Nothing on the Texas School shooting?

[Baker Boy 1,704]

2 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Ban commercial firearm sales. Until then, it'll never stop and there's a whole lot more coming. 

If you're looking for someone to blame - look at the shooter. Then look at gun right supporters and politicians who pander to them.

That is the hoped for end to the crime wave. Defund the Police, release tens of thousand of prisoners from jail, no cash bail, let the Mentally ill live on the streets, allow illegal entry to thousands of criminals from all over the world,  etc., etc. The victims of these shootings are nothing more than collateral damage for the goal of disarming law abiding American Citizens. The final step on an Authoritarian take over.

[5-Points 3,580]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

blacks and mexicans?

 

Yeah, they have closed borders and a homogeneous society, among other things. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,367]

Just now, 5-Points said:

Yeah, they have closed borders and a homogeneous society, among other things. 

to be fair they are an island

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

21 dead.

[supermike80 1,938]

I dont wanna know the shooters name. I dont wanna know about his focking manifesto.  I dont want his life story.  I dont care. He should just be identified as that sheet bag and leave it at that.  Dont make him famous

[Utilit99 4,099]

Just now, wiffleball said:

You want to compare murder rates in Japan versus United states? Because I'll have a ball with that.

[5-Points 3,580]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

to be fair they are an island

 

And they secure it. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

What else does Japan not have in common with the US?

incredibly stringent gun laws

[wiffleball 4,790]

Just now, Utilit99 said:

Yeah, thought so.

[Utilit99 4,099]

Just now, wiffleball said:

Yeah, thought so.

What? I didn't address your idiotic comparison? I guess if you thought so.....

[wiffleball 4,790]

4 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

That is the hoped for end to the crime wave. Defund the Police, release tens of thousand of prisoners from jail, no cash bail, let the Mentally ill live on the streets, allow illegal entry to thousands of criminals from all over the world,  etc., etc. The victims of these shootings are nothing more than collateral damage for the goal of disarming law abiding American Citizens. The final step on an Authoritarian take over.

I'm sorry. I thought this was Justin for a minute.

[5-Points 3,580]

Just now, supermike80 said:

I dont wanna know the shooters name. I dont wanna know about his focking manifesto.  I dont want his life story.  I dont care. He should just be identified as that sheet bag and leave it at that.  Dont make him famous

I've said this for years. We sensationalize these tragedies, plaster the shitbag's name and picture all over the place then act surprised when the next shitbag loser does the same thing. 

[Nomad99 755]

34 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

How do you not know the difference between the two? Wow. Talk about  an ironic post.

Are you having some kind of episode? I well know the difference between the two. YOUR reference to open carry....given the context of "so that worked out well"...makes absolutely no sense. What bearing does carrying concealed vs open carrying have on the subject? UNLESS you meant CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY.....in which I stand by my statement.....you know not of which you speak & should stfu.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

9 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I have to use a key fob badge to enter my corporate office, but I can walk right in my kids school.  It's a pretty simple point and I agree.  

No one wants to tell the parents sorry, can’t come in. Do it and they’ll be some ass hole coming up to say “no, it’s ok”. This is despite a directive from the superintendents office saying anyone entering the school must have an appointment. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

1 minute ago, Nomad99 said:

Are you having some kind of episode? I well know the difference between the two. YOUR reference to open carry....given the context of "so that worked out well"...makes absolutely no sense. What bearing does carrying concealed vs open carrying have on the subject? UNLESS you meant CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY.....in which I stand by my statement.....you know not of which you speak & should stfu.

Okay, this conversation is getting dumber and dumber thanks to you. And distracts from the overall subject. My distinction is between concealed carry and open carry. Texas more or less recently allows open carry. Which was supposed to just radically change the whole crime wave down there in Sam Houston's playground. But it f****** didn't.

 

End.

[Utilit99 4,099]

20 years ago I had to go through a locked door, an intercom interview and physical scrutiny to go through a locked tight inter city ghetto school. And I was expected. 

No kids were getting killed by nut bags in the school. But those kids grew up in one of the most violent cities in the US and they carried on the tradition to this day. So there's that.  

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Okay, this conversation is getting dumber and dumber.

Stop posting then. 

[Masshole 642]

2 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

I get it. It's a devastating event for people related to the kids. And if anyone that posts on this site is a relative to one of the kids who were killed, the comments here would be changed drastically out of respect.

But let's be honest. It's totally hypocritical to "mourn" this tragedy but not over other's that are happening daily and completely ignored. 

No one (or very few) post about the 1000's of people shot and or killed in democrat run cities in this country. But then all of a sudden it's time to weep about something like this. 

I worry less about the "disturbed" and more about the sane people who wish death on others. Many more people are killed by the sane. 

It's kind of like mass murderers. It's interesting to know their story, but they kill way less people than those who are not tagged as mass murderers

Plus, the shooter on this one is dead from what I understand. 

I am not making judgement on your point.   It may be valid.     But time and place is also valid.   Being the first one to jump on making that point after a tragedy doesn't really earn you the moral high ground. . .

[JustinCharge 2,397]

there is no way to ban guns.  you can make 3d printed guns now.  if you banned all guns tomorrow, the 3d printed gun economy would just balloon.  all you wuld be doing is make guns untraceable, because when guns are legal, they have a serial number.

[Nomad99 755]

1 minute ago, wiffleball said:

Okay, this conversation is getting dumber and dumber thanks to you. And distracts from the overall subject. My distinction is between concealed carry and open carry. Texas more or less recently allows open carry. Which was supposed to just radically change the whole crime wave down there in Sam Houston's playground. But it f****** didn't.

 

End.

That you would think that by simply displaying firearms in public would prevent every instance of bad or sick people from doing this......every time? Any evidence that the open carry policy hasn't prevented other instances like this? I'm not a fan of it. I prefer to play poker with my cards face down. There is however,  no way of knowing whether open carry is effective or not. It's not like there is a Facebook page for people that post about being foiled in their attempt.

[Nomad99 755]

21 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Wiff, I am all for bringing everyone in the military home and putting them outside schools 100%

then if we need them for war we have them

 

I'm not opposed to this....I mean, they are already on the clock.

[TimHauck 2,934]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

Imagine what that $40 billion, that this country gave away to a foreign country, could have done protecting soft sites in this country. Namely schools. 

No, you cannot stop this type of POS. The country's laws won't allow you to lock this threat up until it strikes. He was loose cannon as shown by his social media accounts yet nothing is done.

 

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

how far would 40 billion go in putting gates around every elementary school in the nation?

code pad, locked during school hours, why can someone just walk on campus?

I have a feeling if this actually happened most of the GC would complain about it

[Utilit99 4,099]

18 minutes ago, Masshole said:

I am not making judgement on your point.   It may be valid.     But time and place is also valid.   Being the first one to jump on making that point after a tragedy doesn't really earn you the moral high ground. . .

I'm not searching for the moral high ground in all honesty. This shlt is heartbreaking for those involved I'm sure. I can only imagine what the parents are going through. And it's sad to see for us onlookers.

I'm just pointing out that for the past 2 years I've been posting murder stats from one single city (Chicago, I highlight simply because I have a huge family there), and not one person on this site gives a shlt. The posts almost always go ignored. Because it's old news even though every day it is new news. 

People are looking for the particular story to pretend to be deeply affected by. Remember the 5 year old kid that got shot in the head by some dude in Chicago? That didn't get much play on this site. Neither does all the other murders running rampant in this country because of shltty people.

This shlt happens every day in this country and just like our "great leaders" who pretend to care, they don't and it MOSTLY gets ignored. 

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

I'm for common sense gun control like background checks and the like but all these people saying to just ban guns!@#@ are so simple minded.  If you did that the only people who had guns would be the people who did so illegally.  Lets just say it this way, the Bloods and the Crips would still have theirs. Not to mention the black market would surge (see prohibition).

A mentally unstable 18 year old should not have a gun though.....see the Buffalo shooting and probably this one.  Not sure where the ball was dropped there but sure it up.

Mental illness, to easy of access to firearms for those mentally ill,  schools more worried about who uses what bathrooms more so than safety of the campus,  American taxpayer funds going overseas instead of putting America first, to many illegals,  to much division, to many drugs, to many fatherless homes and shitty parents.   I hate you all.

[Masshole 642]

1 minute ago, JustinCharge said:

there is no way to ban guns.  you can make 3d printed guns now.  if you banned all guns tomorrow, the 3d printed gun economy would just balloon.

That's the crux of the issue.   So easy to just scream "get rid of the guns!!!"    But in a country with 400 million guns and at least half the country that's good with guns and about a third (at least) that would die on the hill of not giving up the guns.   You gonna go to civil war to get rid of guns in the US?    You can try to buy them like Australia but a bunch of people won't sell their guns no matter what price you offer. 

What's the balance between continuing gun rights and getting them out of the hands of these psycho nut jobs that keep doing this stuff?  Both have to coexist somehow.  

Not to throw too many logs on the fire, but what's some of the things that are always common to these young shooters?    Video games and access to the world wide internet.     These kids are drenched in hyper-real video games that depict mass killings and assault type scenarios.   Your average mentally disturbed teenager can find on his phone websites/groups/whatever that will spout hate, conspiracy, violence, whatever - it's the internet, if you want to engage in it - it's out there somewhere for you just a few clicks away. 

We are engaged in a massive social experiment that we have no idea the outcome.   Never have people been so connected to information and sensory reward.     Most adults have built up some defense to this stuff before it broke like a wave in the 21st century.    The younger generation has no such natural immunities.      

[wiffleball 4,790]

8 minutes ago, Masshole said:

I am not making judgement on your point.   It may be valid.     But time and place is also valid.   Being the first one to jump on making that point after a tragedy doesn't really earn you the moral high ground. . .

Yeah, but here's the thing, many people have pointed out that fox and fiends and Marjorie Taylor green and Tucker and Lauren boberg andslex Greene and  yada yada yada, they've not figured this out. And then hope to God that 7 Days later something else has happened and nobody has to talk about gun control vis a  Vis dead kids. 

[TimHauck 2,934]

6 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I'm not searching for the moral high ground in all honesty. This shlt is heartbreaking for those involved I'm sure. I can only imagine what the parents are going through. And it's sad to see for us onlookers.

I'm just pointing out that for the past 2 years I've been posting murder stats from one single city (Chicago, I highlight simply because I have a huge family there), and not one person on this site gives a shlt. The posts almost always go ignored. Because it's old news even though every day it is new news. 

People are looking for the particular story to pretend to be deeply affected by. Remember the 5 year old kid that got shot in the head by some dude in Chicago? That didn't get much play on this site. Neither does all the other murders running rampant in this country because of shltty people.

This shlt happens every day in this country and just like our "great leaders", it MOSTLY gets ignored. 

 

How many times have you started a thread on Chicago gun deaths vs spamming the stats in unrelated threads?

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I'm for common sense gun control like background checks and the like but all these people saying to just ban guns!@#@ are so simple minded.  If you did that the only people who had guns would be the people who did so illegally.  Lets just say it this way, the Bloods and the Crips would still have theirs. Not to mention the black market would surge (see prohibition).

A mentally unstable 18 year old should not have a gun though.....see the Buffalo shooting and probably this one.  Not sure where the ball was dropped there but sure it up.

Mental illness, to easy of access to firearms for those mentally ill,  schools more worried about who uses what bathrooms more so than safety of the campus,  American taxpayer funds going overseas instead of putting America first, to many illegals,  to much division, to many drugs, to many fatherless homes and shitty parents.   I hate you all.

Honest question. Was it stated that he was determined mentally unstable prior to the shooting, or did they "determine" that because he killed kids?

I haven't really read anything about this story.

[5-Points 3,580]

4 minutes ago, Masshole said:

That's the crux of the issue.   So easy to just scream "get rid of the guns!!!"    But in a country with 400 million guns and at least half the country that's good with guns and about a third (at least) that would die on the hill of not giving up the guns.   You gonna go to civil war to get rid of guns in the US?    You can try to buy them like Australia but a bunch of people won't sell their guns no matter what price you offer. 

What's the balance between continuing gun rights and getting them out of the hands of these psycho nut jobs that keep doing this stuff?  Both have to coexist somehow.  

Not to throw too many logs on the fire, but what's some of the things that are always common to these young shooters?    Video games and access to the world wide internet.     These kids are drenched in hyper-real video games that depict mass killings and assault type scenarios.   Your average mentally disturbed teenager can find on his phone websites/groups/whatever that will spout hate, conspiracy, violence, whatever - it's the internet, if you want to engage in it - it's out there somewhere for you just a few clicks away. 

We are engaged in a massive social experiment that we have no idea the outcome.   Never have people been so connected to information and sensory reward.     Most adults have built up some defense to this stuff before it broke like a wave in the 21st century.    The younger generation has no such natural immunities.      

[MLCKAA 577]

41 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Just like hijacking’s stopped when the cockpits were locked, once the kids are in the school every door should be locked and the main entrance should be manned. People have way too easy access to the schools. There are protocols in place, where if someone is coming to the school they have to have an appointment. No one adheres to it. Parents dropping off lunches, forgotten homework and on and on. Every day. Parents showing up with no appointment, and the staff, usually the Fockin guidance counselors, tell security it’s ok, let them in.  Principal backs them up. Never mind the line of cars dropping off kids because god forbid they ride the bus. It’s a mess. Kids wandering in 2 hours late, no excuse. Parents dropping off kids at 6:30, school starts at 7:25.  Establish some Fockin order and stick to it. Puzzies. 

Not around here.  Every door on the school is locked during school hours.  And I like it that way.

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

How many times have you started a thread on Chicago gun deaths vs spamming the stats in unrelated threads?

I mostly replied to the "Meanwhile in Chicago..." thread. A lot of people here complain if you keep creating threads on the same topic. But I do bring it up in other threads when appropriate. 

This is a very relevant example of hypocrites being hypocrites.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,367]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

I have a feeling if this actually happened most of the GC would complain about it

nope we are all about putting americans first

[KSB2424 3,148]

5 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Honest question. Was it stated that he was determined mentally unstable prior to the shooting, or did they "determine" that because he killed kids?

I haven't really read anything about this story.

This story, not sure, its new as of today.  The Buffalo kid was batshit crazy, been kicked out of school, dressed up in hazmat suits and stuff. 

[TimHauck 2,934]

Just now, Utilit99 said:

I mostly replied to the "Meanwhile in Chicago..." thread. A lot of people here complain if you keep creating threads on the same topic. But I do bring it up in other threads when appropriate. 

This is a very relevant example of hypocrites being hypocrites.  

How many of the Chicago victims were in elementary school?

[Big Guy 1,414]

Hispanic Tranny most likely on drugs

or can't we mention stuff like that too?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

4 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Not around here.  Every door on the school is locked during school hours.  And I like it that way.

Well, they are supposed to be locked around here. They start the day locked. They don’t end up that way. “It’s such a nice day, let’s eat outside “. Boom, door gets blocked open. But the main entrance is the problem. Like I said, parents in and out all day. I saw one parent bring McDonald’s in to school for the kid. Think she had an appointment for that? Another one brought her kids musical instrument in every day so precious didn’t have to carry it on the bus. Smelly sneakers dropped off, not even in a bag. Just handed them to the front desk, who has to now bring them to the office and they tell the kid to come get them. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

This story, not sure, its new as of today.  The Buffalo kid was batshit crazy, been kicked out of school, dressed up in hazmat suits and stuff. 

Yeah. I just don't want to throw "mentally ill" around instead of just saying the dude was a violent assh0le. To equate the two in a way would be right, but in reality, it's not always they are deprived of intelligence. I think the medical community calls mentally ill people those with an IQ of below 60 or whatever it is. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

32 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

That you would think that by simply displaying firearms in public would prevent every instance of bad or sick people from doing this......every time? Any evidence that the open carry policy hasn't prevented other instances like this? I'm not a fan of it. I prefer to play poker with my cards face down. There is however,  no way of knowing whether open carry is effective or not. It's not like there is a Facebook page for people that post about being foiled in their attempt.

Did I say every instance? No. I did not. Do I need to go out and Google the number of f****** retards who argued for open carry because it would have such a massive impact on mass shootings and crime in general? No, I do not. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

How many of the Chicago victims were in elementary school?

It's random. Kids get shot all the focking time there. Does it matter? 

Do you ever value your kid more than you value your wife or your parents? Or are they equal value to you in life? 

[KSB2424 3,148]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

How many of the Chicago victims were in elementary school?

I'm not a huge fan of Utlilit99 character as he is a one trick pony most times, sorry but its true.  However it is fair to mention that as horrible as these crazy school or business mass shootings are, they are only a small fraction of overall murder, especially compared to inner city murder in the country.  I realize the optics of a mass shooting is greater than the daily killing of young men every day but I do think its appropriate to step back and have general perspective of statistics and well, math over feelings.  It's as if we don't care about some lives and do more so than others.  It's a fair point.