Ohio toxic train derailment

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31 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

new york times says if you are worried about chemical spills in the water you are a right wing conspiracy theorist

 

Damn.  Never thought I'd see Ilhan Omar added to the right wing conspiracy camp. 

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52 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

Glad we’re on the same page tim

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3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Glad we’re on the same page tim

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Maybe the Biden admin needs to tell the federal workforce they can’t work from home as much as they do? 

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It’s a majority white city that voted for a trump. Democrats don’t care about those people. Also, Agenda 2030 is what they’re going for here and in a lot of other areas. Which gives them to right to forcefully move people living in “highly polluted areas” to smart cities. Places where they can oppress you even more 

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Apparently they tested some water in Hamburg NY.  And it was under the threshold for whatever.  But higher than it should be. 

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I do wonder.   Living in the world we are in, that if I threw a rock into my local river (in Michigan) if I might get the same result anyway.   I mean not like the rivers and streams can be deemed clean.   

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2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I do wonder.   Living in the world we are in, that if I threw a rock into my local river (in Michigan) if I might get the same result anyway.   I mean not like the rivers and streams can be deemed clean.   

Take note of where every sewer plant is.

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We use charcoal to filter our water.

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[The Real timschochet 6,844]

I haven’t really followed this story. But it appears to be getting bigger by the day. 

There seems to be a lot of criticism of the government for not doing enough. Much of this criticism is being made by the same people who argued, during the Covid crisis, that government was being too heavy handed. 

My position is that you can’t have it both ways. I want the government to be heavily involved in times of emergency. But those that don’t lose the ability to blame afterwards. 

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On 2/16/2023 at 5:11 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Mayor Pete is buddies with the train company CEO. 

What kind of buddies? Poker, Thunder, Butt?

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I haven’t really followed this story. But it appears to be getting bigger by the day. 

There seems to be a lot of criticism of the government for not doing enough. Much of this criticism is being made by the same people who argued, during the Covid crisis, that government was being too heavy handed. 

My position is that you can’t have it both ways. I want the government to be heavily involved in times of emergency. But those that don’t lose the ability to blame afterwards. 

Yah this is similar to Covid wtf?? 
 

yes we want the govt to clean up sh1t as rapidly as possible and provide relief to those who need it

we Don’t want them locking down cities and telling us what we are allowed to and not allowed to do. 
 

we would like them to use logic in things like saying you have to wear a useless mask into a restaurant but once you sit down you can take it off. You can go shopping at Walmart but not the local store that sees 20’customers a day 

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1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

What kind of buddies? Poker, Thunder, Butt?

The fact that Buttigieg is gay seems to bother you. 

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Before the government, before the insurance company emergency response trailers, heroic members of the class action litigation bar will have responded to the town in droves.

 

Or is that an infestation?  

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Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Yah this is similar to Covid wtf?? 
 

yes we want the govt to clean up sh1t as rapidly as possible and provide relief to those who need it

we Don’t want them locking down cities and telling us what we are allowed to and not allowed to do. 
 

we would like them to use logic in things like saying you have to wear a useless mask into a restaurant but once you sit down you can take it off. You can go shopping at Walmart but not the local store that sees 20’customers a day 

Inconsistent. The items you’re referencing during Covid were advised by the best medical experts we had. You can’t have it both ways. Either government gets involved or it doesn’t. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

The fact that Buttigieg is gay seems to bother you. 

I think the fact he was only hired BECAUSE he was gay and is completely unqualified/incapable and disinterested in doing his job should bother everyone.  

 

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1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

Before the government, before the insurance company emergency response trailers, heroic members of the class action litigation bar will have responded to the town in droves.

 

Or is that an infestation?  

This is a good point. 

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Just now, Tree of Knowledge said:

I think the fact he was only hired BECAUSE he was gay and is completely unqualified/incapable and disinterested in doing his job should bother everyone.  

 

He was hired because he did well running for President. The winner of the nomination hires a lot of the folks who ran against him. Trump did the exact same thing. All Presidents do; the tradition began with Abraham Lincoln. 
 

In any case I don’t think he’s unqualified. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

The fact that Buttigieg is gay seems to bother you. 

Not at all.  I admire the man's education and his decision to dedicate his life and his intelligence to public service.  I admire his proficiency with language.  That he is gay effects me not in the least.  That he makes his sexuality an issue invites comment.  Sometimes my comments are childish, sometimes not.  Global conclusions from a single post may be precipituous.

 

I do think he has done a poor job as transportation secretary.   

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Just now, Engorgeous George said:

Not at all.  I admire the man's education and his decision to dedicate his life and his intelligence to public service.  I admire his proficiency with language.  That he is gay effects me not in the least.  That he makes his sexuality an issue invites comment.  Sometimes my comments are childish, sometimes not.  Global conclusions from a single post may be precipituous.

 

I do think he has done a poor job as transportation secretary.   

Fair enough. 
 

He may very well have done a poor job. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

He was hired because he did well running for President. The winner of the nomination hires a lot of the folks who ran against him. Trump did the exact same thing. All Presidents do; the tradition began with Abraham Lincoln. 
 

In any case I don’t think he’s unqualified. 

Depends.  If qualification means prior experience with the industries, he is.  If it means education and a demonstrated ability to learn and respond, he is not.

 

I do note that if industry experience is required we have the quandry of the industries regulating themselves.  Also, which industry, rail, air, trucking, shipping?

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9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Inconsistent. The items you’re referencing during Covid were advised by the best medical experts we had. You can’t have it both ways. Either government gets involved or it doesn’t. 

Then we need better experts. Cause the experts were focking morons. 
 

I guess you feel that if I’m against Covid lockdowns then I should be against the fire department putting out fires 

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16 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

What kind of buddies? Poker, Thunder, Butt?

They took a picture together once 

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1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

Depends.  If qualification means prior experience with the industries, he is.  If it means education and a demonstrated ability to learn and respond, he is not.

 

I do note that if industry experience is required we have the quandry of the industries regulating themselves.  Also, which industry, rail, air, trucking, shipping?

Cabinet positions don’t usually demand that sort of experience. 
In any case Buttigieg has had the bad luck to have faced a number of crisis during the short time he has served. Some cabinet members can go through a full term without being in the news at all. Unfortunately for him, he hasn’t performed all that great in these crisis. 

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

They took a picture together once 

Indicates they were in proximity of one another at one time, not that they were buddies, unless the contents of the picture so indicate.

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Cabinet positions don’t usually demand that sort of experience. 
In any case Buttigieg has had the bad luck to have faced a number of crisis during the short time he has served. Some cabinet members can go through a full term without being in the news at all. Unfortunately for him, he hasn’t performed all that great in these crisis. 

An unfortunate confluence of events, no doubt.  

 

In my mind he has not yet begun to approach the pantheon of bad cabinet appointees.  My personal favorite for bad appointees is Earl Butz, followed by several U.S Grant appointees.

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2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Then we need better experts. Cause the experts were focking morons. 
 

I guess you feel that if I’m against Covid lockdowns then I should be against the fire department putting out fires 

Well first off I don’t agree with you about the experts. They weren’t morons at all. 
 

Second, of course not. But your attitude in general, along with those of many here, seems to be inconsistent. The underlying argument made by those who attacked the government during Covid was “we don’t need the government controlling us; we can handle this situation ourselves”. In this situation it’s “we have an emergency and the government isn’t doing enough.” I would suggest that the apparent contradiction is rooted in the philosophical debate over what exactly is the role of government, which has never been resolved in this country. 

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If I were to really indulge my juvenile nature I would have nominated Pete for Secretary of the Inposterior.

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21 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well first off I don’t agree with you about the experts. They weren’t morons at all. 
 

Second, of course not. But your attitude in general, along with those of many here, seems to be inconsistent. The underlying argument made by those who attacked the government during Covid was “we don’t need the government controlling us; we can handle this situation ourselves”. In this situation it’s “we have an emergency and the government isn’t doing enough.” I would suggest that the apparent contradiction is rooted in the philosophical debate over what exactly is the role of government, which has never been resolved in this country. 

The job of the govt is to keep the sovereignty of our nation (failed) protect our country against foreign and domestic threats (failed) and clean up disasters (failed time and time again)

it’s also the job of the govt to uphold the constitution (more fails) and realize that they work for us not the other way around.  (Rules for thee not rules for me). Every single pushing gun control has armed security. Everyone of them saying walls don’t work live in gated communities. 
 

and yes anyone who works for the government and gives Covid expertise is a moron. Saying you need to have your mask on to enter a building but when you sit down to eat Covid is gone. But if you have to use the restroom watch out for Covid. The regulations made zero sense. Other than to benefit huge corporations and pharma while killing small business and the working class 

telling people oh natural immunity does nothing get in line like you’re told and get your jab or we will take away your livelihood. That is not part of the govt. 

as per your example in this situation. I would be against the govt locking down the people in this city and I am also against the govt telling people they can’t return to their homes. That’s not their job. Be honest and don’t have an agenda with your bs. 
 

nobody said the govt shouldn’t do anything about Covid. But after the first two weeks and numbers spiking they should have lifted lockdowns and mandates across the board. While still working behind the scenes for a solution (which btw) they still haven’t done 

they should not have been locking down churches while letting blm rallies flourish. They should not be closing down restaurants on 43rd st in NY while the restaurant on 42nd is open. 
 

they should have recommended a healthy lifestyle and talked about getting fresh air and exercise. 
 

and lastly they shouldn’t be focking with the kids 

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This thread is about to be derailed

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I haven’t really followed this story. But it appears to be getting bigger by the day. 

There seems to be a lot of criticism of the government for not doing enough. Much of this criticism is being made by the same people who argued, during the Covid crisis, that government was being too heavy handed. 

My position is that you can’t have it both ways. I want the government to be heavily involved in times of emergency. But those that don’t lose the ability to blame afterwards. 

The problem with the Covid response is that it was sh*t.  While it may appear to an idiot like you that we were criticizing the government as being too heavy handed, what we were really criticizing was that the heavy handedness wasn't based on anything.  Had they been "following the science", their response would have been much less heavy handed and they wouldn't have gotten the criticism they did.   Or do you think it was wise for Andrew Cuomo to send Covid positive patients back to nursing homes?  If I criticize that am I criticizing him for being heavy handed or being a focking retard?  Even the CDC acknowledges their shortcomings during Covid:

 

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This agency reorganization comes months after CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said her agency “did not reliably meet expectations” during the COVID-19 pandemic and would be undergoing an overhaul as a result.

 

“For 75 years, CDC and public health have been preparing for COVID-19, and in our big moment, our performance did not reliably meet expectations,” Walensky said in August. “As a long-time admirer of this agency and a champion for public health, I want us all to do better, and it starts with CDC leading the way.”

 

 

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The new marching orders come after significant stumbles at the agency in response to the Covid-19 pandemic. The US had little capacity to test for infection during the early months of the pandemic, largely because the agency released a flawed test to public health laboratories. That kept the nation blind, for months, to the extent of the virus’s spread.

The agency has also been criticized throughout the pandemic for issuing public health guidance that some saw as confusing and ineffective. Many also felt it wasn’t moving fast enough to respond.

 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3828795-cdc-informs-staff-of-reorganization-after-pandemic-criticisms/

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/17/health/cdc-announces-sweeping-changes/index.html

Even your vaunted NY Times had a headline that has to sting to lemmings such as yourself:

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Walensky, Citing Botched Pandemic Response, Calls for C.D.C. Reorganization

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/17/us/politics/cdc-rochelle-walensky-covid.html

We pay a lot of focking money in taxes to the government, and a lot of that goes to agencies who for 99% of their existence don't do much except prepare for certain situations.  Our military, the CDC, etc.....So it's not too much to expect that when those situations occur that those agencies be competent. 

I don't know what FEMA's budget is but I suspect it's significant.  It's not too much to ask for them to have boots on the ground quickly in a situation like this. 

FFS I could go to a retard hospital, if they still existed, and have a more intelligent conversation than trying to converse with you.

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14 minutes ago, Strike said:

The problem with the Covid response is that it was sh*t.

Trump constantly undercut the experts, often in real-time. His complete failure on COVID was a big part of him losing in 2020. Even at the start, he refused to provide ventilators because he wanted to keep a stockpile around… for what?

Then, many states ignored federal guidance since it was unclear what it was. You had actual experts vs. people trying to appease Trump, leading to constant mixed messages.

Being a controversial reality TV Star might work for campaigning. It’s a total disaster when we need real leadership.

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Trump didn’t undercut experts. Who he did undercut were disgusting liberals that claimed stopping flights from China was racist. Saved many, many lives. 

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Erin Brockovich coming out of the woodwork.  Dewine refused aid from Biden.  Tons of videos of streams popping up..

Jd Vance caught Norfolk sending inspectors trying to get people to sign inspection agreements with hidden hold harmless agreements.

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17 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Erin Brockovich coming out of the woodwork.  Dewine refused aid from Biden.  Tons of videos of streams popping up..

Jd Vance caught Norfolk sending inspectors trying to get people to sign inspection agreements with hidden hold harmless agreements.

Dewine looks to be a big part of this. Terrible look for him and the railroad company. 

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Mike DeWine is a politician on his second political life.  He had a very strong political career in Ohio early on, jumping from post to post from 1982 to 2000.  In 2005, he was as US senator a member of the "Gang of 14" that opposed Bush43 and the republican party and blocked the republicans from confirming 10 republican appellate court judges.  The GOP in 2005 wanted to lower the confirmation requirement in the senate from 60 to 51.  DeWine, a handful of other republicans and the democrats called doing so "the nuclear option" in 2005.  There was massive backlash against DeWine among republican voters for being in the Gang of 14, and DeWine would lose the 2006 US Senate election to democrat Sherrod Brown as a result.  Sherrod Brown has held that seat ever since.

DeWine barely managed to revive his political career by winning the 2010 Ohio Attorney General election by 50k votes.  He used that as a stepping stone to Ohio Governor.

As for DeWine's senate fight to block the "nuclear option", damaging Bush43 and almost ruining his career,  it was all for nothing.  Democrats flip-flopped on that issue in 2013 and lowered the senate requirements from 60 to 51.  So DeWine is a jackass.

In 2020, the republican-led Senate used the rule change from 60 to 51 to confirm Amy Coney Barrett and cement a 6-3 republican majority in the Supreme Court, a vote of 52-48.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_14

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_DeWine

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/01/fact-check-gop-ended-senate-filibuster-supreme-court-nominees/3573369001/

"You see prior to 2013 it took 60 votes in the Senate to confirm a Supreme Court nominee, now it takes a simple majority of 51. Know why? Because Harry Reid and his fellow Democratic senators voted to change the rule to 51, it was called the 'nuclear option' and they pushed that button," the post read.

The post also noted that at the time, then-Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., — now the majority leader — spoke out against the change.

"So all you Democrats, if it wasn't for your party changing the rule in 2013 you would now have the votes to stop Trump from replacing Ginsburg," the post continued. "If you want to blame somebody for screwing you out of the chance to stop Trump from filling this seat, you can put the blame right where it belongs, your own party and the people you elected to run it."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/amy-coney-barrett-set-be-confirmed-supreme-court-monday-n1244748

WASHINGTON — The Republican-led Senate voted narrowly Monday to confirm Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court, ending an acrimonious confirmation process and handing President Donald Trump a political victory days before the election.

The vote was 52-48, with only Republicans voting “yes” and Democrats unifying in opposition. Just one Republican, Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, who faces a tough re-election race, voted “no.”

 

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tl;dr

Mike DeWine MAJORLY screwed the GOP in 2005.  He has a second political life but if he screws up the Ohio train derailment crisis in any way, I question if republicans will run to his aid.

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Did Trump loosening up train regulations play a role in causing the accident? 
 

https://apnews.com/article/wv-state-wire-north-america-donald-trump-us-news-ap-top-news-2e91c7211b4947de8837ebeda53080b9mp-us-news-ap-top-news-transportation-1936e77a11924c909880f1ef014c7ca7

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9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Did Trump loosening up train regulations play a role in causing the accident? 
 

https://apnews.com/article/wv-state-wire-north-america-donald-trump-us-news-ap-top-news-2e91c7211b4947de8837ebeda53080b9mp-us-news-ap-top-news-transportation-1936e77a11924c909880f1ef014c7ca7

doesnt matter.  happened in year 3 of bidens term.