Slowly normalizing pedophilia

[GutterBoy 2,899]

WTF?  Alright this thread just got real creepy.  I'm out.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

WTF?  Alright this thread just got real creepy.  I'm out.

 Nice try, Chester the molestor. 

[TheNewGirl 1,504]

43 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

But again, that's an arbitrary number.  Girls start puberty at age 9, boys 11.  Those are the "prepubescent" ages.  Why is 13 the number?  Why not 8?  If that's the case, why not have California (and everyone else by proxy), lower their age down to 9 instead of 14? 

My nephew is 13.  He has friends in the age bracket of 11 to 15.  Among the girls, there are a few 11 year olds who look 20... there are a few 15 year olds who look 9.  Of course, I'm not condoning it, I'm simply pointing out that when you have an arbitrary number, an argument can be made to move it.  The younger kids are when you normalize their sexuality, the closer you get to accepting lower the "arbitrary" age.

I agree with the "sickness" part.  But haven't liberals already started on normalizing sicknesses?  "Gender dysphoria" is a sickness... and it's "ok".

Yes, puberty is subjective to the child; that's why they say "Prepubescent children." They use the arbitrary age of 13 since that's the average for girls and boys. Girls usually hit puberty around 10 or 11, boys 11 or 12. If you're any older than that, it's entirely possible to NOT have hit puberty at 14 or 15 if you're  late bloomer. 

And the points you're making are the same ones I made a couple of pages back, and no one really listened, so good luck. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,559]

14 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

Yes, puberty is subjective to the child; that's why they say "Prepubescent children." They use the arbitrary age of 13 since that's the average for girls and boys. Girls usually hit puberty around 10 or 11, boys 11 or 12. If you're any older than that, it's entirely possible to NOT have hit puberty at 14 or 15 if you're  late bloomer. 

And the points you're making are the same ones I made a couple of pages back, and no one really listened, so good luck. 

Well, at least there's two of us on the same page.  

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Board libs...tell us why you think adults molesting little kids is okay. 
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22 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

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Board libs...tell us why you think adults molesting little kids is okay. 
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You are not trying to have any legit conversation with comments like this.  No one, absolutely no one here has said they are okay with adults molesting kids.

[jerryskids 6,863]

2 hours ago, tubby_mcgee said:

Libs normalizing pedphilia 1

 

Interesting article.  I could argue that in a way it is the opposite of your claim, since the liberals are vehemently against the topic of the TedX talk.  Perhaps not surprisingly, I agree with the talk at a high level, or at least the summary in the article. And I understand the fear of the left from the concept.

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A TEDx speaker has argued that pedophilia should be accepted as “an unchangeable sexual orientation.”

Mirjam Heine presented her talk “Pedophilia is a natural sexual orientation” at the University of Würtzberg in Germany, and said that pedophilia is like any other sexual orientation.

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“According to current research pedophilia is an unchangeable sexual orientation just like, for example, heterosexuality. No one chooses to be a pedophile, no one can cease being one,” Heine argued. “The difference between pedophilia and other sexual orientations is that living out this sexual orientation will end in a disaster.”

While Heine clarified her comments by noting that “abusing children is wrong without any doubt,” she said that a “pedophile who doesn’t abuse children has done nothing wrong.”

She also said that accepting pedophiles and encouraging them to not pursue their desires will help end their “suffering.”

“We shouldn’t increase the sufferings of pedophiles by excluding them, by blaming and mocking them,” she said. “By doing that, we increase their isolation and we increase the chance of child sexual abuse.”

She added: “We should accept that pedophiles are people who have not chosen their sexuality and who, unlike most of us, will never be able to live it out freely…. Most of us feel discomfort when we think about pedophiles. But just like pedophiles, we are not responsible for our feelings. We do not choose them but we are responsible for our actions.”

Heine’s talk, especially the notion that pedophilia is a sexual orientation like others, led to a swift backlash from the internet community.

In addition, it threatened to dredge up a frequent right-wing argument that advancing LGBTQ rights would eventually lead to the normalization of pedophilia — for instance, ChurchMilitant.com’s headline shouted “Next Up For Normalization: Pedophilia.”

According to Inquisitr, Heine’s talk was also heavily criticized by her academic peers, who argued that she failed to understand the research she cited to justify her argument and that her argument frequently changed over the course of the talk.

Behavioral psychologist and therapist Dr. Linda Mintle told CBN News that she disagreed with Heine’s presentation, saying: “Pedophilic disorder is a mental disorder. It is one type of mental disorder in the category of paraphilias.”

The American Psychiatric Association currently classifies pedophilia as a disorder in the “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.”

Due to the backlash it received, TEDx eventually removed the video, though it has been widely copied and reposted on YouTube.

It makes sense that pedophilia would be nature vs nurture:  nobody would choose to have it, and everyone would want to get rid of it if they could.

Problem for the Left is that “[insert sexual difference] is physiological, it’s natural for such people” is an argument used by the alphabet crowd, and if we add pedophilia to the list, the statement becomes less absolute, and now must be qualified by the specific behavior.  This of course opens the slipper slope they describe, where opponents can argue that this is a path to normalization for pedophilia.  Or, as I’ve advocated before, discussion around research and counseling to help reduce the drive to act on [insert sexual difference].  Basically the idea that something is “wrong” with such behaviors.  Personally I prefer “unwanted,” as I believe many non-hetero people would prefer to be heterosexual, if they could.

The opposing arguments are weak sauce as well.  Basically the psychiatric community is saying “pedophilia is a mental disorder and not a natural sexual orientation because… we decided it and we say so, dammit!”

Objectively, acceptance of the premise that pedophilia is a natural sexual occurrence is a slippery slope to normalizing it.  To be consistent, if you support the argument for [sexual difference], you would do so for pedophilia as well.  The person but not the behavior of course — hate the sin but love the sinner, right?  It will be interesting to see how this plays out over time.

Anyway, it’s a complex topic where different sides are taking, pardon the pun, “unnatural” positions on it.   

[Utilit99 4,099]

On 6/17/2021 at 10:09 AM, Utilit99 said:

The supreme leader at work.

 

Remember this treat that our president was giving little girls? 

[vuduchile 1,945]

10 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Interesting article.  I could argue that in a way it is the opposite of your claim, since the liberals are vehemently against the topic of the TedX talk.  Perhaps not surprisingly, I agree with the talk at a high level, or at least the summary in the article. And I understand the fear of the left from the concept.

It makes sense that pedophilia would be nature vs nurture:  nobody would choose to have it, and everyone would want to get rid of it if they could.

Problem for the Left is that “[insert sexual difference] is physiological, it’s natural for such people” is an argument used by the alphabet crowd, and if we add pedophilia to the list, the statement becomes less absolute, and now must be qualified by the specific behavior.  This of course opens the slipper slope they describe, where opponents can argue that this is a path to normalization for pedophilia.  Or, as I’ve advocated before, discussion around research and counseling to help reduce the drive to act on [insert sexual difference].  Basically the idea that something is “wrong” with such behaviors.  Personally I prefer “unwanted,” as I believe many non-hetero people would prefer to be heterosexual, if they could.

The opposing arguments are weak sauce as well.  Basically the psychiatric community is saying “pedophilia is a mental disorder and not a natural sexual orientation because… we decided it and we say so, dammit!”

Objectively, acceptance of the premise that pedophilia is a natural sexual occurrence is a slippery slope to normalizing it.  To be consistent, if you support the argument for [sexual difference], you would do so for pedophilia as well.  The person but not the behavior of course — hate the sin but love the sinner, right?  It will be interesting to see how this plays out over time.

Anyway, it’s a complex topic where different sides are taking, pardon the pun, “unnatural” positions on it.   

The thing that makes pedophilia so revolting is that it’s victims are the most innocent and defenseless people in our society.   

I can’t fathom anyone wanting to terrorize a kid like that, but it happens every day.  

As a society, we have to draw the line somewhere, and sex with minors is certainly a line we can all stand behind.   So I think we’ll have a hard time accepting it as a natural sexual occurrence.  

But what do I know? 

I still don’t buy the “born this way” explanation for all gay people.  
 

 

 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

On 7/12/2021 at 10:06 PM, GutterBoy said:

Exactly.  I know these Trump people are all scared of the lefties, but we can all agree that sex with kids = bad, and that's never gonna change.

Five years ago we would have agreed that giving hormone blockers to a 10 year old is horrible. Now you're a bigot if you refuse. 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

On 7/12/2021 at 10:11 PM, GutterBoy said:

It's human nature to know that sex with kids = bad.  It will never be normalized.

Has been normalized in a variety of different cultures. Greece, Rome, Arab, to name a few. 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

On 7/12/2021 at 10:11 PM, GutterBoy said:

It's human nature to know that sex with kids = bad.  It will never be normalized.

Has been normalized in a variety of different cultures. Greece, Rome, Arab, to name a few. 

[jerryskids 6,863]

10 hours ago, vuduchile said:

The thing that makes pedophilia so revolting is that it’s victims are the most innocent and defenseless people in our society.   

I can’t fathom anyone wanting to terrorize a kid like that, but it happens every day.  

As a society, we have to draw the line somewhere, and sex with minors is certainly a line we can all stand behind.   So I think we’ll have a hard time accepting it as a natural sexual occurrence.  

But what do I know? 

I still don’t buy the “born this way” explanation for all gay people.  
 

 

 

I did not read it to mean “natural sexual occurrence” means that society should accept the behavior; in fact she says we shouldn’t.  More so it is not clinically a mental illness, any more than other alphabet sexual preferences are mental illnesses.

”Born this way” does not explain all gay people, this is accepted in science.  I posted a link to an article explaining it recently.  Unfortunately a certain portion of our country believes in science only as long as science fits their worldview.

[vuduchile 1,945]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I did not read it to mean “natural sexual occurrence” means that society should accept the behavior; in fact she says we shouldn’t.  More so it is not clinically a mental illness, any more than other alphabet sexual preferences are mental illnesses.

”Born this way” does not explain all gay people, this is accepted in science.  I posted a link to an article explaining it recently.  Unfortunately a certain portion of our country believes in science only as long as science fits their worldview.

Yes, I understand that.  I just don't know if I agree with all of it.

You're saying that accepting those other behaviors as "natural sexual occurrences" creates a quandary for those who see them as similar. 

I suppose there are different levels of sickness, and I have to believe some pedos are wired differently than others.

Maybe they aren't driven by a specific attraction to children.  Rather, they're just rapists who prey upon the easiest targets and those they can manipulate to keep quiet.  

 

[Fireballer 2,644]

 I was wrong in this thread. I've seen the light.  Let's celebrate with some kids just dancing.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

 I was wrong in this thread. I've seen the light.  Let's celebrate with some kids just dancing.

 

Some cultures are worse than others. Is there any denying that at this point? 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

On 7/13/2021 at 12:58 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

The pedophiles and their enablers in the church failed. Obviously. Did I say they didn’t try? I’m sure the pedophiles in the church would like their behavior to be accepted. Just like pedophiles everywhere. But I guess it’s only the pedos in the church that bother you. Unlike real men who think pedos everywhere are abhorrent and anything assimilated with it should be rejected on sight and not tolerated. You instead just view it through your partisan, political lens. And it’s sick. 

Of course all pedos everywhere bother me. They should all get a bullet to the head.

It's just a lot harder to catch and punish the ones that have a multinational, multi billion dollar organization carrying the water for them.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

12 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Of course all pedos everywhere bother me. They should all get a bullet to the head.

It's just a lot harder to catch and punish the ones that have a multinational, multi billion dollar organization carrying the water for them.

And the church isn’t the only one. Pedophilia has been accepted and covered up by many institutions and religions throughout history.  You know this. 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

And the church isn’t the only one. Pedophilia has been accepted and covered up by many institutions and religions throughout history.  You know this. 

Of course. They're the ones who got most prominently caught.

They are also the one who claim to represent the loving and eternal God, which makes it worse.

But you are right, in sure Muslim immams and Hindu priests bugger kids daily, and nobody cares.

I like to think our culture is better than that.

So please don't think my ire is ONLY for the catholic church.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

3 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Of course. They're the ones who got most prominently caught.

They are also the one who claim to represent the loving and eternal God, which makes it worse.

But you are right, in sure Muslim immams and Hindu priests bugger kids daily, and nobody cares.

I like to think our culture is better than that.

So please don't think my ire is ONLY for the catholic church.

Ok. But the message of Jesus, which is the whole point of the church,  doesn’t lose any of its luster because of some scumbags that inhabit the church, be they pedophiles or hypocrites. 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok. But the message of Jesus, which is the whole point of the church,  doesn’t lose any of its luster because of some scumbags that inhabit the church, be they pedophiles or hypocrites. 

Sure. And fock all the American versions too. Personally, my exposure was with the baptists.

I have zero doubt... absolutely freaking zero... that if Jesus Christ actually returned to this earth, the Churches would be the target of his vengeful fury, not his praise.

I have no issue with the message. It's the institutions that are all about money, power, and control I loathe.

Ever noticed how the moment religion began losing its grip, science took off, and life got dramatically better? And why that never happened in, say, India, or the middle east?

I know you agree with me that Islam is a toilet.

Europe rejecting religion is why our culture won. Period. 

God helps those who help themselves. Quit praying for deliverance, get off your knees, and walk. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

13 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Sure. And fock all the American versions too. Personally, my exposure was with the baptists.

I have zero doubt... absolutely freaking zero... that if Jesus Christ actually returned to this earth, the Churches would be the target of his vengeful fury, not his praise.

I have no issue with the message. It's the institutions that are all about money, power, and control I loathe.

Ever noticed how the moment religion began losing its grip, science took off, and life got dramatically better? And why that never happened in, say, India, or the middle east?

I know you agree with me that Islam is a toilet.

Europe rejecting religion is why our culture won. Period. 

God helps those who help themselves. Quit praying for deliverance, get off your knees, and walk. 

You can reject religion. But you shouldn’t reject the morals instilled by the teaching of Jesus because of the people that ruin the churches. Now I’m no Bible thumper and I can get to hating with the best of them, but there is something instilled in me that prevents me from doing harm to others. I’d say a part of that is hearing the word of god. Maybe not, but I don’t recall ever being taught anything but love for your fellow man from Jesus. But you shouldn’t stop believing because of what some guys at a church did. Who the Fock are they but flawed men? Jesus, as presented, is the best example for all of mankind, even though it’s a pipe dream that man would ever live up to what he was asking. But we can try. Plus you get to ask for forgiveness after banging a hooker! What a religion! 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You can reject religion. But you shouldn’t reject the morals instilled by the teaching of Jesus because of the people that ruin the churches. Now I’m no Bible thumper and I can get to hating with the best of them, but there is something instilled in me that prevents me from doing harm to others. I’d say a part of that is hearing the word of god. Maybe not, but I don’t recall ever being taught anything but love for your fellow man from Jesus. But you shouldn’t stop believing because of what some guys at a church did. Who the Fock are they but flawed men? Jesus, as presented, is the best example for all of mankind, even though it’s a pipe dream that man would ever live up to what he was asking. But we can try. Plus you get to ask for forgiveness after banging a hooker! What a religion! 

Fair enough. Hope we're still cool man, you do you. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

5 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Fair enough. Hope we're still cool man, you do you. 

Of course. You’re smarter than me, I respect and enjoy your wisdom. But you get a little nuts when it comes to religion. Religion is just one slice of the focked up history of humanity. A bigger slice than some others, but not the only reason we can’t get our act together. 

[DonS 3,292]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

 I was wrong in this thread. I've seen the light.  Let's celebrate with some kids just dancing.

 

Yep, just kids dancing. Folks that see anything remotely sexual are the real problem.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Of course. You’re smarter than me, I respect and enjoy your wisdom. But you get a little nuts when it comes to religion. Religion is just one slice of the focked up history of humanity. A bigger slice than some others, but not the only reason we can’t get our act together. 

Oh absolutely. I don't claim it to be the root of all ills. Just many.

I think a lot of it is... I hate seeing people get taken advantage of, and that is a specialty of religion.

Many of the finest people I know are deeply religious. Many of the biggest scumbags I know are atheist.

People are people and most of em suck, regardless of creed or race.

I also had lots of issues with it growing up in the south. It's cost me more than one relationship. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

6 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Oh absolutely. I don't claim it to be the root of all ills. Just many.

I think a lot of it is... I hate seeing people get taken advantage of, and that is a specialty of religion.

Many of the finest people I know are deeply religious. Many of the biggest scumbags I know are atheist.

People are people and most of em suck, regardless of creed or race.

I also had lots of issues with it growing up in the south. It's cost me more than one relationship. 

Yeah but Fock em. You won. 

[supermike80 1,940]

9 hours ago, Fireballer said:

 I was wrong in this thread. I've seen the light.  Let's celebrate with some kids just dancing.

 

Wow...Just wow.   That one actually made my jaw drop.  Unreal.

[Hawkeye21 2,405]

WFT?  There's some fine parenting there.  I'm sure they'll have no idea why their children turn out to be terrible people too.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

WFT?  There's some fine parenting there.  I'm sure they'll have no idea why their children turn out to be terrible people too.

Usually their last words on the subject are "he a good boy, he never hurt nobody". 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Check this out. I just heard about it the other day. Pedophile group in Britain in the 70s that openly advocated for legalization and had mainstream political advocates. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378

[wiffleball 4,790]

Hey there, since were on the subject, and, I'm just asking for a friend. But...

 

What's the difference between molest and fondle?

[wiffleball 4,790]

Just now, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Check this out. I just heard about it the other day. Pedophile group in Britain in the 70s that openly advocated for legalization and had mainstream political advocates. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378

Um, NAMBLA??

[vuduchile 1,945]

13 hours ago, Fireballer said:

 I was wrong in this thread. I've seen the light.  Let's celebrate with some kids just dancing.

 

JFC

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

4 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Um, NAMBLA??

From what I was told by a British friend, this was worse... apparently they employed members of parliament and actually got government grants. 

In March 2014, evidence emerged that PIE had received grants totalling £70,000 from the Home Office, after a whistleblower told police he witnessed a successful three-year grant renewal application for £35,000 in 1980, implying that a similar grant had been made in 1977.[45]

A number of senior Labour Party politicians were linked in newspaper stories to PIE in December 2013, and again in February 2014, as a result of their involvement with the NCCL at the time of PIE's affiliation. The party's deputy leader, Harriet Harman, had been employed by NCCL as an in-house solicitor and met her husband, the MP Jack Dromey, then a member of NCCL's executive committee, while working in this capacity. In addition, Patricia Hewitt was NCCL's general secretary for nine years. The former chair of PIE, Tom O'Carroll, claimed the three had not attempted to expel PIE out of fear for the impact this might have on their careers at the NCCL.[51]

[wiffleball 4,790]

Brits are freaks

[TimmySmith 2,782]

4 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

From what I was told by a British friend, this was worse... apparently they employed members of parliament and actually got government grants. 

In March 2014, evidence emerged that PIE had received grants totalling £70,000 from the Home Office, after a whistleblower told police he witnessed a successful three-year grant renewal application for £35,000 in 1980, implying that a similar grant had been made in 1977.[45]

A number of senior Labour Party politicians were linked in newspaper stories to PIE in December 2013, and again in February 2014, as a result of their involvement with the NCCL at the time of PIE's affiliation. The party's deputy leader, Harriet Harman, had been employed by NCCL as an in-house solicitor and met her husband, the MP Jack Dromey, then a member of NCCL's executive committee, while working in this capacity. In addition, Patricia Hewitt was NCCL's general secretary for nine years. The former chair of PIE, Tom O'Carroll, claimed the three had not attempted to expel PIE out of fear for the impact this might have on their careers at the NCCL.[51]

If people can buy that BLM is concerned with the welfare of black people, then they will jump to support PIE, who is simply concerned with the welfare of children. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

Not a fan of Pie. Never have been. I mean it's okay. But if we're going that route? I'd much rather have a cobbler. 

[TheNewGirl 1,504]

Where is that video from?! Somewhere in the US or is this another country? 

OMG. 

[DonS 3,292]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

Where is that video from?! Somewhere in the US or is this another country? 

OMG. 

Comments on the tweet have some people saying it's from Jamaica.  Not sure what they are basing that on, though.