Georgia grand jury recommends multiple indictments in Trump election probe

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/us/trump-georgia-grand-jury-indictments.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/21/georgia-grand-jury-called-for-charges-in-trump-probe.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/02/21/trump-georgia-grand-jury-foreperson/11313798002/

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3868226-georgia-grand-jury-on-trump-interference-recommended-multiple-indictments-reports/

Lock him up! Lock him up!

[wiffleball 4,790]

Orange is the new blech. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

13 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Orange is the new blech. 

This is a super weird story. The grand jury forewoman was this weirdo redneck with yellow teeth, someone I could see wielding a machine gun at the Branch Davidian complex, and she actually talked to the media.

I've never known anyone who served on a grand jury, much less someone who actually spoke to the media following a grand-jury gathering. This is unprecedented, as far as I know. Grand juries tend to be quite secretive.

And she was all animated as if she were star struck and had witnessed something historic. 

I think what she did created a problem for the prosecution. 

[League Champion 1,911]

Before y'all flake out, understand what this all means. 

NOTHING!!!! Not a damn thing will come from this, you should know that by now. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

37 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Before y'all flake out, understand what this all means. 

NOTHING!!!! Not a damn thing will come from this, you should know that by now. 

i think its definitely possible that some will flake out if trump goes to jail.  my first thought is bill clinton perjured himself and never went to jail and that was a very easy call.

[League Champion 1,911]

38 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

i think its definitely possible that some will flake out if trump goes to jail.  my first thought is bill clinton perjured himself and never went to jail and that was a very easy call.

Presidents don't go to jail, especially for nonsense. 

But keep the hope alive Biden backers. 

[paulinstl 296]

 How can Trump be indicted on Perjury when he never testified before that Grand Jury? Trump faces charges of solicitation to commit election fraud, intentional interference with the performance of election duties, interference with primaries and elections, and conspiracy to commit election fraud with regard to his phone call to Raffensperger asking him to "find" votes.

And he could face Rico charges if they indict him on two or more charges. 

.

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

The mentally unstable foreperson giggling like a child while giving a CNN interview must have Trumps lawyers salivating. You got him now. Also anyone who has served grand jury knows you can indict a ham sandwich.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

19 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

The mentally unstable foreperson giggling like a child while giving a CNN interview must have Trumps lawyers salivating. You got him now. Also anyone who has served grand jury knows you can indict a ham sandwich.

I've heard the ham sandwich thing for over 40 years, yet I have never seen it happen.  Never heard of it happening.  This may be as close to it happening as anything other than the alec Baldwin thing since they are both hams, though not sandwiches.

[supermike80 1,928]

NOW THEY GOT HIM!

[jerryskids 6,827]

I've always said that if he did anything wrong during the election cycle, this was it, not the Jan 6 "greatest threat to democracy since the Goths invaded the Roman Empire" circus.  Plus it is a legal proceeding, not a never-ending publicity stunt.

So let's do this thing and settle it once and for all. 

 

[paulinstl 296]

There is no way to see his call to Georgia's SOS as anything other than intentional interference. Whether it is deemed criminal or not is the purpose of the Grand Jury. It was a really bad idea and he was getting really bad advice from people at the time.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

I've heard the ham sandwich thing for over 40 years, yet I have never seen it happen.  Never heard of it happening.  This may be as close to it happening as anything other than the alec Baldwin thing since they are both hams, though not sandwiches.

It happens in Virginia.  It's a downward spiral.

[jerryskids 6,827]

2 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

There is no way to see his call to Georgia's SOS as anything other than intentional interference. Whether it is deemed criminal or not is the purpose of the Grand Jury. It was a really bad idea and he was getting really bad advice from people at the time.

Well, I see your argument, but Hillary's response to having an unauthorized offsite work server with confidential data was to destroy it; there isn't really much leeway to interpret that either, yet she isn't selling smokes in the joint.  Then again, she is part of the system, and the system takes care of its own.

Trump of course is NOT part of the system, which makes this interesting.  What also makes it interesting is:  does the system actually want to get rid of Trump, or does it benefit too much from keeping him in the news/relevant (see Jan 6 neverending hearings)?  And is the state of Georgia influenced enough by the federal system to accede to its wishes?  It all would make a fascinating fiction novel if it weren't actually happening.

Anyway, that's why I say let's do it and actually reach a conclusion.  I'm... not confident that that will happen however.  I think the system wants Trump around and the system usually gets what it wants.  We shall see. 

 

[RLLD 4,252]

If they find something they should act on it.  Alternatively if we can find 50 people to suggest it is a Russian disinformation plot, and have the DOJ suppress it long enough, maybe he can first get elected before they admit they were wrong....just an option. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

20 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

It happens in Virginia.  It's a downward spiral.

Well played.

[Casual Observer 597]

Not even a real grand jury.  Grand jury proceedings are secret.  Grand jury foreman don't give interviews about GJ proceedings.  Another contrived, ghey, politically-motivated stunt.

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

Still a non-story. When Trump is indicted (not his associates, but Trump himself) it will be real. Until then it isn’t. 

I think Trump should be indicted in Georgia for what he said in that phone call; I think it’s obvious he broke the law. But we’ve had a tape of that call for over two years now and he hasn’t been charged. This leads me to believe that, for all of the posturing, he won’t be. Because otherwise what are they waiting for? 
 

I hope I’m wrong. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,128]

A Grand Jury can indict a ham sandwich if that's what the prosecution wanted.  They are crafted specifically to lead the Grand Jury to the only conclusion the prosecution wants them too.

Grand Jury indictments mean nothing without a conviction.

[RLLD 4,252]

I take heart that at least some Presidents will be held accountable....I guess we should be happy that anyone in the political arena is accountable for their actions. 

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

2 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

The mentally unstable foreperson giggling like a child while giving a CNN interview must have Trumps lawyers salivating. You got him now. Also anyone who has served grand jury knows you can indict a ham sandwich.

Some day, somebody is going to explain this one to me...
 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,498]

59 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Some day, somebody is going to explain this one to me...
 

 

TDS

[lod001 1,344]

13 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/us/trump-georgia-grand-jury-indictments.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/21/georgia-grand-jury-called-for-charges-in-trump-probe.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/02/21/trump-georgia-grand-jury-foreperson/11313798002/

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3868226-georgia-grand-jury-on-trump-interference-recommended-multiple-indictments-reports/

Lock him up! Lock him up!

You got him this time.....version 5279. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

1 hour ago, Casual Observer said:

Not even a real grand jury.  Grand jury proceedings are secret.  Grand jury foreman don't give interviews about GJ proceedings.  Another contrived, ghey, politically-motivated stunt.

Did you see the interview with her?

She's a total weirdo. She gushed over Giuliani and seemed star stuck. 

I think Trump and others will be charged with something but not be convicted. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,128]

5 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Did you see the interview with her?

She's a total weirdo. She gushed over Giuliani and seemed star stuck. 

I think Trump and others will be charged with something but not be convicted. 

yeah, okay.  You've been promising that since Trump got in office. 

You and Rachel Maddow should get together and put together a "WE GOT'EEM" montage. 

[jonnyutah 293]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

It happens in Virginia.  It's a downward spiral.

Glazed right over this pun the first time. Excellent work. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, jonnyutah said:

Glazed right over this pun the first time. Excellent work. 

Thanks.  I just went over to the Tavern by myself.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

36 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

yeah, okay.  You've been promising that since Trump got in office. 

You and Rachel Maddow should get together and put together a "WE GOT'EEM" montage. 

No I haven't. I don't think I posted even once between 2016 and November 2020. 

[Drizzay 723]

4 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

The mentally unstable foreperson giggling like a child while giving a CNN interview must have Trumps lawyers salivating. You got him now. Also anyone who has served grand jury knows you can indict a ham sandwich.

She's looney toons!

 

 

[Strike 5,570]

This jury foreperson has some issues:
 

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“I told my boyfriend at one point during proceeding, during all this, I came home and I told him,” she said, “Do you know that if I was in a room with Donald Trump and Joseph Biden and they knew who I was, they would both want to speak to me.”

 

 

https://www.ajc.com/politics/fulton-grand-juror-multiple-indictments-recommended/KGAJO32SP5CJXO4EYGCONSP5OE/

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

Apparently this grand jury is only a “recommending” grand jury; in order to indict a new grand jury needs to be called. 
We’re talking months. Maybe years? No matter what side of this issue you fall on, can we all agree how completely fuked up our justice system is? 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

Per my last post, Donald Trump’s legal strategy for nearly 50 years has been to delay everything as long as possible. At this point you gotta say this has been a wise and successful strategy. He will be 10 years or more in his grave before he is ever actually in any legal trouble. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

She has yellow teefs.

[Strike 5,570]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Per my last post, Donald Trump’s legal strategy for nearly 50 years has been to delay everything as long as possible. At this point you gotta say this has been a wise and successful strategy. He will be 10 years or more in his grave before he is ever actually in any legal trouble. 

You think Trump is somehow delaying the legal proceedings in Georgia? 

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

Just now, Strike said:

You think Trump is somehow delaying the legal proceedings in Georgia? 

He already did, indirectly, by having several of the witnesses fight their summons (the legal arguments, many paid for by Trump’s PAC, all failed but managed to delay the grand jury hearings for months.) 

No doubt he will challenge the new grand jury by arguing that any indictments are null and void due to the impropriety of this forewoman of the previous grand jury, etc. And he’ll find other ways to delay. 

[RLLD 4,252]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Per my last post, Donald Trump’s legal strategy for nearly 50 years has been to delay everything as long as possible. At this point you gotta say this has been a wise and successful strategy. He will be 10 years or more in his grave before he is ever actually in any legal trouble. 

It's a proven strategy.  We need look no further than how the Hunter Biden laptop was suppressed to see how effective this tactic is.  I would presume Trump would do the same thing. 

If we start with a simple premise, that people in power ....regardless of political affiliation, are willing to be underhanded then we can be more effective in checking the power of all of these people. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,498]

Are you all so sure what side they thought was lying? 

[TBayXXXVII 2,552]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Apparently this grand jury is only a “recommending” grand jury; in order to indict a new grand jury needs to be called. 
We’re talking months. Maybe years? No matter what side of this issue you fall on, can we all agree how completely fuked up our justice system is? 

This is the objective.  Democrats are literally afraid Trump would be elected again and they're doing all they can to keep him in a negative light as long as possible.  I guarantee you that if Trump said that he is no longer going to pursue another run for the White House and leave the country, all investigations into him stop within a couple days and you'd never hear his name again.  Everyone knows there's really nothing out there on him.  Nothing going to happen.  If he loses to DeSantis in the primaries, Trump's name will fall by the wayside.

[The Real timschochet 6,832]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

This is the objective.  Democrats are literally afraid Trump would be elected again and they're doing all they can to keep him in a negative light as long as possible.  I guarantee you that if Trump said that he is no longer going to pursue another run for the White House and leave the country, all investigations into him stop within a couple days and you'd never hear his name again.  Everyone knows there's really nothing out there on him.  Nothing going to happen.  If he loses to DeSantis in the primaries, Trump's name will fall by the wayside.

In some ways I agree with your analysis, particularly with regard to January 6. 
 

But Georgia is a different story. When I listen to that tape in which Trump asks for 11,000 more votes, that really does seem criminal to me. So when you say “there’s really nothing out there on him” I’m forced to disagree. He’s the President of the United States trying to pressure the Georgia Secretary of State into creating votes for him. That’s a significant crime IMO. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,552]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

In some ways I agree with your analysis, particularly with regard to January 6. 
 

But Georgia is a different story. When I listen to that tape in which Trump asks for 11,000 more votes, that really does seem criminal to me. So when you say “there’s really nothing out there on him” I’m forced to disagree. He’s the President of the United States trying to pressure the Georgia Secretary of State into creating votes for him. That’s a significant crime IMO. 

You see that as him trying to conspire to get votes illegally, because that's what you want it to be.  I see it as him talking as an in-general statement.  You know, like when you're watching a game and say "Common guys, I need you to score a TD".