Black History Month

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Your response was insipid because you wrote “I stopped at 3 paragraphs.” Of course it was anecdotal because that’s the only part you read. You didn’t bother to read any of the statistical evidence offered because you wanted to attack me as a supposed hypocrite for relying on anecdotes. Insipid. 

Hopefully we’re done now? You’ve demonstrated that your posts aren’t really worthy of further response. 

@The Real timschochet  Care to detail the specific "statistical evidence" you claim exists in the link? 

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1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

Wow, that's quite an admission.

I thought you'd be happier with your own as I am. I can be nice to you online, where it's OK to discuss things civilly, and agree to disagree, but I don't -like- want you to have any influence voting in my school district or city council or congressional election.  I mean, I don't mind reading about blue state insanity in the newspaper, because that's how blue state people want to live, and that's their prerogative, but I don't want to get any blue onto myself or my kids.

We're dedicated to hard work, decent moral values, equality and meritocracy rather than equity, In our eyes, people of your persuasion have overrun and corrupted all the institutions, so we are trying hard to inoculate and insulate our selves and our children against people with your political views. Doing so means build parallel institutions we control as a rear guard action. We're tired of getting canceled and bullied and try to prevent your kind from screwing us over and to keep you out of our lives and our children's lives as much as possible.

So -and this will come off as mean- but in our personal lives, we don't want anything to do with you. I can do my job anywhere which means finding a ruby red community in a ruby red state and never having to go to California, and not missing it. That the feeling is not he same and that  you would want to live with us.... blows my mind. The feeling is not mutual, not meaning you personally, you are probably a nice guy and responsible neighbor, but I would not ever, ever, ever want to live in a blue community. Visiting is in the cards as that's where the good museums and entertainment centers are. But I like traditional social, cultural, and moral values, I like police, and I don't want my kids to have to be exposed to anything more than the slightest dashes of blue until they are adults.

I think you really misunderstand my liberalism. And those of others who think like me. And that makes me very sad. 
 

In any event I am surrounded by MANY very staunch conservatives who seem to enjoy living in California. 
 

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9 minutes ago, Strike said:

@The Real timschochet  Care to detail the specific "statistical evidence" you claim exists in the link? 

No I don’t care to do it. It’s there; there was a link to a study which led to more studies and a lot of empirical data. But what’s the point? You’ll find a way to disregard it. You don’t believe that white privilege exists because you don’t want to believe that it exists. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

No I don’t care to do it. It’s there; there was a link to a study which led to more studies and a lot of empirical data. But what’s the point? You’ll find a way to disregard it. You don’t believe that white privilege exists because you don’t want to believe that it exists. 

ROFLMAO.  

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1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

 

We're dedicated to hard work, decent moral values, equality and meritocracy rather than equity. .

This seems to be the central theme of your post and it’s based on a wrong assumption. I don’t believe in equity of results. Most liberals don’t. Radical leftists do, and I am not a radical leftist. 
 

Just like you, liberals want meritocracy and equal opportunity to succeed. But where we differ is that we don’t believe that we’re currently living in a fully meritocratic society. We liberals think there is still racism and other forms of injustice which prevent an equality of opportunity. But we want to fix the system, not do away with it. I am a capitalist. 
 

And yes I and most liberals believe in hard work and decent moral values as well. And your implication that we do not is frankly a little offensive and ignorant. We may differ on a very few moral issues (like abortion or transgender for instance) but not on the fundamental stuff. Just like you we want to live in a society safe from violent crime, murder and rape and abduction and all the rest, safe for our children. 

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For real though, how much of a life loser do you have to be to write stories for Everyday Feminism and describe yourself as an award winning public high school teacher.  

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5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

To answer your question: they do not have it worse starting out. But the white kid has an easier time getting out of that situation. For the black kid to advance economically at the same level as the white kid, the black kid has to work much harder. Yes I absolutely believe that. Racial perceptions play a huge factor in our society, and for black people it’s the dominant factor. 

But why - what are the specific roadblocks that exist after that point not because of poverty, but because of skin color? 

 

To me it seems that most examples people throw out there with respect to systemic issues have to do with poverty, not race.  We all agree that blacks are in poverty at a much higher %, so I think it should be reasonable to expect systemic issues to present as racist for those reasons.   A popular example that is thrown around is worse prison sentencing for similar crimes.   To me there is a world of difference if we say that stat is a reflection of a judge using skin color as a basis for their decision and saying it's likely to be worse because statistically they are poorer, hence worse representation/lawyers, things like that.   In 2023, I think it's waaaaaay more likely that it's reason #2.  

  

Like I said my overall point is just that we need to stop with generalizations and listen to each other's experiences and obstacles.  You can't tell me my son is more privileged than Jaden Smith because he's white.   It will also be hard to convince me that a poor white kid with crap parents is going to have a significantly different odds of getting out of that situation than a poor black kid with crap parents.   I say we need to largely forget about race and focus way more on poverty - that is a huge mistake I think the left makes, and it alienates a lot of people who might think similar to how I do.  

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3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s the honest truth Voltaire: based on my travels if I ever moved it would be to a red state. You know why? Because they have nicer people. 
 

It’s absolutely true. While I profoundly disagree with the politics of conservatism, most conservatives that I know in real life are decent, salt of the earth types, while most of the liberals I know are, well, jerks. And sure this is anecdotal but I’ve seen it again and again. So I’d much rather be with people I like personally than those I agree with politically. 

That's a pretty big admission.  I spent a LOT of time on business in SoCal in the past 25+ years, and my experience vs. the Phoenix area was no comparison -- people out there were less considerate and more self-absorbed (perhaps those are branches of the same limb) than here in AZ.

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

This seems to be the central theme of your post and it’s based on a wrong assumption. I don’t believe in equity of results. Most liberals don’t. Radical leftists do, and I am not a radical leftist. 
 

Just like you, liberals want meritocracy and equal opportunity to succeed. But where we differ is that we don’t believe that we’re currently living in a fully meritocratic society. We liberals think there is still racism and other forms of injustice which prevent an equality of opportunity. But we want to fix the system, not do away with it. I am a capitalist. 
 

And yes I and most liberals believe in hard work and decent moral values as well. And your implication that we do not is frankly a little offensive and ignorant. We may differ on a very few moral issues (like abortion or transgender for instance) but not on the fundamental stuff. Just like you we want to live in a society safe from violent crime, murder and rape and abduction and all the rest, safe for our children. 

I appreciate the outreach.

If the country isn't "fully meritocratic," the right has two solution to work towards that without making things worse, and the left opposes both. One would be income based affirmative action to replace race based affirmative action, and the other being school vouchers to get parents and kids to be able to choose the school their kids attend. The left is stuck in 1965 and has been trying and failing at implementing the same policy proposals in communities they control for 60 years with no results.

'Colorblindness,' 'equal opportunity', and 'race neutrality' are the high ground in race relations IMO and the left abandoned the hill in favor of 'anti-racism,' which is racism targeted at non-minorities. The real race hustlers are on the left and they are at the heart of the left-wing movement.. What racists do exist on the right are marginalized with no influence. And even then, the rhetoric used by these ostracized white nationalists is seldom worse than the rhetoric used and accepted by black nationalist mainstream leftwing figures.

As for cultural values, the right would argue for things like: staying in school, learning a trade or talent, working hard, don't have kids before you're married, close nuclear families, don't commit crime and the left.... doesn't. They're all about degenerate lifestyles, blaming society, soft on crime, making excuses, and rewarding bad behavior.

I don't see how the left can promote racial intolerance, sexual perversion, not punish criminals, subversive education, whatever else, and not expect us to recoil in horror.

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2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Tim thinks white privilege is so big it's invisible whereas the real reason it's invisible is that it doesn't exist.

I appreciate the outreach.

If the country isn't "fully meritocratic," the right has two solution to work towards that without making things worse, and the left opposes both. One would be income based affirmative action to replace race based affirmative action, and the other being school vouchers to get parents and kids to be able to choose the school their kids attend. The left is stuck in 1965 and has been trying and failing at implementing the same policy proposals in communities they control for 60 years with no results.

'Colorblindness,' 'equal opportunity', and 'race neutrality' are the high ground in race relations IMO and the left abandoned the hill in favor of 'anti-racism,' which is racism targeted at non-minorities. The real race hustlers are on the left and they are at the heart of the left-wing movement.. What racists do exist on the right are marginalized with no influence. And even then, the rhetoric used by these ostracized white nationalists is seldom worse than the rhetoric used and accepted by black nationalist mainstream leftwing figures.

As for cultural values, the right would argue for things like: staying in school, learning a trade or talent, working hard, don't have kids before you're married, close nuclear families, don't commit crime and the left.... doesn't. They're all about degenerate lifestyles, blaming society, soft on crime, making excuses, and rewarding bad behavior.

I don't see how the left can promote racial intolerance, sexual perversion, not punish criminals, subversive education, whatever else, and not expect us to recoil in horror.

I regard myself as a liberal but don’t believe in any of the items you state in your last paragraph. Or at least, your definition of the terms you list is not mine. 

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2 hours ago, peenie said:

For real though, if it happened IN SCHOOL as you claim, those boys would be facing expulsion or at least suspension. They were threatening her with violence. I'd be meeting with all of their parents and the police. 

Done and done. Turns out, my girl wasn’t the only one. They targeted 4-5 other girls and some even over text. Stupid, stupid kids.  It was revealed later that one of the boys had Snapchat messages about bringing a gun to school that were screenshotted and saved. Those were shared with the police and then they were involved. 
It was an unfortunate series of incidents, but the school acted appropriately and quickly. I wonder if the same would have happened in a public school. 
It’s only been two weeks, but what a change removing a couple kids can make. The same can be said in reverse… what a change adding a couple of the wrong kids can make. 

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34 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I regard myself as a liberal but don’t believe in any of the items you state in your last paragraph. Or at least, your definition of the terms you list is not mine. 

Well that's the perception. It's hard to figure out where the leftoid freaks end and where the mainstream liberals begin.

Big City politics is a war between these groups and if you follow the money, it all goes to the mainstream liberals. When it comes to actually governing, the leftoid freaks always get everything they want. The mainstream liberals just get there slower, because they know better, but invariably cave because they are spineless cowards.

They're pretty much the same. 

Here's an enlightening three minute video presentation, dramatizing the willing folding that regularly occurs during interactions when a mainstream liberal encounters a leftoid freak.

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Well that's the perception. It's hard to figure out where the leftoid freaks end and where the mainstream liberals begin.

Big City politics is a war between these groups and if you follow the money, it all goes to the mainstream liberals. When it comes to actually governing, the leftoid freaks always get everything they want. The mainstream liberals just get there slower, because they know better, but invariably cave because they are spineless cowards.

They're pretty much the same. 

Here's an enlightening three minute video presentation, dramatizing the willing folding that regularly occurs during interactions when a mainstream liberal encounters a leftoid freak.

 

 

In reality, the leftoid freak is Kimmel. 

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Barack Hussein Obama II
 

born August 4, 1961) is an American retired politician who served as the 44th president of the United States from 2009 to 2017. Obama, a member of the Democratic Party, was the first African-American president of the United States.[2] He previously served as a U.S. senator from Illinois from 2005 to 2008 and as an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004, and previously worked as a civil rights lawyer before entering politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

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Those high school students are still living:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRtxKLEc/

Little Rock…. 
The only thing anyone ever recalls about that place is friend in that clip.

 And maybe a song.

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What a waste of a month. 

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4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

What a waste of a month. 

That’s racist

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34 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

What a waste of a month. 

The month is still here, it didn’t go anywhere. Feel free to not click on this thread. 

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46 minutes ago, peenie said:

The month is still here, it didn’t go anywhere. Feel free to not click on this thread. 

I celebrate making a shlt load of cash. Every month. 

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On this day in history, Feb. 18, 1931, American author Toni Morrison is born in Ohio

Morrison received multiple awards, including the Nobel Prize and Pulitzer Prize for her novels

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/this-day-history-feb-18-1931-american-author-toni-morrison-born-ohio

 

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15 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

this day in history, Feb. 18, 1931, American author Toni Morrison is born in Ohio

. Very cool 

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February is the shortest Month 

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Ida B. Wells
 

Ida B. Wells (full name: Ida Bell Wells-Barnett) (July 16, 1862 – March 25, 1931) was an American investigative journalist, educator, and early leader in the civil rights movement. She was one of the founders of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP).^[1] Wells dedicated her lifetime to combating prejudice and violence, the fight for African-American equality, especially that of women, and became arguably the most famous Black woman in the United States of her time.^[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_B._Wells

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On 2/18/2023 at 10:52 AM, Baker Boy said:

On this day in history, Feb. 18, 1931, American author Toni Morrison is born in Ohio

Morrison received multiple awards, including the Nobel Prize and Pulitzer Prize for her novels

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/this-day-history-feb-18-1931-american-author-toni-morrison-born-ohio

 

Her book, The Bluest Eye, is banned in many red-state schools. Shame on them.

https://time.com/6143127/toni-morrison-book-bans/

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“[Following] any advance by Black people, you will see some stirrings around banning a Toni Morrison book,” says Williams. “After the Black Lives Matter movement, after the 1619 Project, after the election of Barack Obama, any major moment in history where you see progress of people of color—Black people in particular—backlash will follow… Morrison books tend to be targeted because she is unrelenting in her belief that the very particular experiences of Black people are incredibly universal. Blackness is the center of the universe for her and for her readers, or for her imagined reader. And that is inappropriate or inadequate or unreasonable or unimaginable for some people.”

Morrison herself often spoke out against censorship, both of her work and more broadly. At a 1982 event, “An Evening of Forbidden Books,” she argued that such behavior constitutes “political control of a certain art form,” and that “there is some hysteria associated with the idea of reading that is all out of proportion to what is in fact happening when one reads.” And in the 2019 documentary The Pieces I Am, she talks about having a framed letter from the Texas prison system saying her book Paradise was removed because it could incite a riot, and thinking, “How powerful is that! I could tear up the whole place.”

 

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https://encyclopediaofarkansas.net/entries/negro-boys-industrial-school-fire-of-1959-5500/

 

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23 minutes ago, dogcows said:

https://encyclopediaofarkansas.net/entries/negro-boys-industrial-school-fire-of-1959-5500/

 

How disappointed will you be when you find out that maybe only one person here will disagree that actual historic FACTS should be taught?  It seems like a perfect topic for an AA AP class in Florida, and I’m sure the governor would agree.

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Thanks for doing this Baker Boy...good stuff. I’ll add my own to the collection

Oliver Hill, attorney 1907-2007

Born Oliver White in Richmond, Virginia, on May 1, 1907, Oliver Hill’s legal career helped end the doctrine of “separate but equal.” Hill’s father left the family when he was still a baby, and when his mother remarried, he took on her new last name. While attending Howard University, his uncle, a lawyer, died, and his aunt gave Hill all of his old legal books. After reading them, Hill decided to become a lawyer and win back the rights that had been denied to so many. He graduated from Howard Law School in 1933, second in his class only to Thurgood Marshall. 

Hill’s early legal career did not foreshadow his later successes. At one point, he even gave up his legal practice and worked as a waiter. He returned to Richmond, however, and has been practicing law there since 1939. The following year, he won his first civil rights case when the city of Norfolk, Virginia, was ordered to pay black teachers the same as white teachers. In 1951, Hill heard that the students at R.R. Moton High School in Farmville, Virginia, had walked out of their dilapidated school. The subsequent lawsuit, Davis v. County School Board of Prince Edward County later became one of the five cases decided under Brown v. the Board of Education. During these years, Hill’s home life was under constant threat. He did not allow his son to answer the telephone because so many threats were coming in, and a cross was burned on his lawn. He persevered, however, and today Hill and his partners have filed more civil rights cases in Virginia than were filed in any other Southern state. 

Hill also broke the mold when he and several other Virginia lawyers formed the Old Dominion Bar Association in 1942, and when he successful ran for the city council of Richmond in 1948, becoming the first African American to do so since Reconstruction.

Hill was the recipient of numerous awards over the decades, including being awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom on August 11, 1999. Students at the University of Virginia also honored Hill when they founded the Oliver W. Hill Black Pre-Law Association. Hill retired from his legal practice in 1998, and today a bronze bust of him is visible at the Black History Museum and Cultural Center of Virginia. 

Hill passed away on Sunday, August 5, 2007, at the age of 100.

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Everyone supports the teaching of truthful and balanced history.  What intelligent and sane people oppose is the lies as presented in such works of racist fiction as the 1619 Project.  

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19 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Everyone supports the teaching of truthful and balanced history.  What intelligent and sane people oppose is the lies as presented in such works of racist fiction as the 1619 Project.  

100%.

Anyone saying that people don't want this are being disingenuous to advance a revisionist history agenda. 

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Hattie McDaniel

Hattie McDaniel (June 10, 1893 – October 26, 1952) was an American actress, singer-songwriter, and comedian. For her role as Mammy in Gone with the Wind(1939), she won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, becoming the first African American to win an Oscar. She has two stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, was inducted into the Black Filmmakers Hall of Fame in 1975, and in 2006 she became the first Black Oscar winner honored with a U.S. postage stamp.[3] In 2010, she was inducted into the Colorado Women's Hall of Fame.[4] In addition to acting, McDaniel recorded 16 blues sides between 1926 and 1929 and was a radio performer and television personality; she was the first Black woman to sing on radio in the United States.[5][6] Although she appeared in more than 300 films, she received on-screen credits for only 83.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattie_McDaniel

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21 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

100%.

Anyone saying that people don't want this are being disingenuous to advance a revisionist history agenda. 

Look, if you read the thread about DeSantis and the black history thread, there are people in this forum who say very bluntly they don’t want this subject taught. It’s not a fiction I or any liberal made up. They actually write it. So it’s not disingenuous to say that some don’t want it taught at all. 

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Madam C.J. Walker was the first African American woman to become a self-made millionaire after creating a line of hair products geared toward Black hair. (She created the first, Madam Walker’s Wonderful Hair Grower, in 1905.) A Netflix series based upon her life, Self Made, premiered in March 2020.

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22 hours ago, jonmx said:

Everyone supports the teaching of truthful and balanced history.  What intelligent and sane people oppose is the lies as presented in such works of racist fiction as the 1619 Project.  

I still don’t know what’s racist or false about the 1619 project because you’ve failed to provide any real examples. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I still don’t know what’s racist or false about the 1619 project because you’ve failed to provide any real examples. 

This is why everyone abuses you to the point you decided to start a thread about it. The inaccuracies have been widely documented here but you choose to ignore them because you’re disingenuous. Go away. 

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9 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

This is why everyone abuses you to the point you decided to start a thread about it. The inaccuracies have been widely documented here but you choose to ignore them because you’re disingenuous. Go away. 

The inaccuracies you’re referring to are minor; more importantly they’re not racist. 

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20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Look, if you read the thread about DeSantis and the black history thread, there are people in this forum who say very bluntly they don’t want this subject taught. It’s not a fiction I or any liberal made up. They actually write it. So it’s not disingenuous to say that some don’t want it taught at all. 

What exactly is “this” subject?  

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Just now, Fireballer said:

What exactly is “this” subject?  

An AP course about African-American studies. 

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13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

An AP course about African-American studies. 

I figured you would stand by the Andrea Mitchell angle and not address the specific nuance of the words straight out of the Governors mouth.

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Tim the kinda guy to let a black dude pound his wife to prove he isn't racist 

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3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I figured you would stand by the Andrea Mitchell angle and not address the specific nuance of the words straight out of the Governors mouth.

I was referring to people in this forum who don’t want the course taught. I know what DeSantis has argued. But the folks around here are a little less subtle.