Trans Kids

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3 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Nope, that would never happen and you're a piece of sh1t for suggesting that.  Fock you.

 

1 minute ago, Shooter McGavin said:

If moving left means treating everyone like humans with kindness, then we should all move left.  Moving right means hatred I guess.

Let the hate flow through you.

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2 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Real talk. If my son had gender dysphoria I admittedly would be upset.  However he’s my kid and I would support him the best I could.  It’s my kid and I love him. Two things I would NOT do.

1.  Give my child any puberty blockers or surgery.  If they grow up an have these same feelings and as an adult do that’s  okay. 

2.  Sign them up to play girls sports.  I couldn’t imagine going to a girls volleyball game and watch my son, who identifies as a girl, spike volleyballs on girls heads.  It’s just not cool.

it doesn’t mean I don’t support and love my kid. I want the best for them, but JFC people.

Oh look, another pedo enabler.

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2 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Real talk. If my son had gender dysphoria I admittedly would be upset.  However he’s my kid and I would support him the best I could.  It’s my kid and I love him. Two things I would NOT do.

1.  Give my child any puberty blockers or surgery.  If they grow up an have these same feelings and as an adult do that’s  okay. 

2.  Sign them up to play girls sports.  I couldn’t imagine going to a girls volleyball game and watch my son, who identifies as a girl, spike volleyballs on girls heads.  It’s just not cool.

it doesn’t mean I don’t support and love my kid. I want the best for them, but JFC people.

First off-a disclaimer: I haven’t read this whole thread. So I’m sorry if some of this has already been discussed.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but to me, on the surface, this seems like common sense. But then if you think about it more… 

You say you believe that gender dysmorphia is real. That would mean that in this hypothetical, your kid truly identifies as a female. Now I’m not saying that all cases are the same and should be treated as such, but wouldn’t forcing them to live as a male until they were 18 doing them some sort of harm, as well? We’ve heard stories about how psychologically damaging it was for some homosexuals to live in the closet, I’d assume that not all kids would have the mental fortitude to wait until they were of age. Again, not saying that you should automatically give in and let them make the decision either, but I would think there should be more thought put into the process.

As far a letting trans play in sports. Wouldn’t it come down to how much transition has already taken place? Most trans take hormone blockers either for estrogen or testosterone depending on male or female and then the corresponding hormones based on the sex. So a male transitioning to female would take testosterone blockers and then add estrogen. At least that’s how I think it works.  Now if they aren’t doing hormone treatment, then no, they probably shouldn’t be allowed to play with the girls. 

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1 hour ago, OldMaid said:

First off-a disclaimer: I haven’t read this whole thread. So I’m sorry if some of this has already been discussed.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but to me, on the surface, this seems like common sense. But then if you think about it more… 

You say you believe that gender dysmorphia is real. That would mean that in this hypothetical, your kid truly identifies as a female. Now I’m not saying that all cases are the same and should be treated as such, but wouldn’t forcing them to live as a male until they were 18 doing them some sort of harm, as well? We’ve heard stories about how psychologically damaging it was for some homosexuals to live in the closet, I’d assume that not all kids would have the mental fortitude to wait until they were of age. Again, not saying that you should automatically give in and let them make the decision either, but I would think there should be more thought put into the process.

As far a letting trans play in sports. Wouldn’t it come down to how much transition has already taken place? Most trans take hormone blockers either for estrogen or testosterone depending on male or female and then the corresponding hormones based on the sex. So a male transitioning to female would take testosterone blockers and then add estrogen. At least that’s how I think it works.  Now if they aren’t doing hormone treatment, then no, they probably shouldn’t be allowed to play with the girls. 

Yeah. Cept kids shouldn’t be at any stage of a transition as far as medical procedures go. Key word: Kid. Wanna wear a dress? Knock yourself out. Stay out of the girls room and the girls locker room.  Want to chop off your junk? You gotta wait. Do whatever you want when you’re of age. Don’t demand others play along.  Also, they can’t menstruate. Science!!

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Simply stating biological facts triggers these people.  Madness. 
 

 

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8 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Also, they can’t menstruate. Science!!

Women don’t menstruate before puberty or after menopause, or during pregnancy. What gender are they at those times? Science?

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9 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Women don’t menstruate before puberty or after menopause, or during pregnancy. What gender are they at those times? Science?

This is like saying climate change is not real because the weather is so nice today 

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25 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Women don’t menstruate before puberty or after menopause, or during pregnancy. What gender are they at those times? Science?

Female. Wow stupid. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Female. Wow stupid. 

You just said that only people who menstruate are female. Make up your mind. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, dogcows said:

You just said that only people who menstruate are female. Make up your mind. 

 

 

JFC you are an idiot.  Forget politics, reading your posts kills brain cells.  Dumb as hell. 

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36 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Simply stating biological facts triggers these people.  Madness. 
 

 

This pulls  the curtain back on what this is all about.  The whole gender bullshat is just one prong of the overall progressive ideology and push for socialism.  Pushing gender ideology on young people is no more than a mechanism to fracture the family unit, which is the greatest obstacle to socialism.  Is it accident that some state legislators are pushing to make denying a kids gender ID child abuse?  The progressives want young people to derive all morals and values from the establishment, not the family unit.  Inch by inch, it's happening before our eyes.

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11 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said:

If moving left means treating everyone like humans with kindness, then we should all move left.  Moving right means hatred I guess.

Mostly I was talking about folks on the Left who claim that we do NOT move Left over time.  

But to your point, you've hit on one of the fundamental problems with Leftism:  "everyone."  Yes, it is good that gays can marry now.  But for 50 years, the unborn baby being sucked out of a uterus might not view abortion as kindness.  Similarly, the girl getting spiked in the face with a volleyball by a boy might not view that as kindness.  There is no utopia where everyone gets everything they want.

Also, it isn't necessarily "kindness" to just acquiesce to whatever people, particularly children, want.  You are a parent, you know this.  

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51 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Simply stating biological facts triggers these people.  Madness. 
 

 

Yes these people are extreme, they are a bit crazy, we can all agree on that.  Same way we should be able to agree that the qanon people are going Xtreme and crazy, right? 

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Please! Identifying as a woman does not make you a woman. You are either XX or XY, end of thread.

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14 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

It’s so weird.  I completely agree that people have gender dysphoria.  I could care less if said people dress how they want, have sex with who they want.  If it gives them happiness and they find their way and peace so be it.  I am not “against Trans Folks”.

However leave the pre pubescent kids alone man. Fock.  And while gender dysphoria is real the downside for them is they can’t play sports in the other gender.  While it may suck for them, it’s a downside of having said issue and common sense and logic have to rule the day.  
 

The fact this is even debatable is crazy to me.  

Yup all they have to do is leave the kids out of it but the freaks can’t control themselves. 

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10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Mostly I was talking about folks on the Left who claim that we do NOT move Left over time.  

But to your point, you've hit on one of the fundamental problems with Leftism:  "everyone."  Yes, it is good that gays can marry now.  But for 50 years, the unborn baby being sucked out of a uterus might not view abortion as kindness.  Similarly, the girl getting spiked in the face with a volleyball by a boy might not view that as kindness.  There is no utopia where everyone gets everything they want.

Also, it isn't necessarily "kindness" to just acquiesce to whatever people, particularly children, want.  You are a parent, you know this.  

What do we mean by right and left? If we go to extremes, farthest right is fascism and farthest left is communism. Both of those extremes are highly unlikely to favor some social changes that have happened in America in the past few decades. BLM, gay marriage, transgender rights, etc. 

These are not right or left issues. IMO, they are forward or backward issues. Forward - more rights, backwards - fewer rights.

Capitalism is strengthening, so if we look at it in the terms of socialism vs capitalism, one could argue we’re moving right.

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18 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Yes these people are extreme, they are a bit crazy, we can all agree on that.  Same way we should be able to agree that the qanon people are going Xtreme and crazy, right? 

Qanon how many universities are qanon part of?  How many elected people in this country are qanon?  What makes one qanon

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18 minutes ago, dogcows said:

What do we mean by right and left? If we go to extremes, farthest right is fascism and farthest left is communism. Both of those extremes are highly unlikely to favor some social changes that have happened in America in the past few decades. BLM, gay marriage, transgender rights, etc. 

These are not right or left issues. IMO, they are forward or backward issues. Forward - more rights, backwards - fewer rights.

Capitalism is strengthening, so if we look at it in the terms of socialism vs capitalism, one could argue we’re moving right.

Farthest left is fascism in current day America. Hell, not even the farthest left. Just the left. 

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29 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Yes these people are extreme, they are a bit crazy, we can all agree on that.  Same way we should be able to agree that the qanon people are going Xtreme and crazy, right? 

WTF are "qanon people"?

No one can even describe what qanon is. And why do only liberals talk about it? 

 

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40 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Qanon how many universities are qanon part of?  How many elected people in this country are qanon?  What makes one qanon

See, deny that there are extremes on your side, but the other side everyone is an extreme.  This is why you're a joke

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27 minutes ago, craftsman said:

WTF are "qanon people"?

No one can even describe what qanon is. And why do only liberals talk about it? 

 

Qanon people are people that support qanon.

They talk about it, you deny it.

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1 minute ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Qanon people are people that support qanon.

They talk about it, you deny it.

What's s qanon?

And why do only liberals follow it?

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3 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

See, deny that there are extremes on your side, but the other side everyone is an extreme.  This is why you're a joke

My side?  Show me some extreme libertarians please. 
 

but I’ll play along. What extremists are running college boards and part of the government

i would say there isn’t a single extreme right view as bad as child mutilation and sterilization 

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2 hours ago, dogcows said:

Women don’t menstruate before puberty or after menopause, or during pregnancy. What gender are they at those times? Science?

Well, in order to menstruate at some point, you have to be a woman.  To go through menopause, you have to be a woman.  To get pregnant, you have to be a woman.  So those people, science tells us, that they are women.

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1 hour ago, dogcows said:

What do we mean by right and left? If we go to extremes, farthest right is fascism and farthest left is communism. Both of those extremes are highly unlikely to favor some social changes that have happened in America in the past few decades. BLM, gay marriage, transgender rights, etc. 

These are not right or left issues. IMO, they are forward or backward issues. Forward - more rights, backwards - fewer rights.

Capitalism is strengthening, so if we look at it in the terms of socialism vs capitalism, one could argue we’re moving right.

The bottom line is that we’re talking about Republicans and Democrats. The major difference is the Democrats want more government and the Republicans want less government. I have a hard time understanding people that want more government control in their lives.

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32 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Qanon how many universities are qanon part of?  How many elected people in this country are qanon?  What makes one qanon

Qanon is a boogeyman the left likes to use for whataboutisms when we point out that the whackjobs on the Left are increasingly the voice of the party.  

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2 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

Please! Identifying as a woman does not make you a woman. You are either XX or XY, end of thread.

What about Caster Semenya?

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2 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

The bottom line is that we’re talking about Republicans and Democrats. The major difference is the Democrats want more government and the Republicans want less government. I have a hard time understanding people that want more government control in their lives.

Based on recent actions by Republicans, is that really true?

Abortion is completely banned in over a dozen states. No longer is it a decision between a woman and her doctor. This is one of the biggest government intrusions into personal lives in the past 50 years.

Have a transgender kid? Texas state employees are coming to your house to investigate you for child abuse.

Run a social media site? Republican laws will tell you how to moderate its content.

Republicans even used to push for tax breaks for corporations. But if a corporation does something they don’t like, they will take that away… like with Disney.

It seems to be more a question of what kind of government control you want in your life. The Democrats push for government-run healthcare. Republicans want to force their morality on everybody. I vote for the former.

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Qanon is a boogeyman the left likes to use for whataboutisms when we point out that the whackjobs on the Left are increasingly the voice of the party.  

Eric Trump and Mike Flynn just hosted a QAnon conference. Some pretty interesting viewpoints were expressed…

 

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7 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Based on recent actions by Republicans, is that really true?

Abortion is completely banned in over a dozen states. No longer is it a decision between a woman and her doctor. This is one of the biggest government intrusions into personal lives in the past 50 years.

Have a transgender kid? Texas state employees are coming to your house to investigate you for child abuse.

Run a social media site? Republican laws will tell you how to moderate its content.

Republicans even used to push for tax breaks for corporations. But if a corporation does something they don’t like, they will take that away… like with Disney.

It seems to be more a question of what kind of government control you want in your life. The Democrats push for government-run healthcare. Republicans want to force their morality on everybody. I vote for the former.

So you are saying that having laws against murder is a government intrusion? 

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2 minutes ago, craftsman said:

So you are saying that having laws against murder is a government intrusion? 

This confirms what I said. The GOP view of morality is that abortion is murder. They therefore force that moral code onto others with anti-abortion laws. Considering a majority of people are pro-choice, it’s clear that most people don’t share the morality the GOP is forcing on them.

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10 minutes ago, dogcows said:

This confirms what I said. The GOP view of morality is that abortion is murder. They therefore force that moral code onto others with anti-abortion laws. Considering a majority of people are pro-choice, it’s clear that most people don’t share the morality the GOP is forcing on them.

Murder is a moral issue in our society. That's why we have laws against it.

Stealing used to be punishable offense until current day DAs inserted and funded by Soros and our liberal democrat government came into power.

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18 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Eric Trump and Mike Flynn just hosted a QAnon conference. Some pretty interesting viewpoints were expressed…

 

Well, calling it a "Qanon conference" is a bit of a stretch; your tweeter seems to be the one person on google who called it that.  I did find a Huff Po reporter who called it "Qanon friendly" tho.

Saying Eric Trump hosted it seems like a stretch, but perhaps you've researched it and can confirm.  Sounds like he was a speaker at the pro-Trump rally.

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The two-day "ReAwaken America" rally also featured speeches by Eric Trump, Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, and MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell.

Mathias, who attended the event, said on Twitter that the conference was Christian nationalist and "QAnon-friendly."

https://www.businessinsider.com/pro-trump-rally-speaker-angel-of-death-lindsey-graham-democrats-2022-10

Perhaps you conflate pro-Trump with Qanon?  We've established that your side defines misinformation, so I can't really argue it. 

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2 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

The bottom line is that we’re talking about Republicans and Democrats. The major difference is the Democrats want more government and the Republicans want less government. I have a hard time understanding people that want more government control in their lives.

Do you want the govt to make gender affirmation illegal for kids?

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These people are focking weird.

 

 

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Well, calling it a "Qanon conference" is a bit of a stretch; your tweeter seems to be the one person on google who called it that.  I did find a Huff Po reporter who called it "Qanon friendly" tho.

Saying Eric Trump hosted it seems like a stretch, but perhaps you've researched it and can confirm.  Sounds like he was a speaker at the pro-Trump rally.

https://www.businessinsider.com/pro-trump-rally-speaker-angel-of-death-lindsey-graham-democrats-2022-10

Perhaps you conflate pro-Trump with Qanon?  We've established that your side defines misinformation, so I can't really argue it. 

My question is: if this isn’t Q, and is just typical Trump supporters… don’t you think it’s a bit worrisome? That is some batshit-crazy nonsense. I think maybe Republicans should just agree “yeah those are the crazy Q peeps” and leave it at that.

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2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

My question is: if this isn’t Q, and is just typical Trump supporters… don’t you think it’s a bit worrisome? That is some batshit-crazy nonsense. I think maybe Republicans should just agree “yeah those are the crazy Q peeps” and leave it at that.

Who cares? This country was in better shape under Trump than it is under this biden pedo character.

Wake the fock up and see the obvious. You liberal shltbags spend 24 hours a day trying to bring down people that oppose your really destructive liberal big government policies. 

Take your new green deal and shove it. Take your massive spending and shove it. You all suck. 

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28 minutes ago, dogcows said:

My question is: if this isn’t Q, and is just typical Trump supporters… don’t you think it’s a bit worrisome? That is some batshit-crazy nonsense. I think maybe Republicans should just agree “yeah those are the crazy Q peeps” and leave it at that.

I don't like the religious fervor angle.  If that were to become mainstream, then I would find that worrisome.

Transing the kids errrr.... gender affirmation, boys playing against girls, that's mainstream.  And the topic of the thread.

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5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't like the religious fervor angle.  If that were to become mainstream, then I would find that worrisome.

Transing the kids errrr.... gender affirmation, boys playing against girls, that's mainstream.  And the topic of the thread.

So, is it a mainstream rally or not?

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15 minutes ago, dogcows said:

So, is it a mainstream rally or not?

I don't believe that demonic satellites are part of the Republican official platform, so I'll say no.