On a positive note, looks like the bored lefties have a new hero.

Yeah, this make Brees look like David Duke. Hes been silent on this "systemic racism" until now as as far as I know.  So now, all of a sudden, it brings you to tears? They will still come for him.

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Whatever "systemic racism" is, looks like Herbstreit thinks we have a bad case of it. Watch the whole thing.

 

 

Holy shlt. No way to unsee that. I can't wait to vote. It sucks to see people be so stupid.

[KSB2424 3,174]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Whatever "systemic racism" is, looks like Herbstreit thinks we have a bad case of it. Watch the whole thing.

 

 

Again, this is another macro discussion with buzz words.  Systemic Racism.  What EXACTLY are “we” trying to change. Tangible is a key word.  It’s one of the reasons I started this thread.  Just virtue signalling does nothing.  I’m a human being, have heart, what are we really talking about here?  We need exact and pointed recommendations.  A cop making a split second decision?  
 

I tried to go down the root cause analysis driveway but only Skids went with me.  

[nobody 2,978]

Man, I hope no one shows him the stats on people killed by persons other than cops.  He'll be crying for weeks.

[Gladiators 2,039]

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/black-trump-supporters-message

These guys get it. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

Man, I hope no one shows him the stats on people killed by persons other than cops.  He'll be crying for weeks.

He won't. Those lives don't matter.

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Whatever "systemic racism" is, looks like Herbstreit thinks we have a bad case of it. Watch the whole thing.

 

 

Did you all notice the black chick pretending to wipe tears from her eyes? Twice.

[Gladiators 2,039]

1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

Did you all notice the black chick pretending to wipe tears from her eyes? Twice.

I think she was doing her best not to burst out laughing.

[Utilit99 4,099]

Just now, Gladiators said:

I think she was doing her best not to burst out laughing.

No f^cking doubt about that.

[Strike 6,117]

So, this report came out trying to suggest that most of these demonstrations are peaceful.  And, technically, they're right.  But even using their numbers, which I'm not sure are accurate, they acknowledge there have been around 700 violent demonstrations over the last four months in 220 different locations.  That's not ok.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/blm-protests-peaceful-report-trnd/

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

So, this report came out trying to suggest that most of these demonstrations are peaceful.  And, technically, they're right.  But even using their numbers, which I'm not sure are accurate, they acknowledge there have been around 700 violent demonstrations over the last four months in 220 different locations.  That's not ok.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/blm-protests-peaceful-report-trnd/

Pick a number. 30 peaceful demonstrators does not equal the violence caused to destroying a business by others in their group. 

These people need to be put down.

[Fireballer 2,709]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

Again, this is another macro discussion with buzz words.  Systemic Racism.  What EXACTLY are “we” trying to change. Tangible is a key word.  It’s one of the reasons I started this thread.  Just virtue signalling does nothing.  I’m a human being, have heart, what are we really talking about here?  We need exact and pointed recommendations.  A cop making a split second decision?  
 

I tried to go down the root cause analysis driveway but only Skids went with me.  

Well, yeah.  Thats the beauty of this whole thing.  Its a moving target based on emotion.  Everyone knows theres no laws thats are racist. 

Have you read the 1619 project by chance?  Although heavily debunked, thats the closest Ive seen anyone admitting what systemic racism is.  Its the countries systems being built on the backs of blacks with no reparations. And, the holdover mindsets that have placed blacks in a disadvantaged position.  Therefore, our systems must be torn down.  But now, weve circled back around to this "systemic racism" being a moving target within our systems.  So, in a nutshell, systemic racism is a red herring.  The bottom line is we are seeing a class war disguised as a race war.  Thats it literally.  Its a class war using blacks as pawns.  No one truly wants you to know what systemic racism is.  

[Boots11234 108]

4 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Whatever "systemic racism" is, looks like Herbstreit thinks we have a bad case of it. Watch the whole thing.

 

 

WHO DA FUKKKKKKK IS THIS CUCK???

[Mark Davis 442]

5 hours ago, Gladiators said:

What in the actual fuk was that? I was half expecting him to say at the very end, “They have my wife and kids” before cutting out.
 

On a positive note, looks like the bored lefties have a new hero.

It's pitiful to see this kind of thing.  He's sad because black people are scared of the police.  I honestly believe many are and that is sad.  But the fact is the numbers don't give a reason for them to be.  There isn't a disproportionate rate of death to encounters with police by race.  However, the MSM plays this up and uses this to pit us against one another.  If they'd only cover the true issue of crime in the major cities and the young people being murdered on a daily basis maybe we could truly work together on that.  But that doesn't fit a political agenda of any kind so not a word.  The media keeps showing these videos and the narrative is only black people are killed by police.  The truth is if I did the same thing Blake did that I'd be dead too.

[Gladiators 2,039]

11 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

It's pitiful to see this kind of thing.  He's sad because black people are scared of the police.  I honestly believe many are and that is sad.  But the fact is the numbers don't give a reason for them to be.  There isn't a disproportionate rate of death to encounters with police by race.  However, the MSM plays this up and uses this to pit us against one another.  If they'd only cover the true issue of crime in the major cities and the young people being murdered on a daily basis maybe we could truly work together on that.  But that doesn't fit a political agenda of any kind so not a word.  The media keeps showing these videos and the narrative is only black people are killed by police.  The truth is if I did the same thing Blake did that I'd be dead too.

100%. The MSM, professional athletes, liberal leaders and talking heads never plead with these criminals to comply with the police officer’s requests. There’s no mention that they won’t get shot if they follow orders.

The MSM paints the picture they want and the athletes, talking heads and liberal leaders are stupid enough to buy it.