Alec Baldwin killed a woman

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Just now, Mike Honcho said:

You know that refrain is not the same as 'never' or 'do not'.  Pretty sure you have seen movies where people have pointed guns at other people.  I look forward to the rest of your point-by-point analysis.

Also, the Match will be decided by a jury.

You are correct, but it will make a huge difference to a court if in no way was he supposed to do anything but "act" with the prop. If he did everything by industry standards and was others did not do their jobs it will make a huge difference to a jury. From earlier.

If per industry standards and guidelines he's not supposed to play with, open inspect, check the gun without an armorer present, and was told by the designee of the armorer that everything is a good to go, then how do you show "the defendant should have known the act threatened the lives of others"

It doesn't matter what the "Industry Standards" are, it's what the LAW says.  I can guarantee you that "Industry Standard" is not pointing the weapon at somebody, especially if you're just practicing.

Do you seriously not see the difference here?

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2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

It doesn't matter what the "Industry Standards" are, it's what the LAW says.  I can guarantee you that "Industry Standard" is not pointing the weapon at somebody, especially if you're just practicing.

Do you seriously not see the difference here?

You are incorrect.

Baldwin is on set, Cinematographer tells Baldwin, "Now this is where you raise the gun and point to at camer and then she goes to make sure shot is correct.  That's how that works.  

 

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1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

You are incorrect.

Baldwin is on set, Cinematographer tells Baldwin, "Now this is where you raise the gun and point to at camer and then she goes to make sure shot is correct.  That's how that works.  

 

Negative.  You're the incorrect one.

Again, it doesn't f'n matter what the Cinematographer says, it's what the LAW says.  "Industry Standards" mean sh#t if they violate the law.

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38 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Negative.  You're the incorrect one.

Again, it doesn't f'n matter what the Cinematographer says, it's what the LAW says.  "Industry Standards" mean sh#t if they violate the law.

We shall see then, if I'm wrong, I'll admit it. Nothing more to say until there is a trial.  

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17 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

We shall see then, if I'm wrong, I'll admit it. Nothing more to say until there is a trial.  

Fair enough, but somebody has to pay for the death of that woman.

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29 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Fair enough, but somebody has to pay for the death of that woman.

Guess a little more thing to say then.  I think Armorer(Hannah Gutierrez Reed) bears responsibility, the AD(who copped a plea deal), and if by all accounts safety was suspect on the set, all named producers(Baldwin is listed as a producer).  

As an actor though, I don't think he bears responsibility.  IMO, that's going to be the tough thing to distinguish, but since they didn't name any other producers I think despite what the DA said, she's going after as him specifically for his actions as an actor. See how the trial shakes out. 

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Baldwin should be locked up by now.

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3 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

Guess a little more thing to say then.  I think Armorer(Hannah Gutierrez Reed) bears responsibility, the AD(who copped a plea deal), and if by all accounts safety was suspect on the set, all named producers(Baldwin is listed as a producer).  

As an actor though, I don't think he bears responsibility.  IMO, that's going to be the tough thing to distinguish, but since they didn't name any other producers I think despite what the DA said, she's going after as him specifically for his actions as an actor. See how the trial shakes out. 

I get what you're saying but I don't know how you don't hold the guy that actually pointed the gun at people, pulled the trigger and killed the woman.  It makes no logical sense to me.  You simply can't do it.  He has to be held accountable.  HE PULLED THE TRIGGER!!

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Prosector's probable cause statement:

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23593006/alec-baldwin-probable-cause-statement.pdf

Fock that guy.

[craftsman 1,045]

Actors learn and practice over and over their lines. They have rehearsals and collaboration and rewrites and etc. all the time. Practice makes perfect. 

But somehow, this actor didn't want to learn how to use a prop that when used wrong, it could kill someone. 

Other actors and actresses have come out and stated how they prepare for using firearms on the set. What makes Baldwin special that he didn't feel the need to know how to use a gun for his role in the movie? The movie he both acts in, and produces. 

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Speaking of fat washed up actors, you don't hear from David hasselhoff much anymore.

 

I mean damn, even shatner went into space for a little while.

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Alec Baldwin skipped a mandatory firearms safety training for 'Rust' and was on the phone with his family during a private, on-set session

• Alec Baldwin received "minimal" firearms training ahead of the fatal "Rust" shooting, prosecutors said.
• Baldwin and the film's armorer were charged with involuntary manslaughter in Halyna Hutchins' death.
• Baldwin was distracted during an on-set firearms training session, the armorer alleged. 

Alec Baldwin missed a mandatory firearms safety training before filming began for "Rust," prosecutors alleged in court documents filed Tuesday.

Both Baldwin and the film's armorer, Hannah Guiterrez-Reed, were charged Tuesday with involuntary manslaughter in connection to the October 2021 accidental shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the Santa Fe, New Mexico, movie set of "Rust," according to court documents. 

"Baldwin was provided only minimal training on firearms," the statement of probable cause against Baldwin reads, adding that he had "limited training" in firearms, including the cross draw technique that was required for the scene he was practicing as well as how to check if a weapon was loaded or unloaded. 

Prosecutors said evidence shows Baldwin was not present for required firearms training prior to the start of filming. Guiterrez-Reed told investigators she realized the actor needed more training and thought additional safety sessions were "very important" for Baldwin, given his character's use of guns throughout the film.  

The documents allege Gutierrez-Reed then scheduled a private, on-set, hour-long session with Baldwin, but the session ended up only being 30 minutes in length because "Baldwin was distracted and talking on his cell phone to his family during the training," Guiterrez-Reed told prosecutors. 

"The on-set and limited time of training does not comport to industry standards," prosecutors said, adding "Baldwin's failure to ensure minimum standards were met is considered reckless in the industry." 

In a statement of probable cause against Guiterrez-Reed, prosecutors said the young armorer also failed in her professional role to meet industry standards by not demanding Baldwin focus during the training or keeping the session on track.

She later told investigators Baldwin's firearm training was essential and could have prevented the fatal shooting.

Photos and videos from on-set the day of the shooting show Baldwin as he practiced drawing and pointing the gun, according to court documents. Prosecutors say the evidence clearly shows Baldwin with his finger inside of the trigger guard and on the trigger several times, in stark deviation from best practices.

Baldwin was seen mishandling the firearm despite his public assertions that he is an "expert" in the realm of firearms and filmmaking; investigators counted at least 40 instances of the actor previously using a weapon in film or television productions throughout his career.

Prosecutors said Guiterrez-Reed failed to correct Baldwin's misuse of the weapon and generally ran a "reckless" set in regards to firearms use, allowing unqualified crew members to handle guns and missing several key safety checks in the hours leading up to the fatal shooting.

An lawyer for Guiterrez-Reed responded to the charges against her on Tuesday, saying prosecutors had "misunderstood the facts" and "reached the wrong conclusions."

Attorney Jason Bowles said his client "pleaded" to provide more firearms training; asked to use a plastic gun for the rehearsal scene; and requested to be called back to set if Baldwin was going to use a real gun at any point. Bowles said producers brushed her aside and repeatedly denied her requests.

"We will fight these charges and expect that a jury will find Hannah not guilty," Bowles said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/alec-baldwin-skipped-a-mandatory-firearms-safety-training-for-rust-and-was-on-the-phone-with-his-family-during-a-private-on-set-session-prosecutors-allege/ar-AA16XwDt?cvid=6115c391f07b49a78233f9ceb8b27c2d

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Nailed it. This was easy to predict

[Mike Honcho 5,096]

Alec Baldwin to resume ‘Rust’ production this week

 

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21 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

Alec Baldwin to resume ‘Rust’ production this week

 

Gross

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On 4/18/2023 at 12:27 PM, Mike Honcho said:

Alec Baldwin to resume ‘Rust’ production this week

Any publicity is good publicity when it comes to ticket sales. RUST - coming to a theater near you!

Baldwin's character might look a bit more aged in the second half of the flick.

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Prosecutors plan to dismiss charges against Alec Baldwin in ‘Rust’ shooting, Baldwin’s attorney tells CNN

 

Prosecutors in the “Rust” fatal shooting case plan to file a notice to dismiss involuntary manslaughter charges against Alec Baldwin, his attorney, Luke Nikas, tells CNN.

CNN has contacted the special prosecutor in the Santa Fe, New Mexico case for comment.

Halyna Hutchins, the film’s cinematographer, was struck and killed by a live round of ammunition fired from a prop gun being held by Baldwin, while rehearsing a scene on the set of “Rust” in 2021. Baldwin has pleaded not guilty.

Prosecutors already removed a firearm enhancement charge against Baldwin and Gutierrez Reed, reducing a potential prison sentence from 5 years to a maximum of 18 months.

“We are pleased with the decision to dismiss the case against Alec Baldwin and encourage a proper investigation into the facts and circumstances of this tragic accident,” Baldwin’s attorneys Luke Nikas and Alex Spiro told CNN.

 

 

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Of course they are...  

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All charges dropped. Baldwin back on set in Yellowstone. 

Nothing to see here. 

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4 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

All charges dropped. Baldwin back on set in Yellowstone. 

Nothing to see here. 

Now imagine if Kevin Sorbo or another conservative actor did the same thing. 
 

Would have been the chair months ago. 

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He has the proper politics, let's definitely celebrate this p.o.s. killing somebody. 

We have some real pieces of shlt that frequent this site, this thread further exposed them.

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19 pages and after we get a resolution, it sure got quiet in here after so many bold statements earlier. 

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42 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

19 pages and after we get a resolution, it sure got quiet in here after so many bold statements earlier. 

How many times can you say "The guy should be locked up for murder."?

Whatever came of this doosh is what came of him. He should be in prison if he's not. 

We see every day in this country people not paying the price for their crimes. So whatever has happened, or still happens to this guy, whatever. 

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On 1/30/2023 at 3:09 PM, Mike Honcho said:

You are incorrect.

Baldwin is on set, Cinematographer tells Baldwin, "Now this is where you raise the gun and point to at camer and then she goes to make sure shot is correct.  That's how that works.  

 

So now guns don't kill people, cinematographer's do? Make up your mind. 

I'll stick with the guy who pulls the trigger without making sure the gun is safe to shoot at someone is guilty. 

Plus, Baldwin is the cinematographer's boss if you just want to go down that road.

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Hannah Gutierrez Reed ‘transferred a small bag of cocaine’ after returning from police interview on day of ‘Rust’ fatal shooting, court documents say

An unnamed witness has said “Rust” film armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed “transferred a small bag of cocaine” after returning from a police interview on the day of the “Rust” fatal shooting, according to a motion filed by prosecutors Thursday.

The new filing comes after prosecutors last week charged Gutierrez Reed with tampering with evidence in relation to the shooting death of the movie’s cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, according to an amended complaint filed last week. The charge is in addition to two counts of involuntary manslaughter filed against Gutierrez Reed earlier this year.

“The prosecution team has been in contact with a witness (hereinafter referred to as SI) who will testify that the defendant transferred a small bag of cocaine to SI on the evening of October 21, 2021, after the defendant returned from her interview at the police station on the day of the fatal shooting,” a state’s opposed motion to protect the identity of witness read.

“The circumstances of the transfer of evidence strongly support the charge that the defendant transferred the cocaine to avoid prosecution and prevent law enforcement from obtaining highly inculpatory evidence directly related to the defendant’s handling of the firearm and the circumstances of the fatal shooting of Halyna Hutchins,” the document added.

 

Aside from being extremely inexperienced, she might have been tweaked out on coke that day.  Not a good day for her lawyer.

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1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Aside from being extremely inexperienced, she might have been tweaked out on coke that day.  Not a good day for her lawyer.

Typical. They cite an "unamed" source who might have seen a white substance, which the "source" knows to be cocaine. Yeah, this sounds credible.

 

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New report filed with court says trigger had to be pulled for gun to fire.  Prosecutors may refile charges against Baldwin.

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

New report filed with court says trigger had to be pulled for gun to fire.  Prosecutors may refile charges against Baldwin.

Hope baldwin gets life in prison for that murder.

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16 minutes ago, Strike said:

trigger had to be pulled for gun to fire.  Prosecutors may refile charges against Baldwin.

Isn't that common sense? 

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4 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Isn't that common sense? 

Baldwin says the gun malfunctioned, and prosecutors thought that might be plausible so they dropped the charges without prejudice, which means they can refile them.  The new report says it couldn't have happened the way Baldwin says so the prosecutors are considering refiling.

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

New report filed with court says trigger had to be pulled for gun to fire.  Prosecutors may refile charges against Baldwin.

God I hope so.  Someone has to pay for that poor woman's death.

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1 hour ago, League Champion said:

Isn't that common sense? 

You would think, right?  Those of us who know guns know that triggers don't pull themselves.

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Looks like he fired that gun after all: 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/08/16/entertainment/rust-shooting-gun-report-alec-baldwin/index.html

Bye Alec! 

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51 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Looks like he fired that gun after all: 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/08/16/entertainment/rust-shooting-gun-report-alec-baldwin/index.html

Bye Alec! 

After all. 

How stupid are you?

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53 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Looks like he fired that gun after all: 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/08/16/entertainment/rust-shooting-gun-report-alec-baldwin/index.html

Bye Alec! 

Yeah, I posted this yesterday.  Are you retarded?  (that's a rhetorical question)

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On 8/16/2023 at 12:59 PM, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

God I hope so.  Someone has to pay for that poor woman's death.

As an actor that uses his notoriety to spew gun control rhetoric,  he shouldn't do films with gun violence as subject matter(for mony). Speaking out about the dangers of firearms & not practicing safe use of a firearm is the ultimate hypocrisy. 

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7 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

As an actor that uses his notoriety to spew gun control rhetoric,  he shouldn't do films with gun violence as subject matter(for mony). Speaking out about the dangers of firearms & not practicing safe use of a firearm is the ultimate hypocrisy. 

The holier than thou position is for show, its for family and friends and social capital.....when it comes to income and such, well, that all fades away like the tail lights of an immigrant bus leaving Martha's Vineyard.....

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52 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

As an actor that uses his notoriety to spew gun control rhetoric,  he shouldn't do films with gun violence as subject matter(for mony). Speaking out about the dangers of firearms & not practicing safe use of a firearm is the ultimate hypocrisy. 

100%. 

Like most Hollywood celebrities and liberals in general, they certainly can talk the talk but none of them will actually walk the walk.  Instead, they just want to only talk the talk, but they expect OTHERS to walk the walk. F*** them.

[Mike Honcho 5,096]

Alec is going to serve as much time as Michael Massee(guy who shot Brandon Lee). 

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On 4/22/2023 at 3:09 PM, Mike Honcho said:

19 pages and after we get a resolution, it sure got quiet in here after so many bold statements earlier. 

Probably because some of us like to wait until things finish playing out:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alec-baldwin-may-face-involuntary-manslaughter-charge-rust-shooting-pr-rcna104138

Let's talk again after we get a resolution, umkay?