Failure of the public education system

[Hardcore troubadour 15,524]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

I would guess it is more the line of- "Teachers aren't discussing this with K-3 so why is it being passed as a law" with the assumption being that the end goal is to pass it from 4-12...

I'm not sure what you mean by "what is happening". The actual law passing or the teachers speaking out against the law?

I admit my view on this may be skewed by these videos I see from these teachers saying ridiculous things. But they seem to be happening with more frequency, and corporations like Disney are abetting it. Parents can guard against the slippery slope as well. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,571]

6 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

It's been mentioned countless times here and I still don't get the "I'm not comfortable telling my parents" thing. How did this get so much traction?  What vetting is done to actually decide to not immediately include parents/guardians in on things that students bring to teachers? This excludes actual violence, and at that point it's an LE matter.

I'm guessing it's kids who have parents who are conservatives and are being brainwashed by society that conservatives are racist and homophobic.

[DonS 3,292]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

I would guess it is more the line of- "Teachers aren't discussing this with K-3 so why is it being passed as a law" with the assumption being that the end goal is to pass it from 4-12...

I'm not sure what you mean by "what is happening". The actual law passing or the teachers speaking out against the law?

Looks like the thing FL law aims to prevent is currently happening in at least one WA state school district:

https://mynorthwest.com/3409243/rantz-edmonds-school-district-gender-pronouns/

A Washington school district is pushing gender identity on 7-year-old kids. They even asked the children for their personal pronouns.

The Edmonds School District developed lesson plans on self-identity that includes the claim that sometimes, gender does not exist. Other times, a person can have two genders. First graders learn about the “nonbinary experience” and teachers are told to ask students to list their gender identities so that “gender nonconforming” students can feel more comfortable.

While a district spokesperson argues the lesson plan is mandated by the state, Edmonds goes above and beyond what state law requires. Perhaps it’s why the district refuses to disclose the full curriculum to the public.

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,571]

10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I will just say that is not necessarily my experience anymore. With parents I would imagine are more conservative it tends to be more of an antagonistic relationship towards teachers and a general feeling of "You don't like my kid, why are you not passing them."

Apparently you're area is different than mine because what I've heard from family members and friends, as well as teachers, is what I posted.  I know and have heard teachers call kids "Trumper kids" saying that if they said anything thing about sex or gender in class, they'd get a dozen calls from conservative parents complaining.  They've also said they have parents call and complain when they mentioned God in class to complain that their kids aren't taught a religion and to not bring it up in class.  I think it's safe to say we know who they're talking about.

Oh, I can believe that last part, absolutely.  I think that comes from the distrust that conservatives now have in the education system and teachers.  I also experienced it personally myself and saw that with my son and my nephew.  It absolutely happens.  Not saying every claim is true, but it has happened and I think that's why that feeling exists.

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,571]

7 minutes ago, DonS said:

Looks like the thing FL law aims to prevent is currently happening in at least one WA state school district:

https://mynorthwest.com/3409243/rantz-edmonds-school-district-gender-pronouns/

 

 

Don, this is just and example of maybe a few instances that not everyone agrees with, so there's no reason to think it's a nationwide movement and something to get worried about.  (meanwhile, only couple of black people get killed by cops and it's "Defund the Police!!").

[Sean Mooney 1,991]

6 minutes ago, DonS said:

Looks like the thing FL law aims to prevent is currently happening in at least one WA state school district:

https://mynorthwest.com/3409243/rantz-edmonds-school-district-gender-pronouns/

 

 

I'd love to see more about what is actually happening there through a more impartial lens. 

[DonS 3,292]

25 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I'd love to see more about what is actually happening there through a more impartial lens. 

How about from local ABC affiliate?  Is that impartial enough?

https://komonews.com/amp/news/local/1st-graders-given-gender-identity-assignment-told-they-can-be-neither-or-both-genders-kindergarten-first-school-lgbtq-fluidity-instruction-washington-seattle

[Cloaca du jour 2,152]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

I was speaking specifically about teachers doing what they want to do vs what they should do when it comes to talking about gender and sexuality with kids

Gotcha...carry on.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Don, this is just and example of maybe a few instances that not everyone agrees with, so there's no reason to think it's a nationwide movement and something to get worried about.  (meanwhile, only couple of black people get killed by cops and it's "Defund the Police!!").

This school district might be the worst violator of parental rights

There are egregious examples of government-run school districts in all 50 states trying to assert themselves as Big Father and Big Mother. 

But one district in particular has emerged as an early contender to be the ignoble Loudoun County of 2022: Eau Claire Area in Wisconsin. From "white privilege tests," to heterosexual privilege checklists, to teacher trainings that urge students to hide gender transitions from their parents, woke bureaucrats in the Badger State have launched an all-out assault on parental rights.
 

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/school-district-wisconsin-parents-ian-prior

[Sean Mooney 1,991]

5 hours ago, DonS said:

How about from local ABC affiliate?  Is that impartial enough?

https://komonews.com/amp/news/local/1st-graders-given-gender-identity-assignment-told-they-can-be-neither-or-both-genders-kindergarten-first-school-lgbtq-fluidity-instruction-washington-seattle

Couple things:

1.) The lady from Parents Defending Education says there is no mention of pronouns or anything when it is clear that "pronouns" are listed at the bottom and identified by the flowchart that was created. Now why you would create a flowchart for 1st graders I don't know.

2.) She says what the "gender snowperson" assignment was but then adds to it based off of what she thinks it was.

3.) If the state standards have that the state standards are written faulty. But the thing to do then is get the standards fixed. 

4.) There is a possibility that the lesson is cross-curricular which is something that happens far more regularly at the elementary school level. Basically it is teaching a lesson that can function for two different disciplines.

5.) We don't know if there was a pre-lesson on this the previous day or something.

6.) Who the hell gives a 1st graded an assignment on Twitter? 

[Voltaire 5,350]

12 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

You are right- and this is what so many people get wrong and/or don't understand. If a teacher is actively going to students and saying "Hey, let's talk about sex and gender" outside of a health class then yes that is wrong and shouldn't happen.

For many students though- they build a rapport with teachers for whatever reason. It isn't some sinister "creepy" thing like people want to assign it to. It is just students spend a lot of time with teachers discussing a litany of topics and many students can't bridge the idea of "friendly but not friends." (TBF- some teachers obviously don't bridge that gap well either). And there are definitely students who might be wrestling with their sexuality and they say things to a teacher knowing that the teacher has to report it to a counselor and it has to go through a chain of command that eventually leads to parents being notified. For some students that meeting is a way to tell their parents and having a support system in place as opposed to just trying to tell their parents for any one reason.

Also, there is a way to let students talk about their gender and sex without the teacher talking about it. It's happened a few times for me in the classroom where students have talked at me but I haven't really said anything back to them other than "Uh huh" or "I understand." And always, always, I encourage them to discuss it with their parents and develop a support system at home. In my role as counselor at the school it is different in how it progresses. 

This not only sounds reasonable, it sounds exactly right. 

 

[MTSkiBum 1,623]

5 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

This not only sounds reasonable, it sounds exactly right. 

 

For what it is worth, most teachers and educators are good people that get it. Regardless of political affiliation. 

 

Social media highlights the fringe on both sides.

[Voltaire 5,350]

9 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

For what it is worth, most teachers and educators are good people that get it. Regardless of political affiliation. 

 

Social media highlights the fringe on both sides.

I hope so.

Also, it's good that a spotlight has really been shown on these problems, that parents are alert to the problems regarding the CRT and LGBTQ agendas, more aware what's going on, what to look for, and more proactive in confronting it. At the local level, school boards are more receptive and at the state level, legislation is being passed to address issues.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,524]

13 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

For what it is worth, most teachers and educators are good people that get it. Regardless of political affiliation. 

 

Social media highlights the fringe on both sides.

True. But the union seems to be much more radical than the membership, and the younger teachers seem to be pushing the envelope. 

[Voltaire 5,350]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

True. But the union seems to be much more radical than the membership, and the younger teachers seem to be pushing the envelope. 

I had a good talk with my daughter this past weekend that really cheered me up. Her grades are good in all classes except the Chinese political indoctrination BS. She says its because she can't stand the class and fills her notebook with doodles all the time or does other class' homework. I don't give a sh*t if her overall class ranking suffers due to that class and its actually good mental preparation for US college where she'll be hit with all the CRT and LGBTQ indoctrination and can identify BS when she sees it. Also getting and tuning out your anti-USA rant from a clueless Chinese communist in China that you don't like is a better introduction to Howard Zinn than getting it from a halfway-"educated" Amerikan Communist in the US.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,524]

9 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I had a good talk with my daughter this past weekend that really cheered me up. Her grades are good in all classes except the Chinese political indoctrination BS. She says its because she can't stand the class and fills her notebook with doodles all the time or does other class' homework. I don't give a sh*t if her overall class ranking suffers due to that class and its actually good mental preparation for US college where she'll be hit with all the CRT and LGBTQ indoctrination and can identify BS when she sees it. Also getting and tuning out your anti-USA rant from a clueless Chinese communist in China that you don't like is a better introduction to Howard Zinn than getting it from a halfway-"educated" Amerikan Communist in the US.

Zinn is the cause of  so much of this BS. He had remorse about the bombings he took part in during WW2 and thrust that on an entire country. 

[frank 2,312]

13 hours ago, MDC said:

Whatever happened to that freak mom who issued 100 FOIA requests in a month to try to find CRT in a he school’s curriculum? I don’t blame teachers for fighting this. Who wants to spend all day dealing with obsessive weirdos who have a political axe to grind?

Everyone on this board?

[MDC 7,547]

4 hours ago, frank said:

Everyone on this board?

 

[Cloaca du jour 2,152]

Typical classroom

[Fireballer 2,651]

@Hawkeye21

Good stuff from your corner of the world

 

[Hawkeye21 2,406]

15 hours ago, Fireballer said:

@Hawkeye21

Good stuff from your corner of the world

 

That's pretty ridiculous but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.  Iowa City is very liberal.

[Fireballer 2,651]

Quite the Twitter thread...

 

[Fireballer 2,651]

The rules on field trips are my favorite.  

 

[DonS 3,292]

12 hours ago, Fireballer said:

The rules on field trips are my favorite.  

 

I wonder how they'll address the rise in teenage pregnant persons after these field trips? 

[RLLD 4,272]

Parents really need to be involved, and on alert, with the attempts to indoctrinate children increasing.

I can see a further division in society where those who can afford to send their kids to a private school, or move to another area, will be able to actively avoid this and better ensure theirs kids future.  And those who cannot will likely have some serious issues to overcome the rest of their life. 

 

[MDC 7,547]

2 hours ago, DonS said:

I wonder how they'll address the rise in teenage pregnant persons after these field trips? 

You think students are pretending to be trans so they can get laid on field trips? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,524]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Parents really need to be involved, and on alert, with the attempts to indoctrinate children increasing.

I can see a further division in society where those who can afford to send their kids to a private school, or move to another area, will be able to actively avoid this and better ensure theirs kids future.  And those who cannot will likely have some serious issues to overcome the rest of their life. 

 

They are hiring the lgbtq-p stuff behind the anti racist stuff. Otherwise inner city folks would be speaking out. 

[DonS 3,292]

30 minutes ago, MDC said:

You think students are pretending to be trans so they can get laid on field trips? 

Not necessarily, but if a loophole is provided then it wouldn't surprise me that some horny and enterprising kids will take advantage. 

Edit: they wouldn't even need to go all-in by claiming they are now a girl.  Thanks to the non-binary/gender fluid nonsense kids today can claim to identify with whatever they'd like on any given day.  No dresses required. Dem are the liberal rules, and if you question them you are a bigot.

[Fireballer 2,651]

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,524]

7 hours ago, Fireballer said:

 

He should have his skull smashed in.  

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He should have his skull smashed in.  

How do.people keep pretending that 5 year olds are thinking about their gender preference?

Was that mooney? Insanity is running wild in this country. Glad I'm not a kid in this time and place.

[Voltaire 5,350]

What a POS. People like this creep are exactly who the Florida bill is designed to stop. California is that way, go perv on their kids.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,524]

10 hours ago, Voltaire said:

What a POS. People like this creep are exactly who the Florida bill is designed to stop. California is that way, go perv on their kids.

 Vomit - P/A thinks this is made up. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,524]

Teacher in California arrested for molesting 7 children.  Lots of pedos in education. More than the church. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Teacher in California arrested for molesting 7 children.  Lots of pedos in education. More than the church. 

@Sean Mooney  Focking crack pipe baby turned public school babysitter.  

[TheNewGirl 1,527]

On 4/5/2022 at 9:30 AM, MDC said:

You think students are pretending to be trans so they can get laid on field trips? 

Pretending or not...a lot of this stuff basically says that parents aren't allowed to ask about gender, and teachers don't have to share it. 

If I tell you I want to room with the boys and just say, "because I identify as one" you're really not allowed to ask me more beyond that. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

On 4/5/2022 at 12:30 PM, MDC said:

You think students are pretending to be trans so they can get laid on field trips? 

What's your excuse peanut? 

[DonS 3,292]

9 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Pretending or not...a lot of this stuff basically says that parents aren't allowed to ask about gender, and teachers don't have to share it. 

If I tell you I want to room with the boys and just say, "because I identify as one" you're really not allowed to ask me more beyond that. 

My favorite memory from high school was a trip to Quebec City as part of taking French as a required foreign language. 

We stayed at like a B&B with all the boys in one room and girls in another.  Before lights out one of the gals with an amazing rack wearing a red wife beater was hanging out in the "boys" room. She was a good friend of mine, and I knew she had nice t1ts, but HOLY SH1T dem tittays were focking amazing in a bra-less Guido shirt.

I certainly wouldn't mind identifying as a girl for at least one night.

 

[Fireballer 2,651]

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

7 hours ago, Fireballer said:

 

Who the fock would let that person teach anyone? 

Ah, a liberal.